Global Warming Denier Group Set To Recycle Attacks on Al Gore
Global Warming Denier Group Set To Recycle Attacks on Al Gore
Tomorrow, the ultra conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) will launch a new round of television ads attacking former Vice President Al Gore for his leadership on climate change. The right-wing Washington Times gleefully reported on CEI’s ad buy on Saturday:
Al Gore’s opulent lifestyle and his virtuous plea to save the planet from global warming don’t mesh, according to the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), which announced plans yesterday for a new national advertising campaign to showcase the contrast before the American public.
In fact, Al Gore has worked diligently to reduce his own carbon impact. After a thorough renovation of his house — complete with a fight to obtain zoning permission for solar panels — Gore has one of the first 14 homes in the United States to receive the LEED gold certification for efficiency and green practices. The renovations “cut the home’s summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago.”
CEI’s campaign simply recycles old partisan smears. According to the Times, CEI is relying on “research released last year by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research,” a conservative group founded by Drew Johnson, who previously worked for the right-wing National Taxpayers Foundation and interned for the Exxon-funded American Enterprise Institute.
CEI is hardly a neutral player either:
– The Washington Monthly reported, “The Competitive Enterprise Institute has been a particularly aggressive advocate of the notion that global warming is a ‘theory not a fact.’” [LINK]
– CEI “adjunct analyst” Donald Boudreaux said in 2006: “the best policy regarding global warming is to neglect it – and let capitalism continue to make us healthier and wealthier.” [LINK]
– CEI has received more than $2 million from ExxonMobil since 1998. [LINK]
– CEI’s global-warming denying position is so radical that last year, ExxonMobil announced it had ceased funding CEI, in an effort to improve its corporate image. [LINK]
– CEI belongs to the State Policy Network, a “voluntary and by invitation-only” coalition of free-market think tanks that includes both the Tennessee Center for Policy Research and the Heartland Institute, which ran last week’s global warming denial conference. [LINK, LINK]
This is not the first time CEI has tried to distract attention from global warming science in order to attack Gore. Last year, it produced two ads asserting the virtues of carbon dioxide. The ad campaign had the Orwellian title, “They call it pollution. We call it life.”
UPDATE: Desmog blog notes that CEI is trying to fundraise off its Gore campaign.
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Oil just hit $107.92 a barrel
http://oil-price.net/
now for Gores alternatives
March 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pmI’d have to think this is becoming a speculative bubble.
Ugly… ugly… ugly…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pmThis thread may not contain enough sex to get much response among us here at the moment with waiting on the N.Y. Gov to speak and all. However, I do believe that global warming is directly related to same.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmOT, but since there is a ban on Hillary Rove Clinton postings on TP, I thought I would bring it up.
Hillary is continuing to talk about Obama as “Vice President” material even though she doesn’t think he has passed the “threshhold” on National Security. Obama has a great comeback by saying “Hillary Clinton is undoubtedly the first person in the history of politics who was in second place and talked about the first place candidate as a vice president”. He has also, again, asked exactly what her credentials are to have passed the national security threshold.
What Hillary Rove Clinton is doing is trying to imbued the public on the concept of Obama only being qualified to be Vice President, if that. She is also trying to give the public the image that she is the front runner by offering Obama the Vice President spot. In fact Hillary Rove Clinton HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of ever offering Obama the spot on the ticket as VP. This is just all more Rovian tactics from someone who is losing and doesn’t know how to lose gracefully.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmWell at least they’re in favor of recycling something!
March 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pmI wish more regular Americans fully inderstood how stupid Righties assume they are. If they could appreciate the depth of the insults Righty heaps on them, we’d have a secure, prosperous and peaceful future to look forward to.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pmThey probably blame mail carriers for junk mail as well.
I don’t care if the John Rockefeller exhumed himself and called for a reduced dependence on oil to address environmental issues, I’d still agree.
Gore’s no saint, though the changes are great, but the message is still valid. We need a societal change. Just anecdotal, but if you are at a good crossroads in an affluent city and can observe the traffic, I would bet you’ll find many SUVs with just the driver, making some sort of power statement. Not three or four kids, just them commuting, even in the summer. That’s absurd.
We can’t increase the use of oil each year by 3% or anything over 0% and sustain that.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pmPope lists pollution as a sin.
“In recent months, Pope Benedict has made several strong appeals for the protection of the environment, saying issues such as climate change had become gravely important for the entire human race.”
Damn, even God thinks climate change is a problem.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pmGravity is a theory, not a fact!
March 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pmWhen your main argument is ‘fact free’, ATTACK THE MESSENGER!
