Oil prices to hit $120 barrel by September.
By on Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Oil prices to hit $120 barrel by September.
Peter Barker-Homek, CEO of Abu Dhabi National Energy Co., predicts that crude oil prices may hit $120 a barrel within the next six months due to the “softness of the dollar and the occasional interruptions that you have because of politics.” Last October, Barker-Homek also predicted that oil prices would “rise to $100 from $80 before the end of the first quarter.”
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Please, someone make the pain stop.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pmGot bicycle?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pmI still say cut the gas tax.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pmWelcome to $5.00 gallon gas!
March 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm‘because of politics’
Playing politics with the nations blood-line energy supply?
Stupid goon, what the fcuk would you like Congress to do about the weakening dollar?
Maybe, stop the war? Trillions of dollars in foreign debt are hard to ignore.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pmComment by VA Voter
By all means, you can stop paying taxes whenever you and your seperatist friends decide to empound yourselves… the sooner the better.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pmWell, there goes the old ’standard of living’!
This will trigger a recession/depression as the costs ripple through to groceries, hardware, and all the other stuff that has to be transported to market.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pmhahahahahahahaha
while the rest of the world enjoys a relatively stable oil price. i guess dollar devaluation DOES matter. i guess deficits DO matter. i guess massive debt DOES matter. i guess an inverted bond yield curve DOES matter.
(all of these were the propaganda denial of Bush et al 4 years ago)
March 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pmThis will trigger a recession/depression as the costs ripple through to
Already happening.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pmDNFP ~ yes, but you ain’t seen nothin yet.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmGigi wants Congress to interfere with the workings of the “free market”?
Of course, we already know that VooVoo wants to abandon all road repairs (and the jobs that go with them) so that he can save a few cents when he fills up his jalopy.
As I pointed out last week, it makes perfect sense: eliminate the federal fuel tax, let more bridges collapse, then people won’t drive over brifges. Saves them fuel.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmI still say cut the gas tax.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Good idea! It’s not like we have a three trillion dollar war to fund…
March 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pmComment by RUCerious — March 4, 2008 @
We’re definitely tightening the bootstraps here in my family.
Payed off credit card debt. Payed off car loan. Moving kids from private school to public. And I’m starting to freelance more than ever.
You don’t think the riches have been furiously concentrating wealth among the top 1% while fleeing to gated communities for nothing.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pmHey Vapid Voter, how’s Dick Cheney’s secret Energy Task Force working out for you?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pmHey Vapid Voter, how’s Dick Cheney’s secret Energy Task Force working out for you?
…like a 9 inch dildo rammed straight up it’s a$$…
March 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pmThis is just the tip of the iceberg. This Krime Kabal that took over on 2000 followed PNAC’s plan. Build up the military. We are now a Military Economy which is basically useless unless (i.e.) you work for say, Raytheon. The economy is tanking because this country’s needs are being ignored. We are not investing in any industry that gives back. 8 years ago this great country was hijacked by PNAC and we are now under Authoritarian Rule sliding each day into a Fascist State.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pmDamn that Bill Clinton, and his co-conspirators in the media!!
They’ve gone and done it again. They’re even driving up the value of the Euro, because they like cheeses from France.
What part of our country will Bill Clinton and Paul Krugman destroy next, by not vigorously opposing gay marriage??!!?
War is Peace!
Our enormous debt is evidence of our prosperity!
Yours Truly,
A. Righty Ignoramus
March 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pmThe rich will get the idea when the people who clean their pools and cut their grass can’t afford to come to work.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pmDNFP, same here. Used to be able to put some away in savings each month, now I’m lucky if I can stuff a couple hundred away every two months.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm14 / speaking of rich Americans
this should give you an idea of where rich Americans are stashing their money
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/a-guide-to-europes-tax-havens-790860.html
March 4th, 2008 at 3:26 pmWhat are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Uh, maybe start withdrawing from Iraq, and use the funds saved to get alternative fuels to market sooner, maybe, just maybe…
As opposed to the republicscum who just feed off the war profits.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Gas price increases are inevitable. We need to be weaned off of as much oil as possible. We need to push for more alternative fuel and energy sources as possible. More competition means more innovation, and lowering prices.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pmI think it will hit $120 by Memorial day-at the latest.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmUh, maybe start withdrawing from Iraq, and use the funds saved to get alternative fuels to market sooner, maybe, just maybe…
Comment by RUCerious — March 4, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
And by alternative fuels, we don’t mean corn ethanol!
March 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmWhat are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter
Nationalize natural resources. World wide. Every nation should benefit from it’s own resources.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOil Now is $99.91 in one year $129.88 / Barrel
http://oil-price.net/
prices go up and down all day , prices are more expensive in GMT morning time then go down in price as America wakes and keeps going down till Americans fall asleep
March 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Were you so inquisitive when prices skyrocketed with the (R)Cabinet, (R)Senate and (R)Congress, Bush at the helm? Guess not.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pmVA Voter – No one is going to do that. No one can inject a bunch more oil into the ground that increasingly is not there.
This is a lot like righty tax mythology in general, which holds that taxes can and should go down over time. That’s not now nor has it ever been (or will be) true, and just because you accept some lies from Republican politicians to the contrary doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. It only means that you are particularly receptive to lies told by Republican politicians (who really are very different from Democrat politicians)
Taxes matter to millionaires and billionaires, even though they shouldn’t. The little difference they make to ordinary citizens is so small it’s silly, and sillier still that any ordinary citizen would make voting decisions based on such nickel-and-dime considerations.
