White House Smears Nobel Economist: ‘Lacks Courage’ For Ignoring ‘Cost Of Failure’ In Iraq
White House Smears Nobel Economist: ‘Lacks Courage’ For Ignoring ‘Cost Of Failure’ In Iraq
In a new book titled The Three Trillion Dollar War, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes argue that President Bush massively understated the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Combined with interest on debt, future borrowing, cost of continued military presence, and veterans health care, they estimate a potential cost of up to $5 to $7 trillion.
Unwilling to accept what Stiglitz calls a “very conservative” $3 trillion projection, the White House is smearing Stiglitz — President Clinton’s top economic adviser — saying he “lacks courage“:
“People like Joe Stiglitz lack the courage to consider the cost of doing nothing and the cost of failure. One can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto, conceding that the costs of the war on terrorism are high while questioning the premise of Stiglitz’s research.
In recent interviews, Stiglitz said Bush’s war accounting practices “are so shoddy that they would land any public firm before the Securities and Exchange Commission for engaging in deceptive practices.” “We had to use the Freedom of Information Act to uncover things that we never would have known,” he said.
The White House has a sensitive spot for assessments of the wars’ costs. In October, the CBO conservatively said the wars may cost $2 trillion over the next decade. White House Press Secretary Dana Perino retorted that the CBO’s estimate was “pure speculation” and “wildly premature.” When the Joint Economic Committee said the “hidden” costs of the wars totaled $1.5 trillion, OMB Chairman Jim Nussle derided it as “clearly partisan.”
While the White House says it is “not worried” about the price tag of war, they should be. The war costs are the “hidden cause of the current credit crunch” and housing crisis, Stiglitz’s book argues.
UPDATE: In a hearing with Stiglitz today, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) said he is “tremendously disappointed” in the White House’s attack:
I was also tremendously disappointed to read in the paper today that the White House has disparaged Prof. Stiglitz and the work he has done. It is the height of hypocrisy for an administration that has been so secretive, so unwilling to face the truth and the true costs of their policies and this war to disparage the courage and conviction of someone like Professor Stiglitz.
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Who are you going to believe??
A Nobel winner, or Dana Perino?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pmSo the stark choice facing the Chimperor after 9/11 was 1) do nothing, or) 2) throw $3 trillion at a war against a country that had not one fcking thing to do with 9/11?
Damn that coin toss! The simian picked the wrong box again, will he ever learn or will we have to euthanize this one.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pmthe white house is smearing a nobel prize winner?
how unusual.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pmAmericas Reichness loves the Iraq war, in part, because they don’t have to pay for it.
The tab is about to arrive in their mailbox via USPS First Class Priority.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pmArrogance and hubris to the extreme — the White House denounces the Nobel economist — their experts are more credible.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pmLike the Nobel prize is something you can get in a Crackerjack box.
Hmm, maybe THAT’S where the Bush&Co experts get their “degrees.”
“He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points.”
Proof, Goony_GooGoo?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWho are you going to believe??
A Nobel winner, or Dana Perino?
Comment by raynman
Geez, how pretty is the Nobel winner? That’s what counts for credibility in the neocon universe these days.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pmComment by good_golly — February 28, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
All talking points, I know. The war is free, we owe nothing to China, we have no staggering deficits, and pointing out flaws, when they exist in America, is anti-American and traitorous. Gotcha.
Fighttheterroristsovertheresowedon’tfightthemhere
February 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pmtaxcutswearyourlapelpinitspublicdresscode.
good-goofy: How dare the extreme right wing support the most incompetent group of thugs to ever occupy the oval office. /snark always on.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pmrepublican newspeak:
disagree = smear.
nice work comrade gg.
big brother is proud of you!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pmGeez, how pretty is the Nobel winner? That’s what counts for credibility in the neocon universe these days.
Comment by Bobwurst — February 28, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Do neat tricks with bubble gum count?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man. He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points. No disagreement allowed.
/snark off
Comment by good_golly
The white house might get a little more traction with this argument if they weren’t so busy hiding behind a pile of dead americans.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pmThe ignorance of this administration is beyond reproach.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm“One can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11,†said White House spokesman Tony Fratto,…”
and what connection does iraq have to 9/11?
Z-E-R-O!
talk about talking points.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pmComment by A Patriot Acting — February 28, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
proof? gg?
lol!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pmNo one could have imagined Colon Powell would have made such a fool out of himself at the UN.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pmMr. Schumer is going to spank someone again. Keep your feathers handy for the beating if you want to join in.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pmWhat a disappointment to have to continually watch Schumer condemn the things he ends up voting to protect.
