Fox Trumpets Global Warming Denier Conference: ‘We Should Be Worried About Global Cooling’
Fox Trumpets Global Warming Denier Conference: ‘We Should Be Worried About Global Cooling’
This morning, Fox and Friends trumpeted the Exxon-funded Heartland Institute’s global warming skeptics conference, taking place this week in New York City. Fox hosted Dan Gainor, the vice president of the Business and Media institute, a group run by the right-wing Media Research Center.
Fox host Steve Doocy used to segment to tout the “bitterly cold” weather and the “worst winter,” suggesting global warming is a sham:
Despite it being bitterly cold outside in the Northern plains, we hear a lot about global warming, and that we better do something to fix it or we’re doomed. But is there another side to this story? Many scientists would say yes, but most media outlets, the mainstream media, only cover Al Gore’s earth has a fever perspective. […] In fact, last week we were reporting that this is the worst winter in some parts of America and around the world, and perhaps we should be worried now about global cooling.
Watch it:
Despite Doocy’s complaint that the “mainstream media” ignores the “other side” of the global warming debate, Joe Romm points out that the media regularly gives attention to global warming skeptics — such as Gainor himself.
Worse, the media has recently picked up reports of this year’s “unusually” cold winter, a favorite argument among global warming deniers. Like Doocy, many mainstream outlets are using false ideas of extreme cold weather to point to possible “global cooling.”
Yet in fact, this winter has not been “unusual” in any respect. A report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration proved that December was the 13th warmest on record since 1880. What’s more, “the contiguous U.S. temperature during January 2008 was near average.”
A chart prepared by NASA’s Goddard Institute clearly shows that the climate continues to warm, with the eight warmest years on record occurring since 1998.
This staged conference “proves” little more than that a group funded by Big Oil can easily attract sham scientists to tout the industry’s line.
UPDATE: DeSmogBlog is tracking the conference on the ground.
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we don’t need no stinkin logic!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 pmCold snap sparks debate?
Among who? Itchy & Scratchy?
Folks, the graph goes up. Suck it up.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pmbut, but, but………… I thought “the debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
GOOD ONE, GIGI!!!
A Faux News report trumpeting a Deniers Conference funded by the Extraction Industries is evidence of a “debate”.
Very droll, Gigi. Thanks for the laugh on a Monday morning.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmAre these the same bozos who founded the Flat Earth Society? They are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but the facts scream pretty loudly that something is going on and we should be very concerned. Persistent denial is not going to change those facts, but will cause us to lose valuable time and critical thinking on the many ways we can address the causes of this condition.
Or, right, I almost forgot. It’s just that dang liberal media again!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmDamn camelid, you beat me again.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmWarming can cause both extreme heat and cold, as well as large storms, hence the tornados and large storms the world over.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm“Jimmy and Mary, what do you wanna be when you grow up?”
“We wanna be sham scientists, Daddy!!”
“Ahhh, good, you’ll always be employed.”
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmDespite the real problem of global warming and rising sea levels, I’m moving my wife and 2 kids to Panama (the country) if the job I’m eyeing comes through. Seriously. Great standard of living, low crime, tropical climate, etc. The ONLY problem with Panama is their currency is tied 1-to-1 to the US Dollar. Maybe they’ll wise up and tie it to the Euro soon.
I’m so fed up with the system here, that I can’t stand it anymore. The Dems will cave on Telecom immunity, and that will be the straw that breaks this camel’s back.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmHey, ralph. The debate is always over for gg — even before it begins. Such is life for an organism with an IQ lower than a rock.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm.
Excess moisture in winter climates WILL result in larger snowfall and snow packs in the higher elevations… DUH! But it doesn’t indicate a cooling trend.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pmReal Science vs. Republican Science.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 pmMy heating bill doubled this winter compared to the last two years, therefore it MUST be getting colder otherwise my bills would be lower!
Also milk is thirty percent more expensive than two years ago so cows are making more money which means the tax cuts must be working!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmA world population chart imposed over the temp chart would be interesting.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmbut, but, but………… I thought “the debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
The debate is over about Global Sphericism, too. That doesn’t stop Flat-Earthers like Thomas Friedman from continuing to argue.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmLet’s see… statistics show a severe downturn across the board in the nation’s economy.
Wingnuts say “Nuh-uh.”
Statistics show a steady warming trend in the global climate.
Wingnuts say “Nuh-uh.”
Damn. That must be some powerful media that can manipulate statistics in the national economy and the global climate to make things look worse than they are, just to embarrass Republicans.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmSo how could the weather be “normal†or “near average†if the world is melting? No inconsistency there.