Is it better to work for minimum wage and pay low taxes, or to make $50k/yr and pay a couple thousand?? If you actually need a calculator to figure that one out, you’re beyond hopeless.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pmAnd by alternative fuels, we don’t mean corn ethanol!
Comment by toasterhead — March 4, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
As I holler at Jay Inslee each week ~
Where the hell is my hydrogen filling station!!!???
March 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pmAnd by alternative fuels, we don’t mean corn ethanol!
You mean the corn-doggle known as ethanol? The 10% loss in performance will just be offset by increase consumption. How stupid. In the end, you pay the same (or more) for your blended gas, AND food prices increases are compounded by the increased demand and increase in fuel costs related to transporting.
Ever get the feeling you’ve been had?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pmWhat everyone has to realize is that the current regime has put us in such a deep hole that its going to take a long time to just get back to level ground, if we ever do. If you’re 30 miles in a hole, and climb 20 miles.. .you’re still 10 miles in a hole…even though you just climbed 20.
So anyone who’s expecting the Democrats to pull a rabbit out of the hat and magically make things better has to be realistic.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Impeachment and war crimes trials at the Hague would be a start.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pmAh, VA Voter with his ‘Let’s get rid of taxes spiel.’
OK. The federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. In the state of Virginia, where he lives, the state gas tax is 17.5 cents per gallon. Assuming that his gas prices are like Colorado, your looking at 35.9 cents per gallon out of 2.99 per gallon, or 11% of the base price. It’s not alot of money to refund from gas for some anti-tax crusade.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pmLower gasoline taxes; open up more areas for drilling; lessen government red tape and over-regulation of refineries, etc….
Comment by good_golly
Geez, everything you listed is part of the lobbying effort by the oil industry.
None of these things seems to be hurting their bottom line ONE FCUKING BIT.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Stop using it and find an alternative energy source that isn’t finite nor dirty ……………
March 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pmNo Ralph. I want Congress to stop interfering with the free market. Lower gasoline taxes; open up more areas for drilling; lessen government red tape and over-regulation of refineries, etc….
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Oh yes. Because the Oil Industry is so good at self-regulation.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm“SOYLENT GAS IS PEOPLE!”
March 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pmComment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
can they start dirilling in your back yard gg?
you don’t mind do you?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pmGigi wants Congress to interfere with the workings of the “free market�
Of course, we already know that VooVoo wants to abandon all road repairs (and the jobs that go with them) so that he can save a few cents when he fills up his jalopy.
As I pointed out last week, it makes perfect sense: eliminate the federal fuel tax, let more bridges collapse, then people won’t drive over brifges. Saves them fuel.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 4, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
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No Ralph. I want Congress to stop interfering with the free market. Lower gasoline taxes; open up more areas for drilling; lessen government red tape and over-regulation of refineries, etc….
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Because the oil companies have been hurting/struggling with any of the above you clueless wonder ?
Do you understand the meaning of a finite resource you galactically stupid twit ?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Stop using it and find an alternative energy source that isn’t finite nor dirty ……………
Comment by MCMetal — March 4, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
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How long do you expect that will take?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
3 years …………
March 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pmUh, maybe start withdrawing from Iraq, and use the funds saved to get alternative fuels to market sooner, maybe, just maybe…
As opposed to the republicscum who just feed off the war profits.
Comment by RUCerious — March 4, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Not going to make gas less expensive.
Gas price increases are inevitable. We need to be weaned off of as much oil as possible. We need to push for more alternative fuel and energy sources as possible. More competition means more innovation, and lowering prices.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 4, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Not going to make gas less expensive. So what are they going to do until the other alternatives are ready?
Nationalize natural resources. World wide. Every nation should benefit from it’s own resources.
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Takeing what does not belong to you. oh and Not going to make gas less expensive.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
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whine, moan, complain, blame, and in the end… NOTHING. They want the price to be as high as possible come November.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
And isn’t it highly ironic that will happen thanks to the worst president in US history , whom you still blindly and stupidly support ?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pmIn 1999, before Dubya took over, gas prices were $1.29 a gallon at the place where I got snacks while I was working. Before Bush took the US to war in 2003, Gas was $1.39 a gallon. We started complaining when gas touched $2 a gallon in the spring, but that was nothing like what 2005 would bring with the $3 per gallon price. If it’s true and Bush brings $4 a gallon before he leaves office, then he’ll be directly responsible for $2.71 a gallon of increases during his term, or an increase of 210%.
VA Voter? This is what needs to be cut, not some rinky dink $.40 / gallon tax.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:42 pmThe rate the world eats petrol there will be none left in 25 years
since 1852 the world has drank 1.5 giga barrels and now theres only the same left
25 years and its all GONE
March 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pmHow long do you expect that will take?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
How long until oil returns to $36 dollars a barrel? Oh, never?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI think we can get them on-line before then…
Not going to make gas less expensive. blah blah blah…ad nauseum…Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
You just can’t learn how to read, can you. Not a question. So here’s the rest of the quote…
use the funds saved to get alternative fuels to market sooner,
The sooner we need less gas and use less gas, the sooner the price will come down… Fu(kwad.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pmNationalize natural resources. World wide. Every nation should benefit from it’s own resources.
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Takeing what does not belong to you. oh and Not going to make gas less expensive.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
“Taking what does not belong to you” is exactly what the oil industry has been doing for decades.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pmAnd isn’t it highly ironic that will happen thanks to the worst president in US history , whom you still blindly and stupidly support ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 4, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
How is asking what the Dems are going to do supporting the president?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pmWell, we are sooooo fcccuuukkkked, welcome to Bush Depression II. You are not going to believe just how bad it is gonna get, soup lines, tent cities, massive unemployment, riots, get ready for the end, thanks to Republicans being in charge….Bush should be sent to trial and then shot, and I don’t believe in the death penalty, now that is saying something.
