Poll: Majority Of Americans Support Mandates Requiring The Purchase Of Health Coverage
Poll: Majority Of Americans Support Mandates Requiring The Purchase Of Health Coverage
When Medicare was being created in 1964, Ronald Reagan said, “I think we are against forcing all citizens, regardless of need, into a compulsory government program.”
To this day, conservatives continue to resist universal programs. In his 2008 State of the Union address, President Bush once again mentioned private health savings accounts, despite the fact that they may increase the number of uninsured Americans. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) similarly touts private plans, saying he wants people to “go out and choose their insurer anywhere in America.”
A new poll from NPR, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and the Harvard School of Public Health, however, finds that most Americans reject conservatives’ approach to health care. In fact, the majority of the public supports mandates requiring Americans to purchase health insurance. NPR reports:
When asked whether they would support a broad proposal that would require everyone to get coverage, 59 percent said they would support it. Such a proposal would require employers to provide coverage or pay into a pool. The government would help low-income people get coverage, and insurance companies would be required to take anyone who applies. People who don’t get coverage through one of these channels or purchase it themselves would pay a fine.
As Jonathan Cohn of The New Republic notes, “In a system based on private insurance, a lot of people won’t obtain even affordable insurance without some sort of requirement.” This point is backed up by prominent health care experts such as Columbia’s Sherry Glied and former Clinton administration adviser on Medicare Bruce Vladeck, who have criticized the tactic of scaring Americans into thinking mandates will force them to buy unaffordable health coverage.
For a practical approach to guaranteeing an American right to affordable, quality health coverage, the Center for American Progress has more here.
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This is the second time this site has attempted to show some reasoning behind the insurance industry getting huge profits off the American public.
What in the hell are you thinking?
Health care should be free for all of us, every god damned stupid one of us. There are no compromises and the thought of it from a “progressive” site is beyond comprehension.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pmReich-wingers are never on the side of America or for Americans. Reich-wingers are, however, always on the wrong side of every issue.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pmThere isn’t a government program conservatives liked…………unless it feeds the military-industrial complex.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pmThat will be the final nail in America’s coffin.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pmFirst get rid of the “For Profit” Insurance companies, they take 35% off the top to pay their executives hugh salaries.
I already pay 500 bucks a month, which is too damn much, I am never sick, never hurt, but I pay for the “just in case I need it”.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pmWhy does the debate always use the word “coverage”? The cost of healthcare looms increasingly large in America’s noncompetitiveness. Give the insurance company paper-pushers real jobs and go single-payer! It’s not perfect but it’s better. Ask Canada or Cuba.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm#1. AGREED! There is no way that the concept of private corporation and healthcare can harmoniously coexist. Nor should they. Healthcare should be for all or for none. When profits come into the picture, there is no healthcare. There is selection of the fittest to make the fattest profits. Period.
Healthcare should be free and for all. Take all the money we pay in premiums, copays, etc., and put it into a national pot where it is administrated by the largest institution to get best costs and give the best care.
That is a win-win for all healthcare providers and anyone needing care.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pmComment by orbro — February 29, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Yeah, orbo- I’ve always wondered why GM and the rest of America’s Manufacturing sector won’t get behind single-payer… better for their workers, better for competitiveness, better for America.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pmThis plan isn’t nearly as acceptable as a universal, single payer system would be.
The first sentence — “When asked whether they would support a broad proposal that would require everyone to get coverage, 59 percent said they would support it.” — sounds like the solution to insuring the uninsured is to make them buy insurance. Wow — problem solved! Let them eat cake!
Admittedly, there are some aspects of the plan that would be a vast improvement over what we have now:
1) Government would help low-income people to get insurance. A good thing.
2) Insurers would be required to take anyone who applies. An even better thing.
I don’t think that employers should be required to provide insurance for their employees or contribute to a pool for that purpose. Employers should be taken out of the mix altogether, and health insurance should have nothing to do with one’s employment.
Profit should also be eliminated from the system. As long as somebody’s pockets are getting filled, costs will continue to skyrocket.
And finally, it’s true that just telling people they must buy insurance doesn’t mean they will do it. California tried that with auto insurance. It doesn’t work, and the insured wind up paying for the uninsured — just as it is with health insurance.
However, I suspect that this proposal (and other ones) are intended to be temporary and grease the way to a true universal single-payer system. If that’s the goal, I would give it a chance. It’s still better than the mess we have now.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pm.
And when I can not afford “MANDATORY INSURANCE” because dairy, produce and the like has doubled at the store due to the price of crude oil… when the price of living outpaces my wages how in the hell am I supposed to afford, affordable mandatory health insurance?
You know America is way off track when it becomes more important to keep the companies/corporations fat and happy and NOT the people of America.
FASCISM = CORPORATISM
Profiting from illness and death, the new American way?
#1 Comment by oldtree — February 29, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
I totally agree!
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February 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pmSingle payer government administered and financed health care is the only thing that makes sense. Take all of the money wasted on the Shrub’s war and weapons we don’t need and provide all Americans with cradle to grave health care–just as most modern industrialized countries do.
This would give true meaning to the phrase “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” whether or not you wear an American flag lapel pin.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pmYeah, orbo- I’ve always wondered why GM and the rest of America’s Manufacturing sector won’t get behind single-payer… better for their workers, better for competitiveness, better for America.
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Because GM is run by a bunch of GOP MORONS that would rather destroy the company than do the right business decision! Just look at the sh*t cares they make!
February 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pmHOW ABOUT MAKING THE DEBATE ABOUT HEALTH CARE AND NOT ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE!
Once again we allow conservatives to frame the debate. Health insurance doesn’t get people health care, in fact, it stands athwart health care holding it back in the name of the profit motive.
Did you watch SICKO? The private insurance industry is the problem, not part of any workable solution. how does it benefit people to be beholden to private insurance that can kick them off the roles?
Kaiser was part of this study, really? Wasn’t Kaiser responsible for the whole idea of HMOs in the first place.
Why would PUNISHING people who are unable to purchase insurance be a GOOD idea? Would the private insurance companies still be allowed a VETO on health procedures? Would
Why wouldn’t universal government health care, just inefficient enough to induce RICH people to maintain private insurance, not be a much better idea?
