What people might want to think about is Clinton will NOT beat McCain in the demographics where she enjoys superiority over Obama. The states where the population is as I describe above will not choose Clinton over McCain. He will beat her.
Her campaign tactics have turned off many Democrats, so she will lose the youthful vote, the Obama supporters who resent her campaign tactics, and those who were hoping for change.
In Clinton vs. McCain — Clinton loses.

Obama vs. McCain — new ballgame, better odds, broader support across all Democrats and independents.

So you support giving Hillary the popular vote and the delegates from a state where his name was not even on the ballot?

And if you want to include Florida, you will have to have the election again because a lot of Democrats stayed home and didn’t vote because they thought their vote wouldn’t count.

As far as your contention that Obama can’t win, hogwash. He beats McCain in almost every poll that is taken whereas Hillary rarely does. And, he is the one who can unify the party once the primaries are over.

There is a quote by her husband Bill that you need to think about, that is:

“If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.”-Bill Clinton, 2004

So Hate, which candidate is trying to scare us, Hillary or Barak? Which candidate is appealing to our fears, Hillary or Barak?

So, if Bill Clinton meant what he said, he would recommend we all vote for Barak Obama because he is not trying to scare the pants off of us and he has a message of hope.

oops, meaning “making Obama’s face darker”, not lighter.

Would you care to back up any of your idiot statements here with proof?

You are beginning to sound like a rabid dog. Does Hillary losing bother you that much? Do you really not mind Hillary’s fear mongering (out of Karl Rove’s playbook), race baiting (making Obama’s face lighter in an advertisement and then lying about it) and especially her giving John McCain cannon fodder by saying only she and Obama have enough experience to win.

Since you are such a Hillary lover, maybe you can explain to us where all of Hillary’s “foreign experience” comes from. Also, tell us about the incidents she has been involved in where she has proved her readiness to :answer the phone at 3:00 am and keep us safe”.

And while you are at it, can you tell us where she gets her “35 years of experience”.

Hillary has proved herself a liar. I would think you’d be against something like that.

~Hussein Zooey

she was WRONG to have included florida and michigan in her totals…

those problems have not been settled yet…

she cheated in both states, and that’s the only reason she can claim a “win”…

florida and michigan do need to be counted – in a 2nd attempt, a RE-DO…

STOP THE LIES. … and the HATE.

i am all for Obama – will be ecstatic

i am all for all the good folks who are regulars here, esp. Bilbo, Ralph, 2Mil, Zooey, Jane&Wayne, Arn, TRoS, and just everybody. the “community” is awesome, and welcome medicine in the midst of a fever-dream of R insanity.

i am D first and last (though clinton was a little R-ish for my tastes) BO or HC will have my vote as soon as the polls open. nothing either of them does or says is going to change that. it would be insane for anyone alive not to charge the polls and vote D this fall. purely insane.

it’s about the R’s everybody, and getting the hell rid of them. as long as they’re in business, none of the rest of this really matters.

When it comes to who I think might be better at going-after-R’s-with-a-vengeance once in office, it may be that HRC would deal with them more savagely than Obama, and that’s the most important thing in the world to me. Cold, hard justice for the criminals that run that thing they call a political party.

No matter what she says or how she campaigns I don’t think she should be written off. If Obama’s taking the flak he is from her now, imagine what her team will do to McCracker, and to the remaining R’s in Congress come ‘09.

Because, if you bother to read up about it, the fact is that it is statistically impossible for Hillary to get enough delegates without winning all the remaining delegates. And even then she would come up short.