March 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pmwho’s side are you on, TP?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pmyou couldn’t find a WORSE picture of al? … i’m sure they’re out there…
gaaa… sorry, al…
Apparently these idiots want to wait until the earth is in peril and then try to act. They remind me of the “earth is flat” crowd who never believe it was round. Where to do get such intelligent people to act so stupidly? I saw a documentary on PBS and it was enough to convence to that we’d better stop what we are doing before it’s too late. The story talked about wars being fought over water and drought all over the world.
One only has to look at what is happening right here in America to see that there is something going on. Even the great lakes are drying up and local reporters have verified it by before and after pictures of docks on peoples personal property that no longer exist because the water doesn’t come up to the same place it did before. This has happened all over the State of Michigan along the Great Lakes. If those idiots want proof all they’ve got to do is come to Michigan. I also know personally that it’s true because boating marinas are also drying up all over the lakes as well.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pmFrom today’s American Thinker:
When True Believers begin to harbor doubts, they don’t immediately give up the faith. It’s too scary; too much pride and money has been invested; too many jobs and reputations are on the line; and they need to find a new reason to live. So they always try to add on new wrinkles and qualifications to their crumbling story……
March 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pmhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_epicycles_of_global_warmin.html
14 – describes the crisis conservatives are facing to a “T”.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:55 pmFrom today’s American Thinker:
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 10, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Thanks for the injection of moronic wankery into this thread. I needed a laugh.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pmTHIS is the best they can do? They have finally given up trying to disprove the scientific evidence so now they are attacking the messenger? And with old talking points at that?
Pathetic.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:57 pmSo they’re using the same old premises that have been debunked a thousand times over? Rocket Scientists they’re not. What makes it even more laughable is that their timing is impeccable. As they dust off their tired old falsehoods, new information comes to light. (Egad, the truth does have a liberal bias.)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23552526/wid=18298287
March 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pmOne trick is all that pony does
-Paul Hussein Simon
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmThanks for the injection of moronic wankery into this thread.
Comment by toasterhead
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Oh, don’t be so modest…all you regular TPers add plenty of
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmmoronic wankery into every thread.
Sorry, Chuckie, yer gonna hafta do better than The American thinker here…
February 03, 2004
GWB: HBS MBA
By Thomas Lifson
President George W. Bush is the very first President to hold a Masters Degree in Business Administration. Even better (or worse, depending on your perspective), his MBA is from Harvard Business School, where postgraduate management training was invented in the early part of the last century, and which to many stands as a symbol of the good, the bad, and the ugly faces of modern management. Harvard MBAs indisputably lead more major corporations, receive higher starting salaries fresh out of school, and carry with them more �lan and glamour than the graduates of any rival business schools — facts which do not necessarily lead to admiration and love.
The comparatively small amount of attention paid by the political press to the President’s Harvard MBA partially reflects a generalized ignorance of, and hostility toward, the degree itself. More importantly, acknowledging that he learned any valuable intellectual perspectives would contradict the storyline that young W was a party animal, who coasted through his elite education, scarcely cracking a book. In other words, as the left never tires of claiming, he is too ’stupid’ to have picked up any tricks across the Charles River from Harvard Square.
This is patently incorrect. Having attended Harvard Business School at the same time as the President, graduating from the two—year program a year after he did, and then serving on its faculty after a year’s interval spent writing a PhD thesis, I am intimately familiar with the rigors of the program at the time, and the minuscule degree of slack cut for even the most well—connected students, when their performance did not make the grade.
There is simply no way on earth that the son of the then—Ambassador to China (technically, head of the Beijing Liaison Office), or anyone else, could have coasted through Harvard Business School with a ‘gentleman’s C.’ I never, ever heard of a case of an incompetent student being allowed to graduate, simply because a certain family was prominent. On the contrary, I did hear stories of well—born students having to leave prior to graduation. The academic standards were a point of considerable pride.
Only time will tell, whether Saddam ever had any WMDs. Their non—existence has not been proven. Only time will tell whether or not Osama bin Laden (or his corpse) will be taken into custody by American Troops. Only time will tell whether or not Iraq will continue to make progress toward a transition toward a peaceful democratic government. George W. Bush knows much more information about these topics than his domestic political opponents do. At the moment, they are betting a lot of their chips on one side of these questions.
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March 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pmWe will see by November who has the winning hand.
When True Believers begin to harbor doubts, they don’t immediately give up the faith. It’s too scary; too much pride and money has been invested; too many jobs and reputations are on the line; and they need to find a new reason to live. So they always try to add on new wrinkles and qualifications to their crumbling story……
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 10, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Sounds like the reason why Bush still has a 30% approval rating!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm24 – just as much as it takes to make you a fine tinfoil hat, mr. golly.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:03 pmOh, don’t be so modest…all you regular TPers add plenty of
moronic wankery into every thread.
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 10, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
EGADS!
The rapier wit of Sir Napier hath killed me! I am cut to the bone with the deftness of his ingenious deflection! It would appear that, he be made of bouncier stuff than I — akin to rubber – whereas I seemeth to be composed of glue. He hath bounced mine own words off of he, and they sticketh to me.
