Fox Trumpets Global Warming Denier Conference: ‘We Should Be Worried About Global Cooling’
Fox Trumpets Global Warming Denier Conference: ‘We Should Be Worried About Global Cooling’
This morning, Fox and Friends trumpeted the Exxon-funded Heartland Institute’s global warming skeptics conference, taking place this week in New York City. Fox hosted Dan Gainor, the vice president of the Business and Media institute, a group run by the right-wing Media Research Center.
Fox host Steve Doocy used to segment to tout the “bitterly cold” weather and the “worst winter,” suggesting global warming is a sham:
Despite it being bitterly cold outside in the Northern plains, we hear a lot about global warming, and that we better do something to fix it or we’re doomed. But is there another side to this story? Many scientists would say yes, but most media outlets, the mainstream media, only cover Al Gore’s earth has a fever perspective. [...] In fact, last week we were reporting that this is the worst winter in some parts of America and around the world, and perhaps we should be worried now about global cooling.
Watch it:
Despite Doocy’s complaint that the “mainstream media” ignores the “other side” of the global warming debate, Joe Romm points out that the media regularly gives attention to global warming skeptics — such as Gainor himself.
Worse, the media has recently picked up reports of this year’s “unusually” cold winter, a favorite argument among global warming deniers. Like Doocy, many mainstream outlets are using false ideas of extreme cold weather to point to possible “global cooling.”
Yet in fact, this winter has not been “unusual” in any respect. A report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration proved that December was the 13th warmest on record since 1880. What’s more, “the contiguous U.S. temperature during January 2008 was near average.”
A chart prepared by NASA’s Goddard Institute clearly shows that the climate continues to warm, with the eight warmest years on record occurring since 1998.
This staged conference “proves” little more than that a group funded by Big Oil can easily attract sham scientists to tout the industry’s line.
UPDATE: DeSmogBlog is tracking the conference on the ground.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 pmCold snap sparks debate?
Among who? Itchy & Scratchy?
Folks, the graph goes up. Suck it up.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pmbut, but, but………… I thought “the debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
GOOD ONE, GIGI!!!
A Faux News report trumpeting a Deniers Conference funded by the Extraction Industries is evidence of a “debate”.
Very droll, Gigi. Thanks for the laugh on a Monday morning.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmAre these the same bozos who founded the Flat Earth Society? They are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but the facts scream pretty loudly that something is going on and we should be very concerned. Persistent denial is not going to change those facts, but will cause us to lose valuable time and critical thinking on the many ways we can address the causes of this condition.
Or, right, I almost forgot. It’s just that dang liberal media again!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmDamn camelid, you beat me again.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmWarming can cause both extreme heat and cold, as well as large storms, hence the tornados and large storms the world over.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm“Jimmy and Mary, what do you wanna be when you grow up?”
“We wanna be sham scientists, Daddy!!”
“Ahhh, good, you’ll always be employed.”
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmDespite the real problem of global warming and rising sea levels, I’m moving my wife and 2 kids to Panama (the country) if the job I’m eyeing comes through. Seriously. Great standard of living, low crime, tropical climate, etc. The ONLY problem with Panama is their currency is tied 1-to-1 to the US Dollar. Maybe they’ll wise up and tie it to the Euro soon.
I’m so fed up with the system here, that I can’t stand it anymore. The Dems will cave on Telecom immunity, and that will be the straw that breaks this camel’s back.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmHey, ralph. The debate is always over for gg — even before it begins. Such is life for an organism with an IQ lower than a rock.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm.
Excess moisture in winter climates WILL result in larger snowfall and snow packs in the higher elevations… DUH! But it doesn’t indicate a cooling trend.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pmReal Science vs. Republican Science.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 pmMy heating bill doubled this winter compared to the last two years, therefore it MUST be getting colder otherwise my bills would be lower!
Also milk is thirty percent more expensive than two years ago so cows are making more money which means the tax cuts must be working!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmA world population chart imposed over the temp chart would be interesting.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmbut, but, but………… I thought “the debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
The debate is over about Global Sphericism, too. That doesn’t stop Flat-Earthers like Thomas Friedman from continuing to argue.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmLet’s see… statistics show a severe downturn across the board in the nation’s economy.
Wingnuts say “Nuh-uh.”
Statistics show a steady warming trend in the global climate.
Wingnuts say “Nuh-uh.”
Damn. That must be some powerful media that can manipulate statistics in the national economy and the global climate to make things look worse than they are, just to embarrass Republicans.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmSo how could the weather be “normal†or “near average†if the world is melting? No inconsistency there.
Comment by Gin — March 3, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Oh poor Gin. Poor, sad, Bathtub Gin. Still not getting it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmThank God for President Clinton and Al Gore. And when Hillary is elected this year, we can get back to caring for the environment once again.
God bless Al Gore and the Clintons. Hillary ‘08!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmGG-draw a french curve on that chart.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmI see. A bad winter this year in some parts has completely debunked global warming? Isn’t this a little bit like looking out a window, seeing that it’s sprinkling outside, and confidently declaring that the drought is over?
People who don’t want to admit that global warming is a problem will clutch onto any shred of “evidence” that supports their belief. Never mind looking at the big picture. Never mind looking at graphs of mean temperatures that have been steadily climbing. Never mind polar ice melting at accelerated rates. Never mind all the models done by the scientific community. The fact that Chicago has a lot of snow trumps all that evidence, doesn’t it?
This sounds like the guy who refuses to believe that seat belts save lives. Despite all the existing evidence to support that, he will cling tenaciously to a story told by a friend of a friend — about how that friend’s uncle’s boss’s daughter was thrown from her car in a collision and thus “saved”, whereas if she had been wearing her seat belt, she would have been crushed to death.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmThe world is melting? That’s a new one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmI’m sure the ADD crowd was thoroughly convinced.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmThe debate is over about Global Sphericism, too. That doesn’t stop Flat-Earthers like Thomas Friedman from continuing to argue.
Comment by toasterhead
Actually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmI prefer this chart which is on a wingnut blog.
Comment by goon_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
Here. Fixed it for you.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmDOUBLE UGH! GRRRRRR… I don’t have the stomach or the patients for teh s00pr st00peds today. Normally I do but not today. Maybe if stupidity was painful more people would shy away from it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmoh and where were these “scientists” back when we had in NJ a total of 37 snow storms in 94 and 95 and weeks of temps with highs of 18 degrees and lows of 9 degrees? Why didn’t they start predicting a new Ice Age back then?
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmgood golly never lets her brain get in the way of the facts.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmthis drives me crazy – how hard is it to understand?
weather=conditions now
climate=conditions over the long term
hence, weather changes constantly and does not necessarily correlate with long term climate conditions
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pmNASA: Greatest scientific institution in the world.
Noel Sheppard: Economist and business owner.