There may be some things “Free-Market” does well, I can’t think of any off the top of my head, but health care isn’t one of them. Neither is education. Neither is politics.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAnybody with two brain cells should know that the cost of prevention is vastly lower than the cost of treatment. Of course, your mileage may vary, but it is clear that a healthy citizenry is vital for our economic future - and our security situation.
As long as the Health Care industry operates as a profit center - decisions will always be made to benefit the corporations, not the public and our grandchildren will (again) be stuck with an enormous debt to pay. Ask most old (bell weather) companies what their largest expenses are and they would invariable say: health care for their retirees. This is a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. We need to address it sooner, rather than leter.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAnd when I can not afford “MANDATORY INSURANCE†because dairy, produce and the like has doubled at the store due to the price of crude oil… when the price of living outpaces my wages how in the hell am I supposed to afford, affordable mandatory health insurance?
You know America is way off track when it becomes more important to keep the companies/corporations fat and happy and NOT the people of America.
FASCISM = CORPORATISM
Profiting from illness and death, the new American way?
#1 Comment by oldtree — February 29, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
I totally agree!.
Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
That’s like saying when you can’t afford unemployment and social security insurance. It’s a non-starter. What people can’t afford is to go around without health insurance! As for the price, most of that has to do with insurance company and pharma gouging combined with overuse of emergency facilities from a lack of insurance - something a universal plan should in fact bring into line!
February 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pmStratRat, the healthcare industry is for profit industry in every industrialized country, and they do just fine with universal health care…
February 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pmComment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
I know, but I think the way to FINALLY convince the people that Single Payer is really the best option is to get business involved- Healthcare is a huge cost for all businesses- and not just insurance payments but also in lost productivity due to America’s aversion to paying for preventative medicine, administrative cost, etc.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pmNot to mention that managed care and middle men becoming rich on the backs of the ill is immoral and disgusting…
StratRat, the healthcare industry is for profit industry in every industrialized country, and they do just fine with universal health care…
Comment by republicans hate facts
Understood….I didn’t want to imply that they should not earn a ‘reasonable’ return on their investments (drug companies, also) but there does need to be a way for all Americans to have access to quality care to minimize the huge costs of delaying that treatment. Heart disease and diabetes are major reasons for not delaying the routine visits to a healthcare professional.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pmRequiring the purchase of health coverage is a boon for the insurance industry. Favoring everyone to buy health insurance is for those who love the insurance industry. How about real health care reform instead of giving the insurance industry everything they’ve ever dreamed of?
February 29th, 2008 at 2:45 pm.
#15 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
I’m speaking from experience. Currently, if I were to have health insurance, it would take my savings. I’m one of those screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t types.
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February 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pmHow about real health care reform instead of giving the insurance industry everything they’ve ever dreamed of?
Comment by Willy
Fair question. As it is, I don’t think anybody truly knows what type of deal - if any - will be struck. I don’t believe it would be a true giveaway to the insurance companies nor a true giveaway to the taxpayers and citizens. We are all living longer and the bills will need to be paid. Who is going to pay, and how much they pay are the major questions.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pmI wonder what else you folks want the government to require it’s (formerly) free people to do?
February 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pmThe only way a mandated health insurance program is acceptable is if the insurers are also mandated to provide actual health care. Insurance companies currently spend huge amounts trying to avoid providing care. There is no reason to think that will change with mandated programs that don’t also require insurers to provide care. Large deductibles, restrictions based on “pre-existing conditions” and other fraudulent strategies to avoid paying claims are not acceptable in a universal health care system.
I have no problem with a system like medicare that is partially funded with deductions similar to social security. I do have problems with simply giving a gift to the insurance industry with no requirement that they provide real coverage.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pmbelac - my understanding is that Toyoto built their latest North American plant in Canada BECAUSE OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUE.
Since the Canadian gov’t pays for it for Canadians, Toyota’s costs were lower and Canada got a bunch of new jobs. How civilized!
This whole mandating thing sounds like a minefield. It’s all fine and dandy to say that Hillary’s plan will require that everyone is covered but at what cost? When I was laid off in 1991 from a big corporation I was “offered” COBRA. I was young and healthy and COBRA would have cost me over $1,000 per month! So the corporation could say that they offered all of their ex-employees health insurance coverage but who could afford it?!
February 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pmIs TP now a DLC front? Why isn’t there a post demonstrating the popularity of not-for-profit, single-payer insurance? This is clearly a stealth pro-Clinton post, which is disturbing to say the least considering her partnership with the banking industry, insurance companies, and defense contractors.
The next time clusterbombs wipe out a village, will TP post applauding the military?
I mean, really.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm“A new poll from NPR, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and the Harvard School of Public Health, however, finds that most Americans reject conservatives’ approach to health care. In fact, the majority of the public supports mandates requiring Americans to purchase health insurance.
Surprise, surprise, How ASININE! Henry J. Kaiser founded both Kaiser Permanente and the above ‘touted’ Kaiser Family Foundation.
I love the bogus attempt at portraying Kaiser’s “non-profit” front group as some sort of ‘independent voice.’ Doesn’t exactly take Nostradamus to predict the outcome of that “poll.”
Kucinich was the only candidate who had it right…and he was shoved off the stage by MSNBC, ABC and the Texas dems. Whose side are they on I wonder?
February 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pmAnd I’m going to pay for “mandated” health insurance with what?
I already stopped driving my little ranger truck except for basic trips to a grocery store and combine all errands for anything else and bike to work.
We already are baking our own bread now and shop and buy meat only on sale.
We keep all lights off during the evening except two with flourescents and use little or no heating (Florida) and wait till the iside of the house gets to 80 before we turn on the ari.
We paid self health insurance for 15 years (self employed) and lost it because we moved (regional plan) and never got it back due to preexisting condition (diabetes).
Jobs are non existent in South Florida except for undocumented workers.
Wake up America, this part of “mandated” health insurance is a crock if you can’t afford to live/own/rent a home and you can barely pay utilities / property taxes/ dwelling insurance (much less wind) and food.
This nation is IMPLODING…….now. …….as we speak…….it’s happening…….and our government is doing what about it??
Does anyone else hate Bush as much as I do??