Alas.
Lo, I am slain.
Et tu, Charles James Napier?
Then fall Hussein Toasterhead.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmComment by toasterhead — March 10, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Oooooo… Snarkspeare, no? I LIKE it!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pmWhen I was a kid, one of my favorite comic heroes was Superman. I’m not so sure what his origin is nowadays, because I understand he’s been re-invented a few times, but I do remember his origin during the Silver Age of comics.
His father, Jor-El, was a noted scientist on Krypton (Superman’s home planet) who discovered a radioactive chain reaction in the planet’s core that would eventually cause the planet to become unstable to the point it would literally explode. He sounded the alarm to anyone who would listen — that doing nothing meant death, but by working to enhance their existing technology, and building enough rocketships, they could relocate the population before doom struck.
Nobody believed him. Until it was too late to do anything. Of course, Jor-El DID manage to get his infant son into a small rocketship and off the planet just before it exploded…(and everybody knows how that worked out).
I never thought I would see in my lifetime a reality that would parallel this bit of fiction so closely. Except we still have a chance to save THIS planet — no rocketship building required.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pmWeather Channel founder advocates suing Al Gore to expose ‘the fraud of global warming.’…
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmso now he’s desperately trying to get attention by talking about the end of the world.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
So, uh… truck out the Oscar and Nobel to back up yer “expertise”…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmExxon cut off CEI’s welfare check so now it needs to beg funds from the knuckle draggers by flogging the Al Gore bogeyman. Normally it is sad to see an organization outlive it usefulness but these clowns were never anything more than an unconvincing front for the oil industry so no big loss.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmoooohhhh – that frank really hates him some al gore.
al gore, that dick that lied us into a war and spent us into 9 trillion in debt, damn him!!!
what a maroon, that Mr. M.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pmCEI & AEI – ‘Our mission is to cover up truth with rhetoric. Given that Truth has a liberal bias, we submit that lying is the ‘Right’ thing to do’
March 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pmComment by toasterhead — March 10
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Heh…
Your so sexy when you speak Elizabethan.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pmAs if to prove the point, seems nothing brings out the trolls like a good Al Gore reference.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pmJust once, I’d like to see the global warming deniers present facts that haven’t been paid for by Big Oil.
Oh wait…that’s because there aren’t any!!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pmWhat are “FOSSILE” fuels???
March 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pmNobody believed him. Until it was too late to do anything. Of course, Jor-El DID manage to get his infant son into a small rocketship and off the planet just before it exploded…(and everybody knows how that worked out).
Comment by missmolly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
But don’t forget – Jor-El also lacked the foresight to imprison General Zod and his partners-in-crime in an LP cover that was impervious to hydrogen bomb blasts before sending it travelling towards a yellow sun.
What was Jor-El thinking? If he was so smart, “Joracle” would’ve known that a yellow sun would give Zod super powers equal to his son’s.
Jor-El also led an extremely opulent lifestyle. Don’t you think he should have led by example?
And don’t even get me STARTED about his son’s destruction of the polar ice caps with the Fortress of Solitude.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pmOf course he’s going to get this kind of rewards from fellow alarmists who’d like us to tear down our economy.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Hmmm… kind of a “non-reply”… and how does this establish yer **cough** “credentials”?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pmAs if to prove the point, seems nothing brings out the trolls like a good Al Gore reference.
Comment by paleolib — March 10, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Like maggots, they always hatch out with a Gore thread, especially a climate change Gore thread. All of their “rebuttals” are linked to discredited or ancient links. It’s getting to be ever more difficult to lump it under the Dirty Liberals, especially when the Southern Baptists are getting on board.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pmOur children will be living in caves and dying of ear infections. You really want that? The downfall of modern society WHICH IS TOTALLY RELIANT ON FOSSILE FUELS!
Comment by Frank M
LOL Good one, Frank…… ear infections…. LOL
Maybe you should go have yours looked at, I heard they can bore through into the brain…..
March 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pmIf Gore gets his way, 9 billion and the casualties in Iraq will be chump change. Our children will be living in caves and dying of ear infections. You really want that? The downfall of modern society WHICH IS TOTALLY RELIANT ON FOSSILE FUELS!
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
And if Exxon/Mobil gets its way – i.e. keeping modern society totally reliant on fossile [sic] fuels, the casualties in Iraq will be nothing compared to the massive land and resource wars that will break out as aquifers dry up, arable land desertifies, tropical diseases migrate, and oceans swallow up low-lying areas.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pmI wonder what the first Warren Brookes Fellow in Environmental Journalism at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), Ronald Bailey has to say about this.
