Bushies push Romney as VP.
Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard reports that President Bush favors former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney as Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) running mate, as does Jeb Bush, who “preferred Romney over McCain in the primaries.” Bill Kristol also recently stated that “Mitt Romney would be good,” adding that he “vetted the idea with former White House aide Karl Rove.”
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Have they checked with Putin yet? Sounds like the Bushs’ (both George and Jeb) and their mastermind Rove want to model the U.S. after the current situation in Russia. Put in another figurehead, but they’ll just keep running the show. As will Cheney, of course.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pmi think Hagee might not like a mormon cult flavor mixed in with his anti-catholicism and anti semitism stew of idiot delusional rapture.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pmOh yes — please, please, PLEASE pick the guy that the Bushies and KKKarl want you to pick, McSame — after all, their political judgments have proven to be SO successful over the last several years…
~Abu al-Kelb Hussein
March 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pmWell Mitt did win Wyoming as he got 8 votes. McCain didn’t get any votes. Even Grandpa Thompson got 2 votes. Mitt should have never dropped out as McCain’s secrets came out and showed he’s no Christian Family Values man. He loves the strippers and the young look a like Cindy’s. McCain can’t remember what he says for one minute to the next. As for the US Economy, McCain says openly he doesn’t know anything about Economy. Mitt just wont let his son’s fight for the USA just send others Americans sons/daughters to do the illegal invasion and pay Blackwater to give them dirty water and no supplies.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:30 pmPoor Huckster, he must feel so left out. Or is that right out?
March 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pmHasn’t McCain been shut down by the FEC yet?
March 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pmIf freddy, billy and jebbo keep passing that weed around pretty soon they’ll have to excuse themselves to the texas pig farm for a circle jerk!
March 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pmdo McCain’s boys in uniform offset Romney’s boys in chinos? how does that work? is Romney “fit” to ride on a ticket with an alleged “war hero”? what will McMaverick’s new Fundie supporters have to say about that? If Catholics are apostate cultists, what are Mormons??
March 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pmI thought the deal was that Cheney was going to be VP. While the 22nd Amendment limits the term of President, is says nothing about the VP.
Dick gets to keep on running the government and John can be the front man this time.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pmThey just want Mittens Money.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pmIt won’t make any difference — MCCain will not win in November.
March 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pmI LOVE IT!
Double Flippity-Floppers!!! Bring’em on!!!
March 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pmThey can bill the ticket as “The old man and the mannequin!”
March 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pmIf I were McCain, I wouldn’t be getting on any small planes after the convention naming the Mittster VP.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pmRomney as VP? Good. I’m a little disappointed I didn’t get as much mileage out of the “tying the dog to the top of the car” story as I’d hoped before Mittens “suspended” his campaign.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pmThe GOP could run GOD as VP and it wouldn’t save them from absolute distruction.
The only thing that can save them in the 2008 GE is Diebold.
Watch the polls!
March 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pmEspecially after Foster took Hastert’s old seat in Illinois yesterday.
Talk about a slap upside the noggin for the GOOP!
March 9th, 2008 at 7:06 pmThey just want Mittens Money.
Comment by Lizzy — March 9, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Bingo! If Mittens gets the nod McCantankerous will drop his demand for public funding of this election and blame his flip-flop on Obama’s refusal to use public funds himself. Once again, my friends, the Republic party outsmarts us.
Re-elect McBush and McMittens.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:06 pmKrisol and Rove vetting things with each other…..am I the only one who no longer wants to eat dinner?
March 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pmMcCain drops dead (no one is asking him about his cancer, are they?) & guess who is President!
March 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pm“Bushies push Romney as VP”
Pass the dutchie on the left hand side.. Yeah, Rev. Huck, Shag King Rudy, and Grampa Fred were left out of the equation for VP. I agree. The Mittster would be another corporate figurehead as VP.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:18 pmSo the ticket would be:
McLame - GW Botch’s Evil Step Father
MittWitt - The Uber Rich, Bimbo, Cultist Mormon
Wow, the fruit is hangin’ reeaal low…Yuuummm!
March 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pmMcCain tonite on 60 minutes…..
I WILL be releasing my medical records in the next few months.