February 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pmMary, no kidding. I had the same thing happen. I had another job lined up because I saw the downsizing/rightsizing/fu(k employee writing on the wall, but when I was leaving and the offered e COBRA - at better than $1k a month, I almost fell out of the chair. I said to the woman, You have got to be kidding? She wasn’t amused. I didn’t care.
Don’t force me into private insurance. I am already there. And it’s an unhappy place.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pmAnd finally, it’s true that just telling people they must buy insurance doesn’t mean they will do it. California tried that with auto insurance. It doesn’t work, and the insured wind up paying for the uninsured — just as it is with health insurance.
However, I suspect that this proposal (and other ones) are intended to be temporary and grease the way to a true universal single-payer system. If that’s the goal, I would give it a chance. It’s still better than the mess we have now.
Comment by missmolly — February 29, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
I don’t know how California did it, but here in Alabama, state law mandates that you MUST have proof of auto insurance (liability, at the very least) in order to get a new car tag, and as every auto must have a VALID tag to be on the road (a temporary tag is allowed but it must be replaced with a valid tag within 30 days).
February 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pmOddly enough, no one’s insurance rates has gone down in the years since the law was passed while accident rates haven’t increased to warrant the rates staying so high.
Apparently they didn’t survey any Reichwingers for this poll because they believe it’s ok for McCain, Bush and all the other idiots in their sick party to have FREE HEALTH CARE, but not them. Two of my brothers in law and my father in law are Republicans, and they all think it’s ok for the elite electec officials to have health care and they have to pay for it. My father in law is disabled and his insurance doesn’t even cover my mothers health needs, but he still continues to vote against his own interest.
One of my Republican brothers in law is a doctor and he’s got his head up the Republicans azz too, and is against universal health care because he’s a racist azzhole who only wants to treat whites. The other idiot brother in law is also bigoted and cares only for the rich. I can’t believe I married into such a screwed up family of idiots.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pmPollsters also predicted that Obama would win California by double digits. That is just one recent example of why I don’t put too much weight in them.
Comment by good_golly
Not sure what point the moronic troll is trying to make, but it misses the point that 1) this was way before the Obama tidal wave started and 2) the poll didn’t take into account the huge number of people who voted way before the actual primary (early voting). I’m willing to bet that if the primary in California was run again, Obama would obliterate Clinton.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pmDoes anyone else hate Bush as much as I do??
Comment by civil behavior
More, much more…he is the only person that I have hated this much, war criminal, liar, thief, the destroyer of America.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pmGet the insurance companies out of the picture! We’re talking about health care, not the insurance industry. That’s one reason health care is so expensive — middlemen! Stop screwing around in imperial ventures and wars so we can fund a single payer system. Cover everyone automatically. Problem solved.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pmLet me be clear:
FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE IS IMMORAL!!!! For an allegedly “Christian” nation, we sure aren’t living up to what Jesus taught us.
What good would it do to just force everyone to buy coverage? Does that solve the problem? NO!! Preserving for-profit insurance companies does nothing to change or improve the system. Insurance companies must be come a thing of the past.
If people could afford to buy private health insurance, they would already have done so! Many people - especially those who don’t have nice white collar jobs or work in a union shop - don’t get health insurance benefits from their employers. How can people who work minimum wage jobs be expected to pay the high premiums for private health insurance.
The solution is simple: NATIONALIZE OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. This would also include the pharmaceutical industry. I would even go so far as to call for an all-out socialist system in which doctors, nurses, etc. work for the government and not for private employers. This same nationalized system would be responsible for recuiting and educating healthcare providers - providing an opportunity for middle and lower class Americans to go to medical school or nursing school and have a decent government job waiting on them upon graduation.
If the wealthy want to continue to pay for private insurance, they are welcome to pay for it. But people who have to rely on emergency rooms (or no medicine at all) would be happy to have a real solution for their family’s healthcare needs without worrying about bankrupting themselves or not having enough money to house and feed their family.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pmLet me explain the Spaniard mixed system:
- Salaried people pay taxes off their salary into the Social Security system. The Social Security in our country pays for a couple things: mainly, for universal healthcare, for you and your direct family, if you’re salaried or unemployed or retired. Secondly, for an unemployement insurance, to pay people while they find a job. This isn’t unlimited, of course. Thirdly, to pay for training for salaried people and unemployed, to help them better its skills. And fourthly, for a retirement pay for elderly or disabled people.
- Self employed people pay a far smaller tax to cover their unemployement and retirement, but are required to buy a minimum private insurance.
Of course, everyone, salaried or self employed has the freedom to buy additional health insurances.
It’s another approach, and shows how a different system is possible and let’s room for freedom and an fairer system for unemployed, uninsured and disabled people.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pmI’m willing to bet that if the primary in California was run again, Obama would obliterate Clinton.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 29, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Don’t be so sure, not everyone in california is as easily swayed by Hopium as YOU ARE!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pmI wonder what else you folks want the government to require it’s (formerly) free people to do?
Comment by VA Voter — February 29, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
How about ARREST YOU REPUBLICANS that have WORKED TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS? ROTFL!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm.
Kucinich was so right on this issue…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtUDeoRQe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOB0f3I1AXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8vds2dlfuM
… that he was dismissed by the Corporate Dems to protect their profit margins and stock porfolios.
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pmConsidering some of the new posters here on this thread I’m thinking that Hillary’s health insurance mandate is not exactly popular!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pmTell the drunk driver, driving on a revoked license, with no insurance about mandates. $12,000 damage to my car. And my insurance, which I have paid for for 30 years - and used twice - paid for it.
Mandartes are a joke.
Private health insurance is a joke - on us.
Har har har de har har.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pmI’m speaking from experience. Currently, if I were to have health insurance, it would take my savings. I’m one of those screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t types..Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
Once again FALSE ASSUMPTION. The mandated plan by Clinton would put you in a larger group (insurance term), which would automatically make your insurance cheaper.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pmI don’t know how California did it, but here in Alabama, state law mandates that you MUST have proof of auto insurance (liability, at the very least) in order to get a new car tag, and as every auto must have a VALID tag to be on the road (a temporary tag is allowed but it must be replaced with a valid tag within 30 days).
Comment by JosephW — February 29, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
California had sheer numbers working against them.
1) Too many people + too expensive insurance rates = too many violators, and no way to keep up with them all.