He had written books about the bad science behind the global warming issue but in ‘05 became a believer in the developing empirical data.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/36811.html
If it’s just about Gore’s hypocrisy then it’s more of the “If you’re against global warming then why do you fly in planes to global warming conferences overseas.”
March 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pmMaybe you should go have yours looked at, I heard they can bore through into the brain…..
Comment by Nevar — March 10, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
Into the what? Frank’s what?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pmAnd here’s Bailey’s article from 2005 entitled, “We’re All Global Warmers Now.”
March 10th, 2008 at 3:21 pmhttp://www.reason.com/news/show/34079.html
When True Believers begin to harbor doubts, they don’t immediately give up the faith. It’s too scary; too much pride and money has been invested; too many jobs and reputations are on the line; and they need to find a new reason to live. So they always try to add on new wrinkles and qualifications to their crumbling story……
we know… it’s scary claiming to be “republican”…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:22 pmbut it’s ok… plenty of room for diversity and opinions under
the democratic party tent… we’ll take care of you too…
well, if only the obstructionist repugs would allow… but we keep tryin’!
The downfall of modern society WHICH IS TOTALLY RELIANT ON FOSSILE FUELS!
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
I’m sorry, which side of the debate did you say was made up of the “alarmists?”
March 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm39 – is that supposed to mean the same thing as “totally reliant on wasting fossil fuels”?
nice conflation there – nice use of the classic “strawunicorn”, without which arrogant twits like you would be dead in the water.
get out. stay out.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pmWhy don’t these scientists that have indisputable facts that man is warming the earth just come up with something to cool the earth? If DDT destroys ozone, there must be something that destroys CO2.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
They did, its called fewer greenhouse gases.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pmtone deaf and color blind, the reactionary regressive right insists on continuing its “march toward oblivion”
what a sad bunch of twisted monkeys these righties have made of themselves.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pmThe BIG STORY, the challenge of our lifetimes is in the Washington Post TODAY.
Carbon Output Must Near Zero To Avert Danger, New Studies Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/09/AR2008030901867.html?nav=rss_email/components
** Does everybody understand? ZERO. We must cut carbon output to zero immediately, TODAY, to avert catastrophic climate change. Al Gore is NOT the story. WE are the story. Read the article and bookmark it. Get everyone you know to read it.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pmBy talk to, you mean call trolls and belittle anyone who doesn’t dance to your piper?
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
If DDT destroys ozone, there must be something that destroys CO2.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
DDT destroy ozone? WTF???
Comments this inane deserve to be labled as such.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pm54 – now, if we could only change the real world into a cartoon world, we could turn on your giant window fan and , presto!, problem solved, right?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWhy don’t these scientists that have indisputable facts that man is warming the earth just come up with something to cool the earth? If DDT destroys ozone, there must be something that destroys CO2.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
Ah yes – the magic bullet solution. Instead of eating less and exercising, let’s just find a magic pill that’ll wipe away your body fat. Instead of quitting smoking, let’s just find a magic potion that will stop you from getting lung cancer. So let’s just dump iron filings into the ocean or seed the clouds or do something to stop global warming!
Why didn’t someone think about this before????
March 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pmthere must be something that destroys CO2.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
They’re called trees- and I support more of them…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pmotherwise you’re hypocrits.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
Please feel free to lead by example!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pmMemo to CEI: While it’s refreshing to see you getting into the spirit of things, this isn’t quite what is meant by “recycling garbage”.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pmWeather Channel founder advocates suing Al Gore to expose ‘the fraud of global warming.’…
http://www.businessandmedia.org/ articles/ 2008/ 20080303175301.aspx
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 10, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Although the lawsuit angle is new, this is just more hot air from John Coleman, who has already been discredited as not being qualified to make scientific pronouncements about the climate.
Gore isn’t a scientist, either. But he uses material from climatologists to make his points. John Coleman doesn’t — he just says that global warming is a crock and we are supposed to believe him because he founded The Weather Channel.
Even The Weather Channel, which he founded, has dissed him — they have taken the position that global warming is real and a concern.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pmfor creative solutions to be developed there must be r&d funding and support, and in civilized countries where those solutions are being developed, the Government plays a crucial role.
righties don’t like that, so we don’t have that. because we can’t do anything that makes righties pitch hissies.
if you want to see solutions in action, you’ll have to get permission from your government (congrats on the “freedom”) to go to Iceland, or Norway, or Sweden, or Germany, or Japan, and see how the real “leaders in technolgy innovation” do it.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pmYour cartoon world has us heating up an entire planet….just as silly
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
No it doesn’t. YOUR cartoon world has us heating up an entire planet. Our world of scientific evidence has us changing the climate, which means warming in some places, cooling in others, and disruption of weather cycles pretty much everywhere.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:33 pmNow I know what Eratosthenes went through when he said the Earth was round…..