If I were a Republican I would be so ashamed to be connected to this White House that disparages any sign of intelligence. How can anyone be proud of what this party has sunked down to?
A new book, TAKEOVER by Charlie Savage explains with facts the careful plotting this administration has done to take our freedoms away. Using the fear tactic which all dictators use along with media lockdown. Which bush used again this morning.
And now it come out bush has political prisoners as well with the Don Siegelman, former Governor of Alabama situation. But bush won’t repair relations with Cuba, “because Raul Castro has political prisoners.”
Bush has brought America to a new low in history.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pmgg forgets that they got rid of Lawrence Lindsey for saying the war would cost 200 billion.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man.
Comment by good_golly — February 28, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
“People like Joe Stiglitz lack the courage to consider the cost of doing nothing and the cost of failure.”
Doesn’t really sound like “disagreeing” to me. Sounds like they’re impugning the man’s character.
But if Gigi says it’s “disagreeing” far be it from me to say otherwise. Gigi is an “honorable” woman. She would never post dishonestly, would she?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pmgg forgets that they got rid of Lawrence Lindsey for saying the war would cost 200 billion.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 28, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
I don’t think Gigi forgets. I think she just ignores what is inconvenient, like most wingnuts.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man. He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points. No disagreement allowed. -gg
How is Roves book sale going? Heh.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pmOf corse, it would be nice if someone could provide PROOF the book is simply full of left wing talking points.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pmI think she just ignores what is inconvenient, like most wingnuts. -RTWL
Yes, rationalisation by omission.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm“One can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11″?
Still trying to link Iraq with 9/11 after Rudy proved the argument will no longer fly? Try: “One can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the total incompetence of our leadership since 9/11.” The administration should be thanking Stiglitz for not including the cost to the U.S. of our lost influence.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man. He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points. No disagreement allowed.
/snark off
Comment by good_golly — February 28, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Nobel laureate’s analysis = left wing talking points
Darn, BUSTED AGAIN!!!
Yes, it’s true, I fess up, we do set the bar awfully high for ourselves. If we can’t get a Nobel prize winner to underwrite our views, then we won’t foist them on the world.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pmHow is Roves book sale going? Heh.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 28, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
hmm, rove wrote a book?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pmAll one has to do is look at this administrations earlier estimates on the time frame of the conflict in Iraq. Anyone remember “6 days, 6 weeks I doubt 6 months”. And who can forget when Wolfowitz admonished the Gen. who stated we would need 250,000 troops in Iraq.
The list is a long one that shows this adminstration is poor when it comes to estimates. Not a solid foundation to stand on when attempting to cut down anothers information.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pmhmm, rove wrote a book?
Comment by joe cantwell
No, but he sold one. =)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pmGood Golly: It seems pretty clear that doing nothing would cost nothing, and cost of doing something is what Dr Stiglitz provided. Since the Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11, WMD, al Qaeda, etc, the cost of doing nothing in Iraq would still be nothing. Since the al Qaeda came into Iraq after the invasion, the cost of failure is the same cost, since Iraq is a failure.
Now if we consider Afghanistan, where we were supposed to do something, like capture or kill OBL. The cost of doing nothing would have been what? Oh, yeah, we didn’t capture him, so benefit was nothing, and the cost is????
How about the cost of not doing enough for better homeland security? We need safer borders, better intelligence and better police style work against the al Qaeda that is world wide, not just in Iraq.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pmHey Goo Goo, I didn’t see any disagreement with Stiglitz, only an ad hoc attack on his courage. That is a typical response when one has no valid means of countering criticism. In this case the administration’s public representations that the war in Iraq would be quick, painless and paid for by Iraqi oil revenues makes it pretty much impossible to Stiglitz’ premise. The fact that the Iraq expenditures have been largely “off-budget” provides only the tip of the iceberg in support of the premise that the financial tricks used to hide the cost of the war against almost everything except the terrorists could not pass SEC scrutiny. I recall before the GOP began increasing the national debt beyond all recognition that Republicans used to say the government should be run like a business. I also recall how pretty much every business GW Bush ever tried to run (without an antitrust exemption) went broke. Let’s connect the dots, shall we?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:45 pmCost of doing nothing: a dollar three eighty.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pmWho are you going to believe; some silly Nobel prize-winning professor of economics, or a genuine White House spokesman with … all the… stuff… he …has?
What do you know of courage Mr. Fratto, you paste-brained, humanity-vacuum bag of nothing?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pmFolks, you can’t expect gg to do anything but hit-and-run lying and spinning; that’s what’s in the RNC’s budget after they’ve blown millions losing the ‘06 elections.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm“wildly premature.†… well, she was right about that 2 trillion…
February 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pmnow it’s estimated to be “a potential cost of up to $5 to $7 trillion.”
