ThinkFast: March 7, 2008
ThinkFast: March 7, 2008
“Employers slashed jobs by 63,000 in February, the most in five years, the starkest sign yet the country is heading dangerously toward recession or is in one already. The Labor Department’s report, released Friday, also showed that the nation’s unemployment rate dipped to 4.8 percent as hundreds of thousands of people…left the civilian labor force.”
A new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq is scheduled to be completed this month. But intelligence officials “have not decided whether to make its key judgments public” and “lean toward a return to the traditional practice of keeping such documents secret.”
“A House committee will question three Wall Street executives later today over compensation awards reaching hundreds of millions of dollars while shareholders bear the brunt of billions in writedowns from subprime mortgages.”
Alleging that the White House “made apparently false and misleading statements in court about the White House e-mail controversy,” CREW asked a federal judge yesterday “to demand an explanation” about “testimony at a congressional hearing last week” that is inconsistent with “what the White House told a federal court in January.”
In a new book, former U.S. Attorney David Iglesias says that a former protege of President Bush told him that he was fired for political reasons. “Iglesias recalls Texas U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton telling him shortly after he was ousted. ‘If I were you, I’d just go quietly.‘”
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) recently introduced an earmark moratorium bill, but House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-WI) says Kingston “privately told him he was in favor of earmarks.” “You know, David, I am really for earmarks,” Obey said Kingston told him. Kingston confirmed the conversation.
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) signaled yesterday “that she is ready to fall back on the strategy of ‘ping-ponging’ alternatives” on the FISA bill between the House and the Senate. The two chambers have been unable to reach consensus on immunity for telecommunications companies.
U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker “plans to leave Baghdad as early as January,” and retire from the foreign service, “not long after the top military commander, Gen. David H. Petraeus, is expected to rotate out of Iraq.”
The U.S. is seeking the extradition of suspected Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, dubbed the “Merchant of Death.” U.S. government contractors reportedly paid “Bout-controlled firms roughly $60 million to fly supplies into Iraq in support of the U.S. war effort.” The military gave “Bout’s pilots millions of dollars in free airplane fuel.”
And finally: On his recent visit to the White House, John McCain ditched an opportunity to enjoy fine gourmet and instead ate a hot dog. “[President Bush] said he was having a hot dog, so I had a hot dog,” McCain said. The LA Times explains that a typical day for McCain “includes doughnuts in the morning, followed by an afternoon Coke-and-candy-bar snack.”
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Three severed feet found on Canadian beaches
A severed right foot has been found on a beach in western Canada - the third such find in the last six months.
The latest foot, still wearing a trainer, was washed up on Valdes Island, a tiny, isolated community in British Columbia...Local police are calling it one of the most bizarre cases in recent memory, but are unclear whether any foul play is involved.
The previous two feet, both right and wearing size 12 (US) trainers, washed ashore on Gabriola and Jedediah Islands, less than 40 miles from Valdes, in August of last year. DNA samples have been taken from all three feet, but so far the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) have been unable to match them to anyone in their databases.
"It is unusual," RCMP spokeswoman Const. Annie Linteau told the Times Colonist. "We are in the preliminary stages of this particular investigation, and of course we will not enter into speculation."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/04/wfeet104.xml
March 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am“A House committee will question three Wall Street executives later today over compensation awards reaching hundreds of millions of dollars while shareholders bear the brunt of billions in writedowns from subprime mortgages.â€
And that's where it will end. No action, just questions. Just talk. No consequences.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:08 amUS Plotted To Overthrow Hamas After Election Victory
The Bush administration, caught out by the rise of Hamas, embarked on a secret project for the armed overthrow of the Islamist government in Gaza, it emerged yesterday.
Vanity Fair reports in its April edition that President George Bush and...Condoleezza Rice, signed off on a plan for the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to remove the Hamas authorities in Gaza. The plan called for Washington’s allies in the region to funnel arms and salaries to Fatah fighters who would lead a rising against Hamas.
But the project was controversial even within the administration, the magazine reports. “There were severe fissures among neoconservatives over this,†David Wurmser, a former Middle East adviser to the vice-president, Dick Cheney, told the magazine. “We were ripping each other to pieces.â€
...The Bush administration plan sought to undo the results of elections in the West Bank and Gaza in January 2006 which...saw Hamas win a majority of seats in the Palestinian legislature. The project was approved by Bush, Rice, and Elliott Abrams, the hawkish deputy national security adviser.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/04/7450/
March 7th, 2008 at 9:09 amLooks like McStain would last about 6 weeks as president, with that diet. Fortunately, he'll never be president.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:10 amLabor Department says employers slashed jobs by 63,000 in February, the most since March '03. Unemployment rate dipped to 4.8 percent
Two serious lows, both within the Dumbya's reign of stupidity.
Mission Accomplished.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:12 amgood morning, snarkers
A Tale of 2 snarks
snarking usa
the Little Old Snark from Pasadena
Great Snarktations
:-)
March 7th, 2008 at 9:12 amA new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq is scheduled to be completed this month. But, intelligence officials “have not decided whether to make its key judgments public†and “lean toward a return to the traditional practice of keeping such documents secret.â€
Hmmmm. I smell a leak coming...
March 7th, 2008 at 9:14 amPaving the way for the "Twinkie Defense".
March 7th, 2008 at 9:16 amAnd finally: On his recent visit to the White House, John McCain ditched an opportunity to enjoy fine gourmet and instead ate a hot dog. “[President Bush] said he was having a hot dog, so I had a hot dog,†McCain said. The LA Times explains that a typical day for McCain “includes doughnuts in the morning, followed by an afternoon Coke-and-candy-bar snack.
McCain better pick his VP soon--and that person had better appeal to the independents... At this rate a massive coronary might be any day now.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:17 amComment by Uncle Ho — March 7, 2008 @ 9:12 am
Uncle Ho, please go get yourself a cup of coffee, take a few deep breaths and come back. Your input is too valuable to waste on silliness.
If you really feel the need to go berzerk, try to hang on until TP posts a completely stupid and frivolous thread, which you may trash. Let's save this one for rational posts.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:18 amI was - until your stinky ass came into the room. Thanks.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:19 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 9:17 am
yes
March 7th, 2008 at 9:20 am#9...The flock of chickens coming home to roost is eight years long. But oh sweet kool-aid!
March 7th, 2008 at 9:21 amThe Bush administration, caught out by the rise of Hamas, embarked on a secret project for the armed overthrow of the Islamist government in Gaza, it emerged yesterday.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 7, 2008 @ 9:09 am
It emerged in the U.S., anyway. Palestinians have suspected this for a year already.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:22 amBlue Dog Democrats May Give Bush Victory on Spying
...In what appears to be a calculated political maneuver, a plan has been proposed that would break the bill into two parts, allowing Democrats who are opposed to the immunity provision to vote against it without actually killing the bill.
The plan, floated on February 29 by an unnamed "senior Democratic aide," would separate the part of the bill that expands spy powers from the section that grants retroactive legal immunity for companies involved in surveillance...The unnamed aide said, the plan would "allow Democrats to register their objections to the immunity provision," according to The Los Angeles Times report.
If the bill is split into two pieces, conservative Blue Dog Democrats in the House could join with Republicans to pass the immunity provision, handing the Bush administration a victory while providing political cover for progressive Democrats and the Democratic leadership.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030608R.shtml
March 7th, 2008 at 9:22 amPaul hints presidential campaign will end soon
YA THINK??????
He can tear up his membership card in the Republican Party too.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:22 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 9:17 am
Hell yeah. I'm 428 days closer to the end of the Bush regime than I was 428 days ago.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:24 amWhat did we miss?
Well, Hillary is at it again. She has given another couple of speeches where she says that only she and McCain have the experience to be Commander in Chief. She also went so far as to highly praise McCain for what a "brave and honorable" man he is.
What in the hell is she trying to do? I heard a possible answer yesterday. She knows that she can't win, so she is going to make sure that Barak Obama doesn't win either. Why? Because she thinks that a McCain presidency would be a one term presidency and she would be poised to take it the next time. Whereas an Obama presidency would probably run 8 years.
I have a question for all the Hillary fans out there. Can you please tell her just exactly what all that vast experience is that she thinks makes her more suitable to be Commander in Chief? While you are at it, please tell us what she has done to prove that she is ready to answer the phone at 3:00 a.m.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:25 amBut intelligence officials “have not decided whether to make its key judgments public†and “lean toward a return to the traditional practice of keeping such documents secret.â€
Well, that must mean that the NIE is not favorable to the administration. You can bet the farm that if it was, they would be releasing it in a hot minute.\
March 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am“A House committee will question three Wall Street executives later today over compensation awards reaching hundreds of millions of dollars while shareholders bear the brunt of billions in writedowns from subprime mortgages.â€
Why do they bother doing things like this? Nothing will come from it.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:28 amOf course, we are in a recession right now. It is a natural part of the economic cycle. The sooner it starts, the sooner we will emerge from it. All the debate and denial is unproductive. It will be rough and rocky for the rest of the year probably but a recovery will follow.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:29 amhe was fired for political reasons. “Iglesias recalls Texas U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton telling him shortly after he was ousted. ‘If I were you, I’d just go quietly.‘â€
This has been apparent for quite some time. Unfortunately it looks like no one is going to be held accountable for it.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:29 ammissmolly; sorry about that. Now, I return to form.
When I read that McCain imitated Bush with the hot dog, my first thought was the old addage:
McCain see, Mcain do.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:29 amA special election to fill Hastert's seat in Illinois is Saturday -- so far the Democrat (Foster) is ahead of the Rethug (Oberweiss) in polls.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:30 amEven the newspapers don't like the rethug - not that the rich repugs who populate the district would care.
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) recently introduced an earmark moratorium bill, but House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-WI) says Kingston “privately told him he was in favor of earmarks.â€
Another example of the hypocrisy of the Republicans.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:30 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 9:17 am
Actually, there are a number of Americans who will say yes -- the ones working in minimum wage jobs, for example.
But that aside, the "control" the Democrats have is a little like being in control of a vehicle stuck in heavy traffic at an accident scene. They only have a razor-thin majority, leaving them vulnerable to obstruction at every turn by the Republicans -- complicated by a president and vice-president who have apparently rewritten the constitution to say they are free to ignore the legislative branch of government completely.
I predict the improvements will be a lot easier to see after the elections this year -- when we increase the Democratic majority in both houses of Congress and have a Democrat in the White House.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:30 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by mcgigi
March 7th, 2008 at 9:30 amYes.