If he doesn’t, pay close attention to his VP choice.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pmAs there is no open forum today
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23547442/
Israel to build hundreds of more homes in occupied territories. Like that will help the peace chances.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pmAs the GOP establishment pushes Mitt Romney as John McCain’s VP, here’s a look back the Zelig of Campaign ‘08, a human chameleon whose positions morphed with changing audience, the ZIP code and political requirements of the day.
Here, then, are “Mitt Romney’s Greatest Hits.”
March 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pmIt’s plain that McCain is mainly insane… However, der Mittster Herr Romney is prpbably just as big a flip-flopper as Sir John of Lower WalkingCaneham… These are all just little GOP lambs being placed on the alter of “We must have a Presidential Candidate in 2008″ or we’ll look like the losers that we are. Actually, many of the clearer thinking GOPsters (a very small minority to be sure…) would prefer to just sit out this ‘lection and take their well-deserved lumps, but tradition says “no.”
Please note that the electronic election rigging equipment (Diebold Corporation optical scanning software, which has been purposely designed to be easily hacked without a trace) is still in place in many States, left over from the flipped 2004 Presidential Election. Note for the upcoming Dem primary election in Pennsylvania: almost all of their voting machines and vote-counting machines are electronic, run in secret by Republican-controlled corporations. So if Hillary pulls out some “amazing victory” there in April, it was done electronically… Her “amazing” victory in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary Election was do to electronic flipping of Obama’s votes with Hillary’s votes (they were exchanged) on Diebold electronic computerized optical scanners of ballots.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pm.
Romney as V.P.T.C.?
Vice President Torture Chief?
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March 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pmFred Barnes Flintstone of The Weakly Substandard , Wlliam “The Bloody Coward” Kristol from the same crappy rag , and Jeb Shrub ; rest assured if these 3 turds are all in agreement on someone , that person is the least qualified ………..
March 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm.
Oops,
Forgot to mention his qualifications…
Just ask PETA.
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March 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pmMcCain tonite on 60 minutes…..
“I WILL be releasing my medical records in the next few months.”
“Those are not xerox copies of a chessboard, they are my medical records!!”
March 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pmMcCain tonite on 60 minutes…..
“I WILL be releasing my medical records in the next few months.â€
Comment by Nevar — March 9, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
That’s because it’s going to take that long just to read through all of them…………….
March 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pmexcuse me, but what about rep. steve king (r-ia)…?
March 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pmThank goodness Karl is still in charge, his “numbers” were so good for Dems in 2006, I can only hope that he points GOPers in the same direction in 2008. We’ll all be thanking Karl for the Dem landslide. One thing you can bank on is these guys never, never, learn.
Watching 60 minutes, there’s that wonderful McWar quote again, “I disagree with what the majority of the American people want.” This McCain and Karl will give and keep on giving.
March 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pmHasn’t McCain been shut down by the FEC yet?
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover
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Not yet and if they select man on top of car Mitt, he can just open his wallett and the FEC will probably go away.
March 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pmI LOVE IT!
Double Flippity-Floppers!!! Bring’em on!!!
Comment by dixie blood — March 9, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
the republican cultists are going on the theory of double negatives making a positive only here two flip-floppers make an unflipped, flop. romney’s flip-flops will unflip mcsame’s flops.
March 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm.
What happened to the trolls?
March 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pmIs the GOP no longer making payroll due to missing funds?
VP from Central Casting? Sound about right for these nitwits.
March 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pmnofltwlt in #15: The only thing that can save them in the 2008 GE is Diebold. Watch the polls!
Or the DoJ. Watch the courts!
March 9th, 2008 at 9:46 pmThey need a wealthy to keep an eye on the money. McCain is from the bully faction, and they don’t trust him with their tax cuts.
March 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pmWe have Putin for president dictating the successors, who knew?
March 9th, 2008 at 10:02 pmJoe Lieberman.
March 9th, 2008 at 10:05 pmJust wait. You’ll see.
Conspiracy “theorists” are a hoot!
Believe it or not, there are quite a lot of people who don’t want or need an inspirational, rock star figure as President. All they want is someone whose policies are well thought out, move the country in the direction they believe it should go and can believably achieve their stated objectives.
Many people in New Hampsahire, after looking at the two candidates and thinking it through, decided Obama’s talk of “changing the tone in Washington” is admirable and all, but not really that important, when compared with the challenges that will face Bush’s successor.
Obama’s campaign has proven to be quite impressive in the intervening months since NH, but it was much less clear at the time of the primary (He’d only won Iowa) and people just preferred Hillary.
