KBR Dodges $500 Million In Social Security And Medicare Taxes In Cheney-Backed Scheme
KBR Dodges $500 Million In Social Security And Medicare Taxes In Cheney-Backed Scheme
No private contractor has financially profited from the Iraq war more than Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), which until last year was a subsidiary of Halliburton. The firm currently has more than 21,000 employees in Iraq, and between 2004 and 2006, received more than $16 billion in government contracts — far more than any other corporation.
Yet KBR hasn’t been passing on these enormous profits to American taxpayers or even its own employees, thanks to a plan that Vice President Cheney helped establish. Today, the Boston Globe reports that KBR has avoided paying more than $500 million “in federal Medicare and Social Security taxes by hiring workers through shell companies” based in the Cayman Islands. A look at the costs to KBR employees:
While KBR’s use of the shell companies saves workers their half of the taxes, it deprives them of future retirement benefits.
In addition, the practice enables KBR to avoid paying unemployment taxes in Texas, where the company is registered, amounting to between $20 and $559 per American employee per year, depending on the company’s rate of turnover.
As a result, workers hired through the Cayman Island companies cannot receive unemployment assistance should they lose their jobs.
KBR’s practices are extreme, even compared to its competitors. Other top Iraq war contractors — including Bechtel and Parsons — pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for their employees.
The Bush administration has aided this tax dodging. One of KBR’s shell companies is Overseas Administrative Services, which was set up two months after Cheney became Halliburtion’s CEO in 1995. Since at least 2004, the Pentagon has known about KBR’s practices, but chosen to ignore the issue.
Of course, KBR is more than happy to claim workers as its own in one instance: when seeking “legal immunity extended to employers working in Iraq.”
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March 6th, 2008 at 11:46 amOf course, this has Cheney/Rove stink all over it.
Defrauding the American Treasury out of it’s rightful share?
Impeachable offense # 4,598,398.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:47 amer,
March 6th, 2008 at 11:47 amRHUsseinCerious
Unfreakinbelievable. But I’m sure hundreds of corporations related to Bushco do exactly the same thing. In the old days when the U. S. contracted work out contractors had to meet certain requirements. Apparently not any more.
Shayne Hussein
March 6th, 2008 at 11:53 amThis just seems so out of character for Mr. Cheney.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:54 amThese corporations should cease to exist. Perhaps they should be nationalized and become part of the military?
March 6th, 2008 at 11:54 amWhy, how …..TYPICAL of them!
~Hussein Annie
March 6th, 2008 at 11:55 amThe fact is if they get laid off they will get benefits charged against the last employer that hired them as regular employees. Nice try jason.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:55 amI hear that the Cayman Islands are very nice, stingrays to pet, pretty water to splash around in, but with all of the shady business going on there (shell companies, money-laundering banks) I have no desire to visit.
With all of our surveillance capabilities you’d think they’d be looking into that place.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am“Since at least 2004, the Pentagon has known about KBR’s practices, but chosen to ignore the issue.”
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Yes, the Pentagon has been a good, obedient puppy.
How many people and entities who have bribed, blackmailed, or browbeaten into aiding, abetting, or ignoring the criminal will of this administration will zap back into some set of morals once Bushco is out of business?
Will it be right away? Will they be so shell-shocked that it will take awhile? Or, having sold all their souls, will it be never?
~ Miss Hussein Molly
March 6th, 2008 at 11:58 amShayne, then the argument that the employees will be victims if they get laid off doesn’t hold water.
Mmm, the waters run still, but quite shallow in this one.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:58 amHint:
Jason, read the fcuking entire post, links and all, before attempting to post.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:59 amCheney aiding an abetting corporate crime is news?
March 6th, 2008 at 11:59 amEconomic fascism. Another happy day for corporate welfare.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:59 amCheney aiding an abetting corporate crime is news?
Nope, but the complicity of the entire nation should be.
Amerikkka, the fcuked.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pmjason - do you REALLY want to go there? Do you REALLY want to talk about how the Pentagon spends our hard-earned taxes?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pmComment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @
Your density is amusing.