Tough one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmgood golly never lets her brain get in the way of the facts.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 3, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Don’t you have that backwards? Uh, no, I guess not. Never mind.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmThese conferences are nothing more than shams. While there is a general consensus there is climate change, the right wing likes to hold these media events and then point to them as if they are evidence not everyone agrees with the scientific community.
In essence, these events are stating pollution is okay, which is ridiculously idiotic.
It truly baffles me the right wing of this country feels more threatened by gay marriage than evironmental degradation.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmIf one doesn’t understand the fundamental difference between climate and weather, temperature and heat, one can’t understand the issues with climate change.
Let’s face it. Wingnuts don’t do subtlety.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmGG-said – I prefer this chart which has far more data.
I see besides, that it is total bull$hit ,that it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm“and perhaps we should be worried now about global cooling.”
You know, depending on where you live, he’s right!
My understanding is that the melting ice up north is affecting the conveyer belt (slowing it down), which affects the gulf stream, which will probably mean that England, for example, will be getting much harsher winters in the near future.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmI prefer this chart which has far more data.
http://www.newsbusters.org/ blogs/ noel-sheppard/ 2007/ 11/ 12/ global-temperature-chart-not-gore-s-movie
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
And it’s already been debunked: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=7
Past volcanic eruptions do not have anything to do with current climate change, which can only be explained by anthropoegenic origins.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 pmGG-are Randy and Cliff in NY today dor the big conference?
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmGood golly in #23:
Your link to a chart is to NewsBusters.org : “Exposing Liberal Media Bias” funded by Media Research Center which states on their website they are a ” conservative media watchdog group dedicated to bringing political balance to the news and entertainment media.”
The chart above is from NASA.
Who should I believe? NASA or your right-wing site? Hmmmmm….
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmHow can you guys continue to deny the truth of Gigi’s sources? I mean, after all, the only chart TP produces comes from the Far-left “NASA”, whereas Gigi turns to a respected news agency like Newsbusters.
There, there, Gigi, it’ll be all right… everything will be fine… the earth isn’t warming due to human activities and the economy is “shtrong”. The surge is working and Bush is the new Lincoln. It’s all good, Gigi.
Now repeat that three times while clicking your heels together.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmdor=for
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmIsn’t it embarrassing to be as stupid as these Fox guys act? Goofy? Ginhead? Perhaps one of you would like to answer the question with all the first hand knowledge you two have.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pmWent to see gg’s chart and it shows the swings in temp change to becoming increasingly more violent and drastic. So I’m not convinced gg, that your “chart” makes any real case for your argument.
Temps are rising, glaciers are melting and more water is being put into our atmosphere. This will alter weather patterns. The causes of this can be debated for eternity. To deny this is happening is ignorance.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pmI see besides, that it is total bull$hit ,that it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
Comment by Joefriday — March 3, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
6000 years?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 pmNow repeat that three times while clicking your heels together.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
Goofy wears ruby slippers, I should have known. And he’s waiting for the Wizard to restore the polar ice caps. He never could understand the guy behind the curtain thing, too freakin’ stupid.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmgigi, I still have your hubby on the line, should I ask him to bring home a dozen eggs and a gallon of milk for you?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmZoo did I need a :) for that one? 6000 years?
Comment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmActually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
DAMN YOU VAN DER WAALS!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming when you think Global Warming. Not that any of the deniers would pay attention, but the others might find this interesting.
Global Dimming explains why some places will be colder and others warmer.
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/sample.php (more than a trailer for the documentary)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalWarming/globaldimming.asp
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmAnd this is the station that DEMANDS that Obama participate to make them appear legitimate?
HA!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmThat does it. I’m throwing away my convinctions, turning my back on facts, getting myself some fake credentials and become a sham scientist willing to say anything for large sacks of cash from big money polluters that need plausible falsehoods.
Perhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmPerhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Sorry, ToonGuy… trolls all work for minimum wage.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmMs_Joanne,
Stop it! you’re confusing the trolls. Fox told them not to worry. Facts will only make their brains hurt.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmThe fact that Chicago has a lot of snow trumps all that evidence, doesn’t it?
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
Pretty much, yeah. I mean, why spend all that time reading through hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed studies when you can just open a window?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmPerhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Sorry, ToonGuy, the trolls just answered craigslist ads for this gig. They only know what they’re told.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmSo I’m not convinced gg, that your “chart†makes any real case for your argument.
Comment by hellinabucket
I think it is a very well presented chart, very scientific. NOte the use of constrasting colors: blue and orange to describe cold and warm, respectively. There is more, note that depending on the amplitude of the temperature oscillations says: COLD/WARM or VERY COLD/WARM.
And finally, at the bottom of the VERY COLD wave, it says: 54.3 ºF? Cause they don’t know for sure!!!
WE are in presence of a superior chart, made by superior minds.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmD’oh! There’s those pesky facts again. It is so hard to let go of reality once you’ve accepted it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pmThat does it. I’m throwing away my convinctions, turning my back on facts, getting myself some fake credentials and become a sham scientist willing to say anything for large sacks of cash from big money polluters that need plausible falsehoods.
Perhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
A lobotomy is mandatory. Not that GG and the other trolls miss now the chunk of brain lacking, but, well, maybe you want to know it, BEFORE the trollification.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pmBlasphemer!!! Didn’t you hear? “The debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
The debate is over among scientists and intelligent, rational people. You science deniers will continue to debate climate change, evolution, and the Copernican Model for eternity.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
Comment by tom — March 3, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Nope. Those dimmings you mentioned are very, very local. Although they do struggle mightily to expand their dimming, it’s not global quite yet.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmSteve Doocy claims that one or two months of cold weather constitutes a trend. Now that’s scientific.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmBlasphemer!!! Didn’t you hear? “The debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
GG is pulling your legs. He’s an agitator and nothing more. He doesn’t believe this (as you can tell by his response above). He’s having fun yanking our chains.
Ignore this idiot. He craves attention and you’re giving it to him.
Kids with nothing better to do.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:12 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Geez, ralph… are follering me around these days?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmKids with nothing better to do.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Or perhaps a retiree… ya never know…
But yes, this one is just an agitator looking for attention.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmIgnore this idiot. He craves attention and you’re giving it to him.
Kids with nothing better to do.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Gigi enjoys getting the spit slapped out of her?
I’ve read about people like that.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmWE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT AMERICAN STUPIDITY
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmGeez, ralph… are follering me around these days?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
Great minds, TRoS. Great minds.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmThe debate is not over.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmIt’s funny that they held their conference in NYC today. We’ve experienced yet another record warm winter here (temps today are in the 50’s). I wonder how many of these fact challenged pseudo-scientists, on their way to the conference, commented what a beautiful warm day we’re having here in NYC. I think I pulled out my snow shovel twice in the last two years and my wife and I have been marveling that the local squirrels haven’t even hibernated this year, they’re just running around the yard looking for more food to dig up and eat. Well, at least they’ve completely aerated my lawn. Nope, no warming going on here, move along, nothing to see.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Translation: deniers will drag this on forever rather than learn a damn thing.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 pmA world population chart imposed over the temp chart would be interesting.