Bush/Cheney
March 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmHague Trials ‘09
after 10 years only the superich can afford to drive, fuel will be gone in 25 years
we will all be killed of so george bushes gr gr gr grandchildren can drive a Porsche
March 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmAnd what has been the great plan of the “two oilmen†sitting in the White House, pray tell??
March 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmHIGHEST CORPORATE PROFIT EVER at the expense of the entire nations economy.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
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whine, moan, complain, blame, and in the end… NOTHING. They want the price to be as high as possible come November.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Get a room circle jerks.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm“Taking what does not belong to you†is exactly what the oil industry has been doing for decades.
Comment by toasterhead — March 4, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
March 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmWe have rapidly set in motion the swap of power from the U.S.A. to China.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pmwhine, moan, complain, blame, and in the end… NOTHING. They want the price to be as high as possible come November.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Bullshit.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pmTakeing what does not belong to you. oh and Not going to make gas less expensive.
Comment by VA Voter
Precisely my point, dimbulb. Cease exploiting the natural resources of developing countries without paying the owners of those resources what it is worth.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pmBy nationalizing, the price at the pump may or may not go down, but multi-national corporations will no longer reap huge profits at the expense of the people they are stealing the resources from. Including their very own customers.
And use the spell check, will ya? It’s for stumbling illiterates such as yourself, so that your lack of education isn’t quite so glaringly obvious.
Who says we aren’t the nice ones?
Comment by toasterhead — March 4, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Finally, I’ve left one of the trolls speechless. :pwn:
March 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pmGG:
Kennedy’s “We choose to go to the Moon” speech- 9/12/62
Armstrong’s “One Small Step…” speech- 7/20/69
7 years… think if Bush had a ” We choose to rid ourselves of foreign oil” speech on 9/12/01! Instead he asked us to go shopping and buy duct-tape… VISIONARY!
March 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pmwhine, moan, complain, blame, and in the end… NOTHING.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Hey, the whole (R) tax policy in a phrase.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pmPrecisely my point, dimbulb
Who says we aren’t the nice ones?
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Nice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm….. and what will the alternative fuels cost? What guarantee can you provide that they will be any less expensive?
High gas prices means more likely competition from alternate sources, which may be costly in the beginning. Why not repeal the law the froze the taxable amount of oil at $36 dollars per gallon (I still can’t believe it) and use the increased tax revenue to subsidize alternatives? Why do you want to keep empowering our enemies by using their oil?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm60 RUCerious – use the funds saved to get alternative fuels to market sooner,
the chance was blown last year in the senate
One of the major shortcomings in last year’s admirable energy bill was its failure to extend vital tax credits to producers of wind, solar and other renewable fuels. This was entirely the doing of the Senate, which caved in to the oil companies and their White House friends.â€
Instead they gave tax breaks of 17 billion to Oil companies who already made 145 billion
http://www.priceofoil.org/
March 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pmDeregulate and Untax are the two most popular and most stupid things that Republicans run on, and when lots of stupid people vote for them based on their lies, we end up with exactly what we have now:
sinking dollar
soaring debt
price inflation
industrial catastrophes
the public screwed blind and robbed
It has happened every single time R’s have had their way.
Are 2 and 2 really that hard to add together???!?????!?!??!!??!!?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pm….. and what will the alternative fuels cost? What guarantee can you provide that they will be any less expensive?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
They may cost more! There’s no guarantee that they won’t cost more. But if they are RENEWABLE then we won’t run out, and maybe won’t pollute the planet as much. OK?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmAnd isn’t it highly ironic that will happen thanks to the worst president in US history , whom you still blindly and stupidly support ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 4, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
How is asking what the Dems are going to do supporting the president?
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
How is responding to goof_jelly’s stupid comments a response to your equally idiotic ass ?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmI see gg got chased off the voter turnout thread and is now spreading its $#!+ here.
What gg doesn’t get is that time is running out on oil. There’s a finite amount of it, and our potential for growth is alot more than any chance of finding oil. The basic laws of supply and demand state that once the supply of oil is exhausted, then price of oil will go through the roof. Since our economy depends on oil, anything that upsets the balance of pricing on that oil will send our economy into a tailspin…much like what is going on right now.
But gg is too busy licking its masters boots to realize that it gets fu(ked with the rest of us when oil prices go into the stratosphere. It’s too stupid to realize that all it’s doing is shilling its masters positions, even as those positions end up making it into the second class lackey it is.
Sorriest case of hero worship and boot-licking I’ve ever seen.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmNice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
If we needed info on how nice people act we certainly wouldn’t be asking a neocon thug now would we. Now would you kindly, STFU.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmPrecisely my point, dimbulb
Who says we aren’t the nice ones?
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Nice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
They do when the same morons that have repeatedly been proven incorrect , matching their “fearless leader” in terms of successes , insist on talking smack ……………
March 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmA very large part of the astronomical rise in oil prices is the “security premium”, the cost of protecting oil and gas industry infrastructure and transportation. The oil and gas companies readily offer this as a reason for high prices.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmStop stealing from underdeveloped and developing nations, and the breeding ground for terrorism disappears. No more need to arm oil companies. No more security premium.
Precisely my point, dimbulb
Who says we aren’t the nice ones?