How’s high school computer lab treating you?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pmIf they are getting paid MORE because their not being taxed, that will cover their unemployment, whether it is because they were laid off or quit. I think I would prefer that option.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 11:54 am
Sure jason as long as they don’t take advantage of any of the services that taxes afford. Like roads, and police and congress and the MILITARY because the rest of us should pay for these leeches so they can pocket all their money. Oh yeah, and when they come back without healthcare and don’t buy insurance because they’re out of a job, I hope they won’t be showing up at any emergency rooms looking for care, let the freeloaders die at home.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pmThey are simply war profiteers.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pmThis is the reason why Kerry voted against the initial “war” funding bill and was roundly criticized for his vote. The bill he wanted passed was a bill that said that there would be no contractors in Iraq that did not pay taxes in the United States. If that bill had passed, KBR and Halliburton would not have been eligible for contracts.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pmIt is precisely business practices like this which make me so adamantly opposed to continuation of the the Bush-era war profiteering. As an Edwards support, I knew where the candidate stood, and was confident that KBR, Haliburton, etc. would be totally cut out of the government contract game as of Jan 20, 2009. With Obama, I’m reasonably sure, but with Clinton, I’m not sure at all. Her “experience” (i.e. time spent in D.C.) leads me to believe she may end up beholden to these corporations just like McCain would be. I eagerly await evidence that this would not be the case. Why haven’t there been any questions about contracting and reconstruction in Iraq at the democratic debates?
- Zathusseinrus
March 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pmWe all know how responsible the government is with our money…
Well, jason, I certainly know how responsible the GDumbya regime has been with my money. It has an unparalleled record:
March 6th, 2008 at 12:03 pm1. a trillion-dollar misadventure in Iraq
2. drug benefit for Medicare with no ability to negotiate pricing
3. cronyism and nepotism in hiring (FEMA — need I say more?)
The list could go on and on.
It’s really funny that trolls like you can rant on and on about “liberals” and democrats but, when it comes to republicans, you think that even their farts smell like roses.
The bill he wanted passed was a bill that said that there would be no contractors in Iraq that did not pay taxes in the United States.
This single event is enough to cite the entire push for war in Iraq as a money grab, on all levels, and NOTHING MORE.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:04 pmDNFP I do agree. The country as a whole is sitting on their hands and letting it happen.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:04 pmHow about JasonHussein54301’s “Obama Misinformation”?
“I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:04 pmOh my, if they get laid off they will not get unemployment benefits!!! If they don’t get laid off, they don’t get unemployment benefits either, but they paid for them anyway.
Comment by jason54301
I doubt that is the case. Right now our government pays death benefits to families of contractors who die in Iraq even though we pay through the nose for those contractors. What makes you think that they would not also be allowed unemployment benefits?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:05 pmWilliam Jefferson - what was he doing with $90,000 in his freezer? Anyone?
Keeping his money very, very cold.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:05 pmI suppose the government should have that money so they can buy some mor $50,000 toilet seats. We all know how responsible the government is with our money…
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Is this just a troll-turd to derail the thread, or are you attempting to make a valid case that it’s OK to employ a scheme on this scale (or ANY scale) to pay taxes because the government supposedly wastes money?
If it’s the latter, please make an attempt to A) make an intelligent argument, and B) support it with some links.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:05 pmSorry, forgot –
~ Miss Hussein Molly
March 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pmJason sez:
“Yeah, my guys are crooks, but your guys might be crooks too!”
March 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pmWhat about Cheney?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pmJason stay on topic here, that is old and already been talked about. Get it together.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pmjason are you new here? We’ve gone over all of your supposed pertinent points ages ago and there was a consensus here that ALL corruption is bad. Old news. Already been gone over plenty.
Now, back to the topic of this thread. KBR is helping to bankrupt this country. Are you okay with that Jason?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pmWell said shayne and zathrus and others.
Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act. look into it.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pmWilliam Jefferson - what was he doing with $90,000 in his freezer? Anyone? How about Harry Reid’s land deals? How about Diane Feinsteins connections with the military contractors that are making money hand over fist in Iraq?
Comment by jason54301
First, one will see that this troll only lists the Democrats who have possible nefarious dealings, not the many more Republicans. Second, how does this make Halliburton and KBR ripping off our government OK?
I wonder if the RNC has a class that they require all their trolls to take called “How to build a straw man”.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:08 pmIs this just a troll-turd to derail the thread,
No, but this is:
Shayne, what is you position on Illegal Immigrants then?