Comment by Gin — March 3, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Oh poor Gin. Poor, sad, Bathtub Gin. Still not getting it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmGG-draw a french curve on that chart.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmI see. A bad winter this year in some parts has completely debunked global warming? Isn’t this a little bit like looking out a window, seeing that it’s sprinkling outside, and confidently declaring that the drought is over?
People who don’t want to admit that global warming is a problem will clutch onto any shred of “evidence” that supports their belief. Never mind looking at the big picture. Never mind looking at graphs of mean temperatures that have been steadily climbing. Never mind polar ice melting at accelerated rates. Never mind all the models done by the scientific community. The fact that Chicago has a lot of snow trumps all that evidence, doesn’t it?
This sounds like the guy who refuses to believe that seat belts save lives. Despite all the existing evidence to support that, he will cling tenaciously to a story told by a friend of a friend — about how that friend’s uncle’s boss’s daughter was thrown from her car in a collision and thus “saved”, whereas if she had been wearing her seat belt, she would have been crushed to death.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmThe world is melting? That’s a new one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmI’m sure the ADD crowd was thoroughly convinced.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmThe debate is over about Global Sphericism, too. That doesn’t stop Flat-Earthers like Thomas Friedman from continuing to argue.
Comment by toasterhead
Actually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmI prefer this chart which is on a wingnut blog.
Comment by goon_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
Here. Fixed it for you.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmDOUBLE UGH! GRRRRRR… I don’t have the stomach or the patients for teh s00pr st00peds today. Normally I do but not today. Maybe if stupidity was painful more people would shy away from it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmoh and where were these “scientists” back when we had in NJ a total of 37 snow storms in 94 and 95 and weeks of temps with highs of 18 degrees and lows of 9 degrees? Why didn’t they start predicting a new Ice Age back then?
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pmgood golly never lets her brain get in the way of the facts.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmthis drives me crazy - how hard is it to understand?
weather=conditions now
climate=conditions over the long term
hence, weather changes constantly and does not necessarily correlate with long term climate conditions
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pmNASA: Greatest scientific institution in the world.
Noel Sheppard: Economist and business owner.
Tough one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmgood golly never lets her brain get in the way of the facts.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 3, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Don’t you have that backwards? Uh, no, I guess not. Never mind.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmThese conferences are nothing more than shams. While there is a general consensus there is climate change, the right wing likes to hold these media events and then point to them as if they are evidence not everyone agrees with the scientific community.
In essence, these events are stating pollution is okay, which is ridiculously idiotic.
It truly baffles me the right wing of this country feels more threatened by gay marriage than evironmental degradation.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmIf one doesn’t understand the fundamental difference between climate and weather, temperature and heat, one can’t understand the issues with climate change.
Let’s face it. Wingnuts don’t do subtlety.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmGG-said - I prefer this chart which has far more data.
I see besides, that it is total bull$hit ,that it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm“and perhaps we should be worried now about global cooling.”
You know, depending on where you live, he’s right!
My understanding is that the melting ice up north is affecting the conveyer belt (slowing it down), which affects the gulf stream, which will probably mean that England, for example, will be getting much harsher winters in the near future.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmI prefer this chart which has far more data.
http://www.newsbusters.org/ blogs/ noel-sheppard/ 2007/ 11/ 12/ global-temperature-chart-not-gore-s-movie
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
And it’s already been debunked: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=7
Past volcanic eruptions do not have anything to do with current climate change, which can only be explained by anthropoegenic origins.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 pmGG-are Randy and Cliff in NY today dor the big conference?
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmGood golly in #23:
Your link to a chart is to NewsBusters.org : “Exposing Liberal Media Bias” funded by Media Research Center which states on their website they are a ” conservative media watchdog group dedicated to bringing political balance to the news and entertainment media.”
The chart above is from NASA.
Who should I believe? NASA or your right-wing site? Hmmmmm….
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmHow can you guys continue to deny the truth of Gigi’s sources? I mean, after all, the only chart TP produces comes from the Far-left “NASA”, whereas Gigi turns to a respected news agency like Newsbusters.
There, there, Gigi, it’ll be all right… everything will be fine… the earth isn’t warming due to human activities and the economy is “shtrong”. The surge is working and Bush is the new Lincoln. It’s all good, Gigi.
Now repeat that three times while clicking your heels together.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmdor=for
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmIsn’t it embarrassing to be as stupid as these Fox guys act? Goofy? Ginhead? Perhaps one of you would like to answer the question with all the first hand knowledge you two have.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pmWent to see gg’s chart and it shows the swings in temp change to becoming increasingly more violent and drastic. So I’m not convinced gg, that your “chart” makes any real case for your argument.