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Nice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
Comment by VA Voter
It ain’t namecalling if it’s true.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmAnd when children head back to school in the fall they can write their reports on what they didn’t get to do on their summer vacations. They can write about how they had to stay home alone because mom has to work two jobs just to put food on the table, even though it’s probably tainted, and even with her and dad each working two jobs there wasn’t enough money to buy gasoline to take them anywhere. Woohoo.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pmgigi, why does your husband want me to pretend he’s sucking on my toes when he calls me?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pmI still say cut the gas tax.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
I still say you’re a moron.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pm73 . renewables cost less until they get privatised
Good Energy 100% renewable electricity doesn’t cost the earth – in fact it helps to save it. Traditionally, when it comes to electricity, people look for the cheapest deal around. While over the course of the year this might be a few pounds lighter on their wallets, it could be several tonnes of carbon dioxide heavier on the environment.
You could save an average of two tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions a year by switching to Good Energy 100% renewable electricity.
In financial terms this may cost you around four pounds a month more than one of the largest electricity suppliers. By choosing a 100% renewable electricity supply you are helping to take care of our world. We hope you agree that four pounds is a small sum to pay for such a wonderful result.
Would you like to know how much CO2 you could save by switching to Good Energy 100% renewable electricity and what this would cost?
http://www.good-energy.co.uk/costs_and_savings
March 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pmWhy do Democrats and Environmentalists keep fighting against “alternative fuels†such as wind power?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
People often do inexplicable things that are against their best interests- like when you voted for Bush…
March 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pmWhy do Democrats and Environmentalists keep fighting against “alternative fuels†such as wind power?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
And what exactly would “wind power” replace ?
You are such a simplistic , annoying , stupid twit ……….
March 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pmNice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Dick Cheney isn’t a nice person?
Do tell.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pm75. How may straw men can you fit into one thread?
I’m all for development of alternative fules. The problem is that Democrats and Environmentalists find fault with all of them. See post 80 for example.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
See my post above , you empty-headed GOP/Chimpy ball monger………
March 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pmNow goof-bally why don’t you run along and look up all the places where successful wind farms have been established. I know you didn’t receive that page with your talking points but with that big money you make trolling maybe you could do a little of your own research to make your self sound slightly less ignorant.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmPrecisely my point, dimbulb
Who says we aren’t the nice ones?
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Nice people don’t use name calling to make a point.
Comment by VA Voter
I was asking a question, not necessarily indicating I was a nice person.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI apologize to all the nice people here for using the collective “we”.
Coal fired power stations will have produced 890 grammes of CO2 to generate 1kWh of electricity.
Natural gas will have produced 370 grammes/CO2 to generate 1kWh of electricity.
Nuclear power produces zero grammes of CO2 but it will have produced 0.011 grammes of high-level radioactive waste per kWh.
Good Energy supplies 100% renewable electricity, from wind, wave, small scale hydro and solar power. This will have generated zero grammes of CO2 per kWh and zero grammes of high-level radio active waste.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI’m all for development of alternative fules. The problem is that Democrats and Environmentalists find fault with all of them. See post 80 for example.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Then how about doing something productive to improve the planet and all those life forms who ride upon it instead of spending so much time telling the world you don’t like democrats and environmentalists?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pmWhat is it that makes me think we should have Bobwurst’s computer searched for kiddy porn?
Comment by good_golly
comeon now, check your hubby’s first. He’s a weird dude. Well, he’s pretty average for a republican. He told me that he married you because you are frigid and he needed a beard.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter
So, why exactly is it the Democrats responsibility to fix what Bush broke? And how exactly do you propose they do it? There is nothing the Democrats can do until they take the Whitehouse and Congress. Then and only then will we be able to heal the wounds caused by these evil people.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:05 pm“how about doing something productive”
Comment by dbadass — March 4, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
Not the Rethuglican way. Better to obstruct then complain about a “do-nothing” congress. See goon_goony’s post #2.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pmgigi, why does your husband want me to pretend he’s sucking on my toes when he calls me?
Comment by Bobwurst — March 4, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
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What is it that makes me think we should have Bobwurst’s computer searched for kiddy porn?
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
It’s most likely your overwhelming stupidity ……………….
March 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm*sigh*
Will the bull$#!+ ever stop?
No big mystery here. No environmentalists challenged this, though they should. Wind turbines are buildings, and all buildings affect the environment. This is why builders conduct environmental impact studies before they build.
Here’s another example of environmental impacts. This time they were caught before the wind farms were built.
Any more details? I’m frankly getting tired of researching your bull$#!+, and there’s really nothing in your little blurb to indicate wrong-doing. They’re not opposed to the wind farm, they’re taking the owners to task for killing tens of thousands of birds. For all we know, they were out shooting the birds, or electrifying the towers because they didn’t want to deal with birds roosting in their wind towers, or something like that.
Another sound bite with no substance.
The rest? The same thing. The radar coverage hole is unrelated to environmentalists entirely…that was a military thing. And the New Zealand issue also has no background.
In good_golly’s little world, any hint of dissent means that you’re totally against what your dissenting against. Heh, that explains why they think we’re traitors, because we dissent against Bush, we must hate America. Well, the world ain’t that simple, cupcake. Here in the real world, we can disagree with some aspects of something without being totally against it.
But that’s too hard for a two-bit idiot who spends its afternoons on a site whose political ideology is contrary to its own, squatting, taking a dump, then running when it’s confronted. So, gg, gonna run again?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pmJeremy in Denver:
It just did a cut and paste off of wikipedia. Don’t waste your time, it doesn’t really want an answer. That’s why no one takes it seriously.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pmTotal Mega Watts produced by windfarms in
Europe produces 56,000 Mega Watts
March 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pmAmerica 16,000 Mega Watts
I’m all for development of alternative fules. The problem is that Democrats and Environmentalists find fault with all of them. See post 80 for example.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Wrong!