Comment by jason54301
Get lost dork. Research, study on your own, quit relying on others to spoon feed info to you.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:08 pmAnyone defending KBR and or Cheney is unamerican in the worst way.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:08 pmSo jason how much did Obama buying his house cost the taxpayer. The “mistake” was buying real estate while his friend was under investigation.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:09 pmDumbass.
I don’t like the idea of paying taxes to a government that abuses and mismanages MY MONEY to grease the palms of their friends and buy votes, REGARDLESS of who is in the White House.
Comment by jason54301 It dosen’t sound like it to me.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:10 pmAn interesting point of fact you might want to know. There is one house in the Caymen Islands that is home to over 14,000 corporations. Isn’t that amazing? The reason why it is home to 14,000 corporations is that by incorporating in the Caymen Islands, even though they have no presence there other than an address to that house, helps them avoid many US taxes. I wonder how much of our obscene national debt could be paid off if we were to collect the taxes these corporations didn’t pay.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pmTaxes are so for the little guys.
/snark on
March 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pmand you conveniently forget about the D scandals.
Actually, cabin-boy, this thread has a topic which we would like to discuss.
Stick to it, or shut THE fcuk up.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWilliam Jefferson - what was he doing with $90,000 in his freezer? Anyone? How about Harry Reid’s land deals? How about Diane Feinsteins connections with the military contractors that are making money hand over fist in Iraq?
Comment by jason54301
This guy wants to distract us from billions……billions that we have been defrauded out of by kbr and halliburton by talking about chump change and unemployment chump change….nice try but we’re not dumb like the republicans you are used to talking to…..not to mention the fact…..fact that the ratio of corrupt congressment/senators is about 20/1……… republicans are the 20……
you are the flag bearer for the most corrupt group of people to ever exist on our planet.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pmShayne, what is you position on Illegal Immigrants then?
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
My position is that employers that hired them should be charged and fined per existing laws that are not enforced because Bush likes his buddies making bigger profits. If there were no jobs for illegals they wouldn’t come here would they.
Shayne Hussein
March 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pmI listed D scandals to contrast with all the R scandals. I KNOW you know about the R scandals, and you conveniently forget about the D scandals.
Comment by jason54301
This odious troll thinks we forget about the “D” scandals. I guess it hasn’t been around for very long because we frequently discuss the D scandals here and have condemned them as much as we have condemned the R scandals.
Perhaps this troll can direct us to R blogs where they discuss the R scandals. I doubt they exist.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pmI’m sorry everybody, I guess I wasn’t paying attention. I didn’t notice anything in the thread about immigration or the couple of times a year the dems make the news compared to the “everyday debacle” of the republicans.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pmoops Fred Hussein
may need to follow bilbos lead
March 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pmI don’t like the idea of paying taxes to a government that abuses and mismanages MY MONEY to grease the palms of their friends and buy votes, REGARDLESS of who is in the White House.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
And yet you’re defending this White House on this issue. Or did you not even read the headline of this thread?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pmYeah, go to Drudge so you can stroke other guys like you and only know what you hear and hear what you want to believe.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pmNo, the mistake is that he has dealings with bagmen from the middle-east. And being corrupt in small local issues shows that he will be corrupt on large national issues
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
How many pictures of Bush swapping spit with Saudi’s do you need to see to get a clue? Corrupt on large national issues? Are you really this stupid? That was rhetorical of course.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pmI think off-shore tax havens are un-American.
Why should KBR get paid with our taxes (or our children and grandchildren’s taxes) while taking advantage of off-shore tax havens?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pmFred, 78% of all statistics are made up…
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Including this one?
Oh… the irony…
March 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pmThey’re going to have to hold an American Idol type contest if they’re loking for someone who can fu(k things up as badly as Chimpy did.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pmNot defending, just saying it is wrong to focus on a microcosm of something huge! You want Bush out so you can replace him with someone who will do the same.
Geez, did someone post a link to TP on a mental illness blog?????
March 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pmHow about we start protecting our national industries by imposing tarriffs on imports? There’s an idea, stop taxing ourselves so much and tax other countries.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
It was Reagan and the Bush boys that took tariffs off imports not Democrats. Look it up idiot boy.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:22 pmFred, 78% of all statistics are made up…
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Including this one?
Oh… the irony…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
damn…..that is so funny……his whole answer was to make a complete and total fool of himself…..
fred hussein.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:24 pmReagan’s chickens coming home to roost. We should have listened to Eisenhower, the last real Republican president.