This the level of discourse from the modern Republican party. If you don’t agree with them, they call you a coward, a traitor or insane. What else can they do? They certainly can’t respond to the facts.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:55 pmWhat else can they do? They certainly can’t respond to the facts.
Comment by Bullsmith — February 28, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
they can put you in jail:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2008/ 02/ 25/ 60-minutes-the-prosecution-of-don-siegelman/
February 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pmAfter the RNC laid off hundreds of trolls, GG was compelled to stick around
February 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pmand have his pay reduced to $0.10 a post. His commitment to the neocon agenda remains strong, even in face of a major 2006 loss and an impending 2008 November democratic landslide.
I know this is off the subject, but please read the report below. Do not vote for Hillary.
When you have time…read about this…..
The Clintons in the White House
http://www.cnsnews.com/ ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/ Politics/ archive/ 200704/ POL20070405b.html
Who knew?
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many friends’ of the Clintons.
1. James McDougal - Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2. Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3. Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4. Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5. C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6. Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a ‘dear friend and trusted advisor’.
7. Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8. Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9. James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a ‘Black Book’ of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10. James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11. Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Fergus was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12. Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.
13. Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14. Florence Martin - Accountant & subcontractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15. Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16. Paula Grober - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17. Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18. Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 ‘October Surprise’ was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington, DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death
19. Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20. Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21. Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22. Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23. Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24. Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25. Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26. Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as ‘The boys on the track’ case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28. Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29. Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30. Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31. Jeff Rhodes - Was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump
in April 1989.
33. James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to ‘natural causes’.
34. Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35. Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36. Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37. Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38. Sgt. Brian Hanley
39. Sgt. Tim Sabel
40. Maj or General William Robertson
41. Col. William Densberger
;
42. Col. Robert Kelly
43. Spec. Gary Rhodes
44. Steve Willis
45. Robert Williams
46. Conway LeBleu
47. Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clintons
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pmComment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
What is your point. Wanna make a list of people that have been in contact in someway with the Clinton’s that aren’t dead or doesn’t that suit whatever your purpose is
February 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pmI do not remember past presidential press spokespersons becoming so personal against those who disagree. It rarely is just a statement that someone made a mistake, failed to take into account certain factors. It is always a personal slam - you are a coward, anti-American, supporter of terrorists and so forth. No wonder why we are so divided in this nation. Listen to the surrogates go on about Clinton and Obama. Do we really see the same sort of treatment of the Republicans? I do not think so.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man. He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points. No disagreement allowed.
Comment by good_golly — February 28, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Wow, beating your head with that mallet is really starting to show signs of it working.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:11 pmGood job.
Keep it up, before long you will be talking just like Dubya……
The White House has a sensitive spot for assessments of the wars’ costs. In October, the CBO conservatively said the wars may cost $2 trillion over the next decade. White House Press Secretary Dana Perino retorted that the CBO’s estimate was “pure speculation†and “wildly premature.†When the Joint Economic Committee said the “hidden†costs of the wars totaled $1.5 trillion, OMB Chairman Jim Nussle derided it as “clearly partisan.â€
Yeah, the maladministration also said the Iraq invasion was going to cost $60B or so and be paid for by Iraqi oil (ha-ha-ha-hah=heh.
Can we just lock these completely nutzo Rethuglicans up in a secure mental health facility so they can do no more damage to themselves or others?
Cheers,
February 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pmComment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
When you have time…read about this…..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ index.php?title=Cybercast_News_Service
February 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pmComment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Why wait for the rapture? You show no brainwave activity now.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm“People like Joe Stiglitz lack the courage to consider the cost of doing nothing and the cost of failure.â€
“Are you man enough, Joe? C’mon, c’mon…. Let’s do this mano a mano…”
Cheers,
February 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pmComment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
If you are going to post this kind of “information,” you should also post the link you cut and pasted it from.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pmNow where was that article that stated that the Iraqis could ACTUALLY govern themselves once we leave? I can’t seem to find it around…
February 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pmI see Ruptured Daryll is back, but where is the list of the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis killed in the McCain/Bush occupation?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:21 pmIt would be interesting to know the actual and projected spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars INDIVIDUALLY. Bet the spending on Afghanistan is miniscule in comparison to Iraq. Frato, once again, connecting 911 to Iraq is the never-ending story of bullshit we get from this administration.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pmRapture Buddy,
Jesus and I were smoking a little weed last night, eating some shrimp scampi and sipping on some fine tequila and he confessed that he was going to call off the whole end of world bullshit.