Temps are rising, glaciers are melting and more water is being put into our atmosphere. This will alter weather patterns. The causes of this can be debated for eternity. To deny this is happening is ignorance.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pmI see besides, that it is total bull$hit ,that it goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
Comment by Joefriday — March 3, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
6000 years?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 pmNow repeat that three times while clicking your heels together.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
Goofy wears ruby slippers, I should have known. And he’s waiting for the Wizard to restore the polar ice caps. He never could understand the guy behind the curtain thing, too freakin’ stupid.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmgigi, I still have your hubby on the line, should I ask him to bring home a dozen eggs and a gallon of milk for you?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmZoo did I need a :) for that one? 6000 years?
Comment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmActually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
DAMN YOU VAN DER WAALS!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming when you think Global Warming. Not that any of the deniers would pay attention, but the others might find this interesting.
Global Dimming explains why some places will be colder and others warmer.
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/sample.php (more than a trailer for the documentary)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ sn/ tvradio/ programmes/ horizon/ dimming_prog_summary.shtml
http://www.globalissues.org/ EnvIssues/ GlobalWarming/ globaldimming.asp
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmAnd this is the station that DEMANDS that Obama participate to make them appear legitimate?
HA!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmThat does it. I’m throwing away my convinctions, turning my back on facts, getting myself some fake credentials and become a sham scientist willing to say anything for large sacks of cash from big money polluters that need plausible falsehoods.
Perhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmPerhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Sorry, ToonGuy… trolls all work for minimum wage.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmMs_Joanne,
Stop it! you’re confusing the trolls. Fox told them not to worry. Facts will only make their brains hurt.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmThe fact that Chicago has a lot of snow trumps all that evidence, doesn’t it?
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
Pretty much, yeah. I mean, why spend all that time reading through hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed studies when you can just open a window?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmPerhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Sorry, ToonGuy, the trolls just answered craigslist ads for this gig. They only know what they’re told.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmSo I’m not convinced gg, that your “chart†makes any real case for your argument.
Comment by hellinabucket
I think it is a very well presented chart, very scientific. NOte the use of constrasting colors: blue and orange to describe cold and warm, respectively. There is more, note that depending on the amplitude of the temperature oscillations says: COLD/WARM or VERY COLD/WARM.
And finally, at the bottom of the VERY COLD wave, it says: 54.3 ºF? Cause they don’t know for sure!!!
WE are in presence of a superior chart, made by superior minds.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmD’oh! There’s those pesky facts again. It is so hard to let go of reality once you’ve accepted it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pmThat does it. I’m throwing away my convinctions, turning my back on facts, getting myself some fake credentials and become a sham scientist willing to say anything for large sacks of cash from big money polluters that need plausible falsehoods.
Perhaps the trolls can tell me where to sign up.
Comment by TheToonGuy — March 3, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
A lobotomy is mandatory. Not that GG and the other trolls miss now the chunk of brain lacking, but, well, maybe you want to know it, BEFORE the trollification.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pmBlasphemer!!! Didn’t you hear? “The debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
The debate is over among scientists and intelligent, rational people. You science deniers will continue to debate climate change, evolution, and the Copernican Model for eternity.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
Comment by tom — March 3, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Nope. Those dimmings you mentioned are very, very local. Although they do struggle mightily to expand their dimming, it’s not global quite yet.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmSteve Doocy claims that one or two months of cold weather constitutes a trend. Now that’s scientific.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmBlasphemer!!! Didn’t you hear? “The debate is over.â€
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
GG is pulling your legs. He’s an agitator and nothing more. He doesn’t believe this (as you can tell by his response above). He’s having fun yanking our chains.
Ignore this idiot. He craves attention and you’re giving it to him.
Kids with nothing better to do.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:12 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Geez, ralph… are follering me around these days?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmKids with nothing better to do.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Or perhaps a retiree… ya never know…
But yes, this one is just an agitator looking for attention.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmIgnore this idiot. He craves attention and you’re giving it to him.
Kids with nothing better to do.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
Gigi enjoys getting the spit slapped out of her?