Eisenhower predicted Cheney.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pmFred, 78% of all statistics are made up…
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
But jason is 100% bootlicking stupid.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pmDefrauding the government is TREASON!!!!
Execute them ALL!!!
March 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pmI just remembered I have something MUCH more important to do than listen to a retarded troll attempting to post logical statements…
(bangs head on wall repeatedly…)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:26 pmOK, for the moment lets assume that the mercenaries are doing so out of loyalty to the USA way of life. As such they are risking their lives for the USA. So shouldn’t we support them under the Support our Troops mantra ?
And isn’t this a really &)*&)(* way to treat our troops - denying them even Social Security for their service.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pmjason is taking the role of the concern troll to new heights. Congrats.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:28 pmShayne, the illegals would still come here because they still get on welfare and get free health care.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
**cough** (clears throat…) Excuse me?
http://blogs.chron.com/ immigration/ archives/ 2008/ 01/ post_80.html
Illegal immigrants on welfare: fact or fiction?
Illegal immigrants swarm into our country and quickly jump on the welfare rolls. They cost hard-working U.S. citizens billions and billions of dollars in taxes because of this subsidy.
That’s a familiar, easy charge leveled by critics of illegal immigration. But is it fact or fiction?
It’s actually a myth, according to the Congressional Research Service, the investigative arm of Congress. This point is highlighted as one of the “top five immigration myths of the campaign season,” a list put out by the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:28 pmjason is taking the role of the concern troll to new heights. Congrats.
Comment by Dr. Matt — March 6, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
Yeah, but what would TP be w/out trolls?
Whack-a-Trollâ„¢… the Sport of Kings!
March 6th, 2008 at 12:29 pmKindred
March 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pmBush
Republicans
They’re going to have to hold an American Idol type contest if they’re loking for someone who can fu(k things up as badly as Chimpy did.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — March 6, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
They are, Marcus… they are.
It’s called “The Primaries…”
March 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pmI wonder if the RNC has a class that they require all their trolls to take called “How to build a straw manâ€.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 6, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
It must be a remedial class.
Oh, hell, all their classes must be remedial.
- Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pmNot defending, just saying it is wrong to focus on a microcosm of something huge! You want Bush out so you can replace him with someone who will do the same.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
We want Bush out? He can’t run again dimwit. But if you think he’s so great that you wish he could stay longer you have serious issues.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pmKeep
March 6th, 2008 at 12:32 pmBetter
Records
Those programs are anti-American anyway.
/sarc
March 6th, 2008 at 12:32 pmIs it a good idea or not?
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
Tariffs were a great idea. Why did Republicans remove them?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:33 pmI wonder if the RNC has a class that they require all their trolls to take called “How to build a straw manâ€.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 6, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
The prerequisite is “Self-lobotomy 101″.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:34 pmToo bad you think I’m stupid Shayne, we seem to agree on illegal immigration and protecting our industries. What does that make you???
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
I don’t “think” you’re stupid. I’m 100% certain. And that statistic IS NOT made up.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:35 pmMcCain = herr dubyah part II.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:35 pmJason can’t seem to pull his head out of that dank orifice long enough to address this thread.
Sad little blind monkey.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:35 pmFred, 78% of all statistics are made up…
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Let me fix this. “Fred, 78% of all statistics QUOTED BY ME are made up.”
There.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pmIllegal Immigrants are welfare in Wisconsin. It is ILLEGAL to ask for citizenship status or require SSN or state issued ID for get welfare assistance. We woulndn’t want to disenfranchise anyone….
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
You believe you can get welfare without a Social Security number? You have officially sunk to new lows of stupid.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pmSo dick’s outfit has profited more than any other.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pmReally hard to see that one coming since they were raking in no-bid contracts right from the start.
That’s just a coincidence though.
‘Cause, he had nothing to do with the ‘pearl harbor event’.
Illegal Immigrants are welfare in Wisconsin. It is ILLEGAL to ask for citizenship status or require SSN or state issued ID for get welfare assistance. We woulndn’t want to disenfranchise anyone….
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
I somehow doubt what you’re saying is true. You must need SOME proof of residency, etc, etc….
A little substantiation?
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm‘Cause, he had nothing to do with the ‘pearl harbor event’.
Comment by Keith H. — March 6, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
The Dickster really didn’t have fistfuls of Halliburton options at the time either!