Comment by Bushie — March 3, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
BINGO, Bushie!
the only real solution to global warming and all the other environmental atrocities is human population control! What poor mother earth needs is about a century or two of negative human population growth. Clearly, she can’t handle six billion of us SOBs.
We all should be doing everything we possibly can to reduce our carbon footprint, but let’s face it, with respect to the production of greenhouse gases, that’s putting a band-aid on a hemorrhaging wound.
http://www.npg.org
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Yes it is.
Your move.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
You’re absolutely right. The scientific consensus on gravity is still being tested.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 pmWOW! That first link is the whole film on Global Dimming. About 18 minutes into it it talks about the Maldives (north and south) and the difference between them and the pollution they emit and the effect on the clouds. Goes to what #73 was saying.
FASCINATING stuff!
Watch it. http://www.documentary-film.net/search/sample.php
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmGigi, your hubby told me he needs to “talk” with me because his wife is frigid. What did he mean by that? I guess global warming hasn’t made it to your bedroom yet.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
The “debate” over global warming is like the “debate” over whether waterboarding is torture.
It is a bullsh!t “debate” contrived by the Republicans and the Corporations, while a majority of real scientists have a consensus.
Yes, Virginia, there is a problem with Global Warming and waterboarding is Torture. Take your head out of your rear end now and then, and smell the polluted air.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 pmSorry missmolly.I meant good golly. You aren’t the same person are you?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
Comment by tom — March 3, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
I think they suffer from “Lobal Dimming”.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmI prefer this chart which has far more data.
http://www.newsbusters.org/ blogs/ noel-sheppard/ 2007/ 11/ 12/ global-temperature-chart-not-gore-s-movie
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
And it’s already been debunked: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=7
Past volcanic eruptions do not have anything to do with current climate change, which can only be explained by anthropoegenic origins.
Comment by toasterhead — March 3, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
And here’s another response to good_golly’s chart — with an explanation of who Cliff Harris and Randy Mann (the creators of the chart) are:
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-hell-is-long-range-weather.html
And now we know the “truth” — there IS such a thing as global warming. And we must do everything we can to hasten it to bring about The Rapture.
Just when you didn’t think things could get any sillier…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 pmYou aren’t the same person are you?
Comment by Cal Malenky
About as possible as the earth is flat.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm(If you’re from Oklahoma or Kansas, Cal, then I’ll have to find another meta-phor you.)
Actually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
No, no, no. It’s sinking close to the poles becaaaaause people eat more the colder it gets, and obviously as you near the poles it gets colder, therefore the people are fatter and they push the ground level more than the thin people in the tropics.
Yay! I can be a crackpot scientist too! Now where’s my money?
Oh, I almost forgot. It’s the liberals fault that polar people eat more. And it’s probably Clinton’s fault too.
There. RightWingnut Transformation Complete. Now where’s my money?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmSorry missmolly.I meant good golly. You aren’t the same person are you?
Comment by Cal Malenky — March 3, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
No, we are definitely not the same person. Furthermore, I was “missmolly” long before he was “good_golly”.
We both post here a lot, but I think you will find our political views are rather different from each other.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmI think they suffer from “Lobal Dimmingâ€.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Good one!!! May the Snark be with you!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmWe both post here a lot, but I think you will find our political views are rather different from each other.
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
I think we could say it’s like the diference between oil and clean water.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pmI like that Shayne…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmThe FOX pundits should also be worried about Lobal Drooling.
Now where’s my money?
Comment by Luis M — March 3, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Fox News is looking for you, my son. They need a new lead Science Editor, and you… are… just… PERFECT!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmAnd with you too TRoS. And that goes for the Llama too.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmJust when you didn’t think things could get any sillier…
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
LOL nice one, that was a good link.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmI think that one left a big smoking crater where golly_goofy was standing.
I can hear it now. When the Gulf Stream reverses after Greenland’s ice melts, Northern Europe will experience another Ice Age and Fux News will think they’re right about Global Warming.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmAnd there will be more deserts in more equatorial regions.
I am humbled, Shayne.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmGreat minds, TRoS. Great minds.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Hoookay… ralph… yer offin tha hook fer now… but I’ll be keepin’ an eye on you… and no, I’m not a cyclops…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmI wonder if anyone at Fox “news” saw the photograph of Bush with the Danish PM at Crawford where Bush is wearing a short-sleeve shirt on February 29, 2008?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pmSorry for the mixup. Blame it on Little Richard.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmSorry for the mixup. Blame it on Little Richard.
Comment by Cal Malenky — March 3, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Yeah, I’m just waiting for somebody named “Tutti Fruiti” to join the party. :-)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmI think that one left a big smoking crater where golly_goofy was standing.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
Yer killing me this morning, Wayne. =)
That and the comment, about “prices may vary…”
Geez, folks are on fire here this morning. And it’s only Monday too.
Everyone drinkin’ double lattes or sumpin this morning?
“big smoking crater”… sorry, but I’m gonna hafta steal that one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmComment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Aw, Christmas, missmolly… don’t give the trolls any ideas.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmThe stupidity of a significant portion of America is just downright amazing. Global warming causes radical changes in weather . . . both cold and hot. BUT . . . I mean, c’mon . . . knuckle draggers don’t let no science get in the way. The Earth is only 6k years old and Jeebus is coming back soon driving a pick ‘em up, I mean think about it . . .they are too damned dumb to know that the term “global warming” doesn’t mean it heats up everywhere or that a warming can’t cause a cooling as glaciers melt, etc.
You make em dumb . . . we’ll make em Republican dumb!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmI wonder if anyone at Fox “news†saw the photograph of Bush with the Danish PM at Crawford where Bush is wearing a short-sleeve shirt on February 29, 2008?
Comment by smedley — March 3, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
So, was it Bush that stole Winter from Texas this year?
The B@stard!
The bugs this spring & summer are going to be horrendous, btw.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmHoookay… ralph… yer offin tha hook fer now… but I’ll be keepin’ an eye on you… and no, I’m not a cyclops…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
(solemnly): I understand.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmThe bugs this spring & summer are going to be horrendous, btw.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Ohhhh, I’d forgotten that benefit of being eyeball deep in snow.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmThanks, Wayne! :)
The debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Doctor No in da house.
BTW, nice scientific argument, the one of you.
Using your debate style, I can beat everyone, and never claim a defeat.