We find fault with some faulty alternative energy projects, such as corn and sugar ethanol or poorly-cited wind turbines that are placed along migration routes. That doesn’t mean we find fault with all of them.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThere you go again, using O’Bama’s middle name. Racist.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
No it’s not. We’re showing pride in Barack Hussein Obama’s heritage. Sorry you can’t understand such a thing.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmJeremy in Denver , thats no enviromental damage compared to the Oil spills , oil fires , wars and damage Oil is doing so you lost that argument
March 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pmTakeing what does not belong to you. oh and Not going to make gas less expensive.
Comment by VA Voter‘
Actually, this idiot troll is wrong. It does belong to us. The oil companies did not manufacture the crude oil, they take it out of the earth. And any oil that is beneath the earth our country sits on belongs to us. Do the oil companies own what is beneath the earth? They were given sweet-heart deals to pull the oil out of the ground and it’s time they pay the piper and stop gouging us. And please don’t bother to say they are not gouging us. Just go look up the PROFIT that Exxon and the other oil companies have made for the last three years.
So trolls, why don’t you go to Exxon and the other oil companies and appeal to their patriotism to ask them to share some of the billions in profits they are taking by lowering the price they charge us for gasoline?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmArn – Arn -
March 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmDo a “punching in the face for all eternity….BWAHAHAHA”
I LOVE those!!!!
Jeremy in Denver , thats no enviromental damage compared to the Oil spills , oil fires , wars and damage Oil is doing so you lost that argument
Comment by Anjuna Laguna — March 4, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
English must not be your first language, I guess. I lost the argument? So you’re saying good_golly is right and environmentallists are opposed to wind farms?
You idiot, I’m not contesting that oil use is damaging to the friggin planet. Learn to read.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:17 pmCoal fired power stations will have produced 890 grammes of CO2 to generate 1kWh of electricity.
Natural gas will have produced 370 grammes/CO2 to generate 1kWh of electricity.
Nuclear power produces zero grammes of CO2 but it will have produced 0.011 grammes of high-level radioactive waste per kWh.
Good Energy supplies 100% renewable electricity, from wind, wave, small scale hydro and solar power. This will have generated zero grammes of CO2 per kWh and zero grammes of high-level radio active waste.
ALSO
No Wars are created stealing each others windmills, No Oil Spills wrecking the coutryside and seas, Not much danger to human Life unlike Oil rigs at sea
March 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pmComment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Now if only you could develop some kind of Wate-of-Energy Power Plant you could put all your posts here to good use…
March 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pm*high fives belac*
March 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pmI know how Obama, as President, can lower the price of gasoline. He needs to have the Democratic Congress pass a “windfall profits tax” on the oil companies and make them share the huge profits they have been making by gouging us for the last three years. Then he can put that money into a fund to subsidize the gas stations to lower the price of gasoline.
So trolls, what’s wrong with that solution? Or do you think that the oil companies should be allowed to gouge us and make obscene profits while we are suffering?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pm96. I have. Certain land fills are much less full in small part because of my work with certain waste-to-energy plants that had a lot of support from both Bush administrations.
more trollish lies. where? when? what did you do? Don’t believe the cut and paste beard. it does what it’s told, and it’s told to post here.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pmComment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Better idea. Return it straight to us, and keep it up every year that the oil companies keep making such obscene profit.
And watch the trolls AND the oil execs writhe on the floor like rabid dogs in their final stages of life. Ah, life is good. ;-D
March 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pmre 119:
See, it can’t read. it’s a troll.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:24 pmOut of one pocket and into the other, eh?
Comment by good_golly
Well, that is the capitalist model……..
March 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pmgood golly, you sorry sack of republodung. Can’t show a spine on the other threads on the cost of the Iraq conflict or the evil deeds of Cheney, or the telecom immunity scam. But you show your snake head here.
You are a weasel.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pmFuel runs out in 25 years every last drop of it
think ahead Now
March 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmSo trolls, what’s wrong with that solution? Or do you think that the oil companies should be allowed to gouge us and make obscene profits while we are suffering?
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Profit is not obscene. The problem with your plan is that you are still just taking some one else’s profit (the 10% margin as a mater of fact) and taxing it because you feel they don’t deserve it. Who’s next? Maybe they should tax Superbowl commercials. Higher tax on clocks. How about the evil people that produce ice-cream?
You sheep just love to tax things.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmA major potentially limitless energy source is geothermal. It relies on extracting heat from the earth and using it to generate electricity. Currently there’s no federal funding for this, at all. Europe developed a new process to refine diesel fuel and make it as energy efficient as gasoline. How much time and space have the MSM devoted to either of these issues?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmOn the ethanol front, several studies have determined that biomass ethanol is cheaper and significantly more efficient than corn based ethanol. However, who’s gonna make money by growing and harvesting grasses and weeds? And, once more, how loudly has the MSM tried to make this point to we, the people?
Impeach Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Very intelligent argument. Very intelligent.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
OMG!!!!! Funnier than even Arn! Can anyone else see the three ironies in these two lines??? Unintentional humor is the BEST!!!
(Yes – I AM laughing AT you.)
March 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmIF you can handle the truth about what fuel is left read this
http://www.angelnexus.com/getreport/76e30d58d7682872e2e598dd6036a7de.pdf
March 4th, 2008 at 4:28 pmFuel runs out in 25 years every last drop of it
think ahead Now
No thinking needed, unless we’ve forgotten how to walk…
March 4th, 2008 at 4:28 pmDid you drive a car to work? Own an SUV? Are you seriously curtailing your use of oil?