They didn't rubber stamp chimpy's immunity scam.
They have kept the worst of his nazi judge nominations off the bench
They have finally filed charges of comtempt against miers and bartlett
3 CEOs made $460 million - House panel
House oversight committee prepares to investigate why executives at companies battered by the mortgage crisis were awarded big payouts.
LINK
March 7th, 2008 at 9:32 amSnark Wars
Snarks of the Carribean
Snark Royale
Field of Snarks
Snark Impossible
March 7th, 2008 at 9:32 amRe: FISA On Wednesday, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) issued a statement blasting Democrats for not bringing the bill to the floor. Boehner accused the Democrats of playing politics with a key national security issue.
Looks like Nancy is going to cave again. Why should she send it back to the Senate to try to get a "get out of jail free" card. All she needs to to is to announce that there will be no further negotiations on the bill until such time as the Republicans participate in working out a compromise. She needs to point out daily that the White House and the Republicans are refusing to participate in negotiations.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:34 amCan you please tell her just exactly what all that vast experience is that she thinks makes her more suitable to be Commander in Chief?
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:25 am
"Experience" is code for "knowing how to play the Washington game." Which she learned through trial and (mostly) error the first time she tried to make health care a national issue. She understands the back-stabbing, incestuous, insular, bipolar, self-perpetuating world of the Washington political-corporate-lobbyist-thinktank machine. She knows it, she's lived it, she's been a part of it.
And that is exactly why I like Barack Hussein Obama. He hasn't (yet) been corrupted by it (too much). The machine needs a major overhaul, because right now it is destroying this country.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:34 amOf course, we are in a recession right now. It is a natural part of the economic cycle. The sooner it starts, the sooner we will emerge from it. All the debate and denial is unproductive. It will be rough and rocky for the rest of the year probably but a recovery will follow.
Comment by tom
This assumes that economic cycles are "natural" economies are socially constructed relationships and as such are susecptible to maniuplation by the powers that be. Due to a combination of incomptence and greed we are stuck with a huge debt, sky rocketing energy costs, a shrinking job market and an adminstration that sees no problem sending jobs over seas-either real jobs as in the pentagon plane deall, or virtual jobs as in KBRs accounting scam that allows them to rake in huge profits in Iraq and not pay a damn penny in taxes.
How is any of that "natural"?
Bobhusseinwurst
March 7th, 2008 at 9:36 amBilbo; Has Kingston found his flag lapel pin yet?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:36 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by good_golly
The Republicans have been in control of the government for 7 years now. Are we better off now than we were 7 years ago?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:36 amComment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:25 am
Amen, Bilbo -- that crapola from Billary is exactly what's bugging me about her right now. The 3am phone call commercial, the "not to my knowledge" answer to the question of whether or not Obama is a Muslim (as if that mattered) -- those I can just flick off my shoulder. But her new tack -- consistently saying over the last 2 days that she'd rather McBush win the election than Obama -- now that's showing her true colors here... And now it turns out that it was actually the Clinton campaign that reassured the Canadians about her waffling on NAFTA?
It's all about Billary at this point -- she's turned into a 6-year-old brat, who if she can't get her way she'll hold her breath and stamp her feet until she does get her way. Sad thing is, it sounds like Howard Dean and the rest of the DNC leadership are trying to figure out a way to let her get her way here -- I wouldn't doubt that they're trying to talk Obama into taking the VP spot on a Billary-headed ticket.
Billary, thy name is Lieberman...
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
March 7th, 2008 at 9:37 amNight of the Living Snark
Snarkablanca
Snark Fiction
Resivour Snarks
and of course: Attack From Planet Snark!
BobHusseinwurst
March 7th, 2008 at 9:38 amWhat is wrong with the Clinton campaign? Why is she giving McCain ammunition to use against Demmocrats -- she is like a Lieberman democrat.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:39 amIf she can't win, she won't let Obama win either?! She prefers her "friend" McCain?!
Obama asks about her tax returns and they say he is like Ken Starr --
She has connections to Tony Reczko, but she pounces and leads the press to Obama's purchasing a house next door to him.
She is no more qualified in experience to be president than Laura Bush or Barbara Bush - married to someone important doesn't make you equal.
She has begun a very dirty and Karl-Rove-like campaign -- I have had enough!
She may force Obama to throw a little mud, and he may have to do so in self-defense, but it would be better if the press were to ignore her I-am-a-victim- whining and ask her just what ARE her qualifications?
The 3am phone call commercial, the “not to my knowledge†answer to the question of whether or not Obama is a Muslim (as if that mattered) — those I can just flick off my shoulder.
Comment by The Dogfather — March 7, 2008 @ 9:37 am
On the other hand, the 3am phone call commercial has been a gold mine for late-night political satirists. Colbert had a very funny bit on The Wørd last night...
March 7th, 2008 at 9:40 ambobwurst, I agree that GDumbya's follies will affect the depth and duration of the recession and that gives me great pause. Quite apart from that, though, I do think we need to be careful not to panic about going through a period of adjustment.
After the recession is over, there will be a lot of work to be done. GDumbya has dug a deep hole for the next president and Congress to climb out of. No doubt about that.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:42 amIt appears that the NAFTA story which seemed to temporarily derail the Obama campaign last week is FALSE.
A conversation was held, but not as reported.
Canada has apologized and is investigating.
It was CLINTON'S campaign who actually said that what she says on the campaign trail is not what she believes, according to the Canadians.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:42 amComment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Marie, I think you've captured the sentiments of many of us progressive-minded folks, who ordinarily would support any Democrat but are now having second thoughts about Billary because of her recent display of Rovian tendencies. It's becoming pretty clear that while McSame would be Bush v2.0, Billary would probably be Bush v1.1.
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
March 7th, 2008 at 9:42 amBilbo; Has Kingston found his flag lapel pin yet?
Comment by Uncle Ho
None of the Repukes have. Take a look at any Republican's picture and notice how many of them are wearing a flag pin.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:42 am“Iglesias recalls Texas U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton telling him shortly after he was ousted. ‘If I were you, I’d just go quietly.‘â€
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With the unspoken implication being, "Ve haff vays of making you go quietly," no doubt.
With a number of fired U.S. Attorneys speaking out about the circumstances surrounding their terminations, any reasonable person sees that this whole affair either stinks to high heaven. The only alternative is an absurd scenario where all the fired attorneys got together and planned an elaborate scheme to smear the White House in retaliation.
At least Nancy and company are pursuing contempt citations against those allegedly responsible. If that hits a dead end, I sincerely hope they have the brass to use inherent contempt.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:43 amColbert had a very funny bit on The Wørd last night… Comment by toasterhead — March 7, 2008 @ 9:40 am
Yeah, I saw that -- priceless. I think it's still too bad the Colbert/Stewart or Stewart/Colbert ticket wasn't on our ballot in Virginia this year...
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
March 7th, 2008 at 9:44 amAnd for a little change of pace"
Joe Snarkerman
Dick Snarkey
Denny Snarkert
Tom Desnark
John McSnark
Condisnarka Rice
General Pasnarkus
Gee. This is really therapeutic.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:45 amt appears that the NAFTA story which seemed to temporarily derail the Obama campaign last week is FALSE.
A conversation was held, but not as reported.
Canada has apologized and is investigating.
It was CLINTON’S campaign who actually said that what she says on the campaign trail is not what she believes, according to the Canadians.
Comment by Marie
And it was the advertisement that Clinton put out in Ohio lying about Obama on this issue that was partly responsible for her win in Ohio. I wonder how the people of Ohio feel today knowing that they were duped by Clinton?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:45 amNone of the Repukes have. Take a look at any Republican’s picture and notice how many of them are wearing a flag pin.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:42 am
And because of them, a poor factory worker in Guangdong Province isn't getting her $.09/hr paycheck this week. For shame, Republicans!
- Hussein Toasterhead
March 7th, 2008 at 9:46 amAlleging that the White House “made apparently false and misleading statements in court about the White House e-mail controversy,†CREW asked a federal judge yesterday “to demand an explanation†about “testimony at a congressional hearing last week†that is inconsistent with “what the White House told a federal court in January.â€
When lying about the lies you told is compounded by years of the same, it's damn hard to remember which lie you told last.
Lucky for us, they're professionals. /snark
G'morn'n, Uncle Snark!
March 7th, 2008 at 9:47 amIs McWar going to release his medical records?
I hope the age issue is brought up in this campaign. McBomb is too damn old to be prez.
Period.
(other than the fact this he is a neoCON/religious right suck-up and warmonger, he has a viscous temper)
March 7th, 2008 at 9:48 amComment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 9:30 am
Oberweiss is running some pretty comical ads up in these parts. One of them criticizes Foster for saying he would throw money at every problem, but the same ad then criticizes him for wanting to cut funding for the Iraq war. It makes you wonder if someone even bothered editing it.
Another of his ads actually tries to position Oberweis as the "candidate of change" even though he represents the satus quo.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:48 amShe may force Obama to throw a little mud, and he may have to do so in self-defense, but it would be better if the press were to ignore her I-am-a-victim- whining and ask her just what ARE her qualifications?
Comment by Marie
I so agree. At every campaign event Obama needs to say "She says she is more experienced in international affairs, can someone please ask her what that experience is?"
March 7th, 2008 at 9:48 am“[President Bush] said he was having a hot dog, so I had a hot dog,†McCain said.
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And the transformation of the former independent thinker into a Bushbot is now complete. For years, Bush has been Cheney's windup doll -- what does this make McCain?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:49 amBilbo, do you think that the majority of voters in Ohio have heard this retraction? I doubt it -- it's not a mainstream issue any more - the damage has been done. Clinton's "mission accomplished" for the week.
Think of Hillary's defense of her daughter and read this quote from McCain regarding Chelsea -- why does Hillary admire him?
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
March 7th, 2008 at 9:50 amJohn McCain, at GOP fundraiser.
Is McWar going to release his medical records?
I hope the age issue is brought up in this campaign. McBomb is too damn old to be prez.
Period.
(other than the fact this he is a neoCON/religious right suck-up and warmonger, he has a viscous temper)
Comment by Kay
I disagree. I know a couple of people his age who are more than young enough to run for President. The problem is that he is not fit either in mind or body. That does come with age, but age is not the primary issue here. McCain needs to release his medical records and his tax returns. He is refusing to do both. What does he have to hide?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:50 amAnd the transformation of the former independent thinker into a Bushbot is now complete. For years, Bush has been Cheney’s windup doll — what does this make McCain?