2) Insured driver + uninsured driver + collision = insured driver’s insurance picking up the tab (even if the insured driver wasn’t at fault), which resulted in higher premiums, which resulted in more uninsured motorists.
And this could be a problem with mandated health insurance, too. It’s basically what’s happening now.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pmTell the drunk driver, driving on a revoked license, with no insurance about mandates. $12,000 damage to my car. And my insurance, which I have paid for for 30 years - and used twice - paid for it.
Mandartes are a joke.
Private health insurance is a joke - on us.
Har har har de har har.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
If you were in a state where insurance is mandated, then that driver would be accountable and owe you for the damage. Tell me about mandates indeed, and you demonstrate why they’re necessary!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:20 pmCalifornia had sheer numbers working against them.
1) Too many people + too expensive insurance rates = too many violators, and no way to keep up with them all.
2) Insured driver + uninsured driver + collision = insured driver’s insurance picking up the tab (even if the insured driver wasn’t at fault), which resulted in higher premiums, which resulted in more uninsured motorists.
And this could be a problem with mandated health insurance, too. It’s basically what’s happening now.
Comment by missmolly — February 29, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
You’re comparing apples to oranges. If health insurance is tied to your employment, there are ways to both mandate and deduct. That’s why a mandate with an enforcement clause is a good idea. Because if you can’t/don’t force people (like your example), then it is NOT a mandate, it’s an INTENTION!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm.
#35 Comment by jpopphan — February 29, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
EXACTLY!
How much did Jesus charge and profit from His social services?
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmConsidering some of the new posters here on this thread I’m thinking that Hillary’s health insurance mandate is not exactly popular!
Comment by mary — February 29, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
They’ve been smoking Hopium for too long! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmEXACTLY!
How much did Jesus charge and profit from His social services?
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
It didn’t cost Jesus anything to deliver it! We however, live in the REAL WORLD, not a FAIRY TALE!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pmI think it’s relatively safe to say that the problem with health care in this country is, for the most part not the facilities but the access.
While the rate of care received may increase with more Americans carrying an insurance card, continuing to let the cesspool of profit-driven bureaucratic insurance companies stand — cheaper premiums or not — would still leave expensive copays and deductibles, and would still fall short of how much the rate of care would increase under a free, universal health care system.
Either implement Rep. Conyers’ bill or make accessible the exact same health plans our members of congress receive. It’s going to have to happen sooner or later, and the aging population in America will only keep reminding us.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm.
#42 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Is this before or after my savings was drained because I was mandated to have health insurance?
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm.
#48 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
You answer a question I didn’t ask and failed to answer the question I did ask. I didn’t ask how much did it cost Jesus, I asked how much he profited and charged for it.
Address the issue and stop diverting the issue.
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pmIs this before or after my savings was drained because I was mandated to have health insurance?
. Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Is this before or after your savings is drained, and the public pays for your healthcare anyway because you don’t have health insurance? You’re no different than the drunk driver that hit Ms_Joanne… Irresponsible.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pmIt’s ridiculous to compare Medicare and Social Security with mandates for health insurance through for-profit insurance companies. Medicare and Social Security are mandated programs, funded through tax dollars and administered by the government. Mandated “universal health care,” as either candidate is envisoning is only a boon to the insurance industry. I completely support the idea of single-payor health insurance, but believe me, it’s not “free.” It WILL be paid for with taxes. But so be it! The happiest country in the world? Denmark. Pretty much security from cradle to grave. Taxes are high. They also have a 99% literacy rate. Last time I looked, Denmark wasn’t some kind of dangerous “communist” country…or even socialist except for health care and education. I don’t mind high taxes…I DO mind ANY tax I pay used to enrich corporations, especially via war.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pmYou answer a question I didn’t ask and failed to answer the question I did ask. I didn’t ask how much did it cost Jesus, I asked how much he profited and charged for it.
Address the issue and stop diverting the issue.
. Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
ROTFL! Why do you CARE what happened in a FAIRY TALE anyway? We live in the REAL WORLD - TARD! GROW UP!
As for how Jesus profited from it? Well if you’re cynical, you could say he BOUGHT their adoration by giving them gifts…
February 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm.
52 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
Incorrect…
I’m not breaking any laws by not having healtyh insurance…
STRAWMAN!
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pmInsurance IS mandated.
I was subpoenaed to go to court against him which I most definitely will do (HEAR THAT MEIRS AND BOLTON??)
Assuming this guy even has a job (since he was drunk at 5:00 pm on a work day) tell me the likelihood that my insurance company will recoup their losses let alone my deductible? So, off to jail he goes (which would make me happy - one less drunk driver on the road!) and then what?
I will preface the following by saying that GEICO handled the claim quite well. Couple of bumps but thankfully I choose a good shop who was really looking out for fixing my car.
Mandated auto insurance was a boon to the auto industry. My insurance hasn’t gone down. I know Allstate was involved in some very shady things regarding payments. And I don’t want private insurers involved in healthcare.
Profits and sickness do not go together. Forcing people to give to those profits does nothing. I want mandates that they are going to actually care for people!
Screw private healthcare! I have no pity on the companies or the workers. The companies screwed themselves. I hope they all go out of business.
Think I am being a b!tch? Ask the woman who took her $20,000 bonus for canceling 300 policies one year. Oh wait, she canceled 301. policies.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pmIt’s ridiculous to compare Medicare and Social Security with mandates for health insurance through for-profit insurance companies. Medicare and Social Security are mandated programs, funded through tax dollars and administered by the government. Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Not at all. Why do mandates have to be outside the scope of medicare? Mandating that people have some form of either purchased medicare or purchased 3rd party insurance is perfectly reasonable.
Mandated “universal health care,†as either candidate is envisoning is only a boon to the insurance industry. I completely support the idea of single-payor health insurance, but believe me, it’s not “free.†It WILL be paid for with taxes. But so be it! The happiest country in the world? Denmark. Pretty much security from cradle to grave. Taxes are high. They also have a 99% literacy rate. Last time I looked, Denmark wasn’t some kind of dangerous “communist†country…or even socialist except for health care and education. I don’t mind high taxes…I DO mind ANY tax I pay used to enrich corporations, especially via war.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Once again, that’s an its depends, and your answer seems a little uninformed. Sad.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pmIncorrect…
I’m not breaking any laws by not having healtyh insurance…
STRAWMAN!
. Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
You ARE incorrect. The guy without car insurance wasn’t breaking the law before car insurance was mandatory, but it was irresponsible then, as it is now. Not a strawman, a REALITY!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pmScrew private healthcare! I have no pity on the companies or the workers. The companies screwed themselves. I hope they all go out of business.
Think I am being a b!tch? Ask the woman who took her $20,000 bonus for canceling 300 policies one year. Oh wait, she canceled 301. policies.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Private health care? Where have you been? Hillary’s plan includes both a public medicare version or private - your choice! How long have you been smoking that Hopium?
February 29th, 2008 at 3:34 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Agreed!
Health premiums are a waste of time. It’s not security, it’s just a private company’s cash flow. They hate it when you try to get out more than what you have to put in. Eliminate insurance companies for a more healthy, lively population. The funding model can be conveniently deducted, additionally, in the form of taxes from our paycheck.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm.
#54 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
I’m a tard because I replied to someone else’s post about the hypocrisy of this supposed “CHRISTIAN NATION” we live in?
I’m a tard because I don’t agree with you?
I know you hate facts, but…
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmAnd Ms_Joanne, Hillary’s law proposal states:
Insurance companies won’t be able to deny you coverage or drop you because their computer model says you’re not worth it. They will have to offer and renew coverage to anyone who applies and pays their premium.
Sorry, but you really should read her proposal before you post.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmrhf - please don’t call Max-1 a “TARD”.
Sometimes you come on here and start yelling at everyone and yet your posting name implies that you’re not a republican. I don’t get it.
Back in the early 90’s when I was laid off and could not afford the $1,000 per month COBRA I had no choice but to go without health insurance for about a year and a half. I just didn’t go to the doctor! I didn’t cost my fellow taxpayers one penny.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm.
#58 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Once again, your refusal to recognise FACTS…
READ POST #56…
LOL…
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pmI’m a tard because I replied to someone else’s post about the hypocrisy of this supposed “CHRISTIAN NATION†we live in?
I’m a tard because I don’t agree with you?
I know you hate facts, but…
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
No you’re a tard because you believe that people should work without a profit motive. You confuse abuse/gouging with profit. I’m very fine with a government insurance (what Clinton proposed) and private ones. You get a choice, fine.
You’re a TARD because you think you have a right to no insurance, and that everyone else should pick up the bill, even if that insurance is made to be affordable. Yeah, I know, the current insurance isn’t affordable to you, but that’s NOT what this thread, and the current proposals are limited to. Catch up the program! And stop smoking the Hopium!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pmfacts, I completely disagree with you. impeah is 100% correct.
And not just Denmark. I travel extensively both within the US and overseas. I always ask people in other countries about their healthcare. We are sadly behind every other industrialized nation.
We need single payer, government administrated health care. No privatization of the health of the people in this country.
Let Blackwater kill if you want privatization (which I know you don’t, btw). Don’t let privatization kill US - which it is.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pmOnce again, your refusal to recognise FACTS…
READ POST #56…
LOL…
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Already read it, and already addressed it, see Clinton’s proposal, already dealt with - LOL! You’re not very bright are you! Perhaps you should stop smoking the hopium, and GO READ THE PROPOSAL? I’ll even HELP YOU OUT!
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/
February 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pmMs_Joanne, the Canadian system and several other systems use private insurance companies. Where have you traveled, and were you aware of this? What’s different is those other countries have mandates and control measures much like Clinton’s, something our unregulated industry does not have!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pmFacts, they use private health insurers as add ons to the government.
Canada
England
Belgium
All are VERY happy with their systems.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pmComment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Agreed. I have never liked the money gamble with health care. So much can go wrong with the human body, and most Americans cannot have the cash on hand in advance to cover the costs of every incident. Even with most forms of insurance.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pmAnd, BTW, I am not referring to Clinton or Obama proposals in specific. I am saying I do not want private companies involved in healthcare. And I don’t care who proposes it.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pmrhf - please don’t call Max-1 a “TARDâ€. Comment by mary — February 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
Well he should stop being one…
Sometimes you come on here and start yelling at everyone and yet your posting name implies that you’re not a republican. I don’t get it. Comment by mary — February 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
I yell at people who are being stupid, he’s being stupid on this issue.
Back in the early 90’s when I was laid off and could not afford the $1,000 per month COBRA I had no choice but to go without health insurance for about a year and a half. I just didn’t go to the doctor! I didn’t cost my fellow taxpayers one penny.
Comment by mary — February 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
And as I pointed out, Clinton’s healthcare plan covers everyone, and would have covered you. Mandates are for working people, unemployed are separately covered.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pmAnd, BTW, I am not referring to Clinton or Obama proposals in specific. I am saying I do not want private companies involved in healthcare. And I don’t care who proposes it.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Clinton is the only one with mandates, so if you’re complaining about mandates, you’re complaining about her program. As I said, please read the proposal.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pmI am COMPLAINING about private healthcare.
Jesus Christ on a crutch.
I don’t want private companies involved. And I don’t want mandates.
And I am done.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm.
#65 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Look, you’re doing a great job with the adhominim attacks against me.
According to you, I’m not only a tard who lives off of other people but now smoke Hopium?
Look dude/ette, you “think” you know me, but you do not. You can call me names, attack me for what you think I am or not, accuse me of things I don’t do… etc.
But in reality, you’re discrediting your character.
ADVICE:
STOP WHILE YOU’RE AHEAD!
You’re making Frank M. look charming and warm.
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pmPoll: Majority Of Americans Support Mandates Requiring The Purchase Of Health Coverage
February 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pmThis is the only area in which I support Hillary. Still for Obama, but he would have a perfect 10 if he too adopted this mandate.
Facts, they use private health insurers as add ons to the government.
Canada
England
Belgium
All are VERY happy with their systems.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
65% of canadians have private health insurance, and the actual health delivery system is basically all private enterprise. So obviously delivery of health insurance from a private company isn’t necessarily as bad as you stated previously?
February 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pmLook, you’re doing a great job with the adhominim attacks against me. Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Actually I attacked your ill informed opinion, and irresponsible attitude about health insurance. I know you can’t afford it now, you’ve stated that, but we’re talking about proposals to fix that, not the current situation. Catch up!