March 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmsorry things can’t be simple enough for you jason. i know you righties love you some simplicity, but the world doesn’t always leave it that way for us.
my 9-year-old has the same problem.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmWeather Channel founder advocates suing Al Gore to expose ‘the fraud of global warming.’…
Comment by Charles James Napier — March 10, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
I expect this to turn out just as well as the Scopes Monkey Trial.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmComment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Wow.. pretzel logic…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm72 – “the rapture” is your side’s baby, bro.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pm77 – no doubt – nothing gets them to ranting like old Al. It’s quite a phenomenon.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pmYou really want that? The downfall of modern society WHICH IS TOTALLY RELIANT ON FOSSILE FUELS!
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Of course not. That’s why we should do what we can do wean ourselves away from our reliance on fossil fuels.
Of course, the oil companies can’t have that — not while there is still money to be made from petroleum. Therefore, they are going to fight tooth and nail to convince everyone they can that global warming is a hoax. When the last drop of oil is gone, THEN they will concern themselves with the problem — but by then it will be too late.
How is it that you got suckered into that mindset, Frank?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pmGlobal socialism will not resolve “climate change.†It will only hinder free people.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pmGlobal socialism will not resolve “climate change.†It will only hinder free people.
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
OOooo – I heard they were giving out this talking point at the Heartland Institute conference, but this is the first time I’ve seen it in use.
So, VA Voter – how’d it feel to pop your Global Socialism cherry?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pmThis isn’t about ’saving the planet’, this is about Evil Oil. That is why EVERY lib argument rolls back around to EXXON.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
And they forget evil GE. How much do they spend to get the government to force the mercury filled light bulb on people.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pmThis isn’t about ’saving the planet’, this is about Evil Oil. That is why EVERY lib argument rolls back around to EXXON.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Yes, because every climate change skeptic argument seems to receive some funding from Exxon.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pmNot sure if it is because the admire China’s communism or if it is just because of blind rage at the corporate man.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
There’s communism in China? Where?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pmComment by toasterhead — March 10, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
I understand that you can’t think for yourself and need TP and other blogs for your ideas but I have no such limitation.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pm$10/gal gasoline’s gonna “hinder your freedom”, and so is the TSA. both are something you could do something about, but won’t.
too many people are way too tired of making national decisions based on what sends righties into fits.
we’re tired of avoiding your inevitable hysterics by not pushing for what we know is right.
if you’re not going to take the lead and do the right things, kindly get the hell out of the way so we can get civilization moving forward again.
it’s embarrassing to be at the bottom of the list in every important quality of life category when compared to other 1st world nations.
your lack of a conscience or sense of humility are the death-knell of the american dream, and you’re too hysterical to recognize it.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pmThe Kyoto Protocol that the lefties soil themselves over gives China free reign to pollute as much as they like.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
One of many problems we have with Kyoto. And thanks to the U.S. refusing to sign it, we have no power to try and change it.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pmand if any of you think that hanging around here channeling rush limbaugh is going to accomplish anything besides hardening people against you, i’ve got some florida real estate i’d like you to look into – it’s a steal!! for “the right” buyer.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pmgives China free reign to pollute as much as they like.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
And they will pay for it down the road. You are SO pathetically dishonest.
Perhaps you need more DDT in yer diet.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pmthat’s the only thing mercury is used for?
new one on me – what a treasure-trove of facts you bestow on us jason.
keep digging though – that hole’s really shapin’ up for ya.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:49 pmAnd they forget evil GE. How much do they spend to get the government to force the mercury filled light bulb on people.
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Awww, did those jack-booted thugs from the EPA come to your house and change your light bulbs? You must be traumatized by the savings in your electric bill!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:49 pmOne of many problems we have with Kyoto. And thanks to the U.S. refusing to sign it, we have no power to try and change it.
Comment by toasterhead — March 10, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
How does tying you hands behind your back give you power?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pm97 – we wouldn’t want all you righties up-in-arms ’cause your chinese credit card had been suspended, and you couldn’t afford to have brown people murdered somewhere.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmAlso, it is perfectly ok to poison people with mercury if it will save the planet. End justifies the means.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Well, according to the good folks who engage in mountaintop coal mining and want to put up endless numbers of coal burning power plants sans pollution controls, it is. There are already too many places in this country where pregnant women are warned not to eat the fish due to the levels of mercury in them.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmSo…we should SIGN the Kyoto, THEN try to change it….brilliant.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Yes. That’s how international agreements work.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pmthis would be typical cult of republicanism MO whereby since they can’t win an arguement on the merrits they instead do character assassination and smearing of persons associated with the oppposing view, even though the messager and the message have nothing to do with each other.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pm.
Awww, did those jack-booted thugs from the EPA come to your house and change your light bulbs? You must be traumatized by the savings in your electric bill!