Comment by missmolly — March 7, 2008 @ 9:49 am
Cheney's ticket to a third term as VP?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:52 amdim wit: I believe you are a Hillary supporter. Do you want to tell us what all this "vast international experience" is that Hillary has? Do you want to tell us how she has been vetted and tested to be able to handle the 3 am call?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:52 am“Bout-controlled firms roughly $60 million to fly supplies into Iraq in support of the U.S. war effort.â€
Gee, I wonder what could have happened to all those missing weapons and money that the State Dept can't account for. Sounds like the US wants to extridite him to maybe shut him up permanently before he has a chance to talk about his dealings with the US.
re FISA: "The two chambers have been unable to reach consensus on immunity for telecommunications companies."
Bonerboy and his lackies have allready stated publicly that there will be NO COMPROMISING with the Democrats before the elections this year so if I were Pelosi I would state that this issue is too important to play games with a party that has no intention of working in good faith for a compromise and will be shelved until after the elections at which time hopefully the Republicans will more willing to work toward a mutual solution. It's been weeks now since it expired and a long list of experts claim that all the needed tools are allready in place for surveillance and the Administration has admitted that the telecoms are ALL cooperating so what's the effing rush? I say shelve it until the dems have the leverage they need. This is why Bush is so desperate to resolve the issue asap because he knows that the more time that passes, the less likely immunity will be approved.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:53 amBilbo, do you think that the majority of voters in Ohio have heard this retraction? I doubt it — it’s not a mainstream issue any more - the damage has been done. Clinton’s “mission accomplished†for the week.
Probably not. They are probably typical Americans who get all their news from the Tvee. And if it's not on the Tvee, then it must not be relevant. That's why the obscene political advertisements work so well. It's catapulting the propaganda right into your living room.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:55 amthis is a repost...
after more news of hillary's thin skin hypocrisy, i am determined
to call her out on her self-serving wreckless behavior...
seems hillary clinton would prefer mcSAME as president
over another democrat, especially if it’s barack obama…
if she can’t have it, then obama can’t have it…
how in-fu(king-credible is that? … i would never have thought…
but, from now on, i think all good democratic citizens should shout:
SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY CLINTON!
SHAME ON YOU.
STOP THE BULL SH!T RIGHT NOW.
... because you DO act like a "MONSTER"...
- Hussein Katy
March 7th, 2008 at 9:59 amThe Democrats have been in control of Congress for 428 days. Are you better off now than you were 428 days ago?
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 9:17 am
another lie. the fascists of the GOP are in control, through their treasonous signing statements and bullshit obstacles. Dems are not in control, or we woiuld be better off. Until there are virtually no Republicans in government, the USA is but a dream.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:59 amMore cheney/haliburton legacy sleaze: discussed at Emptywheel.Firedoglake.com blog.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:05 amit's gonna be hard times now... dividend checks may be affected...
Carlyle Group Scorched by Mortgage Fund's Stumble (Update1)
March 7th, 2008 at 10:05 amBloomberg - 1 hour ago
By Edward Evans March 7 (Bloomberg) -- The collapse of the subprime- mortgage market has engulfed Carlyle Group, the world's second- biggest leveraged-buyout firm by assets.
Carlyle Capital in default to lender United Press International
More Trouble at Carlyle Capital The Associated Press
#19
She was co-president for 8 years, and if and when she is elected she will still have Bill as her adviser.
She's tough as nails, which some find unappealing, while Obama is inspiring, but without solid experience, which some find troubling.
With Obama we get Michelle.
Dems are split on these two excellent candidates. Bashing either candidate is bashing a large constituency.
Bashing each other is pointless.
Pointing out strengths and weaknesses of each candidate is healthy.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:05 am#38 Marie
What is wrong with the Clinton campaign? Why is she giving McCain ammunition to use against Demmocrats — she is like a Lieberman democrat.
If she can’t win, she won’t let Obama win either?! She prefers her “friend†McCain?!
Last night Olbermann joked she is trying for McCain's VP spot. Funny? Not really if you think about it.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:05 amI love that picture TP! Good one! No jobs out there? LOL!!
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:05 am
You failed to notice that the facility is closed, with no lights on or people present. You are still an idiot.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:08 amUS health agencies stand behind safety of vaccines
March 7th, 2008 at 10:09 amUSA Today - 59 minutes ago
By Liz Szabo, USA TODAY Federal health officials restated their belief in the safety of childhood vaccines Thursday, reacting to questions raised by a government settlement with the family of a 9-year-old Georgia girl, who developed neurological ...
Analysis: Vaccine Payment No Landmark The Associated Press
Debate Rages Anew on Vaccine-Autism Link ABC News
She was co-president for 8 year
That's the dumbest statement of the week.
Maybe Laura Bush has enough qualifications, based on your criteria.
LOL.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:09 amI love that picture TP! Good one! No jobs out there? LOL!!
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:05 am
If you'd read the article, you'd know that the reality is that job losses are far higher than job openings, with the losses in higher-paying sectors and the openings being in lower-paying sectors.
But then I really don't expect you to know much of anything.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:11 amI wish McWar would have a stroke on live TV.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:12 amBe sure to check out bradblog.com to read about the vote buying scandal in New Mexico. There are several entries.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:12 amComment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:11 am
Grab a napkin.
You've got stupid all over your face.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:13 am“lean toward a return to the traditional practice of keeping such documents secret.â€
Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't want to shout the progress from the roof tops... Could it be that just maybe there isn't as much to crow about as the "surge is working" crowd would have us believe?
Things that make you go, Hmmm..
March 7th, 2008 at 10:15 amHey, lets be hyper-critical of what mccain eats!!!!
March 7th, 2008 at 10:16 am"Three severed feet found on Canadian beaches'
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 7, 2008 @ 9:08 am
LANDSHARK!!!! ;)
March 7th, 2008 at 10:16 amhey! look what i found at C&L...
On topic, many of us bloggers are following Sully’s lead in taking up the middle name of “Hussein†just for fun. (h/t Uncommon Sense). Signed, Blue Hussein Gal.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/06/open-thread-740/#comments
- Hussein Katy
March 7th, 2008 at 10:17 amWanted: mccain booster
March 7th, 2008 at 10:18 amIf the requirement of lobbist' experience evades you, you can always fall back on your grilling experience if you want a job working for my campaign. Might you be a graduate of mc hot dog or hot dog king? Great hourly wages will get you started on a vibrant career. You might even qualify as my future whitehouse chef.
4.8% unemployment!!!! Holy man the sky is falling. What a horribly high rate!
March 7th, 2008 at 10:19 am... John McCain ditched an opportunity to enjoy fine gourmet and instead ate a hot dog. “[President Bush] said he was having a hot dog, so I had a hot dog,â€...
that was a test, you dolt...
duby was trying to find out just how much of a BOOT LICKER you are...
hey, you passed...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:19 amWho's hotdog did McBomb eat?
March 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am“Unemployment rate dipped to 4.8 percentâ€
That’s a bad thing?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:09 am
It is when the reason for the "dip" is a large number of people "leaving the labor force."
You may think that "leaving the labor force" means these people have merely lost their jobs. Wrong. It means these people's unemployment has run out and they still don't have a job. That takes them out of the statistic, making the number lower.
The unemployment statistic does not count the following people:
1) Jobless people who have run out of unemployment insurance. As long as they are collecting unemployment they are counted, but as soon as it runs out, they are considered "out of the labor force."
2) People who have taken part-time employment because it's better than nothing.
3) People who work through temporary agencies, hoping it will lead to a permanent job. These (along with the part-timers) are squeaking by on a small paycheck with no benefits, in most cases.
4) People who are "underemployed" -- for example, a professional who is flipping burgers because there are no jobs available in his field of expertise (outsourcing to other countries has created a lot of these).
So when you see an unemployment figure of 4.8%, that just means that 4.8% of the "labor force" is collecting unemployment. It doesn't give the real picture.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:21 am“Unemployment rate dipped to 4.8 percentâ€
That’s a bad thing?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:09 am
A small amount of unemployment is good for the economy sometimes. Economists may disagree about what exactly a "good" unemployment figure is, but they will agree that it's good for productivity in periods of strong growth. I won't debate that.
Economists also agree, however, that high unemployment combined with slow economic growth and high inflation is quite bad. It's called stagflation. Economists are also beginning to worry that it's exactly where our economy is heading.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:22 amComment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:13 am
What's this? One troll explaining to another that his preconceived notions may not be a simplistic as assumed?
This is a clear breakthrough in troll sociology. Researchers suspect that, based on this evidence, some higher-evolved trolls may even have the capacity to understand and process logical arguments. That theory is preliminary, however, as no actual incidence of such an ability have ever been recorded by science.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:23 amA special election to fill Hastert’s seat in Illinois is Saturday...
Comment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 9:30 am
From what I recall of the Ole Wrasling Coach, that must be a pretty seat to fill...
The Peoples' Islamic Republic of Stupidity...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:23 amThis is a clear breakthrough in troll sociology. Researchers suspect that, based on this evidence, some higher-evolved trolls may even have the capacity to understand and process logical arguments. That theory is preliminary, however, as no actual incidence of such an ability have ever been recorded by science.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 7, 2008 @ 10:23 am
The theory was proposed, I believe, by Professor I. Blind Hussein Squirrel, during research into stopped clocks.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:24 am"Who’s hotdog did McBomb eat?"
Comment by Kay — March 7, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Unconfirmed...seems the gloryhole that Bush had installed in the Oval Office bathroom from back in the Jeff Gannon days is still operational. I think I heard a rumor that Dick Cheney was actually seen smiling on Wednesday, though.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am#87 : and a HUGE FAT seat at that...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:25 amOn topic, many of us bloggers are following Sully’s lead in taking up the middle name of “Hussein†just for fun. (h/t Uncommon Sense). Signed, Blue Hussein Gal.
Comment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 10:17 am
What's with C&L always copying us? First they took our 9iu11ani, and now this...
Not that I'm complaining - I think it's pretty sweet :)
- Hussein Toasterhead
March 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am4.8% unemployment!!!! Holy man the sky is falling. What a horribly high rate!
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 7, 2008 @ 10:19 am
Yeah, and the Dow being poised to dip into the 11,000s is a great indicator of economic health, too. Not to mention the record number of foreclosures, the record levels of government and consumer debt...