March 9th, 2008 at 10:15 pmtonight on 60 minutes, i didn’t catch the whole thing, but at one point i swore i heard him talking about how awful torture was… about how the US tried and convicted japanese soldiers…
i waited for the follow up: “but, sir, you voted to allow torture…”
it didn’t happen…
but i could’ve missed it…
March 9th, 2008 at 10:22 pmHuh. I really thought Bush would push one of his cronies for VP. Maybe Karen Hughes, or someone else exquisitely unqualified.
March 9th, 2008 at 10:44 pmThe ideal Repug ticket - McShame and LIEberman!
March 9th, 2008 at 10:53 pmComment by KT — March 9, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
Actually, the diebold machines are Microsoft bases operating systems and are intrinsically weak as we all know from the huge amount of viruses and trojans, not to mention other spyware type programs aimed at the system and its certainly plausible given the CE OS.
We need open source unix based voting systems.
March 9th, 2008 at 11:48 pmWe need hand-counted paper ballots in all of our elections. Trusting the lying cheating war-mongering Republicans and their secretive corporations to honestly count our votes is totally absurd or totally foolish. I know that DailyKos is still in denial, but for the rest of us there is no reason to trust these lying skunks anymore…
March 10th, 2008 at 1:25 ambe assured that it is Babs Bush who handpicked mittens.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:09 amLionel, on Air America, just speculated Rachel Maddow may be the one replacing asswipe Tucker on MSNBC. Could we be that fortunate?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:30 amOops. I posted in in wrong place. Mea culpa.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:36 amSo do ya think that Mitts will pass out a set of Morman secret shorts to McBush.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:40 amJOHN MCCAIN DO NOT PICK ROMNEY FOR VP! There is a reason Pat Robinson and other Christian religious leaders/groups are going with Rudi Giuliani and Fred Thompson for president and NOT Romney. Read “Is the Mormon My Brother-Discerning the Differences Between Mormonism and Christianity. by James R. White on Amazon.com. It cites a religious question and then answers it using a table/verse out of the Christian bible and then answers the same question by the Mormon table verse out of their Doctrine and Covenants, Book of Mormon or the writings of Joseph Smith.
Mormons are NOT CHRISTIANS.
This is an exact IN SUMMARY from JUST ONE chapter out of this book on page 24. No chapter/verse are used since they were already mentioned in the chapter and this is a summary.
“Official Mormon teaching is clear. God and man are of the same species. The difference between them is a matter of exaltation and progression over eons of time. God was once a man, a mortal, just as we are. He lived on another planet in a condition very similar to ours, and gained exaltation on the same principles that are made available to men today. The worthy Mormon man who is sealed for time and eternity to his wife in the LDS temple and who continues to be faithful to the end in obedience to gospel ordinances and principals, will be exalted, in due time, to the status of a god. He will have “eternal increase,” beget spirit children, and be worshipped as a god and creator of other worlds. In those worlds he will raise up his spirit children so that they too, might become exalted. This is the eternal law of progression, the concept of exaltation to godhood and as we have seen over and over, in Mormonism this is the gospel. That this is the LDS teaching cannot possible be doubted. Now we will respond to this viewpoint by presenting from the Scriptures the Christian doctrine of God. We do not enter here primarily upon issues such as the Trinity, the person of Christ, or the relationship between the divine Persons. There is a simple reason for this: it is a major mistake to think that what separates Mormonism and Christianity is a matter of perceptions of the Trinity. Instead the fundamental issue is monotheism versus polytheism, one eternal God versus an exalted man. By now this should be plainly seen from the data that has been presented. We err greatly when we attempt to discuss the Trinity in regard to Mormonism without first focusing upon the primary issue. Is there only one true and eternal God? Are we gods in embryo or creatures of the Almighty and Eternal Creator?”
————————————————————————————————————————————-The websites below back up Mr. White’s book but some do not use chapter verse. Please read Mr. White’s book “Is Mormon My Brother?” to get the chapter/verse citing Mormon written views versus Christian written views for each of the various subject statements below
http://www.irr.org/ mit/ Is-Mormonism-Christian.html
EXCELLENT WEBSITE
1. IS THERE MORE THAN ONE TRUE GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that there is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21,22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
2. WAS GOD ONCE A MAN LIKE US?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that God is Spirit (John 4:24; 1 Timothy 6:15,16), He is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22, 23), and has always (eternally) existed as God ¡X all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present (Psalm 90:2; 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:28; Luke 1:37).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577).
