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Of course the important issue here is not the content of the blackout but the blackout itself. we have clear evidence of how easy it is to centrally manage our so called free and independant western media/press.

I agree 100% with everything that you said here!

And again, I’m quite confident that if the Dems could get their act together and get Pelosi to put Impeachment ON THE TABLE, Obama would support it.

The real issue here is how can we get Pelosi to either do the right thing or go away?

Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — February 29, 2008 @ 2:25 pm

To be clear, I am registered as an Independent. My support is far from blind. Unfortunately, there are no viable 3rd party candidates.

Obama could say or do many things that would cause me to waver in my support of him. So far he hasn’t. But any candidate that doesn’t have an R after it’s name is far and away superior to any that does.

I think, and I could be wrong, that I was the only one that used the term, “lock-step” on this thread and I used in reference to the repugs.

I wasn’t suggesting that Dems should get in “lock-step” behind Obama.

I was suggesting that it seems some people in the Dem party get wrapped up in an ideological stance and are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

I was also suggesting that this is one of those times. The stakes are too high to throw away your vote. But it’s your vote and your right. So go ahead and throw it away if you want. But if your going to stand on principle and vote Green, or Nader, because Obama isn’t the perfect candidate,(which I’ve already said DOESN”T EXIST) then be prepared to suffer the consequences of having someone worse than Obama, just like we’ve had someone worse than Gore and Kerry for the last 7 years.

If you weren’t talking about me, then please accept my apologies in advance.

To your point about being disapointed by Obama, if elected, There is no Perfect candidate and they will all disapoint us from time to time. It’s a question of which one of the candidates will disapoint the least.

I said that I thought the 1st part was accurate, I remembered having heard him say as much, and I was pissed at him for having said so.

But the second part is just what I said, your projection and a leap that he believes that those things are not serious.

None of the weak-knee’d-lilly-livered dems have taken the time to write up and Present any articles of impeachment (save Feingold) and I’d be willing to bet that if the Dems grew a set and and brought forth such articles Obama would support them.

We may never know. But I’d make that bet.

Where is Melanie Morgan when you really need her, to call for the trial and hanging of Matt Drudge, for the treasonous act of endangering coalition troops?

He did, missmolly…in 5 different countries.

Comment by bilbobaggins

I’m just a little put off by all the hero worship by some on this thread. I oiginally challenged Molly’s assertion that Bush wouldn’t fill his successor in on current events, and you’ve been looking for a way to peg me, ever since. Why not just lay-off the stereotyping for a little while?

Let me make this clear.
I would vote for a potted plant if it won the Democratic ticket before I would vote for any of the Republican candidates.

A potted plant would also still have more intelligence than our current President.
=)

Comment by Wayne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:37 pm

This will be my final post in this column today. The President, I believe, can exert influence over the Justice Dept. and either ask them to start an investigation or appoint a special prosecutor. We see Mukasey acting like Bush’s well trained dog, just like Alberto Gonzales did.

If President Obama asked his justice Dept. to investigate any one of the hundreds of Bush crimes I think he could make that happen.

I may be wrong.

if I post any more today it’ll be under other stories.

Thanks!

This guy is really harsh on ‘em all. So if you don’t like hearing your candidate called out don’t click:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/12/17/235834/10

That final vote was a given, since the filibuster was overridden.
Blame the Lap Dog Democrats that voted like Republicans.
Hows your math on showing Obama’s vote on the final would make a difference with that tally?

The final only needed 51 votes, it got 68.
He is running for President in a heated campaign, you know?

Doesn’t matter if he is pro-impeachment, though I don’t think he would be anti-impeachment with valid provable charges. A President cannot initiate impeachment. A Senator cannot initiate impeachment. As a Senator Obama cannot start impeachment.
The House has the authority and the obligation to impeach if warranted.
The problem is Pelosi is squashing each and every impeachment effort and not allowing them to the floor. She is not even allowing debate on the subject.

Comment by Wayne — February 29, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

That piece was from Oct. 07. Dodd’s filibuster was in Dec. I don’t believe Obama showed up. I watched it on C-Span. I remember Feingold, Boxer, Kennedy and the guy from Ohio who looks like Columbo being there. Until I can find that information Here’s what happened in the Senate on 2.12.08:

This first vote was on the Dodd/Feingold amendment (this is confusing)

UPDATE: The Dodd/Feingold amendment to remove telecom immunity from the bill just failed by a whopping vote of 31-67 — 20 votes shy of the 50 needed for a passage. A total of 18 Democrats joined all Republicans in voting for immunity: Bayh, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, McCaskill, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Stabenow, Feinstein, Kohl, Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar, Carper, Mikulski, Conrad, Webb, and Lincoln. Obama voted against immunity, and Hillary Clinton was the only Senator not voting.

This was the final Senate vote:

UPDATE V: Final passage in the Senate of the Cheney/Rockefeller bill was 68-29. 19 Democrats joined all Republicans to vote in favor of warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty: Conrad, Rockefeller, Baucus, Webb, Kohl, Whitehouse, Bayh, Johnson, Bill Nelson, Mikulski, McCaskill, Lincoln, Casey, Salazar, Inouye, Ben Nelson, Pryor, Carper, and Landrieu. Neither Obama nor Clinton voted on final passage.

Thanks for that, good answer. I can’t agree more on the impeachment and criminal prosecution aspect. But there’s a part of me that says that impeachment at this time could be cutting off your nose to spite your face, and unless you take them both out, you haven’t accomplished anything. I will be sorely pissed off if the next President says to let bygones be bygones, we need to heal the country and lets the bastards off the hook from criminal investigations. I want to see that sneer/smirk smacked from Bush’s face.

And I agree on the health care. A progressive tax to pay for health care for all citizens and cut out the parasites in the middle. I make plenty of money, I don’t mind a bit that I would be paying for someone less fortunate’s health.