It worked for awhile, he said, but people now look at my followers and they are disgusted by associatian with Christians more than they are afraid of some Armageddon crap.
We talked about different marketing ploys to get people back to his camp, but didn’t come up with anything good. Shit, he said, maybe it’s time to get a real job, or maybe sell Amway.
Thought you might want to know bro.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pmMURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA
lacks COURAGE to even TELL THE TRUTH to the American People.
He is NOT “rapture ready”, but HELLBOUND, like ALL the Bush TRAITORS, and will be joining their MASTER Satan.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING for ETERNITY.
Better REPENT, followers of these EVIL “people”.
Or JOIN them in the FIRE!!!
“You’re either WITH Bush and McCain OR
February 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pmYou’re with the USA and the TRUTH!”
Daryl, stick to the bible thumping you know best.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pmLet the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clintons
Comment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
They were all Raptured, Daryll.
Sorry that you missed out - you should have obeyed God instead of sinning.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pmdaryll is rapture ready?
cool!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pmDarryl,
SINGLE SEX MARRIAGES ARE BECOMING RIGHTFULLY PERMITTED ACROSS THE BOARD, AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pmjoe c ~ yeah, you missed the action yesterday when I busted his ass.
Actually, Crom, my Cimmerian god, told me.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pmdaryll is rapture ready?
cool!
Comment by joe cantwell — February 28, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Daryll is using the name Rapture Ready, but he keeps sinning by bearing false witness, storing up treasures on earth, and aiding and abetting criminals, making him far from “rapture ready.”
February 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pmI like regular Daryll’s silly talk much better. What happened? Did the original starve to death in that dumb God decreed Huckabee (remember him) was going to be president but just in case I am hosting a hunger strike with the kooks from my crazy assed church stunt
February 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pmActually, Crom, my Cimmerian god, told me.
Comment by RUCerious — February 28, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
he’s arnold’s cimmerian god too!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pmRuptured Daryll,
February 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pmDid I mention that Pastor Jennings is a scumbag Pharisee?
Poor deluded daryll,it would take up way too much space to list shrubs list of dead due to his IDIOCY!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pmRUCerious,
Aren’t you being a little tough on Pastor Jennings? He gives the best hand job in town. Only $5 bucks too.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:46 pmTP - Typo, I hope. “…massively understated the cost…” should actually read “…massively underestimated the cost…” right?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:49 pmbawahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
when the chimp and shooter get done raping your country, you stupid sheeple amerikans, you won’t even be a third world nation - you will be closer to a fourth or fifth world nation !!!
bawhahaaaaaaa
hope you choke on all that Iraqi Oil, you imperialist pig war mongers !!!
you all should be ashamed of yourselves !!! you all should hang your heads in shame !!!
a nation of war criminals and sheeple.
bawhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
February 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pmComment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
See your dead Clintonites and raise you one Pat Tillman - with executive priveledge! What - you’re folding? What a surprise.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pmDo you truly believe that it is a coincidence that each supporter/advisor for the Clinton’s who attempted to tell about their wrong deeds were killed in the early to mid 90’s.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pmRupture rudy. Nobody can be this stupid can they???Satire right?Colbert-esque?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:02 pmDo you truly believe that it is a coincidence that each supporter/advisor for the Clinton’s who attempted to tell about their wrong deeds were killed in the early to mid 90’s.
Comment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Do you truly believe that Cheney shooting in the face his buddy was a coincidence?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:05 pmOne can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11??????
And what did Iraq have to do with 9/11, NOTHING. Why do they keep bringing this up with they have admitted that they had nothing to do with it?
Oh, I forgot, to keep the propaganda out there for the lockstep, brownshirt, lemming, reichwing, subhuman, repubutard nazi’s in our country.
Buck Fush
February 28th, 2008 at 3:15 pmRupture Roddy, is it a coincidence that right after Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, together with Rockefeller, flew to Moscow, that Kruschev was sacked?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:15 pmI know its true because I read it in Gary Davis’ ‘None dare call it conspiracy’.
Not to mention the maps of Piri Riis!
er, Piri Reis…!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:16 pmDo you truly believe that it is a coincidence that each supporter/advisor for the Clinton’s who attempted to tell about their wrong deeds were killed in the early to mid 90’s.
Comment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Do you truly believe a ghost can get a woman pregnant? Of course you do. That explains why you believe everything you read at cnsnews.com
February 28th, 2008 at 3:16 pmThis time the administration has gone too far.
This aggression will not stand.