Yeah, we're just fit as a fu(kin' fiddle.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:25 amComment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 10:17 am
I've been enjoying all of the added "Hussein" middle names.
Glad to see more of it.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:26 amTP could change it's name to Troll School.
I'm beginning to believe we provide quite an needed service of educating these completely moronic, un-imformed talking points from the hate-filled Right and their lowly trolls.
I don't expect to be able to teach them math here. On that, they'll always be lost, and prone to propaganda.
The way the Right likes em. Dumb and gullible.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:26 amBilbo @ 9:42: sorry about the delayed response, but had a rush on the lab.
I can't stand to look at pix of the fascist pigs without ...a) losing my lunch or b) wanting to smash my monitor.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:27 am“Who’s hotdog did McBomb eat?â€
Comment by Kay — March 7, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Unconfirmed…seems the gloryhole that Bush had installed in the Oval Office bathroom from back in the Jeff Gannon days is still operational. I think I heard a rumor that Dick Cheney was actually seen smiling on Wednesday, though.
Comment by A Patriot Acting — March 7, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Ewww. Talk about an early morning gross-out...
-- Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 7th, 2008 at 10:27 amWhat did we miss?
The whole NAFTA Obama mess turns out it was actually the Clinton camp...
NAFTA and Canada, Hillary and Obama
It hardly matters now. Ohio is where it mattered for four or five days, and Ohio is done.
But there's still some movement on the story about assurances to the Canadian government over rhetoric on NAFTA that killed Obama. One story ">out of Toronto today seems to confirm that the conservative Prime Minister's very conservative chief of staff started the ball rolling by telling reporters that Clinton aides -- not Obama -- had provided assurances that the rhetoric was hotter than the reality.
A lot of murk on how it shifted to Obama. But there's also a theory percolating that the story -- really, a pretty unusual invasion of domestic politics by a foreign government -- was "a bum rap cooked up by Canadian rightwingers" to hurt Obama and produce a long slog that will help the GOP. See here and here.
Posted by John Riley on March 6, 2008 11:12 AM | Permalink
March 7th, 2008 at 10:27 amRadRight @ 10:16;
LANDSNARK!!!!!
Fixed it for you :-)
March 7th, 2008 at 10:28 amI (heart) TP!
love,
March 7th, 2008 at 10:28 amKay Hussein
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:52 am
Actually I voted for Obama, but, I support both Hillary and Obama (and Kucinich, and Dodd, and Richardson as well)
However, for whatever reason, it is apparent you find it necessary to highlight divisions among Democrats and then rant over and over about them. You continually seek to divide us as Democrats, which is playing right into the Republicans hands. I have no justification for why you do this, but you do.
As for Hillary being more qualified to answer the phone, I do not necessarily think she is. But, in general, people have the perception that Hillary is more experienced than Obama, so it is only logical she play to this perception.
I have mentioned several times before that, for the most part, the American people are stupid. So the goal becomes how do you get stupid people to vote for you? Well one way is to continually repeat a message: "Hilliary is more experienced, Hillary is more experienced, Hilliary is more experienced" And advertising is one way to do this. And when you set message in someone's head, you don't need evidence to back it up.
Its really no different than an advertisement for any other product: Why is Crest toothpaste better than Colgate? Well 4 out of 5 dentists agree that it is. Really? I don't know if they do or not, but the ad tells me they do.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:30 amSorry Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama. I've been at work for several hours allready today. Sometimes I forget that many of you are just now enjoying your morning coffee. Unfortunately this Administration has left a bad taste in many of our mouths lo these past 7 years.
Al Hussein Patriot Acting all Muslim like
March 7th, 2008 at 10:32 amI’m beginning to believe we provide quite an needed service of educating these completely moronic, un-imformed talking points from the hate-filled Right and their lowly trolls.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 7, 2008 @ 10:26 am
Agreed, and I think it's a quite valuable service.
They poot forth snowball questions and tired-ass talking points about the war and torture and Constitutional law and the economy and climate change that we can easily shoot down with facts and reason, for all the world to see.
Except the military.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:32 amEven if your unemployment compensation runs out, you are still considered a part of the total labor force so long as you are still looking for work.
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:30 am
And this effort is measured how?
People being paid compensation can be counted. People whose compensation has run out fall out of the equation because they do not, bureaucratically, even exist.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:33 amFriends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your snarks.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:33 am"Well, Hillary is at it again. "
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:25 am
I'm with you Bilbo, It seems that they are content to tear the party apart and her supporters are willing to let her do it.
I fear that once again the Dems will triumphantly snatch defeat from the jaws of what could've been our greatest victory.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:34 amWhat ever happened to our color-coded terror "threat" level warnings?
Already went the way of the Mood Ring...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:37 amWhat did we miss?
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080306005694&newsLang=en
I am not surprised by this. I go to the internet first and google anything I question. MSM is the biggest propaganda tool anymore. As a former journalism major I am more than a little disappointed by all of this. I would like to point back to imbedding reporters during the beginning of the Iraq invasion, but it's been going downhill for a lot longer. Question everything!
Hussein Beat goes on...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:38 amWhat ever happened to our color-coded terror “threat†level warnings?
Already went the way of the Mood Ring…
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 7, 2008 @ 10:37 am
I'm expecting them to have a glorious comeback around, oh, October or so.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:38 am#110 :I’m expecting them to have a glorious comeback around, oh, October or so
what? Like gas prices, too. Americans are way too stupid.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:39 amOh, guys, here's a fun little nugget:
Laura Ingraham getting cheesed off because her guest admitted she never listens to talk radio. Listen to the end. What a classy broad.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/03/mt-ingraham-erupts.html
March 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am"What is wrong with the Clinton campaign? Why is she giving McCain ammunition to use against Demmocrats — she is like a Lieberman democrat."
Comment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 9:39 am
That seems to be the question...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:43 amAnd if the Dems let her have her way it will be a very sad day for our country indeed.
Any word on when the Tracy3 model is supposed to be delivered? The Tracy2 is still spitting out foul exhaust and making weird noises.
-- Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 7th, 2008 at 10:44 amAnd if the Dems let her have her way
Then can we all finally admit that our two parties are basically in this for themselves, to hell with you and me.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:44 amAny word on when the Tracy3 model is supposed to be delivered?
Reversing the sex-change might leave some ugly scarring, but what's needed is necessary.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:46 amThe walls of the house of America are crumbling all around George W. Bush, yet all that chimpanzee can do is shrug, say "gee, I didn't know that", and do a tap dance, giving everyone the smirk.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:47 amThe Clinton and Obama forces have asked us to consider who we want answering the phone at the White House at 3 AM. There is little need to speculate. We have a lot of evidence about how they will respond.
Here's how both responded to the recent Colombia/Ecquador/Venezuela escalation.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/05/7482/#comment-222687
March 7th, 2008 at 10:47 amI wonder how the people of Ohio feel today knowing that they were duped by Clinton?
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:45 am
They should be hanging their collective heads in shame!
March 7th, 2008 at 10:48 amWhen is this country going to grow a set and stop letting people that play the fear card influence them?
Comment by Tracy2
So Scalia's digging himself another rhetorical hole. Big deal.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:48 amAnd you know it’s closed how? BTW get you sorry ass back to this thread…you miss a lot.
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2008/ 03/ 05/ scalia-tortures-bad-but-not-unconstitutional/ #comment-4291600
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:38 am
You mean the thread where I just pwned you hard core?
Yeah. That thread. Read it and weep, chumley!
- Hussein Toasterhead
March 7th, 2008 at 10:50 amAfter the Trial of the Century for Crimes Against Humanity,
Chimpy and Darth will be tap dancing all the way to prison with their designer orange jumpsuits and bright shiny shackles.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:51 amAnd what day during the week was this picture taken on and where exactly is the building located?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 7, 2008 @ 10:41 am
One could posit that the use of that particular picture was snarcasm on the part of TP...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:52 amI don’t think that is correct. As I understand it, the unemployment rate represents the number of jobless people as a percentage of the total labor force. If you are neither working nor looking for work, you are not in the labor force. Even if your unemployment compensation runs out, you are still considered a part of the total labor force so long as you are still looking for work.
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:30 am
I don't know how your unemployment offices operate in Florida, but I became more aware of the unemployment process here in North Carolina than I ever wanted to be a couple of years ago when I was out of a job.
While I was collecting unemployment, I was registered with the unemployment office and had access to their job leads and other job seeking tools. One of the conditions of my unemployment was that I had to be actively looking for work (no problem -- I HAD to get work or starve), and so I made use of anything they had to offer me. In addition to the unemployment office, I scoured the newspaper and the internet for job ads, registered with temporary and other employment agencies, etc. -- anything to find a job.
Thankfully, I finally found employment (through a temp agency) while I was literally on my last week of unemployment. Because I was so close to running out of unemployment, I asked the unemployment people "what happens now?" I was told that statistically, once my unemployment ran out, I was no longer "unemployed" as far as the state was concerned. This meant that I no longer had access to their job hunting tools or anything else they had to offer "unemployed" people.
Of course, I would still be out of a job, NOT collecting unemployment, and still looking for work. Only I wouldn't be counted in the unemployment statistic because there was really no way to count me.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:52 amI believe you will find your answer here:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:44 am
I stand corrected. It appears that our government is capable of being more efficient than some people acknowledge.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:53 amHere’s how both responded to the recent Colombia/Ecquador/Venezuela escalation.
http://www.commondreams.org/ archive/ 2008/ 03/ 05/ 7482/ #comment-222687
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 7, 2008 @ 10:47 am
No real surprise there. I don't expect any of them to criticize the Uribe government and their parapolitica death squads at this point in the campaign.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:54 amIt appears that our government is capable of being more efficient than some people acknowledge.
Comment by gummitch — March 7, 2008 @ 10:53 am
Well, they've done a spectacular job of running up enormous deficits the last 7 years!
March 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am“She says she is more experienced in international affairs, can someone please ask her what that experience is?â€
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 9:48 am
Funny thing... last night on K.O. he was talking to one of the reporters that is a regular on his show(can't remember her name) and she said that she was ther for a lot of Hillary's trips and she mostly had cookies and tea with other heads of states wives!
I think that's Obama's line "cookies and tea meetings don't count as experience when that phone rings in the middle of the night unless the person on the other line is looking for a recipe!"