Answer these questions honestly, and you will understand why oil prices are so high. It’s simple supply and demand.
Reduce your demand, and you keep more money in your pocket, and (if others take action) reduce the overall demand which in turn will put more competitive pressures on oil prices.
I for one sold my car a long time ago and use my bicycle or public transportation, or even better, walk.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:30 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
And you sheep just love to spend money the government doesn’t have on pointless wars. Checkmate!
March 4th, 2008 at 4:30 pmAnjuna, I see you didn’t apologize for your attack against me.
You fool, we are aware of the condition of oil and its impact on the frickin planet. Every thing you’re posting is ‘well, DUH’ here. Clue bus time. It’s good_golly and VA Voter who don’t think that there’s anything wrong with using oil.
Still waiting on that apology for the unwarranted attack.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pmJust look at how much alternative energy you threw in your trash can today.
Comment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
None as I only produce less than on bag on trash per month. Once I have composted my food wastes, recycled what I can and simply avoided unneeded purchases. So how much concentrated heavy metal laced ash did you create and how about you waste to energy emissions to the atmosphere? Wanna give me some specifics on the technologies on those plants. I used to live by one and have worked as an environmental chemist. It is nice that you have considered this issue but you seem to not wish to mention the drawbacks of such facilities
March 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pmComment by good_golly — March 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Now if only you could develop some kind of Wate-of-Energy Power Plant you could put all your posts here to good use…
Comment by belac — March 4, 2008 @ 4:18 pm
Oh **SMACK** that’s going to leave a mark.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pmtaxing it because you feel they don’t deserve it.
Spoken like someone who knows NOTHING about the huge tax abatements and subsidies they’re already receiving – something they obviously don’t need now.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pmAnjuna Laguna posted an interesting article. Here’s a more objective piece from someone on the frontlines. Which to believe?…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
March 4th, 2008 at 4:33 pm1908 Ford Model T- 25 mpg
2008 Ford Explorer- 16 mpg
I’m ‘all for’ fuel efficeint cars…
March 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pmbut we just don’t have the technology yet do we, GG?
JT, I’m with you. We rent cars occasionally for getting to places we can’t get to on foot or on bicycle. Bikes are better than feet, because for the same energy you expend on foot, you can go much further on a bike. There’s a reason they use bikes in China and Europe.
I am sad at how many people I see driving their cars on beautiful late winter and early spring days. In traffic jams, I smirk as I rush past them on my bike. If half of them left their automobiles at home, we’d see alot less road congestion and much cleaner air…but even the best of them are like, “But it’s dangerous to bike on the road!”
As long as you reinforce that stereotype in your mind by driving, yes, it will be…for you.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pmI for one sold my car a long time ago and use my bicycle or public transportation, or even better, walk.
Comment by JT — March 4, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Not all of us work at the nearest McDonald’s like you do.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:36 pm117. So your proposal is to take the money from oil companies, but then give it back to them in the form of subsidies at the pump. Out of one pocket and into the other, eh?
Comment by good_golly
Did you flunk math along with all the other subjects you flunked in high school. How about I explain it to you slowly.
We tax the oil companies for their obscene profits. We take that money and give it to the guys who own the gas stations so that they can make a small profit and still pump a lower price of gas. Let’s say that gas is $4.00 a gallon. The filling station pays $3.95 a gallon for the gas and makes about a 5 cent a gallon profit off the sale of gasoline. So, the filling station lowers the price to $3.50 a gallon. The extra .50 is made up by the money we took from Exxon. The filling station makes the same profit they made before (no reason to punish them for the sins of their employer) and Exxon makes less of a profit. The oil companies don’t get the money back.
Or, an alternative would be to give the US public a subsidy to help them pay for the price of their gasoline. That would probably be the more direct way to do it.
Was that slow enough for you?
Oh, you still didn’t answer my question. Do you think it is OK for the oil companies to make obscene profits off the backs of the US taxpayer?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:36 pmYes, Shayne. I work 8 miles from my home, as a desktop support tech, in the Federal Center. :)
March 4th, 2008 at 4:37 pmJFK said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country… He also said that we will put a man on the moon in ten years when the tecnology didn’t even exist.
This created a National project and a government agency (NASA) to make it happen. If we could get a Leader with some charisma to inspire us, and was willing to spend the money, we could be free from our dependence on foreign oil in less than a decade because the technology already exists. We simply lack the will and the leadership to get it done.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:37 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Just like all those nations who exceed the US on some many measures of quality of life issues. I don’t mind being taxed in the least to provide for the shared welfare of all.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmI used to live by one and have worked as an environmental chemist. It is nice that you have considered this issue but you seem to not wish to mention the drawbacks of such facilities
Comment by dbadass — March 4, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Well when goofy said he worked there he meant he drove the garbage truck that dumped the trash there. Don’t expect him to understand the technology or the emission issues. He’s just bent out of shape because he lost that job too and now has to wor for .10 a post.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter
That’s not being very nice……….
March 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
And you sheep love to vote against your own self-interest(s) .
BTW
How do you propose we pay off the huge debt that Chimpy has accumulated , moron ?
By allowing more drilling for oil ?
Great……..Let them start with your skull 1st……..
March 4th, 2008 at 4:39 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter
That’s not being very nice……….
Comment by Nevar — March 4, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
Not to mention totally devoid of intelligence………….
March 4th, 2008 at 4:39 pm“…a desktop support tech…”
Comment by Jeremy in Denver
Couldn’t you use milk crates or something?