According to you, I’m not only a tard who lives off of other people but now smoke Hopium? Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Actually you don’t live off of other people, but if you have a serious medical condition, it will be the rest of us who’s SAVINGS pay for YOUR ACCIDENT! That’s why health insurance is so important, both as an affordable and mandated entity.
Look dude/ette, you “think†you know me, but you do not. You can call me names, attack me for what you think I am or not, accuse me of things I don’t do… etc. Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Why would I think I KNOW you, I only know you sound like yet another Hopium addict.
But in reality, you’re discrediting your character.
ADVICE:
STOP WHILE YOU’RE AHEAD!
You’re making Frank M. look charming and warm. .
Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Whatever. I pointed out your irresponsible attitude, you don’t like it, your problem, not mine.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pmIf health coverage is not mandatory, there will be some people who do not purchase it and then subsequently get sick.
Who will pay for their care ? The folks who have already purchased their own health coverage. In short, an open free market will guarantee that a certain percentage will sponge off others. The only way to make it fair is to see that everyone gets it.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pmThis is the only area in which I support Hillary. Still for Obama, but he would have a perfect 10 if he too adopted this mandate.
Comment by had enough — February 29, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Obama is inexperienced and naive. If he’s the nominee, I’ll vote for him. But all of the Hopium addicts are making a huge mistake at nominating someone that green, and that unwilling to stand up to Republicans. Unfortunately I fear we’ll see the outcome in either November or his first term. Republicans want blood, and we have a poodle instead of a pit bull in Obama.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI am COMPLAINING about private healthcare.
Jesus Christ on a crutch.
I don’t want private companies involved. And I don’t want mandates.
And I am done.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Mandates are necessary, period. And private healthcare being involved is normal for most of the world, by your own admission. Sorry, but you’re overreacting and on the wrong side of the issue on both accounts.
February 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pmIf you’re really interested in getting people to take a second look at Hillary’s Health Care Plan, Heckava job, RHF!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pmYour points are overwhelemed by the flood of name calling, LOL’s, and charges of ‘hopium’
I actually agree with you that Hillary’s plan is better than Obama’s but I gotta tell ya, you’re making it hard for me to agree with you…
If you’re really interested in getting people to take a second look at Hillary’s Health Care Plan, Heckava job, RHF!
Your points are overwhelemed by the flood of name calling, LOL’s, and charges of ‘hopium’
I actually agree with you that Hillary’s plan is better than Obama’s but I gotta tell ya, you’re making it hard for me to agree with you…
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
If you’re going to GET OFFENDED and USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO AVOID REALITY, you really should JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW and get it OVER WITH!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm.
#78 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
INCORRECT!
You’re the one who has a problem with it. Why engage with unwarranted character assaults if you didn’t have a problem with my POV?
Please, I’m not going to be responsible for your loose tongue… er… fingers. If you can not engage with others respectfully, then yes, you discredit your character and deserve me flagging any posts made by you toward me that aren’t respectful.
PERIOD!
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:57 pmI’m not offended or avoiding reality…
February 29th, 2008 at 3:59 pmI’m trying to have a conversation about this issue- if you’re going to get vicious and rude when ever you THINK that someone disagrees with you maybe you should join the Republican Party… or have you already?
INCORRECT!
You’re the one who has a problem with it. Why engage with unwarranted character assaults if you didn’t have a problem with my POV?
Please, I’m not going to be responsible for your loose tongue… er… fingers. If you can not engage with others respectfully, then yes, you discredit your character and deserve me flagging any posts made by you toward me that aren’t respectful.
PERIOD!
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, stop being such a whiny little moron, just because you never took the time to read the health care program, that already addressed your concerns…
Flag whatever you want, and remember that the only reason you hate it, is BECAUSE I WAS RIGHT, and you were just TOO WHINY TO DEAL WITH IT! PERIOD! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pmYou’re either with Hillary or you’re with enemy, huh RHF?
February 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pm.
#86 Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Remember… he hates facts… and a whole lot more too.
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI’m not offended or avoiding reality…
I’m trying to have a conversation about this issue- if you’re going to get vicious and rude when ever you THINK that someone disagrees with you maybe you should join the Republican Party… or have you already?
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Hey, you can disagree all you want, just be INFORMED in your disagreement. You have been, and I didn’t call you names, other than point out that you’re thin skinned at my response to those that are uninformed. Sorry you feel that way, but the Hopium addicts are getting really tiresome these days.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pmYou’re either with Hillary or you’re with enemy, huh RHF?
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
ROTFL!! Spoken like a TRUE HOPIUM ADDICT! I’ll vote for Obama if he’s nominated, I doubt many of the Obama supporters would say the same. Sad, all of the projection coming from the Hopium crowd..
February 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pmRemember… he hates facts… and a whole lot more too.
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
ROTFL!! So now I’M the LIAR, and NAME CALLER while YOU HYPOCRITICALLY CHARGE ME of being the SAME? HYSTERICAL! Where’d you learn the Karl Rove School!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pm.
#87 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
Now I’m a whinny little moron… ?
Is that comment of yours served with Bree or Swiss?
If we were all reading each other’s posts we would have known what and who I support, but you haven’t and didn’t. So, out of courtesy, please reread post #39 and refer to: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pmYour point about car insurance is a good one. Here in Louisiana, we have to buy uninsured motorist policies if we want to be protected from uninsured motorist. It’s the law here, yet many do not buy car insurance. Also, flood insurance was required here if you lived in a flood zone. Many who lived in flood zones did not buy flood insurance (which is goverment run) if they owned their homes. Many took a gamble and did not cover their homes, and lost when Katrina hit. Some were eventually bailed out and rewarded for not having flood insurance, like most of us did. This is sure to happen with health insurance if this is the plan for now.
Comment by Southern Man — February 29, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
So then it’s an UNENFORCED MANDATE, much like all UNENFORCED RULES that REPUBLICANS LIKE TO CREATE! That’s not a MANDATE it’s a RECOMMENDATION!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pmComment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Dennis Kucinich has two funtimental problems, he is more articulate and more intelligent than anyone else in the field. That scares the neocons and corporate interests more than anything else.
We have a potential savior in our midst and special interests are out to crush him.