Comment by toasterhead — March 10, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
Why is it ok to hate exxon for producing and marking a product in the free market but not ok to dislike GE for trying to force the Mercury lights on people. See if the government forces you do buy something that’s not the free market.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pmIt must be the warm weather… the trolls are bubbling out of the muck like methane today…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pmthis would be typical cult of republicanism MO whereby since they can’t win an arguement on the merrits they instead do character assassination and smearing of persons associated with the oppposing view, even though the messager and the message have nothing to do with each other.
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Comment by pluege — March 10, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
That’s what you guys do all day. Every other post on this site is a personal attack on someone that is not a full blown lefty.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pmVA – is that the only example you’re aware of of the industrial use of mercury? if so, you’ve got ever so much to learn before you can hope to hold your own in here with the smart people.
you embarrass yourself. really embarrass.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pmSo when you sign something, you’re not REALLY agreeing to it. You’re just agreeing to discuss it… I like your foreign policy
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
It’s how agreements work in countries like China and India, two that are well on their way to becoming the worst carbon emitters in the world. It’s a basic cultural difference between the East and the West.
Treaties like Kyoto are not much more than interim agreements, and they’re completely worthless without U.S. participation.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pmIt must be the warm weather… the trolls are bubbling out of the muck like methane today…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Don’t you mean all the record cold in the country?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pmWhy is it ok to hate exxon for producing and marking a product in the free market but not ok to dislike GE for trying to force the Mercury lights on people. See if the government forces you do buy something that’s not the free market.
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
When were you forced to buy compact flourescent bulbs?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pmhoo-wee, i’m starting to get dizzy from the fumes. i’ll pop back in once the shortbus to Rightyville has departed.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pm(maybe they’re interns at one of the energy companies or righty stink tanks. they’re trying to impress their uncles so they can get real do-nothing-parasite jobs after graduation)
March 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pmI’m here to announce that I have no plans on listening to anything the CEI has to say or write about.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pmDon’t you mean all the record cold in the country?
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
You realize this is not a valid argument, don’t you?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:00 pmI’m here to announce that I have no plans on listening to anything the CEI has to say or write about.
Comment by IgnoranceIsNotBliss — March 10, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
You wouldn’t listen to anyone that does not agree with you. Or what TP has told you to believe today.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:02 pmdittoheads – haven’t seen you post one thing that didn’t come straight from rush limbaugh’s ignorant mouth.
good thing you didn’t sign up for the debate team or try to be a lawyer.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:05 pmHey righties – there’s a city in Pennsylvania called Lebanon – you think we should be keeping en eye on it? Maybe quarantine it?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:08 pmdude – scientists are already well aware of the climate of the past and the way it’s changed. they call it “collecting and analyzing data”.
must you assume that everyone knows as little about a subject as you?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm21 – Their non—existence has not been proven.
—–
Apparently Harvard Business school does not imbue their PHDs with courses in logic.
You can not prove ‘non-existence’ as you can not prove a negative. You can not even prove that 3 headed carnivorous unicorns don’t exist.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pmI’m just sayin’, Jason – it’s called Lebanon, so it must be a hotbed of terrorists, right? That’s exactly how I see you reaching your conclusions, and so would your Professors if you had any.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThe anthropogenic global warming movement has all the hallmarks of religious dogma. Dissent is not allowed. The “facts” are set in place, just like a certain pre-Copernicus, earth-centric religion. Questioning the accepted dogma makes one an enemy of humanity, worthy of the worst the inquisition can do.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pmThis attitude alone forces me to question the motives of the high priests pushing it. To me, the push toward a global carbon tax alone, reveals the lie for all to see.
Consensus Science, isn’t science at all, it is an appeal to popularity, an error in logical thinking. Think of all the times in history, when the popular view was found to be inaccurate, or just plain wrong. Science requires that we look at all the evidence.
My prediction is, that the “true believers” will, with all likelihood, immediately descend on my post with venomous attacks on my person. That, of course, would only serve to bring my point home, to any reasonable person.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
It must be spring break and the College Repubs are out earning a little money. This one isn’t even trying to make sense.
Flag away, folks.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm135 – like the “theory” of gravity, right?
“high priests”? what can that possibly mean in this context, except that you hate al gore?
a long paragraph and proper grammar don’t constitute a coherent argument, Mr. Anti.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pmWhy is it so inconceivable that the 4.5 Billion year old planet COULD possibly be going through a warming cycle? You libs are soooo linear.
Comment by jason54301
It’s unclear to me what this post implies.
Time, and the changes Earth has gone through, is a linear progression.
Libs DO tend to support the notion of global warming.
Your screen name implies a (reverse) linear progression, except that perhaps you can’t count.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pmMaybe that is your point with this post, that conservatives are non-linear. And have poor math skills.
Tell us something we don’t know.
You wouldn’t listen to anyone that does not agree with you. Or what TP has told you to believe today.