March 7th, 2008 at 10:55 amOne could posit that the use of that particular picture was snarcasm on the part of TP…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 7, 2008 @ 10:52 am
One could also posit that it's a graphic and isn't presented as evidence of the state of the economy. Only the truly pedestrian and dim would demand to know when the photo was taken. "Ah ha! It could have been on a Sunday!"
I'm eagerly looking forward to that upgrade to the troll. This one has shown no evidence of AI.
--gumhusseinmitchalsnark
March 7th, 2008 at 10:56 amI believe you will find your answer here:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:44 am
I stand corrected. It appears that our government is capable of being more efficient than some people acknowledge.
Comment by gummitch — March 7, 2008 @ 10:53 am
Me, too. Although it would be nice if they are doing these surveys on a regular basis if they would provide some information on the "underemployed" as well.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:57 amWhat ever happened to our color-coded terror “threat†level warnings?
Already went the way of the Mood Ring…
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 7, 2008 @ 10:37 am
Been in an airport lately? They're still alive and well.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:58 amI’m eagerly looking forward to that upgrade to the troll. This one has shown no evidence of AI.
–gumhusseinmitchalsnark
Comment by gummitch — March 7, 2008 @ 10:56 am
It's like everything else the RNC does- they lowball it to the lowest bidder. You get what you pay for... in this case, not much.
The Peoples' Islamic Republic of Snarkpidity...
March 7th, 2008 at 10:59 amI’m eagerly looking forward to that upgrade to the troll. This one has shown no evidence of AI.
–gumhusseinmitchalsnark
Comment by gummitch — March 7, 2008 @ 10:56 am
AI = Actual Intelligence?
SNARK!
~Hussein Zooey
March 7th, 2008 at 10:59 amBeen in an airport lately? They’re still alive and well.
2 weeks ago. Must have been overshadowed by the cartoon suitcase poster telling me what not to bring on board.
I'm all for having our priorities un-Bush-fcuked.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:01 amNo real surprise there. I don’t expect any of them to criticize the Uribe government and their parapolitica death squads at this point in the campaign.
Comment by toasterhead — March 7, 2008 @ 10:54 am
Hillary parroted right-wing talking points and Obama used carefully measured words to avoid saying anthing. Exactly as I would've predicted.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:01 amPointing out strengths and weaknesses of each candidate is healthy.
Comment by nellre — March 7, 2008 @ 10:05 am
True but at this point that's not what Clinton is doing. She's lying! and she's saying she would rather her friend McInsane in office than Obama.
That's disgusting and makes her a monster intent on winning at the cost of all else!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:03 amAs I understand it, the unemployment rate represents the number of jobless people as a percentage of the total labor force. If you are neither working nor looking for work, you are not in the labor force. Even if your unemployment compensation runs out, you are still considered a part of the total labor force so long as you are still looking for work. Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:30 am
See, you're wrong in 2 places in that statement, Gigi: (1) that you actually "understand" anything; and (2) how the unemployment rate reported by the Labor Dept. is actually calculated.
As those in the know have tried to inform you several times here, the unemployment rate is not measured as the percentage of the total work force (i.e., the total number of people who could possibly be working at any time) that is not working. If that were the case, our unemployment rate would actually be far higher, as all of the high school and college students who could be working but actually are not would factor into that number. No -- instead, the government's unemployment rate is calculated by determining the number of people currently eligible for unemployment benefits as a percentage of the currently employed. Thus, when someone's unemployment benefits run out (typically within 6-12 months of their first becoming eligible), they fall out of the numerator of that equation, and if the denominator (the number of people actually working) doesn't increase proportionately, the unemployment rate appears to go down. But it's a false picture, since those who are no longer eligible for unemployment benefits but who are also not yet working are still unemployed, but aren't in the calculation of the unemployment rate.
There -- your lesson in labor statistics for the day. Now go back to drinking your kool-aid, and only come back here when you have something intelligent to offer. (That oughta keep Gigi away for a while, folks...).
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
March 7th, 2008 at 11:03 amI believe you will find your answer here:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
Comment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:44 am
I can link to the presidential oath of office. Doesn't mean it's followed.
I can link to the "Don't ask don't tell" policy. You know that's not being followed to the letter. The military can't afford to lose anyone.
I can link to the AUMF bill but that's not being adhered to by this administration.
golly, good golly, you want so hard to believe Bush.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:04 amComment by gummitch — March 7, 2008 @ 10:56 am
Comment by Zooey — March 7, 2008 @ 10:59 am
Hookay... let's keep this "snark" thing under control here this morning.
Apparently there was an "incident" here yesterday. We wouldn't want things to get out of hand again, would we?
The Peoples' Islamic Republic of Snarkpidity
March 7th, 2008 at 11:04 am(That oughta keep Gigi away for a while, folks…).
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
Comment by The Dogfather — March 7, 2008 @ 11:03 am
THAT is wishful thinking...
March 7th, 2008 at 11:06 amWatch Obama get the nom -- then McWar taps Hitlary for Veep!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:06 amApparently there was an “incident†here yesterday. We wouldn’t want things to get out of hand again, would we?
The Peoples’ Islamic Republic of Snarkpidity
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 7, 2008 @ 11:04 am
You've got a lock on the snark, polar bear? :-D
Incident? Do tell...
March 7th, 2008 at 11:08 amComment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 10:44 am
gg, you didn't give any of your hard $ to these crooks, did you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/washington/06gop.html?_r=2&ei=5088&en=7a88dcd2f2742a49&ex=1362546000&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1204906057-9wIbsGXSVUbGUxmWFJ+K1A
i sure hope not.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:08 amHillary parroted right-wing talking points and Obama used carefully measured words to avoid saying anthing. Exactly as I would’ve predicted.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — March 7, 2008 @ 11:01 am
I don't expect any of them to rock the boat right now. They're taking similar approaches with the Israel/Palestine war. Parroting the usual "Israel has the right to defend herself" talking point with no mention of Israel's holocaust against Ghaza.
I'm disappointed, but not a bit surprised.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:10 amFixed it for you :-)
Comment by Uncle Ho — March 7, 2008 @ 10:28 am
Thanks Unclo Ho. I almost typed that but I didn't want to infringe... Plus the thought of SNL skit and the guy in the shark suit almost made me wet myself w/ laughter
March 7th, 2008 at 11:12 amThe Absent-Minded Snarker
March 7th, 2008 at 11:14 amThe Snark
Snarks from Heaven
Dead Men Don't Wear Snarks
The Snark with Two Brains
The Lonely Snark
¡Three Snarks!
Planes, Trains and Snarks
Dirty Snarky Scoundrels
L.A. Snark
Father of the Snark
Snarkfinger
Snarker by the Dozen
Wild and Crazy Snark?
Incident? Do tell…
Comment by Zooey — March 7, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Well, ah... apparently people went snark-crazy here at one point. Not quite sure how it happened. All of a sudden, everything was snark-this and snark-that. Some of it was even in Latin, and I think there was some French snarking too. Well, someone finally called the police and everyone ran out the door. The place was quite the mess, let me tell you.
I, of course, was an innocent bystander... it was amazing to watch.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:14 amthe monster is pretty transparent also...
CANTON, Miss. - [...]
While she hammered at Obama's lack of experience, Clinton staffers spent the day bemoaning what they termed Obama's negative campaign tactics.
By yesterday evening, however, Clinton had sharply toned down her Obama attacks. At a Democratic party dinner here, which Obama did not attend, Clinton acknowledged his strong support, much it from African-American voters. A local official spoke on Obama's behalf.
"I'm well aware Sen. Obama has an enormous amount of support here," she said. "I want the people of Mississippi to know I'm there for you."
March 7th, 2008 at 11:14 amhttp://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usdems075604578mar07,0,5506284.story
OMG... it's starting again.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:15 amI, of course, was an innocent bystander… it was amazing to watch.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 7, 2008 @ 11:14 am
I bet that made the trolls retreat to their bridges. Sorry I missed it!
~Hussein Zooey
March 7th, 2008 at 11:15 am@100
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 10:30 am
I don't think Bilbo is trying to divde as you say but unite rather.
What you describe is the rovian tactics that most of this country has come to loathe and the use of the fear card that is appalling! Now we are seeing Hillary state she prefers McInsane over Obama.
If that's not devisive, NOTHING is!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:17 amI don't recall seeing a single troll here at the time. they might have tried, but I didn't notice. Too busy dodging flying pieces of furniture and Lord knows what else.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:17 amTROS; all this snarking really IS theraputic. LMFAO!!!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:18 amwhy should OBAMA or hillary have anything to say about it?
at least at this point...
Summit to take on crisis over Colombian raid into Ecuador
CNN International - 2 hours ago
(CNN) -- The presidents of Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela, entangled in a crisis sparked by a raid by Colombian forces into Ecuador, plan to join other Latin American leaders at a summit Friday.
Chavez Calls for Cooling Tensions The Associated Press
South American Leaders Gather for Regional Summit Voice of America
the U.S. needs to stay out of for now, imo...
juan? anything to add?
- Hussein Katy
March 7th, 2008 at 11:19 amMcWar : his snark is the same as his bite.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:21 amThink of it as a Team Building Exercise, Uncle Ho...
Ever see "Meatballs" w/ Bill Murray?
Remember the scene where his campers are afraid they're going to get wiped out in the upcoming competition by the other camp?
What did Bill do?
"It just doesn't matter..."
"It just doesn't matter..."
"It just doesn't matter..."
I say, "Snark 'em if they can't take a joke!"
March 7th, 2008 at 11:21 amComment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 11:14 am
Oh, sure, Clinton is going to be very polite about Obama down in Mississippi in front of large Black audiences. Don't want to start sounding all racist. What a hypocrite.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:23 amHere's a bit of info on the unemployment statistic formulation (from http://www.thepriceofliberty.org):
The Department of Labor provides two different sets of labor market statistics: the Establishment Survey and the Household Survey. The Establishment Survey polls 400,000 companies on how many employees they have. The Household Survey questions 60,000 households each month on whether they have jobs and whether someone is looking for one.
There are a number of technical reasons that the two surveys can yield different numbers. For example, people with more than one job will be counted multiple times in the establishment survey. On the other hand, the self-employed are only counted by the household survey.
The so-called “jobless recovery†picture is painted using the Household Survey for calculating the unemployment rate but using the Establishment Survey for the number of jobs created. The Household Survey can be used for both measures as it, too, provides estimates on the total number of people employed. But the two surveys have implied dramatically different changes in employment over the last few years. Over the last year, the Household Survey shows that almost two million new jobs have been created, while the Establishment Survey indicated a job loss of 62,000 jobs. Over the entire Bush administration, the Household Survey found that about 2.4 million new jobs have been created. By contrast, the Establishment Survey shows a net addition of only 522,000.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:23 amthe U.S. needs to stay out of for now, imo…
juan? anything to add?