The only reason that he was excluded from the debates from Super Tuesday 1 to today is that he would make the rest of the crop (both parties) look like a bunch of idiots.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:14 pmNow I’m a whinny little moron… ? Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Yes.
Is that comment of yours served with Bree or Swiss? Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
BRIE, if you can’t spell it, don’t use it, whiny (sp).
If we were all reading each other’s posts we would have known what and who I support, but you haven’t and didn’t. So, out of courtesy, please reread post #39 and refer to: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Also part of the Hillary plan, or didn’t you read that yet? Please do catch up, if you intend to comment on a topic?
February 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm#92 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Where did I call you a liar?
QUOTE ME PLEASE!
I’m merely repeating you ID back to you.
YOU HATE FACTS!
That’s a far cry from calling you a liar.
You make a weak victim.
TRY HARDER NEXT TIME!
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pmI guess we’ll find out Tuesday night which way the healthcare blows, eh?
Hillary may have a good plan, too bad she’s a born b!itch.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pmYou’re either with Hillary or you’re with enemy, huh RHF?
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
ROTFL!! Spoken like a TRUE HOPIUM ADDICT! I’ll vote for Obama if he’s nominated, I doubt many of the Obama supporters would say the same. Sad, all of the projection coming from the Hopium crowd..
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Nope- just trying to point out that absolutism doesn’t win you a lot of friends… ya catch more flies with honey and all.
I think that there are many Democrats who will vote for whomever the nominee is, I know I’m one. Come to think of it- I think most people will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is…
But it’s a long way to November, so I propose to talk to as many people as I can about our need for responsible Government and my belief that the Democrats are the party to get it done… but beating them with their ’stupidity’ will only drive them away…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pmComment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
No the real “tards” and trolls are the ones that don’t like coffee…. why? Because I like coffee.
Could you actually be more petty?
February 29th, 2008 at 4:18 pmMaybe you should try a bit harder.
‘funtimental’ sb ‘fundimental,’ sorry. The reference to Alan Funt of Candid. Camera may have been a Freudian slip - there is nobody more candid than Dennis!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:19 pmMax-1, stop whining about being insulted, and please stay on topic?
Mandates with affordable policies are necessary to ensure that people have easy and manageable access to healthcare. Those without policies are likely to not seek help until it becomes more serious and more expensive (what we have now). A mandate is critical, but just as critical is affordability. Both of which Hillary did address. I hope if Obama is nominated, he’ll wake up and adopt her plan.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm# 97
And now I’m a bad speller too…
Let’s recap:
According to you I’m:
LAZY
A MORON
SMOKE HOPIUM(what the hell IS Hopium anyway)
WHINNY
A POOR SPELLER
ILLITERATE(i can’t read)
Yet, you don’t even know my name…
Who’s the fool?
.
And BTW,
(s)Hillary does NOT support NOT FOR PROFIT!
Read the plan…
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:21 pmNope- just trying to point out that absolutism doesn’t win you a lot of friends… ya catch more flies with honey and all. Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
That strategy has been tried by Democrats for decades, what did it get us? George Bush.
I think that there are many Democrats who will vote for whomever the nominee is, I know I’m one. Come to think of it- I think most people will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is… Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
Glad to hear it, as am I.
But it’s a long way to November, so I propose to talk to as many people as I can about our need for responsible Government and my belief that the Democrats are the party to get it done… but beating them with their ’stupidity’ will only drive them away…
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
I agree with you. It will drive some away, it will wake others up. But your ‘It has to be my way’ is ironic, considering how much you say you hate that! You can use your kindness all you want, but your insistence that this is the ONLY WAY is very “With us or Against us”. Ah the irony!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:22 pmYet, you don’t even know my name…
Who’s the fool?
.
And BTW,
(s)Hillary does NOT support NOT FOR PROFIT!
Read the plan…
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Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
You are the fool. From the plan:
If you want to change plans or aren’t currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare.
See, this kind of uninformed arrogance is what I was berating you for!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:23 pmK, GETTING insurance in this country isn’t the problem being able to afford it is.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:24 pmNo the real “tards†and trolls are the ones that don’t like coffee…. why? Because I like coffee.
Could you actually be more petty?
Maybe you should try a bit harder.
Comment by Wayne — February 29, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
No the REAL TARDS are the ones that form an opinion, without all of the facts…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:24 pm#103 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
What you don’t seem to understand is that insults aren’t respectful and I would be doing myself and you a disservice to tolerate it. I have more pride in myself than to allow others to disrespect me so, as you have done.
You’re embarrassed because I bring it out of you. However revealing your chacter is, it’s yours. NOT MY FAULT!
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:25 pmI agree with you. It will drive some away, it will wake others up. But your ‘It has to be my way’ is ironic, considering how much you say you hate that! You can use your kindness all you want, but your insistence that this is the ONLY WAY is very “With us or Against usâ€. Ah the irony!
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
No, I’m not saying it has to be done my way…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:26 pmI’m merely pointing out that YOUR way doesn’t seem to be yeilding very good results… for evidence view the above 100 posts…
these people are on our side and even they are starting to disagree with you…
how’s this plan gonna work when you are talking to someone on the fence? Or, horror of horrors, on the other side?
What you don’t seem to understand is that insults aren’t respectful and I would be doing myself and you a disservice to tolerate it. I have more pride in myself than to allow others to disrespect me so, as you have done.
You’re embarrassed because I bring it out of you. However revealing your chacter is, it’s yours. NOT MY FAULT!
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
What you don’t seem to understand, is that being arrogant, uninformed and telling someone that they’re a liar without those facts is disrespectful lazy and dishonest. My character cares about the facts, yours cares about your opinion irregardless of the facts.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pmComment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
You must be an Evil Tea Drinker then….
Back to Hell with ye, then.
**eyes rolling**
February 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pmTP is once again shilling for Hillary. Shocking. I’m glad people on here seem to be pissed off at it for the most part.
The reason politics suck in this country is because of behavior like this, where orgs see a benefit in backing a candidate, and uncritically support their entire platform, despite the readership’s opposition.