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Considering the fact that you don’t know me, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to your own facts.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pmDon’t you mean all the record cold in the country?
Comment by VA Voter — March 10, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
Uh… it’s quite warm where I am. Perhaps it’s just a little chilly in Mummy’s basement for you. Go put on yer bunny slippers.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pmThe BIG STORY, the challenge of our lifetimes is in the Washington Post TODAY.
Carbon Output Must Near Zero To Avert Danger, New Studies Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2008/ 03/ 09/ AR2008030901867.html?nav=rss_email/ components
** Does everybody understand? ZERO. We must cut carbon output to zero immediately, TODAY, to avert catastrophic climate change. Al Gore is NOT the story. WE are the story. Read the article and bookmark it. Get everyone you know to read it.
***I will continue to post this information until everybody has a chance to see it and read the WP article.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pmsheesh – if the same crowd had gotten its way in Fleming’s day antibiotics wouldn’t exist.
They’d have tried Pasteur for treason for suggesting we do something to combat food-borne illness.
Why is it so hard to accept change and try to improve on things for the future? Is it all really scaring you that much?
Nut up, and face the future with open eyes, a creative mind, and without fear of change.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pmJousting about on a unicorn battling straw men ain’t gonna gitcha nowheres, son.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pmWhy is it so inconceivable that the 4.5 Billion year old planet COULD possibly be going through a warming cycle? You libs are soooo linear.
Comment by jason54301
science backs up the fact that this is not a cycle……cycles like that do not happen in 100 years. just as the earth is truly much more than 6000 years old as science tells us…….your facts come from where?
Ah, the same as the ones you use for all of your arguments….the playbook that repudiates acclaimed scientists around the world…..how can it be that people like george bush with an IQ below 100 could possibly understand the things that Al Gore does? Answer…..they can’t.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pmI see the trolls are attempting to hijack this thread by blaming the world’s ills on the mercury in CFL bulbs.
It’s true that CFL bulbs contain small amounts of mercury, which can be harmful to the environment should bulbs break. But to abandon the effort to reduce greenhouse gases for this reason is like demolishing a house because the roof leaks over the bonus room.
Here’s an article about the mercury problem with these bulbs, what people are trying to do about it, and the benefits of using these bulbs.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198
I have been using these bulbs, and I haven’t had one burn out yet. When I do, I hope that I can find a retailer who can recycle them.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pmNevar, your attempt at tearing me down is naive, weather intentional or not, I’m not sure.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
Jason, your attempt at humor is naive, WHETHER intentional or not, puns are the lowest for of humor…
March 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pmI have been using these bulbs, and I haven’t had one burn out yet. When I do, I hope that I can find a retailer who can recycle them.
Comment by missmolly — March 10, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
IKEA recycles them.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI haven’t received a dime from the ‘masters’.
Comment by jason54301 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
Holy smokes… they’ve got this one working for FREE?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:29 pmHow is it even possible to debate with jason54301? I guess I too could question everything and use the argument “Isn’t it possible that x is the reason?” and then never provide any evidence.
I could say something like isn’t jason54301 a child molester? I have no evidence to prove he ISN’T, so I guess that MUST mean he is.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pmJason,
March 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pmI am not a climate scientist, are you?
You’re not?!?! Then how do you “KNOW” that they are wrong?
Oh, the Weather Channel guy says so? Cool, then we can just ignore the HUGE amount of PEER-REVIEWED science that says that man made climate change is a reality?!? SWEET!
Now if only the guy who founded The Discovery Channel would denounce high oil prices as a “myth” I could go on vacation! YEA!!
jason54301
You seem quite sure that climate change is of no concern. If I am correct could you explain why the US military is presently developing contingencies for the disruptions anticipated. Why insurance companies are planning for rising seas and the flooding of coastal communities as well as increasing severe weather patterns? Why are major industries positioning themselves for resource acquisition in areas which are thought to be ice free in the near future. Are so many people so wrong while some internet nobody is somehow so much wiser the the US military, major multinational corporations and the insurance industry. Does that really seem likely to you?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pmhave been using these bulbs, and I haven’t had one burn out yet. When I do, I hope that I can find a retailer who can recycle them.
Comment by missmolly — March 10, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Whilst CFLs may contain a small amount of mercury, I can’t imagine they will end up contributing as much of said metal to our environment as unfiltered coal burning power plants will, and already have.
Perhaps the trolls haven’t noticed all the warnings about fish consumption. Perhaps the trolls have been eating too many paint chips. That alone would account for the quality of their posts here today.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pmNevar, your attempt at tearing me down is naive, weather intentional or not, I’m not sure. TIME IS LINEAR, true, but temperature is NOT. It IS possible for ONE to be linear, and the other cyclical. But we wouldn’t want to discuss the periods in the planets history of tropical poles or ice ages, we’ll focus on the last 20 years.