I’ve read about people like that.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmWE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT AMERICAN STUPIDITY
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmGeez, ralph… are follering me around these days?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
Great minds, TRoS. Great minds.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmThe debate is not over.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmIt’s funny that they held their conference in NYC today. We’ve experienced yet another record warm winter here (temps today are in the 50’s). I wonder how many of these fact challenged pseudo-scientists, on their way to the conference, commented what a beautiful warm day we’re having here in NYC. I think I pulled out my snow shovel twice in the last two years and my wife and I have been marveling that the local squirrels haven’t even hibernated this year, they’re just running around the yard looking for more food to dig up and eat. Well, at least they’ve completely aerated my lawn. Nope, no warming going on here, move along, nothing to see.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Translation: deniers will drag this on forever rather than learn a damn thing.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 pmA world population chart imposed over the temp chart would be interesting.
Comment by Bushie — March 3, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
BINGO, Bushie!
the only real solution to global warming and all the other environmental atrocities is human population control! What poor mother earth needs is about a century or two of negative human population growth. Clearly, she can’t handle six billion of us SOBs.
We all should be doing everything we possibly can to reduce our carbon footprint, but let’s face it, with respect to the production of greenhouse gases, that’s putting a band-aid on a hemorrhaging wound.
http://www.npg.org
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Yes it is.
Your move.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
You’re absolutely right. The scientific consensus on gravity is still being tested.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 pmWOW! That first link is the whole film on Global Dimming. About 18 minutes into it it talks about the Maldives (north and south) and the difference between them and the pollution they emit and the effect on the clouds. Goes to what #73 was saying.
FASCINATING stuff!
Watch it. http://www.documentary-film.net/search/sample.php
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmGigi, your hubby told me he needs to “talk” with me because his wife is frigid. What did he mean by that? I guess global warming hasn’t made it to your bedroom yet.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmThe debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
The “debate” over global warming is like the “debate” over whether waterboarding is torture.
It is a bullsh!t “debate” contrived by the Republicans and the Corporations, while a majority of real scientists have a consensus.
Yes, Virginia, there is a problem with Global Warming and waterboarding is Torture. Take your head out of your rear end now and then, and smell the polluted air.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 pmSorry missmolly.I meant good golly. You aren’t the same person are you?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pmTry understanding the concept of Global Dimming
Isn’t this the malady that gg suffers from — along with such other notables as GDumbya, Limpballs, Tommy Delay, etc.?
Comment by tom — March 3, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
I think they suffer from “Lobal Dimming”.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmI prefer this chart which has far more data.
http://www.newsbusters.org/ blogs/ noel-sheppard/ 2007/ 11/ 12/ global-temperature-chart-not-gore-s-movie
Comment by good_golly — March 3, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
And it’s already been debunked: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=7
Past volcanic eruptions do not have anything to do with current climate change, which can only be explained by anthropoegenic origins.
Comment by toasterhead — March 3, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
And here’s another response to good_golly’s chart — with an explanation of who Cliff Harris and Randy Mann (the creators of the chart) are:
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 11/ what-hell-is-long-range-weather.html
And now we know the “truth” — there IS such a thing as global warming. And we must do everything we can to hasten it to bring about The Rapture.
Just when you didn’t think things could get any sillier…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 pmYou aren’t the same person are you?
Comment by Cal Malenky
About as possible as the earth is flat.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm(If you’re from Oklahoma or Kansas, Cal, then I’ll have to find another meta-phor you.)
Actually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
No, no, no. It’s sinking close to the poles becaaaaause people eat more the colder it gets, and obviously as you near the poles it gets colder, therefore the people are fatter and they push the ground level more than the thin people in the tropics.
Yay! I can be a crackpot scientist too! Now where’s my money?
Oh, I almost forgot. It’s the liberals fault that polar people eat more. And it’s probably Clinton’s fault too.
There. RightWingnut Transformation Complete. Now where’s my money?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmSorry missmolly.I meant good golly. You aren’t the same person are you?
Comment by Cal Malenky — March 3, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
No, we are definitely not the same person. Furthermore, I was “missmolly” long before he was “good_golly”.
We both post here a lot, but I think you will find our political views are rather different from each other.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmI think they suffer from “Lobal Dimmingâ€.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Good one!!! May the Snark be with you!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmWe both post here a lot, but I think you will find our political views are rather different from each other.
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
I think we could say it’s like the diference between oil and clean water.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pmI like that Shayne…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmThe FOX pundits should also be worried about Lobal Drooling.
Now where’s my money?
Comment by Luis M — March 3, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Fox News is looking for you, my son. They need a new lead Science Editor, and you… are… just… PERFECT!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmAnd with you too TRoS. And that goes for the Llama too.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmJust when you didn’t think things could get any sillier…
Comment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
LOL nice one, that was a good link.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmI think that one left a big smoking crater where golly_goofy was standing.
I can hear it now. When the Gulf Stream reverses after Greenland’s ice melts, Northern Europe will experience another Ice Age and Fux News will think they’re right about Global Warming.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmAnd there will be more deserts in more equatorial regions.
