Comments on: McCain Hasn’t Changed Website To Reflect His Embrace Of Bush’s Plan To Privatize Social Security http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:48:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteries http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5284472 batteries Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:03:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-5284472 People will always be homeless and downtrodden as long as we have a system of government that favors the rich and screws the poor. Hopefully President Obama will change this dynamic. But, I’m sure that he will recognize that what happens in one’s life is not always under an individual’s control. I knew a very nice middle class couple who were doing quite well. They had a good income, a nice house and two kids in college. Then my friend got sick with Cancer. It was only then that they figured out about how a “Health Care” Company (I put Health Care in quotes because they are not about health care, they are about their own profits) could screw them. First they had to deal with a seriously reduced income situation and then the bills started rolling in from doctors <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/hp/320912-001.htm" rel="nofollow">hp 320912-001 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/hp/nc8230.htm" rel="nofollow">hp nc8230 battery</a> and hospitals for the amounts their insurance company wouldn’t pay. In the end, both kids had to drop out of college, my friend died and left his wife practically destitute. So tell me brilliant troll, how was that their fault? How could their “individual freedom” have prevented this from happening to them? People will always be homeless and downtrodden as long as we have a system of government that favors the rich and screws the poor. Hopefully President Obama will change this dynamic. But, I’m sure that he will recognize that what happens in one’s life is not always under an individual’s control. I knew a very nice middle class couple who were doing quite well. They had a good income, a nice house and two kids in college. Then my friend got sick with Cancer. It was only then that they figured out about how a “Health Care” Company (I put Health Care in quotes because they are not about health care, they are about their own profits) could screw them. First they had to deal with a seriously reduced income situation and then the bills started rolling in from doctors hp 320912-001 battery,hp nc8230 battery and hospitals for the amounts their insurance company wouldn’t pay. In the end, both kids had to drop out of college, my friend died and left his wife practically destitute. So tell me brilliant troll, how was that their fault? How could their “individual freedom” have prevented this from happening to them?

]]> By: Mikey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4289619 Mikey Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4289619 I think privatizing social security is a VERY bad idea. I'll sound like a wackjob for saything this but I believe the average person, if left to his own devices, will ruin himself financially. Doesn't the mortgage problem prove that millions of people don't know how to manage their money themselves? Doesn't the negative national savings rate prove this? How about rising credit card debt among Americans? How is it that no one asks McCain these questions? So what happens under the privatized SS plan when the financially challenged among us fail to invest wisely and don't have enough to survive retirement? Who takes care of them at that point? I think privatizing social security is a VERY bad idea. I’ll sound like a wackjob for saything this but I believe the average person, if left to his own devices, will ruin himself financially. Doesn’t the mortgage problem prove that millions of people don’t know how to manage their money themselves? Doesn’t the negative national savings rate prove this? How about rising credit card debt among Americans? How is it that no one asks McCain these questions?

So what happens under the privatized SS plan when the financially challenged among us fail to invest wisely and don’t have enough to survive retirement? Who takes care of them at that point?

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288967 barfly Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:51:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288967 "Why don’t you tell us what republicans want? Or the Dems?" Comment by VA Voter — Isn't it clear to you by now? They want to pay ZERO taxes. They also want to feel completely safe, no matter how much it costs. They believe the Constitution is secondary to the Bible, and corporations should have the same rights as individuals. It is these truths that republicans find self-evident. “Why don’t you tell us what republicans want? Or the Dems?”

Comment by VA Voter —

Isn’t it clear to you by now? They want to pay ZERO taxes. They also want to feel completely safe, no matter how much it costs. They believe the Constitution is secondary to the Bible, and corporations should have the same rights as individuals. It is these truths that republicans find self-evident.

]]> By: Salmon Dave http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288675 Salmon Dave Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:43:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288675 John McCain is Ronald Gump........ John McCain is Ronald Gump……..

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288602 MapleStreet Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:36:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288602 McCain simultaneously broadcasts 2 positions - nothing new there. What I want to ask is where is McCain's flag lapel pin in the picture. Doesn't he love America ? McCain simultaneously broadcasts 2 positions – nothing new there.

What I want to ask is where is McCain’s flag lapel pin in the picture. Doesn’t he love America ?

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288207 Uncle Ho Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:31:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288207 VooVoo went to the darkside of the farce. VooVoo went to the darkside of the farce.