- Hussein Katy
Comment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 11:19 am
The U.S. needs... the U.S. should... and this means the U.S. will almost assuredly dive in head first. No doubt, key players in the Botch Admin are just salivating at the chance to help start yet ANOTHER war, and this one in our own hemisphere, ta boot!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:24 amfrom C&L blog roundup:
Capital Eye: Desperate to get of the hook for their serial lawlessness, the telephone utility industry spent at least $31.4 million lobbying in 2007.
can you imagine?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:25 amWhatever respect I had for Hillarity I've tossed and lost. She's playing a dangerous game of double agent. She's trying to hedge her bet in the event Obama wins the nomination by appeasing McCain enough that maybe he'll throw her a bone. She obviously thought it would be a walk for her campaign to the nomination and she didn't adequately prepare for an actual competitive race. So now she's starting to play dirty and the voters are aware of this and are becoming turned off by it.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:25 amtrue to their colors, tros... it won't surprise me either...
March 7th, 2008 at 11:27 amthe U.S. needs to stay out of for now, imo…
juan? anything to add?
- Hussein Katy
Comment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 11:19 am
The U.S. is already very much in it. That's the problem. The military equipment Colombia used to launch the cross-border raid on Ecuador was provided in part through U.S. funding. President Uribe is a right-wing leader propped up through U.S. assistance, and he's being used as a proxy warrior against Hugo Chavez and Rafael Correa, two left-wing leaders who are threatening to nationalize their oil industries.
The Uribe government is even using Bushco's pre-Iraq tactics, claiming that Raul Reyes was trying to purchase significant quantities of uranium from Venezuela to build a dirty bomb.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:27 amTROS; I haven't seen meatballs for a loooooonnnnnng time.
As for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME SNARK!
Uncle Hussein Ho
March 7th, 2008 at 11:30 amG'morning, *almost* everyone!
There are a couple of terrific op/eds this morning, one from Joe Conason:
"McCain's Very Own Farrakhan"
http://tinyurl.com/37k7jv
And one from Robert Scheer:
Iran on Top - Thanks to Bush
http://tinyurl.com/36gpx5
Both *excellent* reading!
~L. Hussein Annie
March 7th, 2008 at 11:30 amappeasing McCain enough that maybe he’ll throw her a bone.
- mr. evil
but then what?
would a mcSAME/clinton ticket actually do anything?
curious...
i just dont' get it... i'm very disappointed to see hillary acting
March 7th, 2008 at 11:30 amlike a spoiled, nasty, petulant little GIRL...
gives all us girls a bad name...
Conason is always a good read.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:32 amtrying to purchase significant quantities of uranium from Venezuela to build a dirty bomb.
Comment by toasterhead @ 11:27 am
that made me chuckle... was it supposed to?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:32 amAlleging that the White House “made apparently false and misleading statements in court about the White House e-mail controversy,†CREW asked a federal judge yesterday “to demand an explanation†about “testimony at a congressional hearing last week†that is inconsistent with “what the White House told a federal court in January.â€
Say it ain't so! No way our beloved administration could have possibly made any false or misleading statement on any topic whatsoever!
Right. And there's a bridge in Siberia for sale on Ebay, cheap.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:33 amComment by good_golly — March 7, 2008 @ 11:28 am
oh good gg, you're back. now girl you didn't give these guys any of your money, did you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/washington/06gop.html?_r=2&ei=5088&en=7a88dcd2f2742a49&ex=1362546000&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1204906057-9wIbsGXSVUbGUxmWFJ+K1A
hmmm?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:35 amAs Obama continues to refute, rebut and call BS on Clinton's & McCain's unsubstantial attacks with a cool, calm demeanor, the nation will see that he IS presidential material, and means business when he says we're going to do politics a different way.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:35 amthat made me chuckle… was it supposed to?
Comment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 11:32 am
Yes - it was a wee bit 'o snark. But it is based on a true story - two days after the raid, a Colombian police chief announced that he found letters on Raul Reyes' laptop -- which survived with nary a scratch a massive bombing raid that killed almost 20 people -- to Venezuelan officials about "the matter of the Uranium."
I wrote a piece on the situation on my blog yesterday, if you're interested.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:37 amComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 7, 2008 @ 11:17 am
bilbo has his own agenda and "uniting" the democrats isn't it.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:38 amUncle Hussein Ho
Comment by Uncle Ho — March 7, 2008 @ 11:30 am
At this point, I'm sad to say... it's appears more and more that we all better be satisfied w/ snark... 'cause liberty ain't doin' too well these days.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am"So now she’s starting to play dirty and the voters are aware of this and are becoming turned off by it."
Comment by Mr. Evil — March 7, 2008 @ 11:25 am
I hope you're right about them getting turned off. Because it's getting ugly here in PA already.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:39 amDr. Snark
From Russia With Snark
Goldsnarker
Thundersnark
You Only Snark Twice
On Her Snarkys Secret Service
Diamonds Snark Forever
Snark and Let Die
The Man with the Golden Snark
The Spy Who Snarked Me
Moonsnarker
For Your Snark Only
Octosnarky
A View to a Snark
The Snarking Daylights
Licence to Snark
GoldenSnark
Tomorrow Never Snarks
The World is Snark Enough
Snark Another Day
Snark Royale
Quantum of Snark
The Snark Who Shagged Me?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:40 amShe was co-president for 8 years, and if and when she is elected she will still have Bill as her adviser.
She’s tough as nails, which some find unappealing, while Obama is inspiring, but without solid experience, which some find troubling.
BS. By your reasoning Nancy Reagan would have been qualified to be President after her husband left office. I do agree with you, though, that she is tough as nails, but I don't necessarily view that as a good thing.
Dems are split on these two excellent candidates. Bashing either candidate is bashing a large constituency.
Bashing each other is pointless.
Then perhaps you should be having a talk with Hillary, because she is the one who is doing the bashing and she is the one who is aiding and abetting McCain.
Pointing out strengths and weaknesses of each candidate is healthy.
Hillary is not pointing out the strengths and weaknesses, she is in scorched earth mode which can do nothing but help the Republicans.
Perhaps you can tell us why it is a good idea for Hillary to be, in effect, endorsing McCain if she can't win.
Comment by nellre
March 7th, 2008 at 11:42 amand that Jane Fonda classic "Barefoot in the Snark"...
March 7th, 2008 at 11:43 amOctosnarky
my favorite
March 7th, 2008 at 11:43 amMake it stop... make it stop...
Nooooooooooooooo! IIIIIYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
**sounds of breaking glass and shattering wood, then footsteps running off on pavement...**
March 7th, 2008 at 11:43 amthey're out there, y'know...
Bond had Q; Jethro has Hal Turner
Update: The nice folks at the Southern Poverty Law Center got a screen cap of Hal's threat against Obama before he took it down. It's been forwarded to the Secret Service agent investigating the case.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/02/bond-had-q-jethro-has-hal-turner.html
round 'im up, SS... we're counting on you...
March 7th, 2008 at 11:45 amOMG, okay, I think I'm done... whew.
There's nothing crazier than making oneself laugh aloud!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:46 amCan someone please explain this 'snark' business to me?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:48 amFu(k Hillary!
Ewwwww!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:49 amOur Snarker, which art in Snarkdom,
March 7th, 2008 at 11:49 amhallowed be thy Snark;
thy Snarkdom come;
thy will be Snarked,
in earth as it is in Snarkdom.
Give us this snark our daily snarker.
And forgive us our snarkeness,
as we snark them that snark against us.
And lead us not into snarkville;
but snark us from snark.
For snark is the snarkdom,
the snark , and the snark,
For snark and snark.
OK! Enough with the snarkisms. It's gone on too far and now it's into several overtimes. STOP! Please, make it stop! Or I will be driven to commit first degree snarkder!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:52 amCan someone please explain this ’snark’ business to me?
Comment by Repunklicans — March 7, 2008 @ 11:48 am
You don't understand snark?
That actually brought tears to my eyes....I'm so sorry...
~Hussein Zooey
March 7th, 2008 at 11:54 ambilbo has his own agenda and “uniting†the democrats isn’t it.
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 11:38 am
Really? You're the one that seems to be advocating clinton's praise of McInsane as acceptable and in no way devisive.
Much like the Repugnicunt Gov. of Fla. is now overly concerned about the disenfranchisement of his Dem. population and his demand that they get to have their voices heard. Suddenly Fla. Repugs are interested in counting votes?
They BROKE the RULES and they knew that they were breaking the rules they have no argument for it.
You need to ask yourself, Why would the Repugs be so infavor of Hillary?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:54 amHowever, for whatever reason, it is apparent you find it necessary to highlight divisions among Democrats and then rant over and over about them. You continually seek to divide us as Democrats, which is playing right into the Republicans hands. I have no justification for why you do this, but you do.
No, I like others on this blog and in the biosphere find the tactics that Hillary Clinton has adopted to be reprehensible. I/we don't understand why she is playing into the Republican's hands by saying that only she and John McCain are fit to lead. We are also turned off by her Rovian tactics. It is not us who are seeking to divide us as Democrats, it is Hillary Clinton who is doing it daily by her actions. Would you prefer that we ignore the things she is doing?
March 7th, 2008 at 11:54 amOr I will be driven to commit first degree snarkder!
Comment by Mr. Evil — March 7, 2008 @ 11:52 am
That would be just plain.....um, snarkevil.
~Hussein Zooey
March 7th, 2008 at 11:55 amFor snark and snark.
Comment by Nature Rules — March 7, 2008 @ 11:49 am
Whoa... I LIKE it!
Okay... my bad... I started it. You can all blame me.
I've created a Snarkenstein's Monster!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:55 amMr. Evil - that would be snarkicide.
Heheheh!
~L. Hussein Annie
March 7th, 2008 at 11:56 amY'know, it's gotten kind of boring have the same 3 bottom-of-the-barrel trolls every single day.
Gives us this day our daily snark
lead us not into snarktation
blessed be the snark-makers
-tom hussein snarker
March 7th, 2008 at 11:59 amIs Hillarity still a viable snarkidential candidate?