You DO NOT mess with Joesph Stiglitz.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pmJoseph, even!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pmHow dare the White House disagree with this man. He’s trying to sell a book containing Left Wing talking points. No disagreement allowed.
Comment by good_golly
The moronic troll is once again correct. Truth has a notorious liberal bias. Any book that includes research and truthful statements must be full of “left wing talking points”, because “left wing talking points” are generally provable, quantifiable truths. On the other hand, “right wing talking points” are generally lies, half truths or cherry-picked data.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pmDo you truly believe that it is a coincidence that each supporter/advisor for the Clinton’s who attempted to tell about their wrong deeds were killed in the early to mid 90’s.
Comment by Rapture Ready — February 28, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
how come you still alive?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pmAlso - Stiglitz is going to be on Democracy Now tomorrow talking about this. Just FYI.
So suck on that, William Easterly!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm$3 TRILLION dollars spent and no end in sight, we can NOT afford to “win”.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pmFolks, you can’t expect gg to do anything but hit-and-run lying and spinning; that’s what’s in the RNC’s budget after they’ve blown millions losing the ‘06 elections.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
I wonder if the idiot trolls get paid for each post they make or for each post they make and each post thereafter that refer to them? Then, do they get a bonus for, say, 20+ posts per thread?
On the assumption that they get paid per post they make and any post that refers to them, I suggest that we no longer include any reference to the trolls in our replies. Just cut their inane statements and respond to them without the troll dung going along with it. And refer to them as “it” instead of “he or she, him or her”. Maybe if we hit them in their pockets, they will go away and leave us alone!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:58 pmI like regular Daryll’s silly talk much better. What happened?
Comment by dbadass
I do believe that Daryll finally got himself banned and that’s why it is back with this new moniker.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm$3 TRILLION dollars spent and no end in sight, we can NOT afford to “winâ€.
Comment by Uncle Ho — February 28, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
We can not afford to win? So every life that has been lost because of this war means nothing? You should run for president. You sound like a front runner.
Comment by Southern Man — February 28, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Nice job of ignoring Uncle’s quotation marks, signifying the undefined, amorphous “goal” that is “winning” to Bushbots.
But really, Southern Mammal, we don’t expect anything better from you.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:58 pmWe can not afford to win? So every life that has been lost because of this war means nothing?
Comment by Southern Man — February 28, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Yes.
Every life lost in this war was lost for nothing. Every life lost in this was was absolutely pointless.
Tragic, eh?
February 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pmWhat does Tony Frottage know about courage?
February 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pmComment by Southern Man — February 28, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
the truth is radical? what color in the sky in you world?
February 28th, 2008 at 5:57 pmComment by Southern Man — February 28, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
“The White House has insulted (America’s intellect)â€.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pmComment by Southern Man — February 28, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
the truth is radical? what color in the sky in you world?
Comment by joe cantwell — February 28, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
No, Joe, i can see that. From where Southern Mammal squats, the Truth is probably Far Left. Makes sense to me.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pmNo surprises here…this is par for the course with the Bush administration. On the list of people who’ve publicly criticized them over the past seven-odd years, is there even one person whose reputation they haven’t tried to destroy?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:48 pmComment by Bluestocking — February 28, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
John McCain falls into mind, but, he has changed course since March 2007.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:53 pm” . . . Stiglitz said Bush’s war accounting practices “are so shoddy that they would land any public firm before the Securities and Exchange Commission for engaging in deceptive practices.†“We had to use the Freedom of Information Act to uncover things that we never would have known,†he said. . . .”
Unfortunately, Stiglitz forgot how good a teacher Ken Lay was.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:34 pmOne can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11
February 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pmConsidering the fact that it was an inside job, they should know how much it cost to put that ’show’ together! All that TERMITE was not cheap!
One can’t even begin to put a price tag on the cost to this nation of the attacks of 9/11
February 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pmPlus they should also tell how much is the price tag for having the E-4B plane flying over Washington prior the the missil attack on the Pentagon…
you know… that kind of false flag operation does not come cheap!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pmThey didn’t even payed compensation to the people os Diegao Garcia!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:35 pmI meant: the people of Diego Garcia. They were removed from their island home so the USA could have another military base there. They were transported below deck, in the hold, together with pigs and chikens… That is the US. The democracy promoter!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pmRegarding Nobel Laureates: McCain has said that the Union of Concerned Scientists, which includes more than 40 Nobel Laureates, “is said to be politically motivated.” Sound like a third Bush term?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:33 amSnark off, the White House wasn’t disagreeing with Stiglitz’s estimate of the costs of the war.
They were just calling him cowardly for talking about them.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pm