March 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pmIf you were a foreign company desirous of ripping off the U.S., you couldn’t do a better job than these at KBR.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pmOOps! Gotta suit fer Game Time!
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pmIts funny you call me a dimwit. You listen to the presidential debates and congressional ads and it sounds like the Dems are campaigning against him.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
That’s because everybody by you 17 percenters are disgusted by his imcompetence. Campaigning against him is like shooting quail with clipped wings in a fenced playground with birdshot. Oh I forgot, you people are impressed by Cheney too.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pmThis new troll jason sounds very familiar…
Did JMH get banned and get resurrected?
March 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pmEven if they DID require a SSN, they are for sale.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
Me’tin’ks tha goal posts just got moved… SNARK attack!
March 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pmFred, you are sooooo slow. It was SUPPOSED to be ironic…mirroring your made up statistic of 20/1.
Comment by jason54301
I’m not as quick as many here jason but at least I am smart enough to address what you said and respond intellegently. You have failed to do that. All you do is try to make democrats look as bad as your repubican buddies and it just can’t be done.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pmWe need change from George Bush. George Bush ruined the country. I am not like George Bush. It is time for a change from George Bush. Maybe someone should get THEM the memo that GB can’t run again.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
McCain? That’s the best you guys could do? Sad really.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:43 pmthis newbie jason from green bay is a HOOT!
it’s like he just found a 2003 edition of the righty play book…
go back to sleep, hon… we’ve got big problems to fix…
and you’re not helping…
- K. Hussein Aty
March 6th, 2008 at 12:44 pmApparently 21000 people don’t have a problem with KBR’s tax haven….
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
This doesn’t make any sense… Oops… my bad. We’re talking to a troll here.
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:45 pmI addressed the thread, noone has yet to prove me wrong. The workers are not ‘victims’
Furthermore, even if they WERE ‘victims’, I THINK we still have the choice to work for whomever we chose in this country…or even the Caymans.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
The real point of the thread you apparently didn’t understand is how the citizens of this country are victims and are being defrauded.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:45 pmWhy would anyone vote for the person that couldn’t beat Bush in 2000?
The Republicans thought McCain was worse than Bush and we all know how bad Bush is.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:47 pmThe Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 6, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
As soon as I get some money can I send it to you?
Shayne Hussein
March 6th, 2008 at 12:47 pmGuys the efforts to try to talk to this latest troll are as effective as talking to a fence post. Except, of course, a fence post is more intelligent.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:47 pmWhy should we continue any deal with KBR when there are other companies that do pay taxes that could also fill the services currently provided by these fake patriots.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:48 pmEven if they DID require a SSN, they are for sale.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
Which is it jason, first you said they didn’t need them now you’re saying they’re for sale. Make up your mind Sybil.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:48 pmAs soon as I get some money can I send it to you?
Shayne Hussein
Comment by Shayne — March 6, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Send… ME… money? Why… of course… you can. As much as you want.
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:49 pmMake up your mind Sybil.
Comment by Shayne — March 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Righto! Moving the goal posts!
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Stupidity (A Safe Off-Shore Haven for All the Husseins of the World!)
March 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm115: Liberals flooding Republican Primaries, just like Republicans did in Texas.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Does this new troll have any evidence of this? Even anecdotal?
Silly me, what am I saying? Trolls aren’t required to provide evidence of their trolling points.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 12:51 pmI love all animals, especially my lab.
But if I had a puppy like Jason, I’d kick it’s a$$ till my foot smelled like sh*t.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pmLiberals flooding Republican Primaries, just like Republicans did in Texas.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Good one. I guess you are Jason Hendler. Did you get embarrassed because you got busted on that Stanford is where you got your “Ivy League” education debacle and change names. Or were you banned under JMH?
Democrats are in a heavily contested primary and you think they’re going to throw their votes away on McCain? You slay me.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pmWorked on the playground
5 minutes ago.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pm115: Liberals flooding Republican Primaries, just like Republicans did in Texas.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
That’s funny… haven’t heard about this ANYWHERE. Links? Substantiation?
On the other hand, I think it’s hysterically funny that Limbaugh’s minions did just what the Fatman told them to do and got X’ed out of their own primaries. Way ta go, El Rushbo!
March 6th, 2008 at 12:53 pmjason54301, could you please answer my question:
Why would anyone vote for the person that couldn’t beat Bush in 2000?