No need of facts, explaining of my posture, or reasoning, nor accepting other’s arguments or clarifications. No nothing.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pmActually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
From Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmDude…let’s do another Inhofe dube..he’s got the best stuff from the cow pastures of Okla…
Oopss…that will be gone soon too!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm(solemnly): I understand.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Do I detect an ATTITUDE there, young llama?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmComment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
Hi Zooey :)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmThe Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Actually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmComment by Evil Spaniard — March 3, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
Hi Senor Evil. Great seeing you. :)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Ugh. Double whammy.
Limbaugh AND his middle. :P
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmThat guy sure has a nasty lisp. Should have gone to those speech classes. Hard to take that clown seriously. The fact that Exxon funds them pretty much dullifies their argument. And he blames the media as usual. Well I guess if your on the non-scientific side of the argument like him you don’t get much coverage unless your on Fox News. They take in all the garbage.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmFrom Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Don’t mess with my pear shapped planet! ;)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmComment by techsong — March 3, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
That’s pretty low. I hardly think he’s in control of his speech impediment.
He is in control of his level of ignorance. Criticize him for that.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmhttp://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 pmCriticize him for that.
Comment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Right! We got more ‘n enough good reasons to go snipe hunting here!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTo the flat earthers the Earth is only 5,000 years old. So one year, to them, is very representative.
To those who don’t reject science, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
One winter is called WEATHER. Think in terms of 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years. Now we’re talking about CLIMATE.
Even 10,000 years is only 1/450,000th of the existence of Earth.
The Planet is INCREDIBLY OLD, 1/3 the age of the Universe. That’s McCain-like old.
TP is defending climate change incorrectly. Don’t defend it by arguing about one winter or even ten winters.
Look at the long-term trend.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmFrom Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
At least until the geomagnetic reversal ( North and South poles switching ), which has happened many times in the history of the earth.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
I am officially ill now.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTemperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling:
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming….
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmLook at the long-term trend.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
And of course, right on schedule…
“january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months”
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 3, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
Geez, what bout the past 12 weeks, or days?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmWhat a BS Headline!
Those weren’t Trumpets Faux Snooze was using, they were kazoos!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmDamn, the last 12 seconds, I was freezing my ass off.
Oh, I was right under the HVAC grate.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
I am officially ill now.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Oops.. my bad… that wasn’t Limbaugh… it was UrAnus…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmwhich has happened many times in the history of the earth.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Are you saying the very Earth itself is bi-polar?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmTemps are rising, glaciers are melting and more water is being put into our atmosphere. This will alter weather patterns. The causes of this can be debated for eternity. To deny this is happening is ignorance.
Comment by hellinabucket
And that is the point. If they are right, nothing happens. If we are right, we all die. Why take that chance.
Besides, how anyone can think that we can dump millions of pounds of pollutants into our atmosphere daily and there will be no negative effect is truly delusional.
In a way I wish they would stop calling it “Global Warming” and start calling it “Global Climate Change” because that is really what is happening. Because of our polluting our environment we are seeing serious changes in the climate all over the world. Some changes might be a good thing for a while (cold climates becoming warmer), but in the end it means the destruction of life on earth.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmTRoS is on fire!!
Look out! :-D
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmTo the moronic trolls on this thread I pose a question:
Are you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren that you are right and man is not causing the climate changes happening on this earth? Because if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pmHere in Texas we had an unusually warm winter.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmAre you saying the very Earth itself is bi-polar?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
Lets see, 1. North pole 2. South pole
Definitely bi-polar =)
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmThis whole threat has been a Snark-fest this morning, Z.
Wayne’s been killing me… Shayne, tha Llama, MsJ…
TP… the all Snark, all day channel…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmWinter up here in northern Europe 2007-2008 is the warmest on record. Its been close to spring temperatures. But I’m not an idiot like Steve Idiodoocy so I dont claim thats proof of global warming.
The scientific debate on the science basics of the AGW-theory, has been over and done with for almost 30 years. Theres an interesiting report by the US National Academy of Sciences from 1979 which basically says the same thing the IPCC said 28 years later. The only difference now we have a more science and observations so the uncertainties are lower.
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~brianpm/download/charney_report.pdf
The denialists then appeared suddenly in the 1990s, “coincidentally” at the same time the world began discussing emission-cuts to adress the problem. Thus its not scientific scepticism. But “scepticism” fueled and funded by ideology and economic interests. Everybody but Fox news knows that. Or rather they know but dont see anything wrong with it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm—-
Fox host Steve Doocy used to segment to tout the “bitterly cold†weather and the “worst winter,†suggesting global warming is a sham
—-
Fox News drops another Doocy.
Hey Doocy, go build your house on a glacier and then get back to us.
Thanks Dooc bag.
- Tom
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmBoth Roger2 and Napier point to the same source, but neither of them has bothered to read it, apparently. Here’s the update from the blog:
Emphasis added. Apologies accepted.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmBecause if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 3, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
The way these cretins (pronounced w/ a short e) love war, they’re doing that for a certain percentage of them anyways…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 pmHere in Texas we had an unusually warm winter.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
Start stocking on bug repellant before spring.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmDefinitely bi-polar =)
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
See? That explains the terrific mood swings the Earth is going thru…
Extreme, fluctuating temperatures and weather, wildly giddy one minute, very,very depressed the next…
I think the Earth is ready fer some strong meds…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmEmphasis added. Apologies accepted.
Comment by gummitch — March 3, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Aw, jeebus, you had ta go ‘n ruin R_R and CJ’s big moment…
Bad gummitch… bad gummitch…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pmRemember when just a few months ago our dear trollips were denying global cooling? Now they are promoting it.? Heh.
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmComment by raymundohpl — March 3, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Hmmm… there’s goes the morning Snark…
Me’thinks this one skipped the double latte and went right to the triple espresso…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Rush doesn’t need a belt, he wear spandex.
Hope everybody had a barf bag handy.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pmHey Nappy and R2Dumb2, you guys are reading off the same sheet at the same time. Please call Troll Central and find out who overscheduled you guys. That RNC can’t get anything right can they.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pmHope everybody had a barf bag handy.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Oh, thanks a LOT… and just when I thought we were friends, ‘n all…
On the other hand, this would give credence to the “Expanding Universe” theory… and when that poor Spandex reaches its limit, I guess we’ll finally get that Big Bang scientists are allus talkin’ ’bout, eh?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pmThat RNC can’t get anything right can they.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
It’s the result of outsourcing their trolling to the lowest bidder.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pmFrom CJN’s dailytech link:
While the data doesn’t itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let’s hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pmAre you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren that you are right and man is not causing the climate changes happening on this earth? Because if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 3, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Snap out of it bilbo, you’ve read these trolls. What are the chances they’ll ever have children? They can’t find their d*cks with both hands what are the chances they’d ever find a partner. And with Rethugs it’s all about me, me, me and mine, mine, mine anyway. Children and grandchildren, snort, too funny.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pmThat had to be said Shayne… ‘n you were the one ta do it!
Blogging is a dirty business, ‘n not fer tha squeamish, huh?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmThe linked GISS graph was graphed for the months of January only.