I am humbled, Shayne.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmGreat minds, TRoS. Great minds.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Hoookay… ralph… yer offin tha hook fer now… but I’ll be keepin’ an eye on you… and no, I’m not a cyclops…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmI wonder if anyone at Fox “news” saw the photograph of Bush with the Danish PM at Crawford where Bush is wearing a short-sleeve shirt on February 29, 2008?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pmSorry for the mixup. Blame it on Little Richard.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmSorry for the mixup. Blame it on Little Richard.
Comment by Cal Malenky — March 3, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Yeah, I’m just waiting for somebody named “Tutti Fruiti” to join the party. :-)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmI think that one left a big smoking crater where golly_goofy was standing.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
Yer killing me this morning, Wayne. =)
That and the comment, about “prices may vary…”
Geez, folks are on fire here this morning. And it’s only Monday too.
Everyone drinkin’ double lattes or sumpin this morning?
“big smoking crater”… sorry, but I’m gonna hafta steal that one…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmComment by missmolly — March 3, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Aw, Christmas, missmolly… don’t give the trolls any ideas.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmThe stupidity of a significant portion of America is just downright amazing. Global warming causes radical changes in weather . . . both cold and hot. BUT . . . I mean, c’mon . . . knuckle draggers don’t let no science get in the way. The Earth is only 6k years old and Jeebus is coming back soon driving a pick ‘em up, I mean think about it . . .they are too damned dumb to know that the term “global warming” doesn’t mean it heats up everywhere or that a warming can’t cause a cooling as glaciers melt, etc.
You make em dumb . . . we’ll make em Republican dumb!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmI wonder if anyone at Fox “news†saw the photograph of Bush with the Danish PM at Crawford where Bush is wearing a short-sleeve shirt on February 29, 2008?
Comment by smedley — March 3, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
So, was it Bush that stole Winter from Texas this year?
The B@stard!
The bugs this spring & summer are going to be horrendous, btw.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmHoookay… ralph… yer offin tha hook fer now… but I’ll be keepin’ an eye on you… and no, I’m not a cyclops…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
(solemnly): I understand.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmThe bugs this spring & summer are going to be horrendous, btw.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Ohhhh, I’d forgotten that benefit of being eyeball deep in snow.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmThanks, Wayne! :)
The debate is not over.
Comment by VA Voter — March 3, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Doctor No in da house.
BTW, nice scientific argument, the one of you.
Using your debate style, I can beat everyone, and never claim a defeat.
No need of facts, explaining of my posture, or reasoning, nor accepting other’s arguments or clarifications. No nothing.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pmActually the Earth is not a sphere, it is a little sunk in the poles due to the magnetic field. Earth is geoidal. But then again, I’m just messing around…
Comment by Juan C. — March 3, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
From Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmDude…let’s do another Inhofe dube..he’s got the best stuff from the cow pastures of Okla…
Oopss…that will be gone soon too!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm(solemnly): I understand.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 3, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Do I detect an ATTITUDE there, young llama?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmComment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
Hi Zooey :)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmThe Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Actually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmComment by Evil Spaniard — March 3, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
Hi Senor Evil. Great seeing you. :)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Ugh. Double whammy.
Limbaugh AND his middle. :P
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmThat guy sure has a nasty lisp. Should have gone to those speech classes. Hard to take that clown seriously. The fact that Exxon funds them pretty much dullifies their argument. And he blames the media as usual. Well I guess if your on the non-scientific side of the argument like him you don’t get much coverage unless your on Fox News. They take in all the garbage.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmFrom Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Don’t mess with my pear shapped planet! ;)
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmComment by techsong — March 3, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
That’s pretty low. I hardly think he’s in control of his speech impediment.
He is in control of his level of ignorance. Criticize him for that.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmhttp://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/ 2008/ 02/ 19/ january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 pmCriticize him for that.
Comment by Zooey — March 3, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Right! We got more ‘n enough good reasons to go snipe hunting here!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTo the flat earthers the Earth is only 5,000 years old. So one year, to them, is very representative.
To those who don’t reject science, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
One winter is called WEATHER. Think in terms of 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years. Now we’re talking about CLIMATE.
Even 10,000 years is only 1/450,000th of the existence of Earth.
The Planet is INCREDIBLY OLD, 1/3 the age of the Universe. That’s McCain-like old.
TP is defending climate change incorrectly. Don’t defend it by arguing about one winter or even ten winters.