The Republicans thought McCain was worse than Bush and we all know how bad Bush is.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pmComment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:51 pm
Either you are drunk blogging or you are incapable of putting together a coherent thought.
The problem is your posts are off topic and incoherent.
Try thinking and then posting a complete thought that is relevant to the dicussion.
Doh.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pmYou’re all completely right, ANYTHING Republican bad, ANTYHING Democrat good.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:51 pm
I think this one needs to take Remedial Straw Man Building over again.
It keeps trying to use shredded newspaper (WSJ, of course) to stuff its effigy instead of good ol’ clover hay from the American heartland like the troll handbook specifies.
It would help if its straw man had arms, legs and a head, too, instead of just a torso made from a plastic grocery bag.
Not very artful, jason. Really.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pmBut if I had a puppy like Jason, I’d kick it’s a$$ till my foot smelled like sh*t.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 6, 2008 @ 12:53
If puppies were like Jason, they wouldn’t be “man’s best friend”. And it’s not just his a$$ that smells like sh*t. When you spend your days with your head wedged firmly up your r*ctum, well you get the idea.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:56 pmKBR Dodges $500 Million In Social Security And Medicare Taxes
In Cheney-Backed Scheme
No private contractor has financially profited from the Iraq war more than Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), which until last year was a subsidiary of Halliburton.
no wonder it hurts…
we’re being fooked by an elephant…
troolls LOVE it!
- K. Hussein Aty
March 6th, 2008 at 12:57 pmTroll troll troll…I win.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Jason M. Hendler, the only American with an Ivy League education not on the east coast. I guess that’s the reason for the name change. Poor little loser.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:58 pm22% congress approval rating, DEMOCRAT congress approval rating…But Democrat good, Republican bad.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Okay- let’s put this one to bed… people don’t elect CONGRESS they elect their MEMBER of Congress… how are Democrats’ approval ratings in their districts? Pretty good.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:59 pmHow do Republicans’ do in THEIR districts? Not as well. That’s why so many are retiring this year.
OVERALL the Approval of Congress has been low but as poll after poll has shown that has more to do with Congress not opposing Bush strongly ENOUGH!
KBR Dodges $500 Million In Social Security And Medicare Taxes
In Cheney-Backed Scheme
No private contractor has financially profited from the Iraq war more than Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), which until last year was a subsidiary of Halliburton.
Right, K. Hussein Aty. And the troll sees this headline and thinks that the real problem is William Jefferson.
And then wonders why it’s labeled a troll.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 12:59 pmSomeone call the paramedics. The new troll is tweaking. It’s out of control.
Anyone got a horse tranquilizer? It’s gonna hurt itself.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pmComment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 1:00
Or maybe we should just start taxing stupid. You are in trouble kid.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pmwhy aren’t we flagging this fool?
March 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pmThe sarcasm from jasonnumerical is hysterical.
By comparison is jason happy with what we have now?
March 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pmAnyone got a horse tranquilizer? It’s gonna hurt itself.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 6, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
Tell us why this is a bad thing again.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pmshayne, even hintler has way more smarts that this one…
and hintler is too much a pussy to brave wisconsin…
i’ll give the trooll that much… but it must be lonely in progressive WI…
- K. Hussein Aty (yous like that?)
March 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pmwilliam jefferson was defended by hastert. why was that?
March 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pmMan, I don’t think I’ve EVER seen a new troll spin out so badly in its debut.
Troll Central might want to rethink their new strategy to hire meth addicts.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:04 pmShayne, it could also hurt the furniture.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 1:05 pmTaxes fix everything.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
I’d like to use them to “fix” you. Make sure you’re removed from the gene pool.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pmflag it, folks
March 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pmShayne, it could also hurt the furniture.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 6, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
That idiot better not get near my new sofa. Get the ketamine, double dose.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:08 pmSure jason, you’re a legend in your own mind. Take your shot like a big boy.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:09 pmWe should also impose laws limiting how many children each family can have.
I agree with this. Even w/o enacting a law, however, the more educated people are, the fewer children they tend to have, in general. Overpopulation is the elephant in the room. We must protect our ecosystem.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:09 pmYou want Bush out so you can replace him with someone who will do the same.