I've been corrupted. Damn you Snarkenstein!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:01 pmths, The higher quality trolls are on lend-lease to McSame's campaign
~ RHUsseinCerious ~
March 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pmKingdom of the Snarks
look that up in your Snark & Wagnall's
Rowan and Martin's Snark-In
the Flying Fickle Finger of Snark
You bet your snark
snark it to me
March 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pmTP just posted an item about Oliver North saying dumb things about the NYC Times Square bombing (he's blaming Nancy Pelosi), and closed the comment section!
Talk about waving a juicy hunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion and yanking it away...
March 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pmFor some brilliantly executed public snarking on a mass scale, check out incredible New York artist, Ron English's work on vigilante billboards.
Sensational stuff.
http://www.popaganda.com/billboards/index_1.shtml
March 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pmYeah, I don't understand L33T internet speak, so snark is incomprehensible.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:10 pmIt is not us who are seeking to divide us as Democrats, it is Hillary Clinton who is doing it daily by her actions. Would you prefer that we ignore the things she is doing?
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 11:54 am
Why don't we focus of the benefits of Obama and why Obama should be the nominee. And, as far as I am concerned, at the end of the day Obama will be the nominee.
However, I'm sure the bloggers on Red State would fully agree with your criticisms of Hillary, so, rest assured, you are not alone.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:10 pmjuan? anything to add?
- Hussein Katy
Comment by katy
Well, first of all, thanks...
*sitting and lighting a tobacco pipe*
Colombia has been supported by the US since Clinton times. Controlling the drug is one of the best businesses in the world, so the US won't be out of it. So the war on drugs is precisely the war on peasants that oppose to govt controlled coke camps. Thousands of civilians have been killed by govt's death squads and there is even a big scandal just buried by Uribe when the bodies of thousands of people were found in common graves some months ago.
Now, why now is this happening?
Well, after the liberation of some hostages, the FARC tried to make a move towards openness and they were speaking directly with Sarkozy. That would mean peace. I mean, even Sarkozy is a hardliner. Uribe doesn't want peace because that would mean an unjustified flow money and weaponry from the US, which means less money for war companies and that can't happen.
Uribe's reasons to attack FARC and kill 20 people are very logic: they were trying to negotiate and people would (and are, just read about a thousands people demostration in COLOMBIA condemning Uribe's terrorist actions) look at FARC with a different, more approachable light.
Now, Uribe's accusations against Chávez and Correa are laughable. He says those two presidents were supporting FARC. Maybe they were, but what about Sarkozy? Will Uribe condemn Sarkozy for speaking with Raúl Reyes? I really doubt that.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:11 pmTalk about waving a juicy hunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion and yanking it away…
Comment by missmolly — March 7, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
Faiz -- open the comments on that thread -- what is TP turning into?
March 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pmComment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 11:45 am
This is even funnier! After checking out the link you posted I followed a link from the article and found the following:
http://www.halturnershow.com/
SECOND COUNTERFEIT CHECK
DESTROYS HAL TURNER SHOW FINANCES
Click image to enlarge
This is why there was no show on Wednesday, March 5. When I got home from work and found out from the Bank this happened, I watched everything I'd worked years to create, go down the tubes. I watched the efforts of hundreds of people - YOU - be intentionally wrecked by someone so vicious, they are willing to commit open Bank fraud to wreck me and my show.
It appears that this guy is so stupid he got scammed by one of the many 419 scams! Hysterical
March 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pmSorry, forgot to add:
Juan Salam Ismael C
March 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pmComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 7, 2008 @ 11:54 am
What are you talking about?
When did I praise Hillary?
Furthermore, when did I ever even reference Charlie Crist or a Florida re-election or anything of that nature?
March 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pmLet's just go ahead and take some swipes at Ollie right here, then.
"After appearing on Fox, "Col" North was headed to Thailand, to testify as a character witness on behalf of international weapons dealer, Viktor Bout."
March 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pmTP just posted an item about Oliver North saying dumb things about the NYC Times Square bombing (he’s blaming Nancy Pelosi), and closed the comment section!
Talk about waving a juicy hunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion and yanking it away…
Comment by missmolly — March 7, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Comments have been re-opened.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pmYeah, I don’t understand L33T internet speak, so snark is incomprehensible.
Comment by Repunklicans — March 7, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
Not leet, doofus, LOL (there's your L33T), but snark, as in SARCASM.
Or is it the sailboat?
Trolling minds remained confused, as it should be.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm"However, I’m sure the bloggers on Red State would fully agree with your criticisms of Hillary, so, rest assured, you are not alone."
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
That's not even a fair argument. That's what got us into this mess of the last 7 years to begin with. RedStaters and Repugs refused to clean their own house. Progressives are better than that. This BS that Hillary is doing needs a good scrubbing and you don't seem to get it.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:21 pmAnother wing-nut bastion is hammered by the winds of reality (From the San Diego on-line website):
LOS ANGELES -- California parents without teaching credentials cannot legally home school their children, according to a recent state appellate court ruling.
"Parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey wrote in a Feb. 28 opinion for the 2nd District Court of Appeal.
Noncompliance could lead to criminal complaints against the parents, Croskey said.
[. . .]
An estimated 166,000 students in California are home schooled, but it was unclear how many of them are taught solely by an uncredentialed parent.
To earn a five-year preliminary teaching credential in California, a person must obtain a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university and complete multiple examinations.
Until now, California allowed home schooling if parents filed paperwork to establish themselves as small, private schools; hired a credentialed tutor; or enrolled their child in an independent study program run by an established school while teaching the child at home.
[. . .]
March 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pmOkay... that does it... time to open a chapter of SA* here
*Snarkaholics Anonymous...
Hell, my name is TRoS, and I'm a snarkaholic...
March 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pmIf this keeps up, will the Feds declare a new War on Snarcotics?
March 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pmThanks for opening comments on the Ollie North thread, TP.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pm@208Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
I didn't say that you mentioned Crist. I brought him up because it is representative of the Support Hillary crowd. Why are the Repugs so in favor of her? Because they know and most of the people that prefer Obama over her know that she will be easier to beat.
But you are praising Hillary by letting her off the hook for her reprehensible behaviour.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pmHell, my name is TRoS, and I’m a snarkaholic…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 7, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
My name is Hussein Zooey, and I'm a snarkaholic.
But I'm not sorry....I'll never stop....no one can make me stop!!!
**skips out of room**
March 7th, 2008 at 12:28 pmComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 7, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Its not an argument. Its a comment. Probably a pretty accurate comment at that.
I noticed you decided to ignore the fact you were putting comments in my mouth. Apparently when you shovel the bullshit, false comments its okay. If you want to talk about the need to clean house, you might start with your own.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pmIt's Hussein Day at TheZoo!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:32 pmThe U.S. needs… the U.S. should… and this means the U.S. will almost assuredly dive in head first. No doubt, key players in the Botch Admin are just salivating at the chance to help start yet ANOTHER war, and this one in our own hemisphere, ta boot!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
And they are guaranteed to take sides against Chavez no matter who is right and who is wrong. Why? Because Chavez has insulted Bush on many occasions and they have lots of oil.
I agree with Kay. I don't want to hear anything from Clinton or Obama on this situation other than to say that they need to have a chance to work out their problems for themselves before the US starts commenting on it. It's time we learn to MYOB!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:38 pmUpdate: The nice folks at the Southern Poverty Law Center got a screen cap of Hal’s threat against Obama before he took it down. It’s been forwarded to the Secret Service agent investigating the case.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 02/ bond-had-q-jethro-has-hal-turner.html
round ‘im up, SS… we’re counting on you…
Comment by katy
This is so scary and just what I have been worrying about. Want to bet that the Secret Service does nothing about it? A guy gets arrested because he badmouthed Chaney to his face but someone like this can suggest killing a presidential candidate with Ricin and nothing will be done.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pmMuch like the Repugnicunt Gov. of Fla. is now overly concerned about the disenfranchisement of his Dem. population and his demand that they get to have their voices heard. Suddenly Fla. Repugs are interested in counting votes?
They BROKE the RULES and they knew that they were breaking the rules they have no argument for it.
You need to ask yourself, Why would the Repugs be so infavor of Hillary?
If he is so worried about disenfranchised voters he should be calling for another vote and pay for it. If there is not a re-vote in Florida, all the Democrats who stayed home because they were told their vote wouldn't be counted will be disenfranchised.
Hillary Clinton should be so proud. She is getting a lot of Republican help these days and it doesn't seem to bother her a bit. She was fine with the Republicans crossing over and giving her Texas. Yet if they had done that for Obama, she would be screaming bloody murder.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:47 pmHowever, I’m sure the bloggers on Red State would fully agree with your criticisms of Hillary, so, rest assured, you are not alone.
Comment by dim wit
And so do most of the people here. I know that I am not alone. You are the one who is alone here.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pmSnarktanic
Simon and Snarkfukel
snark and let snark
March 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pmSimon and Snarkfunkel
March 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pmI agree with Kay. I don’t want to hear anything from Clinton or Obama on this situation other than to say that they need to have a chance to work out their problems for themselves before the US starts commenting on it. It’s time we learn to MYOB!
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins
Bilbo, I think we started this........We basically are propping up the Columbian government.....anything they are doing is at our behest...maybe Juan can give us more info on this....and I may be wrong but I believe we are doing this. I agree with you though, we need to get out of there and mind our own business.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:52 pmHell, my name is TRoS, and I’m a snarkaholic…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 7, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
You started the whole thing you baaaad boy.
Your punisment, you shall be snarked and feathered.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pmSnarked and feathered? NOOOOOOOO!!!
Do anything but throw me in that snark patch over there...
March 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pmComment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins
On the Hillary nightmare.....Obama has this deal wrapped up thankfully.
I think Hillary is doing what has worked for the republicans in the past and many in our country who do support her.....and there are many, must think that we will have to be just as vicious if we are to beat them.....
I agree that the country is tired of it but at the same time we have to be realistic. The republicans will use it against Obama and I'm not sure how it will work if he doesn't engage on their level. He will have to definitely b on the defensive the entire time if he doesn't.
If he plays defense and wins we will all win because it will show politicians that we are truly tired of it.....
March 7th, 2008 at 1:01 pmI snark allegience to the snark,
March 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pmOf the United Snarks of America,
And to the Republic, for which it snarks,
One nation, under snark, indivisible,
With liberty and snark for all.