Look at the long-term trend.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmFrom Andromeda we have a better view. The Earth bulges at the equator due to the moon’s gravitational pull.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
At least until the geomagnetic reversal ( North and South poles switching ), which has happened many times in the history of the earth.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
I am officially ill now.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTemperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling:
http://www.dailytech.com/ Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/ article10866.htm
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming….
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmLook at the long-term trend.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
And of course, right on schedule…
“january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months”
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 3, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
Geez, what bout the past 12 weeks, or days?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmWhat a BS Headline!
Those weren’t Trumpets Faux Snooze was using, they were kazoos!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmDamn, the last 12 seconds, I was freezing my ass off.
Oh, I was right under the HVAC grate.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
I am officially ill now.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Oops.. my bad… that wasn’t Limbaugh… it was UrAnus…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmwhich has happened many times in the history of the earth.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Are you saying the very Earth itself is bi-polar?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmTemps are rising, glaciers are melting and more water is being put into our atmosphere. This will alter weather patterns. The causes of this can be debated for eternity. To deny this is happening is ignorance.
Comment by hellinabucket
And that is the point. If they are right, nothing happens. If we are right, we all die. Why take that chance.
Besides, how anyone can think that we can dump millions of pounds of pollutants into our atmosphere daily and there will be no negative effect is truly delusional.
In a way I wish they would stop calling it “Global Warming” and start calling it “Global Climate Change” because that is really what is happening. Because of our polluting our environment we are seeing serious changes in the climate all over the world. Some changes might be a good thing for a while (cold climates becoming warmer), but in the end it means the destruction of life on earth.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmTRoS is on fire!!
Look out! :-D
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmTo the moronic trolls on this thread I pose a question:
Are you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren that you are right and man is not causing the climate changes happening on this earth? Because if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pmHere in Texas we had an unusually warm winter.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmAre you saying the very Earth itself is bi-polar?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
Lets see, 1. North pole 2. South pole
Definitely bi-polar =)
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmThis whole threat has been a Snark-fest this morning, Z.
Wayne’s been killing me… Shayne, tha Llama, MsJ…
TP… the all Snark, all day channel…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmWinter up here in northern Europe 2007-2008 is the warmest on record. Its been close to spring temperatures. But I’m not an idiot like Steve Idiodoocy so I dont claim thats proof of global warming.
The scientific debate on the science basics of the AGW-theory, has been over and done with for almost 30 years. Theres an interesiting report by the US National Academy of Sciences from 1979 which basically says the same thing the IPCC said 28 years later. The only difference now we have a more science and observations so the uncertainties are lower.
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/ ~brianpm/ download/ charney_report.pdf
The denialists then appeared suddenly in the 1990s, “coincidentally” at the same time the world began discussing emission-cuts to adress the problem. Thus its not scientific scepticism. But “scepticism” fueled and funded by ideology and economic interests. Everybody but Fox news knows that. Or rather they know but dont see anything wrong with it.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm—-
Fox host Steve Doocy used to segment to tout the “bitterly cold†weather and the “worst winter,†suggesting global warming is a sham
—-
Fox News drops another Doocy.
Hey Doocy, go build your house on a glacier and then get back to us.
Thanks Dooc bag.
- Tom
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmBoth Roger2 and Napier point to the same source, but neither of them has bothered to read it, apparently. Here’s the update from the blog:
Emphasis added. Apologies accepted.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmBecause if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 3, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
The way these cretins (pronounced w/ a short e) love war, they’re doing that for a certain percentage of them anyways…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 pmHere in Texas we had an unusually warm winter.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
Start stocking on bug repellant before spring.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmDefinitely bi-polar =)
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
See? That explains the terrific mood swings the Earth is going thru…
Extreme, fluctuating temperatures and weather, wildly giddy one minute, very,very depressed the next…
I think the Earth is ready fer some strong meds…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmEmphasis added. Apologies accepted.
Comment by gummitch — March 3, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Aw, jeebus, you had ta go ‘n ruin R_R and CJ’s big moment…
Bad gummitch… bad gummitch…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pmRemember when just a few months ago our dear trollips were denying global cooling? Now they are promoting it.? Heh.
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmComment by raymundohpl — March 3, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Hmmm… there’s goes the morning Snark…
Me’thinks this one skipped the double latte and went right to the triple espresso…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmTemperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling:
http://www.dailytech.com/ Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/ article10866.htm
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming….
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 3, 2008 @ 2:02 pm
And MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA who will DROP DEAD in prison and BURN IN HELL for his LIES and GENOCIDE.
Heh.
Sing it LOUD!!!!:
“WHO’S ’sane’, HUSSEIN?