From CJNs dialytech link.
The chart was graphed for the MONTHS of January only.
What a SHAM!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmI guess we’ll finally get that Big Bang scientists are allus talkin’ ’bout, eh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Oh sure, whose side are you on? Rush has been looking for “The Big Bang” in Central America, right?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmIf only Ronald Reagan was around to ask if Global Warming is real. If he’d sign on, then we’d have a consensus on the subject.
When reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status. With the neocon monkey’s in charge, we’ll be back to breaking rocks in no time.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmWell, geez, Xisithrus… read the fine print on the trolls’ employment agreements. They’re only allowed to present sham arguments.
It’s right there in print… take a look.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmRush has been looking for “The Big Bang†in Central America, right?
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Ewwww… I’m gonna hafta flush my brain w/ Clorox after that…
Rinse, and repeat as many times as necessary…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm“… When reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status.”
Comment by Innocent Bystander — March 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Ya mean, like having to debate whether or not water boarding is torture?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmThe global climate change deniers are the same dumba$$es that think the jury is still out on evolution. To paraphrase Lewis Black, “What jury, where?” Throw a fossil at them and tell them to STFU they don’t deserve any intelligent discussion, they wouldn’t understand anyway.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmWhen reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status.â€
Comment by Innocent Bystander — March 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Ya mean, like having to debate whether or not water boarding is torture?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:33
That debate IS over, we have become the kind of country we used to make fun of.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmYes, TRoS, I see.
The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January “was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average.”
When I look at the ‘data’ these pundits are using, its cherrypicked. They are focusing on ONE month.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmwe have become the kind of country we used to make fun of.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
And disgusted by… don’t forget the disgust.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmAt least until the geomagnetic reversal ( North and South poles switching ), which has happened many times in the history of the earth.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Yes. And the poles are in the process of changing right now. Infact, the process is well under way. This won’t change the “shape” of the planet. It may wreck all our computers and temporarily expose us to some deadly cosmic rays which in the process corrupts the DNA of all living things. But other than that it should be fun.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmAsk the Venusians about Global Warming.
They listened to Exxon scientists too.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Humans and most of the crops and animals we depend on do NOT prefer a MEAN temp of 70 deg! That would be disastrous!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 pmSo what this data says is that from 1901-2008 the month of January in many towns, not ALL of them, has grown 0.3 degrees colder.
January, and only January got .03 colder over a one hundred year period in many, but not nearly all, American, not global, cities and towns!!
FOX folks are incapable, it appears, of disseminating data and critical thnking.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pmWin $150,000. Take the global warming challenge. http://www.globalwarmingchallenge.com
You can donate your winnings to your favorite tinfoil hat project.
raymundalpl, why don’t you move to a communist country if you like executions of those you are are jealous of.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pmHumans and most of the crops and animals we depend on do NOT prefer a MEAN temp of 70 deg! That would be disastrous!
Comment by LividLib
I agree, that was from the dailytech link CJN supplied.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pmhe mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
A global temp. of 70 degrees would cause a mass extinction of 99.9% within 100 years. All the methane in the oceans and permafrost would be released. That’s GAME OVER. Only things living undeground with food and water supplies could survive…such as Dick Cheney.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pmAccording to GG’s referenced chart (compiled in part by the hilariously named Randy Mann) “ whenever SOLAR IRRADIATION has DECREASED and VOLCANIC ACTIVITY has INCREASED global temperatures SUDDENLY PLUMMEToften within weeks or months‗yet according to the graph (where 57degrees F is declared “normal†without qualification) we find the following:
Actually I’ll skip to the end right here and say that not only is the chart GG linked to the work of an 8-year old’s reasoning, it actually accidentally proves not only the opposite of what it puprots in bold lettersm but proves the Global Warming/Temperature Change case,
Here’s the break-down if you want to read it:
10 eruptions occur at 1900 BC following and continuing a steep COOLING TREND that began in 2200 BC, so absolutely no cause and effect there.
25 eruptions occur during a WARMING TREND beginning 1600BC (the arrow on the chart identifying eruptions here is artfully misdirected into the chart’s trough rather than at the volcanic event “data points†on the rising line).
Apparently the “Hebrew Exodus from Egypt†in supposedly 1100 B.C caused a precipitous rate of cooling.
In 250 BC Vesuvius erupts near the very bottom of a cold trend and then on a WARMING PERIOD somewhere between 50BC and 0AD
35 volcanic eruptions occur on a WARMING TREND right near the “norm†of 57F.
That WARMING TREND continues to rise apparently with Jesus’s help and the assistance of the Roman Empire which apparently began in 0AD.
The BEST info is in the last part of the graph.
Between 1600 and 1800 “at least 90 major eruptions†that occur on a WARMING TREND that peaks in 1991 then an immediate COOLING trend (of 1.1 degrees) lasting one year from the eruption of Mount Pinatubo.
From 1992 to 1998 the temperature then returns to the 1991 level.
“AT LEAST 75 MAJOR TEMPERATURE SWINGS IN THE LAST 4.500 YEARS!â€
But as the volcanic activity on or at the COOLING TRENDS number 47 and the eruptions at or on WARMING TRENDS number 195 then if there’s any connection between volcanoes and global temperatures it is that volcanoes CONTRIBUTE to WARMING (I’m just using the specious simplistic arguments made by the chart’s authors to counter their claim with their own data).
It is also notable that volcanic activity seems at its greatest mostly below the 57 degree norm and where the temperature change seems to be steepest, either warm to cool or cool to warm, suggesting that volcanism is a result of steep temperature change (in temporal geologic terms), NOT a cause.
More significant still is the FREQUENCY OF TEMPERATURE CHANGE, combined with the AMPLITUDE.
The graph clearly shows a general progression of frequency in temperature change and the rate of change too.
From 1500 to 550 BC the global temperature was above normal, a period of 1000 years.
From 0AD to 550AD the above normal period is obviously 550 years. 900 to 1350 marks a period of 450 years but with a higher peak temperature.
From 1800 to 2007 we see a temperature rise much steeper than at any other time occurring over just 200 years. The span of the cold periods have changed less dramatically but the degree of change has also increased.
QED the palent is getting warmer, remarkably more rapidly than ever before, and this seems coincident with the increase in the global population and its heat-exchanging indistrial activities. from 1000 BC to 100 AD human pop. estimated at 310 million (2000 years).
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pmFrom 1000AD to 1800 (800 years) it;s a little less than 1 Billion;
From 1800 to 2000 it’s increased to 6 Billion, coincedent with the indiustrial revolution and the use of coal and oil and the decrease in natural environments. .
sorry about the typos…”planet”, “1000 BC to 1000 AD” and a few others… I’ll trust most of you to look beyond the typos.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pmApparently the “Hebrew Exodus from Egypt†in supposedly 1100 B.C caused a precipitous rate of cooling.