]]> By: VA Voter http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288150 VA Voter Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:07:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288150 This is exactly why the Republics NEVER disclose what they REALLY want. They know that what they really want, if expressed in honest terms, would horrify most Americans. That’s why the code words like “individual freedom”, “States rights”, “strict constructionst” and stuff like that. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:54 pm Why don't you tell us what republicans want? Or the Dems? This is exactly why the Republics NEVER disclose what they REALLY want. They know that what they really want, if expressed in honest terms, would horrify most Americans.

That’s why the code words like “individual freedom”, “States rights”, “strict constructionst” and stuff like that.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

Why don’t you tell us what republicans want? Or the Dems?

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288119 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:54:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288119 <em>contemplate the reaction of the voters when you tell them what you Republicans really want. Comment by paleolib — March 4, 2008 @ 1:50 pm</em> This is exactly why the Republics NEVER disclose what they REALLY want. They know that what they really want, if expressed in honest terms, would horrify most Americans. That's why the code words like "individual freedom", "States rights", "strict constructionst" and stuff like that. contemplate the reaction of the voters when you tell them what you Republicans really want.

Comment by paleolib — March 4, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

This is exactly why the Republics NEVER disclose what they REALLY want. They know that what they really want, if expressed in honest terms, would horrify most Americans.

That’s why the code words like “individual freedom”, “States rights”, “strict constructionst” and stuff like that.

]]> By: paleolib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288109 paleolib Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:50:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288109 Great idea VAVO. Let's have your candidate for president campaign on a platform to destroy both Social Security AND Medicare/Medicaid. Ignoring minor issues like the difference between the low overhead government plans and the profit margins private insurance and investment advisors charge whether they make money for their clients or not I want you to contemplate the reaction of the voters when you tell them what you Republicans really want. After you do that, go read some history books about what life was really like in the late 19th century. If you really want to go back to poor houses keep it up. Just be sure to tell the voters exactly what you have in mind. Great idea VAVO. Let’s have your candidate for president campaign on a platform to destroy both Social Security AND Medicare/Medicaid. Ignoring minor issues like the difference between the low overhead government plans and the profit margins private insurance and investment advisors charge whether they make money for their clients or not I want you to contemplate the reaction of the voters when you tell them what you Republicans really want. After you do that, go read some history books about what life was really like in the late 19th century. If you really want to go back to poor houses keep it up. Just be sure to tell the voters exactly what you have in mind.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288078 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:40:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288078 Va Voom can't understand that bilbo's comment about his friends was a good illustration of the need for a safety net, thus completely on topic. The troll can't grasp that its reply tried to spin the comment off in a new direction, far afield from the topic on which it was getting its lunch eaten. Va Voom can’t understand that bilbo’s comment about his friends was a good illustration of the need for a safety net, thus completely on topic.

The troll can’t grasp that its reply tried to spin the comment off in a new direction, far afield from the topic on which it was getting its lunch eaten.

]]> By: VA Voter http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288069 VA Voter Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:34:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288069 And, when faced with a perfectly sound example of good people having their hard-earned economic security overturned by fate (and the “free-market” system) the troll seeks to change the subject AGAIN, this time turning to the “government-run healthcare” lie. The farce is strong with this one. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:33 pm I didn't change the subject, sheep. it was Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 1:14 pm And, when faced with a perfectly sound example of good people having their hard-earned economic security overturned by fate (and the “free-market” system) the troll seeks to change the subject AGAIN, this time turning to the “government-run healthcare” lie.

The farce is strong with this one.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:33 pm

I didn’t change the subject, sheep. it was

Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288066 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:33:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288066 <em>I’m sorry that happened to your friend. It’s tragic. But government run healthcare is not the answer. Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation. Don’t believe me. Go to the DMV. Go ask for assistance at the local IRS. Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:27 pm</em> And, when faced with a perfectly sound example of good people having their hard-earned economic security overturned by fate (and the "free-market" system) the troll seeks to change the subject AGAIN, this time turning to the "government-run healthcare" lie. The farce is strong with this one. I’m sorry that happened to your friend. It’s tragic. But government run healthcare is not the answer. Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation. Don’t believe me. Go to the DMV. Go ask for assistance at the local IRS.

Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

And, when faced with a perfectly sound example of good people having their hard-earned economic security overturned by fate (and the “free-market” system) the troll seeks to change the subject AGAIN, this time turning to the “government-run healthcare” lie.

The farce is strong with this one.

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288065 Uncle Ho Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:32:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288065 VooVoo; I'm with ralph & PLC. We need to contribute to the COMMON good. <i> If we can not protect the many who are poor, then we can't protect the few who are rich.- John F. Kennedy</i> VooVoo; I’m with ralph & PLC. We need to contribute to the COMMON good.

If we can not protect the many who are poor, then we can’t protect the few who are rich.- John F. Kennedy

]]> By: VA Voter http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288062 VA Voter Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:31:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288062 I’m willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:25 pm Same here! Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — March 4, 2008 @ 1:28 pm Then you should donate more to private charity. I do. I’m willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

Same here!

Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — March 4, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

Then you should donate more to private charity. I do.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288061 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:31:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288061 <em>Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation<strong> run by Republicans.</strong> Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:27 pm</em> That, I'll stipulate. Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation run by Republicans.

Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

That, I’ll stipulate.

]]> By: PatrioticLiberalChristian http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288055 PatrioticLiberalChristian Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:28:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288055 I’m willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:25 pm Same here! I’m willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

Same here!

]]> By: VA Voter http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288054 VA Voter Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:27:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288054 Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 1:14 I’m sorry that happened to your friend. It’s tragic. But government run healthcare is not the answer. Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation. Don’t believe me. Go to the DMV. Go ask for assistance at the local IRS. Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 1:14

I’m sorry that happened to your friend. It’s tragic. But government run healthcare is not the answer. Nothing runs as slowly or imperfectly as a government operation. Don’t believe me. Go to the DMV. Go ask for assistance at the local IRS.

]]> By: paleolib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288053 paleolib Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:27:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288053 Ladies and gentlemen, it just took less than 50 moves for a troll to reach the illogical conclusion that support for a minimal safety net to keep those upon whom fortune didn't smile from starving in the streets equals disdain for individual freedom. That may be a new record for this site. The reality is while I completely disagree with VAVO and suspect he/she is a manifestation of the character type which hates the government while gladly sucking off its benefits, I wish the Republican Party would simply admit that it too wants to destroy Social Security and replace it with a private investment system that will result in some people losing their money. Instead we get this waffling nonsense from Bush/McCain which simply covers up the real effort to starve the system by diverting money thus lowering benefits and hoping the old people die faster so we can trash the whole system. Ladies and gentlemen, it just took less than 50 moves for a troll to reach the illogical conclusion that support for a minimal safety net to keep those upon whom fortune didn’t smile from starving in the streets equals disdain for individual freedom. That may be a new record for this site.

The reality is while I completely disagree with VAVO and suspect he/she is a manifestation of the character type which hates the government while gladly sucking off its benefits, I wish the Republican Party would simply admit that it too wants to destroy Social Security and replace it with a private investment system that will result in some people losing their money. Instead we get this waffling nonsense from Bush/McCain which simply covers up the real effort to starve the system by diverting money thus lowering benefits and hoping the old people die faster so we can trash the whole system.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288048 ralph the wonder llama Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:25:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288048 <em>You my not believe this, but I wouldn’t starve. You may be a sheep that needs the government to take care of him. Most of us don’t Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:18 pm</em> No, most of us don't. That's why Social Security works. Because most of us don't need it. But some of us do need it to survive. The difference between me and you is, I'm willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us. You are not. You my not believe this, but I wouldn’t starve. You may be a sheep that needs the government to take care of him. Most of us don’t

Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 1:18 pm

No, most of us don’t. That’s why Social Security works. Because most of us don’t need it. But some of us do need it to survive.

The difference between me and you is, I’m willing to contribute to a system that helps protect the least fortunate among us. You are not.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-4288046 bilbobaggins Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:25:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/04/mccain-social-security-bush/#comment-4288046 <em>You my not believe this, but I wouldn’t starve. You may be a sheep that needs the government to take care of him. Most of us don’t Comment by VA Voter</em> Did you read my comment about my friends? Do you care to comment on it. Because, my friend, that could quite likely happen to you. You my not believe this, but I wouldn’t starve. You may be a sheep that needs the government to take care of him. Most of us don’t
Comment by VA Voter

Did you read my comment about my friends? Do you care to comment on it. Because, my friend, that could quite likely happen to you.

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