Read this and educate yourself:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/its-3-am-and-hillarys_b_89936.html

BTW, I haven’t seen you condemning Hillary for her fear mongering scorched earth policies. Do you think it is OK for her to act like Karl Rove. After all, she went on Fox this morning and smiled and flirted with Rove.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20080305/cm_usatoday/itsnotaboutmeitsaboutourbrokensystem;_ylt=AsAUx0oRos6vBoWrd39lhWn9wxIF

“Imagine if one of the esteemed Selectmen in Brattleboro were discovered to be accepting bribes, handing out public dollars to his friends, and torturing children in the basement. Would an appropriate response be “How awful, but you know he’s retiring in another year and those children are used to being tortured by now anyway?” That response is not even imaginable.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00043.htm

but, i really really really do hate that hillary has turned to rove…

for example:

…THE CLIP OF HILLARY ON FOX & FRIENDS,
CHUCKLING WITH AND THANKING KARL ROVE FOR HIS SWEET
REMINDER TO HER ABOUT PRESIDENT’S BIRTHDAYS !!!

holy crap… how can she even THINK that is a good idea…
disgusting.

to be found at:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/hillary-lays-it-on-thick-on-fox-friends/

You noted: “It is already evident who the nominee should be” Considering Hillary is less than 100 delegates behind Obama, I don’t see how this is so “evident” Why should Hillary be the one to quit? I imagine if Obama wanted to throw in the towel and give the nomination to Hillary, we wouldn’t need to worry about a “sorched earth” policy there either.

Furthermore, you noted: “God, I wish she would accept defeat gracefully. But, it’s not likely she will do that.”

Again, she is less than 100 delegates behind. What if she is to end up with more delegates than Obama? Wouldn’t that make her the presumtive nominee? Should it be Obama’s responsibility to accept defeat at that point?

I hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong. Hillary’s fear mongering, blackening Obama’s face and claiming that only she and McCain have the experience to lead are feeding right into the Republican play book. I don’t see why you folks don’t see that as alarming.

I have already, today, heard two people I work with say if Hillary Clinton is the candidate, they aren’t going to vote.

Are you actually suggesting the votes of those poeple who have yet to vote in their state’s primaries shouln’t count?
And I already noted Hillary is upsetting me with her tactics, but with that said, there are literally millions of people who voted for her yesterday. Sorry if you disagree with their vote, but they still get to vote for whomever they want whether it suits you or not. To think, just a few months ago you were complaining about how only a fraction of the American people get to choose the presidental nominee and now that the states towards the end of the process have a chance to decide who will win, you want to take it away from them.
Comment by dim wit

Ok, let’s see how many ways you can misrepresent my positions. Please show me where I said that the votes of the people yet to vote in a primary don’t count. And also show he where I said I disagree with the vote. How can you disagree with how people voted.

All I am saying is that it is pretty much statistically impossible for Hillary to win enough delegates to take the nomination. And I am saying that her scorched earth tactics and fear mongering are NOT going to help the Democratic party remain united.

Personally, I believe that all elections should simply be based on the popular vote. That is the only way that one man one vote is a reality. But in today’s world we have the delegate system and the reality of that system is that Hillary Clinton can’t get enough delegates by the convention to lock it up. And by pushing it to the convention she is splitting the Democratic party and draining funds that they could use in the general election.

I will vote for Hillary Clinton if it comes to that, but I will be holding my nose while I do it.

My Grandfather was a democrat, my father was a democrat…..I am a democrat. One of the first things I learned in life was that what they teach you in civics class about ignoring the party and vote for the best man is bull.

If I don’t like the democrats then I will work to change them. I will not vote or enable a republican out of spite…..ever

Any democrat will do more for American citizens by accident than any republican will do for them on purpose.

The description of a split in the Democratic Party right now is imaginary and by design…..of the right…..don’t fall for it. You guys are a lot more upset about it than the average American.

those who say Hillary is a war monger……..I never fear and have no reason to believe that Hillary would ever have invaded and occupied Iraq….sorry…don’t believe it would have happened.

As far as her health care attempt in the 90’s which many of you choose to call a failure…….I blame most of you for turning your back on her. She tried….you cannot call that a failure….she is still trying.

Mr Obama is an elegant and intelligent young man…..So was JFK. I have every faith that either of these amazing people can lead our country to a better existence than any republican…….ever.

There is a reason why the republicans were the minority party for 50 years…..you are seeing that reason now…..the American people are having to admit that now because it is actually touching their individual lives……its the economy…again….

Have faith Democrats, the future is bright……we are going to be finally given the opportunity to correct some of the the damage done by 30 years of republican influence