Comment by jason54301 — March 6, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
No, actually I will never support McCain.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pmIf these anti abortion fanatics would all just castrate themselves things would gradually improve.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:25 pmIran won the Iraq war without firing a shot. KBR and various other US Corporations have fleeced the US Treasury. Our military is spend, our treasury is spent, our credibility is spent. Heckuva job GOP.
j Hussein b
March 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pmjb, sad and true
March 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pmI agree with this. Even w/o enacting a law, however, the more educated people are, the fewer children they tend to have, in general. Overpopulation is the elephant in the room. We must protect our ecosystem.
Comment by McWars — March 6, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Though I agree on the overpopulation issue, I disagree on the childbirth limit law. It’s bad policy. China’s One-Child Rule may have slowed the growth of the Han population a bit, but it’s certainly not cutting down on China’s energy consumption or carbon emissions. On the contrary, I think creating a nation of spoiled only children has actually increased their level of environmental degradation.
There are three great ways to reduce population growth:
1. Educate girls.
2. Educate girls.
3. Educate girls.
In study after study, all three of these lead to later marriages, fewer children, lower under-5 mortality rates, and higher household income.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pmIf this story teaches us anything, it is that when the Dems decide to over tax business, they move away from the USA. It is time we reduce taxes and eliminate Social Security and Medicare before it bankrubts all of us. Just read this report to find out just how bad Social Security is for America:
http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/ pt/ cpt?action=cpt&title=USATODAY.com&expire=&urlID=22498576&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fprintedition%2Fnews%2F20070529%2F1a_lede29.art.htm&partnerID=1660
March 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pmWe should also impose laws limiting how many children each family can have.
Better watch it or you’ll piss the mormons off.
IgnoranceIsNotHusseinBliss
March 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pmComment by toasterhead — March 6, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Don’t forget to mention #4. Educate girls.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pmComment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
rr, you don’t even know how to read. the fact that all those companies are moving offshore has very little to do with taxes, and vert much to do with the breaks orchestrated by a corrpt Republican congress and administration. tax breaks have been handed all round, to the richest and least-desering, but htey’re moving anyway. you are a liar and a fool, and y8our party will destroy America to line its pockets.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pmIf this story teaches us anything, it is that when the Dems decide to over tax business, they move away from the USA.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
… to offshore tax havens like the Cayman Islands. So really what we need to do is close the loopholes that allow corporations to reap the benefits of being a U.S.-based multinational corporation without paying for them.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pmDon’t forget to mention #4. Educate girls.
Comment by Wayne — March 6, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Indeed.
4. Educate girls.
- Hussein Toasterhead
March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pmIf this story teaches us anything, it is that when the Dems decide to over tax business, they move away from the USA.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Of course! Why didn’t we see it? The villain here is NOT the huge corporation sucking off the government teat while circumventing tax laws through sham subsidiaries!
See, the Democrats MADE them do all those things.
Because Democrats have been in control of the country and its tax laws for the last seven years. And because the tax burden on corporations has risen so much over that time, the poor corporations are FORCED to move their hiring operations offshore to shield their meager earnings.
Once again, to be clear: KBR is the VICTIM in all this.
Thanks for cluing us in, R2.
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pmfind out just how bad Social Security is for America
Soc Sec would not be in any trouble if they stopped paying my fcuking grandparents MORE than they ever paid into the system. Plus, they got plenty of dough, they don’t even need the SS benefits.
Either pay us EXACTLY what we pay in, or you don’t get my $$$.
That’s really the ONLY thing that needs to change about Social Security. One simple thing, and it’s solvent again.
WTF????
March 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pmComment by toasterhead — March 6, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Hey toasterhussein!
Perfectly argued, as usual.
About China’s law, wasn’t that enacted in light of a heavy gender imbalance, where boys far outnumber girls?
March 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pmIn study after study, all three of these lead to later marriages, fewer children, lower under-5 mortality rates, and higher household income.
Comment by toasterhead — March 6, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
I would also venture a guess that it leads to fewer abortions.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pmComment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Taxes are bad for corporations but employer funded healthcare makes them competitive? I don’t think so since taxes are only paid on profits but healthcare has to be paid whether they make money or not.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pmWe should also impose laws limiting how many children each family can have.
Better watch it or you’ll piss the mormons off.
IgnoranceIsNotHusseinBliss
Comment by IgnoranceIsNotBliss — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Well if each wife can have two you’ve still got quite a team.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pmAbout China’s law, wasn’t that enacted in light of a heavy gender imbalance, where boys far outnumber girls?