NOT ‘Bomb Bomb Iran’ McCain!!â€
Sincerely,
McNRA Gun Nut(e)s
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 pmActually, it means yer lookin’ at Rush Limbaugh, ‘n his belt is too tight…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Rush doesn’t need a belt, he wear spandex.
Hope everybody had a barf bag handy.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pmHey Nappy and R2Dumb2, you guys are reading off the same sheet at the same time. Please call Troll Central and find out who overscheduled you guys. That RNC can’t get anything right can they.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pmHope everybody had a barf bag handy.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Oh, thanks a LOT… and just when I thought we were friends, ‘n all…
On the other hand, this would give credence to the “Expanding Universe” theory… and when that poor Spandex reaches its limit, I guess we’ll finally get that Big Bang scientists are allus talkin’ ’bout, eh?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pmThat RNC can’t get anything right can they.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
It’s the result of outsourcing their trolling to the lowest bidder.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pmFrom CJN’s dailytech link:
While the data doesn’t itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let’s hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pmAre you willing to bet the lives of your children and grandchildren that you are right and man is not causing the climate changes happening on this earth? Because if you are wrong and nothing is done, you are signing their death warrants.
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 3, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Snap out of it bilbo, you’ve read these trolls. What are the chances they’ll ever have children? They can’t find their d*cks with both hands what are the chances they’d ever find a partner. And with Rethugs it’s all about me, me, me and mine, mine, mine anyway. Children and grandchildren, snort, too funny.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pmThat had to be said Shayne… ‘n you were the one ta do it!
Blogging is a dirty business, ‘n not fer tha squeamish, huh?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmThe linked GISS graph was graphed for the months of January only.
From CJNs dialytech link.
The chart was graphed for the MONTHS of January only.
What a SHAM!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmI guess we’ll finally get that Big Bang scientists are allus talkin’ ’bout, eh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Oh sure, whose side are you on? Rush has been looking for “The Big Bang” in Central America, right?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmIf only Ronald Reagan was around to ask if Global Warming is real. If he’d sign on, then we’d have a consensus on the subject.
When reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status. With the neocon monkey’s in charge, we’ll be back to breaking rocks in no time.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmWell, geez, Xisithrus… read the fine print on the trolls’ employment agreements. They’re only allowed to present sham arguments.
It’s right there in print… take a look.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmRush has been looking for “The Big Bang†in Central America, right?
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Ewwww… I’m gonna hafta flush my brain w/ Clorox after that…
Rinse, and repeat as many times as necessary…
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm“… When reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status.”
Comment by Innocent Bystander — March 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Ya mean, like having to debate whether or not water boarding is torture?
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmThe global climate change deniers are the same dumba$$es that think the jury is still out on evolution. To paraphrase Lewis Black, “What jury, where?” Throw a fossil at them and tell them to STFU they don’t deserve any intelligent discussion, they wouldn’t understand anyway.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmWhen reality becomes a political issue, this country can consign itself to the ‘late-great’ status.â€
Comment by Innocent Bystander — March 3, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Ya mean, like having to debate whether or not water boarding is torture?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 3, 2008 @ 2:33
That debate IS over, we have become the kind of country we used to make fun of.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmYes, TRoS, I see.
The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January “was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average.”
When I look at the ‘data’ these pundits are using, its cherrypicked. They are focusing on ONE month.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmwe have become the kind of country we used to make fun of.
Comment by Shayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
And disgusted by… don’t forget the disgust.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmAt least until the geomagnetic reversal ( North and South poles switching ), which has happened many times in the history of the earth.
Comment by Wayne — March 3, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Yes. And the poles are in the process of changing right now. Infact, the process is well under way. This won’t change the “shape” of the planet. It may wreck all our computers and temporarily expose us to some deadly cosmic rays which in the process corrupts the DNA of all living things. But other than that it should be fun.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmAsk the Venusians about Global Warming.
They listened to Exxon scientists too.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Humans and most of the crops and animals we depend on do NOT prefer a MEAN temp of 70 deg! That would be disastrous!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 pmSo what this data says is that from 1901-2008 the month of January in many towns, not ALL of them, has grown 0.3 degrees colder.
January, and only January got .03 colder over a one hundred year period in many, but not nearly all, American, not global, cities and towns!!
FOX folks are incapable, it appears, of disseminating data and critical thnking.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pmWin $150,000. Take the global warming challenge. http://www.globalwarmingchallenge.com
You can donate your winnings to your favorite tinfoil hat project.
raymundalpl, why don’t you move to a communist country if you like executions of those you are are jealous of.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pmHumans and most of the crops and animals we depend on do NOT prefer a MEAN temp of 70 deg! That would be disastrous!