3. ARE JESUS AND SATAN SPIRIT BROTHERS?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Jesus is the unique Son of God; he has always existed as God, and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father (John 1:1, 14; 10:30; 14:9; Colossians 2:9). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father (John 17:4, 5; Philippians 2:6-11) and was made flesh for our salvation; His incarnation was accomplished through being conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34-35).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother; He was later conceived physically through intercourse between Heavenly Father and the virgin Mary (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 129; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547; 742). Mormon doctrine affirms that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
4. IS GOD A TRINITY?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are not separate Gods or separate beings, but are distinct Persons within the one Triune Godhead. Throughout the New Testament the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as the Father are separately identified as and act as God (Son: Mark 2:5-12; John 20:28; Philippians 2:10,11; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3,4; 2 Corinthians 3:17,18; 13:14); yet at the same time the Bible teaches that these three are only one God (see point 1).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649)
5. WAS THE SIN OF ADAM AND EVE A GREAT EVIL OR A GREAT BLESSING?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the disobedience of our first parents Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus we are born with a sinful nature, and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals. (Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 5:12-21).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Adam¡¦s sin was “a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us” (Gospel Principles, p. 33; Book of Mormon ¡X 2 Nephi 2:25; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 114-115).
6. CAN WE MAKE OURSELVES WORTHY BEFORE GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross we are spiritually “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1,5) and are powerless to save ourselves. By grace alone, apart from self-righteous works, God forgives our sins and makes us worthy to live in His presence (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5-6). Our part is only to cling to Christ in heartfelt faith. (However, it is certainly true that without the evidence of changed conduct, a person¡¦s testimony of faith in Christ must be questioned; salvation by grace alone through faith, does not mean we can live as we please ¡X Romans 6:1-4).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms “exaltation in the celestial kingdom”) must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the “celestial kingdom”) ¡X Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price ¡X Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon ¡X 2 Nephi 25:23).
7. DOES CHRIST’S ATONING DEATH BENEFIT THOSE WHO REJECT HIM?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the purpose of the atoning work of Christ on the cross was to provide the complete solution for humankind¡¦s sin problem. However, those who reject God¡¦s grace in this life will have no part in this salvation but are under the judgment of God for eternity (John 3:36; Hebrews 9:27; 1 John 5:11-12).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ¡¦s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).
8. IS THE BIBLE THE UNIQUE AND FINAL WORD OF GOD?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the Bible is the unique, final and infallible Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:1,2; 2 Peter 1:21) and that it will stand forever (1 Peter 1:23-25). God¡¦s providential preservation of the text of the Bible was marvelously illustrated in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the Bible has been corrupted, is missing many “plain and precious parts” and does not contain the fullness of the Gospel (Book of Mormon ¡X 1 Nephi 13:26-29; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 190-191).
9. DID THE EARLY CHURCH FALL INTO TOTAL APOSTASY?
The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the true Church was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth (Matthew 16:18; John 15:16; 17:11). Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the Church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there was a great and total apostasy of the Church as established by Jesus Christ; this state of apostasy “still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel” of the Mormon Church (Gospel Principles, pp. 105-106; Mormon Doctrine, p. 44).
Conclusion: The above points in italics constitute the common gospel believed by all orthodox Christians through the ages regardless of denominational labels. On the other hand, some new religions such as Mormonism claim to be Christian, but accept as Scripture writings outside of the Bible, teach doctrines that contradict the Bible, and hold to beliefs completely foreign to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
Mormons share with orthodox Christians some important moral precepts from the Bible. However, the above points are examples of the many fundamental and irreconcilable differences between historic, biblical Christianity and Mormonism. While these differences do not keep us from being friendly with Mormons, we cannot consider them brothers and sisters in Christ. The Bible specifically warns of false prophets who will teach “another gospel” centered around “another Jesus,” and witnessed to by “another spirit” (2 Corinthians 11:4,13-15; Galatians 1:6-9). Based on the evidence presented above, we believe Mormonism represents just such a counterfeit gospel.