March 4th, 2008 at 4:41 pm(Just teasing, dude…:)
I for one sold my car a long time ago and use my bicycle or public transportation, or even better, walk.
Comment by JT
How big of you. Unfortunately we all don’t have that luxury. I live 20 miles away from where I work. There is no way to get to my work on a bus. I am not physically capable of riding a bike that 20 miles twice a day. I do take the bus into town and whenever it goes where I need to go. But I don’t live in a city where a bus can get you everywhere you want to go.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:41 pmYes, Shayne. I work 8 miles from my home, as a desktop support tech, in the Federal Center. :)
Comment by Jeremy in Denver — March 4, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Sorry Jeremy I was talking to JT. Many people work 30 or 40 miles from their house in climates that most of the year don’t allow them to ride their bikes. It’s great for people who can but it’s not the answer for everybody.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pmComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 4, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
In the end it only took 7 years… and the research spawned- personal computers, new fabrics, cell phones, carbon fiber, and the “Fischer Space Pen” that writes upside-down and underwater… just to name a few inventions.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pmBush gave us extra long lines at the airport and $120/barrel oil and ’someday’ alternative energy that gg feels is too far fetched for real study… I find GG too far fetched to be worthy of further study.
Yes, Shayne. I work 8 miles from my home, as a desktop support tech, in the Federal Center. :)
Comment by Jeremy in Denver — March 4, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Sorry Jeremy I was talking to JT. Many people work 30 or 40 miles from their house in climates that most of the year don’t allow them to ride their bikes. It’s great for people who can but it’s not the answer for everybody.
Comment by Shayne — March 4, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
Nor does mass transit provide an answer for many , either……..
March 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pmVA Voter is another spineless wonder that wouldn’t dare address the threads that show the destructive practices of the current administration.
Brave man to come in here and discuss varying economic models. Can’t stomach discussing how pitiful Bush is and how much he’s damaged the country.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pmNor does mass transit provide an answer for many , either……..
Comment by MCMetal — March 4, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
Nope, in the suburbs near me the houses by the trains start at about $750,000 and there’s no transportation to the trains.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:45 pmShayne: I understand. Alot of people do live in such settings…and I do ensure that my distance is close enough to home that I can just hop on my Sun EZ-3 USX and ride there. Electric Assist does help extend that range, though.
Maybe what we need here in the states are electric assisted velomobiles…bikes with shells on them to keep the environment out and electric assists that consume alot less carbon than even the lightest car.
Nevar: Someone’s gotta look after the crates, you know. :P
March 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pmNor does mass transit provide an answer for many , either……..
Comment by MCMetal
Unfortunately, you’re going to have to suffer personally to solve these problems. Might suck to take mass transit, but doesn’t suck enough to keep those who don’t have the luxury of choosing “car or bus” from riding. You might even have to move into the city, sell your house and live in an apartment, but you won’t die. This issue comes down to how well you’re able to survive during truly hard times.
If you’re waiting for someone/thing to bail us out, you’re sh*t outta luck.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pmComment by belac — March 4, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
Belac, that’s my point, Exactly! If we can spend Trillions on an illegal occupation, just imagine all of the great things that could happen if we had some leadership and the will to create a national project on the scale of Apollo.
The side industries alone boggle the mind, not to mention an end to terrorism. We would no longer be funding the Saudis and they would stop funding the hate schools that spawn terrorists.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pmJeremy in Denver
very sorry …….. I now realise you did not post the original post
sincerely meant
March 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pmHere’s what I am considering for my driving dilemma:
http://www.zapworld.com/electric-vehicles/electric-cars/xebra-sedan
The only real problem with this vehicle is that it’s max speed is 40 mph. The speed limit on most of my drive is 45 to 55. I am somewhat afraid that the people following me might just try to force me off the road after following me for 3-4 miles.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pmJeremy in Denver – PS dont call me a fool im posting facts FOR alternative energies
March 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pmMaybe what we need here in the states are electric assisted velomobiles…bikes with shells on them to keep the environment out and electric assists that consume alot less carbon than even the lightest car.
Comment by Jeremy in Denver — March 4, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
My bosses husband has one that he had custom built by a kayak maker in B.C.- the thing is awesome, fully enclosed, completly custom fittted, eletronic assist, and cost around 4,000 dollars… he rides it everywhere here in Seattle, no problems… wish I had one…
March 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pmMDI cars. Hope they gain a foothold in the USA.
March 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pmI am somewhat afraid that the people following me might just try to force me off the road after following me for 3-4 miles.
You’ll probably get the same reaction from people gawking at the quiet, odd little car your driving. Good on you!
March 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pmComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 4, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
We’re on the same page, RRRW- see my post at #67…
March 4th, 2008 at 5:00 pmThis stuff about “we could never do it” is laughable…
MDI cars. Hope they gain a foothold in the USA.
Comment by hellinabucket
Sounds too good to be true!
March 4th, 2008 at 5:01 pmStill needing natural gas and oil.
There’s more than one reason they call it “the dirty south.”
March 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pmComment by belac — March 4, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
Had to give you a recommend on #67! Visionary indeed! ;)
We could be on our way to the greatest ecconomic boom ever seen if we had just taken that other path 7 short years ago…
Man, now I’m depressed. Why is this so hard for the rest of this country to see?
March 4th, 2008 at 5:06 pmComment by Southern Man — March 4, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
Have you considered simple lifestyle changes to decrease demand until such time as a more viable solution is available to you?