Comment by 5th Estate — March 3, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Typical liberal… Always blaming the Jews :rolleyes:
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pmBig, smokin’ craters and cyclopses and lobal dimming??
Oh my. ;o)
Rock on, y’all!!
~A
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pmUmmmm, science and statistics, jason54301000000
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pmThe more a person knows about climate change, the less he or she thinks that it is a concern and the less he or she feels personally responsible.
In other words, the skeptics are educated while the warmers are ignorant.
Link
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm172 – So, Jason, how do we know that there’s oxygen on every inch of the planet?
Is there a guy standing there breathing on every inch of the planet phoning in confirmation of oxygen like the Verizon Wireless guy?
What a stupid question.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pmI’ve got a project for Jason.
I want you to research Global Warming Venus.
Then research Global Cooling Mars.
When you’re done report back to us.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pmUh, jason? Have you never seen a science program on tv before? Have you ever heard of scientific instruments? Where did you go to school?
Perhaps you’ve been kidding around? If so I apologize.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:53 pmIf you just looked at the temperature of the biggest city in every country right now, you would have a 100+ F degree difference. So which temperature is right??? Which one do we plug into the graph? I assume there MUST be a more accurate method here, but what is it?
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Obviously they have a method for averaging out temperatures around the globe at various times of the day.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 pmWhy are you afraid to ask “How did you arrive at these numbers?â€
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
“The numbers” come from thousands of recording stations, from Antarctica to the far North, for many decades. EVERY government keeps climate statistics. Plus, many independent observers from organizations like National Geographic, N.A.S.A, Scientific American and many Universities; to name a few.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pmComment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
Ahhhh. A troll. Never mind.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pmI was waiting for these azzholes to say something about this winter we’re having. One season doesn’t define the overall trend. Climate change is about more extremes.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 pmI am truly ignorant of what “scientific instruments†were used.
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
T H E R M O M E T E R
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pmJust curious, where do these numbers come from to tell us that the earth is warming?
Comment by jason54301
From a yellow bird that whispers them right outside the NASA Space Center in Houston, TX.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pmHey Jason, how much praying do you have to do to get your computer to work?
Or do you just accept that two hundred years of diverse intellectual inquiry and physical experimentation encompassing everything from philosophy (which iterated logic) to molecular physics is a forutnate anomaly of your personal experience that miraculpously allows you to challenge all the processes that have delivered you to this level of existence with all it’s sureties of comfort and reliabiltiy?
In other words, why are you here and not libing in a cave, sure in the lnowledge that the manmade world is a complete fiction?
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:05 pmdamn, my typing sucks today!
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 pmComment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
What the heck, I’ve wasted my time before.
Generally, if a country has an airport and/or seaport, they keep accurate tabs on weather. And, generally, they share this data, in good faith. It’s bad politics to let an airliner fly into a tornado.
And, scientists are fanatical about accuracy. However, individual readings lose their significance when one has enough samples to plot an average.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:10 pmSo the premise is that we have books and books of temperature statistics from Antarctica to the North Pole, including third world countries.
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
Yes. The thermometer was invented by Galilieo in the 1500’s. Of course the church you attend probably still refuses to apologize to Galileo for claiming the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:11 pmNo Jason, open-minded people test facts over time and if they remain proven they are maintained as facts, or else they are replaced with new facts that are supported by a greater preponderance of data that deliver predicatibale and repeatable results.
If you are so desperately in need of an education, why don’t you take some scinece clases?
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm“Science classes” — excuse me
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmPointing to a “cold snap” as evidence to refute climate change is like waving around obituaries from the newspaper as evidence against population growth.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:23 pmSo Jason, what’s your theory, acquired from all your years of research on this planet? Is everything really going to be okay after all? Do let us know!
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:24 pmAnd you dind;t andswer my question so I’ll reframe it. How does your computer work?
that cooling, foxnatics, is the cooling-off of Fox News’ ratings, not to be confused with weather in the “reality-based” community.
197 – i can tell you worked pretty hard on your fruit fly story there, but it’s still D work, because you ignore (i assume intentionally) lots of other data and methods climate scientists use. with some work, your argument will be good to convince some jr. high kids though, so keep at it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm“Apparently the “Hebrew Exodus from Egypt†in supposedly 1100 B.C caused a precipitous rate of cooling.”
Comment by 5th Estate — March 3, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Okay, I know I am going to regret this—–but why would that cause cooling? A lack of comedians, bankers, and doctors around the pyramids?
I knew a girl in college who studied ancient Egyptian plumbing. She was a pharoah faucet major!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pmThis is how idiotic this ‘THEORY ‘ is:
Comment by jason54301
are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pmHere’s a bit I copied some while back. I think it was from NASA, but, I must have deleted the bookmark. It pretty much sums up what we’re going round about.
The basic GISS temperature analysis scheme was defined in the late 1970s by James Hansen when a method of estimating global temperature change was needed for comparison with one-dimensional global climate models. Prior temperature analyses, most notably those of Murray Mitchell, covered only 20-90°N latitudes. Our rationale was that the number of Southern Hemisphere stations was sufficient for a meaningful estimate of global temperature change, because temperature anomalies and trends are highly correlated over substantial geographical distances. Our first published results (Hansen et al. 1981) showed that, contrary to impressions from northern latitudes, global cooling after 1940 was small, and there was net global warming of about 0.4°C between the 1880s and 1970s.
The analysis method was documented in Hansen and Lebedeff (1987), showing that the correlation of temperature change was reasonably strong for stations separated by up to 1200 km, especially at middle and high latitudes. They obtained quantitative estimates of the error in annual and 5-year mean temperature change by sampling at station locations a spatially complete data set of a long run of a global climate model, which was shown to have realistic spatial and temporal variability.
This derived error bar only addressed the error due to incomplete spatial coverage of measurements. As there are other potential sources of error, such as urban warming near meteorological stations, etc., many other methods have been used to verify the approximate magnitude of inferred global warming. These methods include inference of surface temperature change from vertical temperature profiles in the ground (bore holes) at many sites around the world, rate of glacier retreat at many locations, and studies by several groups of the effect of urban and other local human influences on the global temperature record. All of these yield consistent estimates of the approximate magnitude of global warming, which has now increased to about twice the magnitude that we reported in 1981.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm#193
“I don’t question my computer, I can see and use my computer.”
So you don’t question what you can see and use. Do you see the electrical potential that powers your computer and makes it function? If you can’t see it (and I know you can’t) how can you know you are using it? YOu don;t know how it works.
YOu can;t see global warming, and you can;t use it, yet apparently you can question it? Actually what you are doing is not “questioning” it
honestly, you are trying to refute it’s basis my simply posing questions derived from ignorance.
“Do you base global warming theory by stepping out your front door and deciding it is warmer outside than yesterday?”