Stop being a Hillary echo chamber, TP. You guys are really pissing me off with your election coverage.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:29 pmNo, I’m not saying it has to be done my way…
I’m merely pointing out that YOUR way doesn’t seem to be yeilding very good results… for evidence view the above 100 posts…
these people are on our side and even they are starting to disagree with you…
how’s this plan gonna work when you are talking to someone on the fence? Or, horror of horrors, on the other side?
Comment by belac — February 29, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
Actually many of them are NOT on my side, and how do you KNOW what my tactics are revealing? You’re making an anecdotal assumption based on YOUR FEELINGS. That’s fine, but that’s not a FACT.
Before I posted, max-1 probably would never have looked at or cared about the specifics of Hillary’s plan, but now he’s SO MAD he’s probably actually gone to the website and looked at it…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:29 pmYou must be an Evil Tea Drinker then….
Back to Hell with ye, then.
**eyes rolling**
Comment by Wayne — February 29, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Oh LIGHTEN UP and GET OVER IT! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:30 pmIt’s IRONIC that folks like Wayne and belac want congress to STAND UP AND FIGHT against the republicans, but as soon as any conflict comes close to them, they whine that people are being evil. Get over it folks! If you can’t handle conflict (especially within your ranks) then you have some serious maturing to do!
February 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pm#106 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
Please address where (s)Hillary supports NOT FOR PROFIT!
She mandates coverage through either private insurance companies(FOR PROFIT INDUSTRY) or the default for the poor, Medicare.
#108 Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
… Oops…
Forgot to add to that laundry list of character revelations:
TARD!
p.s.
What is this Hopium you think we’re all smoking?
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pmStop being a Hillary echo chamber, TP. You guys are really pissing me off with your election coverage.
Comment by imorgan82 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
ROTFL!! Go back to one of your OBAMA BLOG SITES and smoke some more HOPIUM and STFU, will you?
February 29th, 2008 at 4:33 pmForgot to add to that laundry list of character revelations:
TARD!
p.s.
What is this Hopium you think we’re all smoking?
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
ROTFL!! It’s the DRUG that the OBAMA CULTISTS SMOKE! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:33 pm… Oops…
Forgot to add to that laundry list of character revelations:
TARD!
p.s.
What is this Hopium you think we’re all smoking?
.Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Well to be fair, when I had already posted the PRIVATE INSURANCE text, and you LIED and CLAIMED SHE DIDN’T SUPPORT THAT, well that’s pretty much BEING EITHER A LIAR OR A TARD - YOUR PICK! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:34 pmSorry, meant PUBLIC INSURANCE! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:35 pmComment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
You insist I’ve called you a LIAR.
QUOTE ME PLEASE!
Or drop the accusation. It’s making you look bad.
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pmComment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
I hate to get into a food fight, but, some of Max-I’s comments do carry a semblance of intelligent thought. I came of age during the JFK era and would like to relive it before I die. There is no-one left in the current field capable of creating that environment.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pmBefore I posted, max-1 probably would never have looked at or cared about the specifics of Hillary’s plan, but now he’s SO MAD he’s probably actually gone to the website and looked at it…
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
Okay, he may… but what’s he gonna do with that information? My guess is that he’s gonna go looking for holes in your argument, not be won over by the beauty and grace of the language in Hillary’s plan to fight autism…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:38 pmLike it or not, RHF- that’s reality…
It is NOT a fact that Hillary’s plan is the best one, it’s a conclusion that you’ve reached based on your FEELINGS… it’s a conclusion that I happen to share but to argue that election politics is not about FEELINGS is either IGNORANT or PETULANT… (or both)
… exactly what are you hoping to achieve???
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I think RHF is really Rush Limbaugh.
He uses ad homonyms in the very same manner… NO?
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pmIt’s IRONIC that folks like Wayne and belac want congress to STAND UP AND FIGHT against the republicans, but as soon as any conflict comes close to them, they whine that people are being evil. Get over it folks! If you can’t handle conflict (especially within your ranks) then you have some serious maturing to do!
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Oh, I can handle conflict just fine, thanks. And my skin is much tougher than your third grade barbs… but I ask again… what are you hoping to achieve here? Calling people names? Check. Insulting the intelligence of your opponents? Check. Convincing people of the validity of your argument? Uhhh… get back to me.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pmI’m starting to doubt whether you really do support Hillary’s plan ’cause it kinda sounds like you just want to fight and cause trouble…
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Q U E S T I O N:
Since our taxes pay for Congress’ private insuance coverage, why can’t Congress pay for mine?
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pmIt’s IRONIC that folks like Wayne and belac want congress to STAND UP AND FIGHT against the republicans, but as soon as any conflict comes close to them, they whine that people are being evil. Get over it folks! If you can’t handle conflict (especially within your ranks) then you have some serious maturing to do!
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 29, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
It’s funny that you refer to my sarcasm this way, o’ evil tea drinker.
The Irony is strong with this one, yes it is.
February 29th, 2008 at 4:48 pmComment by imorgan82 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
Oh don’t worry about us, we do our own research.
Don’t you just love the way Obama is fighting back when attacked unfairly?
I do.
Tuesday to McCain: “But I have some news for John McCain,” Obama added. “There was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq. … They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11 and that would be al Qaeda in Afghanistan, that is stronger now than at any time since 2001.”
Wednesday to Bush: “Obama shot back that the next President must show the world “a new era is being ushered in, and that we are not afraid to talk to anybody, including those who we have great problems with.”
February 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pmIt’s funny that you refer to my sarcasm this way, o’ evil tea drinker.
The Irony is strong with this one, yes it is.
Comment by Wayne — February 29, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Still, I fear he may be too old to begin the training…
February 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pmQ U E S T I O N:
Since our taxes pay for Congress’ private insuance coverage, why can’t Congress pay for mine?
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Comment by Max-1 — February 29, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
It would be nice if they paid my taxes as well! ;)
February 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pmIf the majority truly believes they have the right to FORCE me to spend my money one way or another, then that falls under the tyranny of the majority. See wikipedia.
~Sean
February 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pmAs long as you make this new socialist medicine cheaper, better quality, and with faster service then my current private insurance, I am in favor.
If the quality is not better, if it is a penny more in price, or if I need to wait any extra time for care, I alone with most Americans will be against it.
Pretty simple.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:01 pmComment by SeanC — February 29, 2008 @ 4:58 pm
Tyranny is one-man rule! Geez, that sounds like the s