March 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pmSouthern Man
March 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pmbetter keep your head
Don’t forget – Electricty can be cabled in from out of state from windfarms
Comment by Southern Man — March 4, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
First of all, it’s not a solar energy shield- that’s ‘Star Trek’ or maybe Ray-Guns magical ‘Star Wars’ missle sheild- those are both fairy tales.
March 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pmWind farms and solar energy panels are a REAL solution to the energy crisis that get better and better everyday… but no one is suggesting that this is the ONLY solution for energy production.
Like most intoxicants, Natural gas and Oil are fine in moderation but you guys are on a binge! Time to investigate other methods of power production- site specific methods, like perhaps tide generators that would take advantage of those hurricanes? Let’s diversify our energy options, make sense?
The only real problem with this vehicle is that it’s max speed is 40 mph. The speed limit on most of my drive is 45 to 55. I am somewhat afraid that the people following me might just try to force me off the road after following me for 3-4 miles.
Comment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
Ho ho! I’ve been in the store in Portland and talked to the people there about possibly using electric cars at work. Judging from their response, the current versions (built in China) are well-suited for very local service in an urban environment, but in addition to the speed restriction (imposed in part because they lack standard safety equipment like airbags) they have a fairly limited travel distance before they need to be recharged.
Best thing in the store were the little Zappy scooters, which they’re promoting primarily for use in warehouses. Amazingly fast and very easy to ride. And fun!
March 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — March 4, 2008 @ 4:52 pm
Thanks for the laugh!!!
March 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pmEvery time I think about the mess we are in right now I go back to thinking that if we had just listened to Jimmy Carter way back when, we would all be sitting pretty right now. Unfortunately world affairs caused him to lose to Reagan who undid all the things Carter did to get us on the road to sustainability.
March 4th, 2008 at 5:12 pmOK so what’s the Dems plan? What are they going to do to make gas less expensive at the pump?
Comment by VA Voter
I think we should pass a law that allows us to sue people like you who voted for this. We knew it was going to happen…….why didn’t you?
March 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pmUnfortunately world affairs caused him to lose to Reagan who undid all the things Carter did to get us on the road to sustainability.
Comment by bilbobaggins
World affairs? I think it was more like reagun trading with the enemy to undermine a sitting president in an American military effort to free the hostages.
March 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pmNor does mass transit provide an answer for many , either……..
Comment by MCMetal
Unfortunately, you’re going to have to suffer personally to solve these problems. Might suck to take mass transit, but doesn’t suck enough to keep those who don’t have the luxury of choosing “car or bus†from riding. You might even have to move into the city, sell your house and live in an apartment, but you won’t die. This issue comes down to how well you’re able to survive during truly hard times.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 4, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Much of this could have been resolved if we’d invested more in public transit in the first place, but I get defensive about people suggesting that there is something wrong with mass transit. It doesn’t suck. At least, it doesn’t have to, depending on where you are and how much foresight has been used.
Of course, I work for a public transit agency, so I am prejudiced, but a lot of people are moving to places like Portland specifically because a car isn’t required. If people start thinking ahead and starting planning not only communities but their own lives, a lot of what we think of as “essential” could be done without — like a private automobile, or the sort of households that have more automobiles than they have drivers.
March 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pmSouthern Man-
March 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pmThe larger point is:
OIL and GAS are going to remain the “only answer” as long as nobody starts asking intelligent questions…
None of us knows where alternative energy research will lead and OIL and GAS COMPANIES would like it to stay that way- but just because THEY are heavily invested in these Dinosaur technologies doesn’t mean that we have to follow…
Start now! You will begin to see benefits that none of us have dreamed of yet…
World affairs? I think it was more like reagun trading with the enemy to undermine a sitting president in an American military effort to free the hostages.
Comment by Fred
And the hostage situation was “world affairs”. It’s too bad that the voters were hoodwinked by Reagan. And here they were hoodwinked again by Bush. Show how gullible the American public can be.
March 4th, 2008 at 5:35 pmComment by bilbobaggins — March 4, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
You are so right. We’d have been energy independent years ago if Carter’s plan, which for the most part was enacted, hadn’t been dismantled by the Reagan admn.
March 4th, 2008 at 6:07 pmhe rides it everywhere here in Seattle, no problems… wish I had one…
Comment by belac
I have seen that guy, it’s awesome.
March 4th, 2008 at 6:10 pmWind farms and solar energy shields would not work here in Louisiana because of the frequency of huricanes and other Gulf related storms that carry strong winds, heavy rains, and hail. Where does that leave us? Still needing natural gas and oil.
Comment by Southern Man — March 4, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
damn, you are stupid on a championship level.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
Comment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
and you sheep have no patriotism. Shame on you for allowing the oil billionaires to rob the citizenry in a time of war. Shame on you, you filthy pig.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:57 pmin case VA Voter is utterly oblivious to the history of civilization, and I suspect that is in fact the case:
THERE ARE ALWAYS TAXES IN CIVILIZED SOCIETIES
GET OVER IT, OR MOVE TO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE NO TAXES
March 4th, 2008 at 8:32 pmThe trolls have all left grade school and are hiding in the basement. They only like to cause a stir and waste our time.
Either that or they want a return of the Hitler youth to make them feel good about their lives.
Pitiful isn’t it.
March 4th, 2008 at 9:21 pmYou sheep just love to tax things.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:06 pmComment by VA Voter — March 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
No, pinhead, we like to PAY for things. You like to borrow from your unborn grandchildren.
Interesting how oil has increased from 65 to 100 dollars/bbl since the Dubai Mercantile Exchange opened on June 1 last year and began trading oil futures. Nice little deal they have with NYMEX.
March 5th, 2008 at 3:52 am