No, but that’s clearly how you determine global conditions and the world around you. YOu don;t question what you can see and use. If it is cold one day when you step out your fron door you posit that there is no such thing as global warming.
I’m done with this exchange. The next time your computer tells you that you are the 999-thousandth visitor to a website and you;ve won a free laptop—don’t question it, I’m sure you’ll get that laptop!
Adios!
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pmMy theory, is that CO2 emissions are NOT responsible for the Earth Warming.
Comment by jason54301
Who are you. Real scientists with real data……you have a computer look it up…..have a different theory. Who do you think I should listten to? You aren’t very convincing and I don’t think you are even being taken seriously here anymore.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm#202 Keith
“Okay, I know I am going to regret this—–but why would that [Hebrew Exodus] cause cooling? A lack of comedians, bankers, and doctors around the pyramids?
You are going to regret it. Keith, because I can’t top ‘pharoah faucet major’ ! :D
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 pmComment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
Faux News and Conservapedia?
Garbage in. Garbage out.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pmJason-try this. read it and get back to us.
http://www.ipcc.ch/
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pmjason54301:
The science behind anthropogenic global warming goes back almost 200 years. We’ve known for about 150 years that CO2 is a major greenhouse-gas. We’ve known about global warming due to increasing CO2-levels in the atmosphere for a hundred years. And about 30 years ago the science was pretty much settled (read my previous post and the NRC-report from 1979). The theory does not rely on temperature records. It relies on well known physics.
If you want to learn the history of climate-science I suggest you read this. Its a long read but really interesting. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html
Its by Spencer Weart a physicist and science historian.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pmJason-I’ll help you out because you seem REAL slow.
http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/graphics/ar4-wg1/ppt/figure01.ppt
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pmThats right, you don’t take it serious because you fear anyone questioning YOUR religious doctrine, global warming.
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
i don’t take you seriously because you and frauds such as the Heartland Inst, Media Research Center and Faux News are not credible. it’s that simple.
i’m not qualified to propose a theory on climate change and therefore, i trust and accept the explanations of those who are qualified. granted there are some climatologists who question the human impact of global warming, but the vast majority believe that it is real, significant and will intensify unless we take immediate action.
there’s 6.6 billion of us on the planet and we consume a hell of a lot! we’re taking carbon stores that took millions and millions of years to form and releasing it back into the atmosphere in a geologic blink of an eye! to think we can’t possibly have any affect on climate in either the short or long term is preposterous!
not long ago the prevailing thought was that the oceans were so large that they represented an unlimited source of food and could handle whatever crap humans dumped into them.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:31 pmdeplete or pollute the oceans? Little ol’ humans? Nah! Don’t worry! They’re vast!
I think jason should call NASA and tell them that they didn’t take into consideration that we get a lot of our heat from the sun and we are orbiting around it. I think they would enjoy a good laugh.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:31 pmI think jason should call NASA and tell them that they didn’t take into consideration that we get a lot of our heat from the sun and we are orbiting around it. I think they would enjoy a good laugh.
Comment by Keith — March 3, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
yeah and daylight savings time starts march 9th! that means an extra hour of daylight, which will only make matters worse!
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pmmore daylight = more heat
;)
#208 Jason
This comment of yours does deserve a response, despite my “adios” I’m not aware of any specific electrical abacus but I’m glad you have a a greater depth of knowledge than some I’ve met who have known how to use A PC (better than I it has to be said) for their own purposes but without knowing how they work and thus ignorant of how they sometime DON’T work!
NO I don’t want an entire history of computer, I know a fair amount of it–Babbage, Byron’s companion Ada who conceived the essentials of input, calculation, output and ‘memory’ as a system, the relevance of weaving machines, Boolean Algebra (something you seem not to apply in your arguments on ANY subject) and moving on about a century the Turing machine, Colossus, ENIAC, the origin of “bug” the invention of the transistor that replaced valves, the doping techique that reducec transisitors still further, the contributions of Neumann and Berners Lee cetera ad nauseum.
I also know how about the IEE and the ITU and Manchester encoding and RTZ encoding and packet routing and DNS and many of the particulars of ARCNET, and Token RIng and Ethernet and star, mesh and unbound networks and so on and so forth and funnily enough I worked for Dell and Acer and IBM and even Apple as a service technician and then as a consultant to fortune 100 companies because apparently I knew my stuff.
But what ballfes me is that you don’t seem to be able to apply your knowledge of the principles of computing which is defintievely ‘logic’
as described by Boole (long before the PC became a reality) who identified 7 operators that could be applied to any argument on their own or as part of a sequence, each output serving as a result and/or an input for the next argument.
Like I’ve been trying to point out to you, you don;t seem to apply what you know, and what you;ve learned in a coherent and practical fashion as far as your comments here are concerned.
So that’s definitely it from me.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm130 years of data, UNDENIABLE PROOF the Earth is going to burn. The Earth is 4.5 Billion years old…the Sun will consume it in 7.5 Billion years. So we’ve measured 130 out of 12 Billion Years, and concluded that we are destroying the earth.
This is how idiotic this ‘THEORY ‘ is:
Comment by jason54301 — March 3, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Are you for real? You think we have only 130 years of data? Let me give you a word for the day: ROCKS. Not the rocks between your ears. Rocks. The history of Earth is preserved in strata of rocks all around the world. There’s all sorts of interesting clues preserved perfectly in rocks (as well as in other substances but I don’t want to confuse you). The iridium found in rocks was the smoking gun that the dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid over a hundred million years ago.
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:22 pmComment by jason54301
funny to watch these folks who deny real science but accept the bible as fact…..or rush…..they are interchangable as far as fact is concerned. They are a product of our American Educational process…..aren’t we proud?
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:32 pmI was in the Smithsonian Natural History Museum couple of weeks ago and there is an exhibit on the Ice Ages. There is a little part that must have been made in the 70s. It said “Are we headed into another Ice Age? Over the past 50 years, temperatures have been getting cooler and ice sheets have been growing…”
Ah! Extrapolation can take you to some great places!
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:56 pmWe can all fight AGW at the federal level with a “carbon taxâ€; say 50 cents per gallon on gasoline to start. Then at the state level we can capture all the toxic co2 and tax the polluter to include auto tax , tax damns, coal fired generators of electricity, so this will get passed down as higher heating bills, electric bills, it doubled this year and will make all thing that use energy to increase and cost more. Washington State estimated 2.16 Billion dollars per year of taxes all passed down to YOU!!
Solutions of ethanol are causing all things in the food chain to increase, corn fed beef, chicken, corn products much higher food bills all passed down to you.
Energy saving CLF bulbs have toxic mercury in them so when you break one just call out HASMET
(Hazardous materials) They clean up toxic mercury.
Sounds good and coming to your state soon! Do you know how you are affected in your state government?