Comment by LividLib
I agree, that was from the dailytech link CJN supplied.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pmhe mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
A global temp. of 70 degrees would cause a mass extinction of 99.9% within 100 years. All the methane in the oceans and permafrost would be released. That’s GAME OVER. Only things living undeground with food and water supplies could survive…such as Dick Cheney.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pmAccording to GG’s referenced chart (compiled in part by the hilariously named Randy Mann) “ whenever SOLAR IRRADIATION has DECREASED and VOLCANIC ACTIVITY has INCREASED global temperatures SUDDENLY PLUMMEToften within weeks or months‗yet according to the graph (where 57degrees F is declared “normal†without qualification) we find the following:
Actually I’ll skip to the end right here and say that not only is the chart GG linked to the work of an 8-year old’s reasoning, it actually accidentally proves not only the opposite of what it puprots in bold lettersm but proves the Global Warming/Temperature Change case,
Here’s the break-down if you want to read it:
10 eruptions occur at 1900 BC following and continuing a steep COOLING TREND that began in 2200 BC, so absolutely no cause and effect there.
25 eruptions occur during a WARMING TREND beginning 1600BC (the arrow on the chart identifying eruptions here is artfully misdirected into the chart’s trough rather than at the volcanic event “data points†on the rising line).
Apparently the “Hebrew Exodus from Egypt†in supposedly 1100 B.C caused a precipitous rate of cooling.
In 250 BC Vesuvius erupts near the very bottom of a cold trend and then on a WARMING PERIOD somewhere between 50BC and 0AD
35 volcanic eruptions occur on a WARMING TREND right near the “norm†of 57F.
That WARMING TREND continues to rise apparently with Jesus’s help and the assistance of the Roman Empire which apparently began in 0AD.
The BEST info is in the last part of the graph.
Between 1600 and 1800 “at least 90 major eruptions†that occur on a WARMING TREND that peaks in 1991 then an immediate COOLING trend (of 1.1 degrees) lasting one year from the eruption of Mount Pinatubo.
From 1992 to 1998 the temperature then returns to the 1991 level.
“AT LEAST 75 MAJOR TEMPERATURE SWINGS IN THE LAST 4.500 YEARS!â€
But as the volcanic activity on or at the COOLING TRENDS number 47 and the eruptions at or on WARMING TRENDS number 195 then if there’s any connection between volcanoes and global temperatures it is that volcanoes CONTRIBUTE to WARMING (I’m just using the specious simplistic arguments made by the chart’s authors to counter their claim with their own data).
It is also notable that volcanic activity seems at its greatest mostly below the 57 degree norm and where the temperature change seems to be steepest, either warm to cool or cool to warm, suggesting that volcanism is a result of steep temperature change (in temporal geologic terms), NOT a cause.
More significant still is the FREQUENCY OF TEMPERATURE CHANGE, combined with the AMPLITUDE.
The graph clearly shows a general progression of frequency in temperature change and the rate of change too.
From 1500 to 550 BC the global temperature was above normal, a period of 1000 years.
From 0AD to 550AD the above normal period is obviously 550 years. 900 to 1350 marks a period of 450 years but with a higher peak temperature.
From 1800 to 2007 we see a temperature rise much steeper than at any other time occurring over just 200 years. The span of the cold periods have changed less dramatically but the degree of change has also increased.
QED the palent is getting warmer, remarkably more rapidly than ever before, and this seems coincident with the increase in the global population and its heat-exchanging indistrial activities. from 1000 BC to 100 AD human pop. estimated at 310 million (2000 years).
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pmFrom 1000AD to 1800 (800 years) it;s a little less than 1 Billion;
From 1800 to 2000 it’s increased to 6 Billion, coincedent with the indiustrial revolution and the use of coal and oil and the decrease in natural environments. .
sorry about the typos…”planet”, “1000 BC to 1000 AD” and a few others… I’ll trust most of you to look beyond the typos.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pmApparently the “Hebrew Exodus from Egypt†in supposedly 1100 B.C caused a precipitous rate of cooling.
Comment by 5th Estate — March 3, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Typical liberal… Always blaming the Jews :rolleyes:
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pmBig, smokin’ craters and cyclopses and lobal dimming??
Oh my. ;o)
Rock on, y’all!!
~A
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pmUmmmm, science and statistics, jason54301000000
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pmThe more a person knows about climate change, the less he or she thinks that it is a concern and the less he or she feels personally responsible.
In other words, the skeptics are educated while the warmers are ignorant.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm172 - So, Jason, how do we know that