Comment by McWars — March 6, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
My understanding is that it led to the current gender imbalance, as many families aborted female fetuses because they wanted a male heir.
I would also venture a guess that it leads to fewer abortions.
Comment by jb — March 6, 2008 @ 2:02 pm
Fewer abortions, fewer genital mutilations, lower STD rates, education is the wonder drug that works wonders.
- Hussein Toasterhead
March 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pmWe should also impose laws limiting how many children each family can have.
Better watch it or you’ll piss the mormons off.
IgnoranceIsNotHusseinBliss
Comment by IgnoranceIsNotBliss — March 6, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
On the plus side they won’t need as many special underwear which will only hurt China since that’s where they are made. It’s win-win!
Nature Hussein Rules
March 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pmMy understanding is that it led to the current gender imbalance, as many families aborted female fetuses because they wanted a male heir.
Comment by toasterhead — March 6, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
It has been found that some Chinese families have been “aborting” females after they have been born, and then trying again to get a male child.
Idiocy, even “cultural” idiocy causes its own problems……
March 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pmEven if they DID require a SSN, they are for sale.
Comment by jason54301
This idiot troll thinks the government is too stupid to know when someone is using a made up SSN or the SSN of a dead person. Not likely.
On the other hand, our IRS does ignore the fact that there are thousands of people in this country paying taxes into it’s system who are using SSN’s of dead people. They don’t do anything about it because they know that it is pure gravy for the US treasury because all those undocumented workers who are working under the SSN of a dead person are never going to be able to get a penny of the money they pay back.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pmIllegal Immigrants are welfare in Wisconsin. It is ILLEGAL to ask for citizenship status or require SSN or state issued ID for get welfare assistance. We woulndn’t want to disenfranchise anyone….
Comment by jason54301
I don’t suppose this idiot troll would care to provide proof of this statement. Of course not. Trolls don’t need no stinkin proof. Just because they say something, it must be true. NOT!
March 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pmYou’re all completely right, ANYTHING Republican bad, ANTYHING Democrat good. Anyone with an opposing point of view idiot, anyone agreeing genius. I especially like the ability to seal an argument with name calling. Worked on the playground…same mentality here.
Comment by jason54301
This troll needs to get the message that if it doesn’t like the playground here it is more than free to leave. We could care less what it thinks about us. Perhaps it can go over to redstate.com and post about how both political parties are rotten and for sale to the highest bidder. How long do you think it would last there? Probably 30 minutes or so.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pmThat’s right– they have always been buddies. Didn’t they meet at the Bay of Pigs or was it the Cuban Missile Crisis? Come to think of it aren’t these two events the same thing? Wait a minute- I’ll call my husband and ask him to clarify the matter.
March 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI don’t quote Republicans often, but this one makes a lot of sense, and it is in my opinion from the LAST GREAT REPUBLICAN that ever lived.
Has anyone been paying attention?
March 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pmI have zero sympathy for the employees of KBR. Work for the devil, get f%cked by the devil. Cheney is the most vile scumbag to ever walk the Earth. Anyone defending Cheney should sign up for some overseas work with everyone’s favorite war profiteers.
March 6th, 2008 at 4:40 pmA Little History on Irving Kristol and Neo-Conservatism…
Neoconservatism is a mental illness. It originated from a man named Leo Strauss. Straussianism was brought to America by Bill Kristol’s father Irving.
Straussians believe in two things: (1) The “Noble Lie” and (2) You and I need Kings to make decisions for us because we are too stupid.
Strauss,…believed in the inherent inequality of humanity. Most people, he taught, are too stupid to make informed decisions about their political affairs. Elite philosophers must decide on affairs of state for us. Strauss believed that allowing citizens to govern themselves will lead, inevitably, to terror and tyranny, as the Weimar Republic succumbed to the Nazis in the 1930s.
A ruling elite of political philosophers must make those decisions because it is the only group smart enough. And it must resort to deception — Strauss’s “noble lie” — to protect citizens from themselves. The elite must hide the truth from the public by writing in code. Using metaphors and cryptic language, philosophers communicated one message for the elite, and another message for “the unsophisticated general population”.
For Strauss, the art of concealment and secrecy was among the greatest legacies.
this for the liitle toad jason
March 8th, 2008 at 1:14 am