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 pmI believe global warming is happening, so it’s with completely innocence that I ask what people make of this story that claims:
Again, I’m simply wondering if anyone has found a reason for this.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:05 amI am writing this strictly out of curiosity and a desire to learn. I was in a lengthy, detailed, and admittedly persuasive conversation with a global warming skeptic several weeks ago, and I did not know how to knowledgeably respond to several of his points. I’m hoping somewhere here can answer these specific questions, which I found to be the most problematic.
1. What should I say when he brings up the weather records from 1,000 years ago that showed Greenland and other now tundran Northern Hemisphere land masses so warm that they were arable? The man-made carbon levels couldn’t have been anywhere near as high back then as they are today, and yet it was far warmer then than it is now.
2. He also showed me a chart that indicated that thousands of weather stations in the coldest parts of the world (such as Siberia) were shut down in the 1990s after the end of the Cold War, and as a consequence some of the recent temperature averages were artificially skewed upwards. Is this true?
3. Finally, he said that carbon levels in the atmosphere do not correspond as closely to temperature averages in the last 100 years as “solar activity” corresponds to temperature averages. He had a chart that showed this. In other words, he said that the sun predominantly drives temperature, not carbon levels.
I’d really appreciate someone showing me some factual ways to respond to these challenges.
Thanks!
March 4th, 2008 at 1:30 amRick, if you find your answers elsewhere, please post them on here so I can hear about it as well. Those are good questions.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:40 amI would consider emailing one of the experts here at CAP. They respond pretty quickly.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:40 amI believe global warming is happening, so it’s with completely innocence that I ask what people make of this story that claims:
All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year’s time. For all four sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Again, I’m simply wondering if anyone has found a reason for this.
Comment by thirdparty — March 4, 2008 @ 1:05 am
The story is based on a silly blogpost by meterologist and climate-sceptic Anthony Watts. Note just because you’re a “meterologist” doesnt mean you understand climate-science as Watts is the perfect illustration of.
Tamino at Open Mind picks the post (or a very similar Watts-post which is now removed) apart here
March 4th, 2008 at 4:33 amhttp://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/
Questions by RickC — March 4, 2008 @ 1:30 am
1. Middle ages were warm. Its called the MWP and is a favorite sceptic/denialist counter-argument. But all global temperature reconstructions show the middle ages were colder than today.
But scientists dont depend on temperature reconstructions to know global warming will continue. Its the physics that matters
2. Not true. I dont know about the “thousands” of Siberian stations but any way scientists dont simply compute an average of all temperature measurements. The temperature data is area weighted so that smaller regions with lots of weather stations like Europe and US dont dominate the global mean temperature.
3. Not true. Study after study the last 3-4 years have all dismissed the Sun as a cause of the last 3 decades of warming. CO2 doesnt correlate 100% with global temperatures because CO2 is far from the only thing affecting climate.
You can even check for yourself. Compare the temperature-record with any graph over the Suns activity, TSI, sunspots, cosmic rays etc. You’ll realize the Suns been stable for 50 years while temperatures have skyrocketed. That does not mean solar acitivity doesnt affect climate or temperature but its not th cause of the current global warming.
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Realclimate is a very good source of information on climate-change. A good start:
March 4th, 2008 at 5:12 amhttp://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/
It must be true I heard it on Fox….
March 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pmEverything makes sense when you look at the graphs from the Vostok Ice cores. Earth goes through a predictable pattern of long ice ages which are separated by comparatively warm intervals called interglaciations. The ice ages last about 100,000 years and the warm intervals last about 12,000 years.
This pattern has nothing to do with human activity, as it goes back before modern man was here. CO2 always rises with the temperature.
Our current warm interval – The Holocene – is almost over. The previous warm interval – The Eemian – was way hotter than todays Holocene. If humans had been around 125,000 years ago there would have been some Al Gore type pointing to the rising temperature and CO2 and blaming it on human activity.
I encourage all Global Warming alarmists to look at the Vostok graphs. You will quickly see that everything happens in a natural cycle. Read up on the |Holocene and the Eemian.
Nothing new is happening. Mother Nature has her own patterns we barely understand. Humans don’t have the ability to control the climate. That’s ego and self-congratulatory backslapping taken to an unprecedented level.
And one more thing – look at the Sea Level history charts that go back 18,000 years. Now there’s a big reality check if you can handle it. The charts show a trend that is decreasing and about to plateau.
Wake up and don’t get suckered in by the carbon-taxers.
Since 1659, the hottest Central England temperatures are:
winter – 1869, followed by 1834
spring – 1893 followed by 1945
summer – 1976 followed by 1826
autumn – at last success for global warming, 2006, but followed by 1730, 1731 and 1729. This year ranked number 42 out of 349 years.
Political propaganda is NOT science. UK court says Gore is a fraud. August 2007 Update: Man-made Catastrophic Global Warming Not True. Unfortunately, Hansen is a political hack of George Soros. Further, flawed NASA Global Warming data paid for by George Soros. In order to be an intelligent reader you must have a basic knowledge. Please do your own homework; a starting point http://www.InteliOrg.com/ Remember CONSENSUS is NEVER science it’s always a POLITICAL STATEMENT (a Party Line).
Over the last century the graph for temperature and the graph for CO2 actually bear little resemblance to each other.
March 5th, 2008 at 3:16 amIf you look at ice core data to determine this relationship over the last series of ice ages then it appears that the temp rise leads the CO2 rise by about 800yrs. The logic is that the warming oceans released CO2 because the gas is less soluble in the warmer water.
I don’t think any one has replied to Jimbeaux, about how this year can be the 7th warmest etc if global warming has stopped.
It is certainly true that 1998 at 0.546 degrees Celsius above average was the warmest year since proper records began to be kept in 1850. Global warming is a bit like putting on weight. Once the pounds are on you do not start back at your ideal weight next year. The warming that happened recently will have its effect for some time to come. However using the Met Office Data these are the figures for how much the years 2001 -2006 were above average: 0.409, 0.464, 0.473, 0.447, 0.482, 0.422. The figure for 2007 is estimated to be 0.41 above average. The trend is now actually moving downwards (admittedly not yet in a statistically significant way).
All of these figures are higher than any other year in the list since 1850, except 1998. That is why we see some effects of warmer temperatures. However the word warming implies that we are getting more warm. David Whitehouse is therefore correct when he says that global warming has stopped. We are still warm, but we are not getting any warmer. The IPCC report assumed a trend of ever rising temperatures which is not happening at present.
http://www.inteliorg.com/co2_climate_change.html
Thanks Galmud.
March 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pmThese conferences are nothing more than shams. While there is a general consensus there is climate change, the right wing likes to hold these media events and then point to them as if they are evidence not everyone agrees with the scientific community.
In essence, these events are hp omnibook xe battery,hp omnibook xe2 battery stating pollution is okay, which is ridiculously idiotic.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:13 am