It has been pointed out that if one claimed to be a Mormon but denied all the basic tenets of Mormonism ¡X that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and divinely inspired, that god was once a man who progressed to godhood through keeping the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church, and that the Mormon Church was divinely established ¡X the Mormon Church would reject such a person¡¦s claim to being a Latter-day Saint. One cannot fairly call oneself a Mormon if one does not believe the fundamental doctrines taught by the Mormon Church. By the same token, if the Mormon Church does not hold to even the basic biblical truths believed by the greater Christian community down through the ages, how can Christians reasonably be expected to accept Mormonism as authentic Christianity?
If the Mormon Church believes it is the only true Christian Church, it should not attempt to publicly present itself as a part of a broader Christian community. Instead it should tell the world openly that those who claim to be orthodox Christians are not really Christians at all, and that the Mormon Church is the only true Christian Church. This in fact is what it teaches privately, but not publicly.
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http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_christian.htm
Mormon theology teaches that god is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has eternally been God (Psalm 90:2) — which means he was never a man on another planet.
Why is Mormonism a non Christian religion? It is not Christian because it denies that there is only one God, denies the true Gospel, adds works to salvation, denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator, distorts the biblical teaching of the atonement, and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.
CARM does not deny that Mormons are good people, that they worship “a” god, that they share common words with Christians, that they help their people, and that they do many good things. But that isn’t what makes someone Christian. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, ” Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (NKJV). Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus — not the brother of the devil, not the god of Mormonism, not the gospel of Mormonism. Mormonism is false and cannot save anyone.
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‘http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/mormonism.html
1. Is the Mormon church a Christian denomination?’ NO. Mormonism is not Christian because it denies some of the essential doctrines of Christianity, including: 1) the deity of Christ, 2) salvation by grace, and 3) the bodily resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible. The evidence for these statements is documented in section 3 below.
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_____________________________________________________________________________________________Statements of 5 Christian Denominations on Mormonism
Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.
„h Statement of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod
„h Statement of the Presbyterian Church (USA)
„h Statement of the Roman Catholic Church
„h Statement of the Southern Baptist Convention
„h Statement of the United Methodist Church
These differences in what Mormon’s believe versus what Christian’s believe should be known BEFORE the republican nomination and before the presidential elections because if Romney gets the nomination, do you believe for a minute, these differences won’t surface. It is not enough to believe in Jesus Christ and the bible. To be a Christian you need only ONE BOOK and ONE UNCHANGING GOD. Mormons updated the bible with their Book of Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon and believe God changes as he is involved in the same exaltation process as a normal man is on earth and indeed He was a normal man on earth (or some other planet as their are many) at one time. Think of exaltation as a ladder. Improving and getting better even God until you are a god just as God was once a mortal man.
April 6th, 2008 at 12:56 amI would LOVE to refute every false, half-truths that you hateful “Christians” have put on here, but I don’t think you would listen. It is funny that your paid preachers (paid ministry is condemned in the Bible, by the way) will tell you lies about the Mormon Church. Why? Because some 19 year old boy missionaries are taking away their paychecks . . . I mean congregation. That must tell you something. Their paycheck is their motivation for one. And there must be a lot of truth for a 19 year old boy to be able to convert intelligent people for another.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:45 pmBarbara, your LONG list was laughable and full of derision. You put in claims about what my LDS Church teaches that were not all the way truthful. Let me prove you wrong scripturally:
I don’t understand why you won’t accept revelation from God. When did He cease speaking to us? When did He cease loving us? When did we cease needing to hear from Him? Why do we pray and communicate to God if He doesn’t talk back? John 21:25 tells us that if all the words of Christ were written that the world itself could no contain what should be written. That is a lot of SCRIPTURE; a lot more than the present Bible. I don’t believe an all powerful Being would limit Himself to just one book when there is so much more He wants to say to us.
You also claim the Bible says the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one Being. That is NOT supported in the Bible. The idea of the Trinity was not DEVELOPED until the Niceen Creed in 325AD. It was a VOTE! A vote ratified by some that didn’t even believe in the divinity of Christ. They just wanted order. How can you vote on doctrine and eternal truth?! Unbelievable!
Your scripture of Deuteronomy 6:4 does not say They are all one God. This is Moses proclaiming to an apostate people that went after the idols of the land and people they were with that there is only one true God, that He is who they must worship and rely on. A similar, but less poignant version of The Sermon on the Mount was then given.