I agree that the country is tired of it but at the same time we have to be realistic. The republicans will use it against Obama and I’m not sure how it will work if he doesn’t engage on their level. He will have to definitely b on the defensive the entire time if he doesn’t.
I would like to see Obama be more forceful in responding to Hillary, but I don't want to see him use dirty tactics like Hillary is. He could start by asking her to tell the American public exactly what she has done that makes her more experienced to be able to handle international crisis. A reporter for Slate magazine asked one of her handlers that question the other day on a phone call and there was absolute silence for about 5 seconds. Then he came back with something like "there's lots of things in her background that make her experienced", but he couldn't come up with one individual incident to brag on.
I am getting really concerned that Hillary wants Obama to lose more than she wants the Democrats to win. If she continues with her scorched earth policies and constant praising of McCain, she will end up not only losing the nomination, but all credibility she has gained while in the Senate.
March 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pmAnd so do most of the people here. I know that I am not alone. You are the one who is alone here.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Oh, bilbo, filled with so much hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with you. I am unsure if you have noticed, but literally millions of people have voted for Hillary. Are they, like me, alone? or rather, are we being ostracized by the likes of yourself for having an opinion which differs?
March 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pmHILLARY IS DESTROYING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
There, I got it out of my system. Only the Democrats can snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Every day that goes by, I get more and more angry and depressed where this race is going.
She can ONLY win by undermining the will of the people (read super delegates)! Her negative campaigning is bringing all the hope crashing down around us.
March 7th, 2008 at 1:28 pmIts not an argument. Its a comment. Probably a pretty accurate comment at that.
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
You're right. That wasn't an argument and it is far from a "pretty accurate comment at that" The Repugs and RedStaters are absolutely salivating at the thought of a clinton candidacy. They know she will be much easier to defeat than Obama. And she's helping them do it by praising McInsane.
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I noticed you decided to ignore the fact you were putting comments in my mouth. Apparently when you shovel the bullshit, false comments its okay. If you want to talk about the need to clean house, you might start with your own.
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
You noticed wrong. I acknowledged that It wasn't you that Brought up Crist, I did. The only Bullshit being shovled is by you and your lack of understanding that I was comparing your support of clinton, by way of not condemming her reprehensible behavior, to the repugs support of her a la Crist and the Repugs who vote for her in the open primarys as a way of getting her to the Nomination.
Again, Why are the Repugs so eager to support her?
March 7th, 2008 at 1:34 pmHillary Clinton should be so proud. She is getting a lot of Republican help these days and it doesn’t seem to bother her a bit. She was fine with the Republicans crossing over and giving her Texas. Yet if they had done that for Obama, she would be screaming bloody murder.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
You're right Bilbo, what her supoporters fail to realize is that there are some Rep.s that have crossed over or gone indy. for Obama because they want change and this is one of the biggest indicators that he can unite this country. While her Repug support comes from the Limpball loonie fringe and they are only supporting her to get her to the Nominiation so that they can defeat her.
March 7th, 2008 at 1:41 pmShe can ONLY win by undermining the will of the people (read super delegates)! Her negative campaigning is bringing all the hope crashing down around us.
Comment by jpoke42
I'm hoping for Obama too but how do we explain the support she obviously has in the country......this thing is pretty close so what do you think those people are thinking that don't agree with us?
March 7th, 2008 at 1:47 pmRadical Right,
you and bilbo are rabid. I live here in the Chicago area - a hotbed of Obama support - and I can say I am proud the Barack supporters here are much more inclusive (and far less devisive) than the two of you.
Fred's last comment speaks of the rationality I support. Hillary has a lot of support which cannot be ignored and should not be treated like the enemy.
March 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pmRadical Right & Bilbo,
check this out:
Obama adviser resigns over comment
Posted: 11:48 AM ET
Power has resigned her position with the campaign.
(CNN) — Samantha Power has resigned her position from Barack Obama's campaign after calling Hillary Clinton a 'monster,' the Illinois senator's campaign announced.....Obama spokesman Bill Burton distanced the campaign from the remarks, saying in a statement that the Illinois senator "decries such characterizations which have no place in this campaign."
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Get the message. Obama doesn't want to be associated with the type of slanderous attacks on Hillary the two of you support.
March 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pmThe Times They Are A-Snark-in'
March 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pmSubterranean Homesnark Blues
Highway 61 ReSnarked
Snark On Blonde
Nashville Snarkline
Snarkportrait
Snark Morning
Planet Snark
Before The Snark
Snark On The Tracks
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
I'm staring to think your screen name wasn't an accident.
Rabid? I've been called worse by more important people.
What part of Hillary's praising McInsane while tearing Down Obama are you ok with? How is it that you fail to understand that Fearmongering is bad regardless of which party is doing it?
What part of repugs supporting her in the primary when they won't support her in the general is hard for you to grasp?.
As for your next post We aren't suggesting that Obama should stoop to her level it's her stooping to her level that we have and you apparently do not have a problem with. I'm glad that his advisor stepped down. When is Hillary's advisor who compared Obama to Starr going to? I'm also hopeful that his current advisor who thinks telecom immunity is a good idea will also step down.
Talk about putting words into ones mouth, it's Hillary's campaign that is trying to divide here and I like the people of Chi town will be happy to include Hillary's supporters when the stop supporting her "at any cost approach.
March 7th, 2008 at 2:40 pmFred’s last comment speaks of the rationality I support. Hillary has a lot of support which cannot be ignored and should not be treated like the enemy.
Comment by dim wit
The only "Hillary supporters" who are being treated like the enemy are those that support her scorched earth policies. That will bring down the Democratic party. I'm sorry, but I can't admire people who support someone who would rather bring down her party than admit defeat.
Get the message. Obama doesn’t want to be associated with the type of slanderous attacks on Hillary the two of you support.
Comment by dim wit
Excuse me, but would you like to quote any "slanderous attacks on Hillary" that I have ever supported. Unless you consider it a "slanderous attack" to point out that she is praising McCain daily while dissing Obama. Or is it a "slanderous attack" to point out that she had an advertisement on her website where she darkened Obama's skin. Or was it a "slanderous attack" when we pointed out that she lied about Obama's involvement in the NAFTA/Canada affair when it turns out that SHE was the one who did what she accused Obama of doing.
If you think any of those truths are "slanderous attacks", there is no hope for you. You truly are a dim wit.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pmComment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — March 7, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
my god, what is it with you two?
The rabid comment wasn't meant to be an insult. Its not the way I am. I was trying to point out that the two of you are so intwined in your on belief system you can't see anyone else's point of view.
as for being called worse by more important people than me, well, what can I say. I guess you should be proud.
Obama is going to win the nomination, though he's really going to need Hillary. The Hillary supporters will fall in line. It'd be best to not insult them and push them to McCain.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:20 pmBilbo and RRRW, regarding Ohio voters who were duped by a lie about Obama and NAFTA --
March 7th, 2008 at 3:25 pmI know I won't be politically correct in saying this, but the typical over 50 year old midwestern white voter, with no more than a high school education, working in a blue collar job, living in a blue collar/rural community are often as prejudiced as the fictional Archie Bunker. The lie that was fed to them hit them squarely on target - they needed a legitimate reason to vote their latent racism, and this was it.
Most of America is leaving the racism of the past behind, but it is still a strong presence in some white communities.
#126, MM says
I was told that statistically, once my unemployment ran out, I was no longer “unemployed†as far as the state was concerned.
Many people do not know that Miss Molly - it's good to point that out at any given opportunity -- particularly when Bush&Co claim that unemployment is goind down!
March 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pmThe only “Hillary supporters†who are being treated like the enemy are those that support her scorched earth policies. That will bring down the Democratic party.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins
Bilbo, I agree with you but this doen't help.....it sounds a little over the top. The democratic party is in no danger of destruction from Hillary's bad judgement alone. I only mention it because it puts other valid points of yours on the same level......thus diminishing them.
It is in danger if it doesn't start listening to it's constituants instead of using it as a way to line their pockets and represent special interests groups against the good of the American people because I do think the Democrats in America are tired of that.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:29 pmYou truly are a dim wit.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 7, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
yep. that I am.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:32 pmEd Rendell is supporting Clinton In PA.
March 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pmIn the 2004 primary election, Rendell supported Sen. Joe Lieberman. The Connecticut senator who is anathema to Democrats now was Rendell's pick in the primary.
*sitting and lighting a tobacco pipe*
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Comment by Juan C. — March 7, 2008 @ 12:11 pm
l o l ... that visual is just too cute!
thanks for the explanation... always enlightening... thanks!
March 7th, 2008 at 4:08 pm"The rabid comment wasn’t meant to be an insult.... I was trying to point out that the two of you are so intwined in your on belief system you can’t see anyone else’s point of view."
"Obama is going to win the nomination, though he’s really going to need Hillary. The Hillary supporters will fall in line. It’d be best to not insult them and push them to McCain."
Comment by dim wit — March 7, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
I see your point of view and that's where we disagree. The problem is you can't see beyond your's because you still haven't acknowledged that what she is doing is damaging it will play into the hands of the repugs, it's not her supporters that are the concern, they will support Obama should she not get the nom if they are really Dems. But some of here supporters are not supporting her because they want here to win the General. i.e. Texas. They only want her to win because they know she will be easier to beat in Nov.
Where as Barrack has supporters that have crossed over or become indy and they will not vote for her.
March 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pm"...but it is still a strong presence in some white communities."
Comment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Agreed, which is why we have our work cut out for us here in PA with the lunk head we have for Gov. It's gonna get ugly.
March 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pmRendell’s pick in the primary.
Comment by Marie — March 7, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Rendell's usless.
March 7th, 2008 at 4:15 pmthanks for the explanation… always enlightening… thanks!
Comment by katy — March 7, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
Nahh, you are just too kind. ;)
Juan Salam Ismael C
March 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pmTo finish educating the troll who doesn't understand how the jobless rate is measured, here is a quote from the article in the SF Chronicle:
The unemployment rate actually dipped slightly from 4.9 percent to 4.8 percent, as 450,000 people left the labor force for any number of reasons. Economists thought many people probably gave up looking for work.
Apparently, following a simple link required more brain power than the troll can muster.
Also, from CNN:
The unemployment rate fell because of an increase of 450,000 people whom the government no longer counts as being part of the labor force for a variety of factors, such as that they are not currently looking for work. That drop in the size of the labor force allowed for he modest decline in unemployment, even as the household survey showed 255,000 fewer Americans with jobs than in January.
March 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pmJob losses: Worst in 5 years