John 8:12-18 records Jesus Christ bearing testimony of His Divinity. The Pharisees condemn Him for testifying of who He really is and say He is blaspheming. He says His record of Himself is true and that He is not alone in bearing record. He then states Jewish law of testimonies; that there must be more than one bearer. Look at this: John 8:16 “And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true. 18 I am ONE that bear witness of myself, AND the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” That’s interesting that Christ just mentioned TWO people there.
Look at these scriptures as well: John 8:28 Christ tells that does nothing of Himself, but what He seeth His Father do.
The Great Intercessory Prayer in John 17 where Christ pleads WITH THE FATHER that His Apostles may be One in purpose as They are one in purpose. If The Father and Son are really the same Being, would He really pray to Himself? Would He really want His Apostles to morph into one conglomerate Being? That is ridiculous!
Or this: John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom THOU hast sent.”
About the Gods. C.S. Lewis basically said we are Gods in training when he said that He, “did not create humans-He did not become one of them and die among them by torture-in order to produce candidates for Limbo, ‘failed’ humans. He wanted to make Saints; gods; things like Himself.” -Lewis, Quotable Lewis, 308.
What about the scriptures that tell us to be Perfect like God? Genesis 17:1, Matt 5:48.
In John 10:34 Christ quotes Himself from Psalm 82:6 in saying, “Ye are gods.” The Jews, like YOURSELVES, thought that was blashemy. Interesting!
Acts 17:28 and Romans 8:16-17 tell us we are children of God and JOINT HEIRS WITH HIM.
Revelation 21:7 tells us we will inherit ALL THINGS. He shall be our “God, and he shall be my son.”
Paul in writing to the Saints at Philippi wrote, “I press toward the mark for the HIGH PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS.” Philippians 3:14 He then invites others, “Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded.” :15.
Peter adds his testimony that we “might be partakers of the divine nature.” II Peter 1:4.
We glorify God when we are as He is.
What does the sacrifice of Christ do for us if we remain in our sinful state? Romans 3:23. NOTHING. Then His suffering is in vain and was for nothing. But, I know His atoning sacrifice WAS, IS, and WILL BE for something.
God is the greatest gift giver and I believe there is no other gift greater that He can give us then to live the life He lives; to be as He is. To have eternal life. Matt 7:11 says, “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?”
Apostles and Prophets:
Amos 3:7 says the Lord will not reveal anything unless He first reveals it to His servants, the Prophets. We need a Prophet.
Apostolos is the Greek word for Apostle. It means, One who is sent. Romans 10:9-21 tells that we must confess Jesus is the Lord and we can be saved. But then he says that we cannot be saved unless we first really believe. How can we believe unless we first hear? How can we hear unless we are preached to? How can there be a preacher unless he is SENT? One who is sent. Sent by whom? It must be by the Lord. You cannot call yourself to a high and holy calling. Hebrews 5:4 says “And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.”
Ephesians 4:11-14 tells us that God gave Prophets, Apostles, and others for the perfecting of the saints and so we aren’t tossed about by doctrines. I’d say especially by ones that teach half-truths about others so they can keep a pay check. Ephesians 2:19-20 tells us that the Church must be built on a foundation of, “apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.” Apostles and Prophets called of God, might I add.
Try what Gamaliel said in Acts 5:34-39 when he said to refrain from these men. If it is of the devil, it will fall. If it is of God, it will prosper and you will be fighting against God. How can you fight against a Church that does more humanitary work than any other? That teaches love?
The Bible speaks of a Restoration of truths that was lost when the Apostles were killed. Ephesians 1:10 speaks of a gathering of all things in the last days. Is that not our day today?
II Thessalonians 2:1-3 tells that the Second Coming will not occur unless there is a falling away first.
Revelations 14:6 tells us that John saw another angel flying in the midst of Heaven having the, “everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.” This is a vision of the last days. Why would John see an angel preaching the Gospel in the earth if it were here from when the Lord brought it anciently? Because it was lost through apostasy.
Isaiah 11:11 tells that there will be a second gathering by the Lord’s hand to gather the 12 tribes. The LDS Church is a restored Church of Christ’s original teaching with all its power and authority. It is the only one gathering His tribes together. There is revelation again! There is authority again! I would think an honest seeker of truth would embrace this.
Do you really think spreading hate is Christ-like? Is it really loving to talk about people’s underwear? That is perverse and immoral.
We may be in the minority on some points of doctrine, but so was the Lord Jesus Christ. I know He is my Savior and my King.