Comment by jason54301
Yes, well I polish my naivete daily, and this is one of my favorite forums to do so.
Cyclical patterns are part of the linear progression of Earths history.
It almost sounds as if you are a believer of global warming.
Which, in a broader perspective (and here’s your new concept for the day: Global Climate Change) includes cycles of temperature.
Shall I give you a few moments to digest this?
Oh, and thanks for the “weather” pun!
March 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pmPretty good!
You know how much I love a good pun.
Does that really seem likely to you?
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Out here in CA, PG&E has gotten on that bandwagon big time. Perhaps jason should start emailing the Pres and Board of Directors to let them know they’ve been duped.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pmThe political frothing at the mouth that goes on here, only serves to convince me further, that this isn’t good science. It has been politicized, propagandized, and embedded into the mass media to such and extent that all objectivity is lost.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pmWho can stand against the wave of anger and indignation, when the media constantly stirs up the religious fervor over our imminent, man-made global catastrophe?
Reasonable dialog is no longer possible. …at least not here.
You are citing SCIENCE to support a religion. You can’t claim global warming and ONLY use the statistics to support your claim. But that is what they do, and because is it popularized, it MUST be right. Nevermind any scientist that disagrees commits professional suicide.
Comment by jason54301
You are the only one calling it a religion…….you seem to be the ones worshiping at the troth of capitalism……how’s that working for you? How’s that recession coming?
What prey tell would you use besides scientific statistics to support any scientific theory……how do you think gravity was proven?
Any scientist that disagrees always winds up being on a pollutors payroll……no credibility……they are lying for their masters….lefties call it corruption….what do you guys call it?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pmpuns are the lowest for of humor…
Comment by belac
Oh yeah?
Well nanny nanny poo poo to you too!
;)
Misspelled words aren’t very funny either…
March 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pmIKEA recycles them.
Comment by dim wit — March 10, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Yes — only problem is that the nearest IKEA to North Carolina is just south of Washington DC. The amount of gasoline it would take me to get there and back to recycle a bulb would sort of defeat my original intention of leaving a smaller footprint on the earth.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pmComment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
REALLY? So tell us WHERE “reasonable dialog†exists…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — March 10, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
Careful, Arn… this one would appear to be begging for attention here. Looks like it’s just waiting for a chance to attack someone.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pmREALLY? So tell us WHERE “reasonable dialog†exists…
Rush Limbaugh? Fox “news� “Red State�
Tell us, concern DoD PSYOPS…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — March 10, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
Well, for example, your assumption that global warming is a political issue, or that I listen to Rush Limbaugh. I thought it was all about the science. If it isn’t science, then what is it? I’m not sure what your last cryptic statement means, but I’m sure it has nothing to do with the issue.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:43 pmREALLY? So tell us WHERE “reasonable dialog†exists…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
Obviously, it isn’t on Think Progress.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pmSo the Vatican has added poor stewardship of the planet to the list of sins. It seems that both religion and science are against the deniers.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pmGo somewhere else then Mr. Anti.
I doubt you were invited in the first place.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pmObviously, it isn’t on Think Progress.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Well I suppose than we won’t be enjoying your company around these parts any longer. Take care and best wishes.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:48 pmHas there ever been a systematic study of the behavior and posting habits of trolls?
I would find it fascinating to learn how and why threads like this one get infested with ignorant clods and wingnuts apologists while others remain relatively troll-free. And different days, too.
The weekend, for instance, was pretty quiet in terms of troll activity, and now Monday morning, they’re out in force, with tons of energy. No logic or reason, but tons of energy.
And there are new ones popping up today. Same tired old discredited talking points, but new screen names. What gives?
Is it all about the cash flow situation at the RNC troll department?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:49 pmObviously, it isn’t on Think Progress.
Comment by AntiFed1791
Our other trolls are always accusing us of making blanket statements…….
March 10th, 2008 at 4:49 pmGo somewhere else then Mr. Anti.
I doubt you were invited in the first place.
Comment by tombaker
I’ve been coming to TP for a few years now. I didn’t know it required an invitation.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pmI’m somewhat taken aback by the overt hostility to people with different viewpoints here. Are we all robots here, that we have to agree on everything?
It’s really kind of sick to assume that, just because I disagree with you on one subject, that I must therefore be a “disinfo agent”. That is absurd!
The irrationality over this one issue only serves to strengthen my point; that there is more propaganda and media hype to Anthropogenic Global Warming than Science.
Ralph, I’d wager some Sociology grad students somewhere are working on the answer to that one right now. It is fascinating, and sometimes I get a Marlon Perkins kind of feel from observing and interacting with them. Weird, wild stuff (in my best Carson/Carvey delivery)
March 10th, 2008 at 4:55 pmMisspelled words aren’t very funny either…
Comment by Nevar — March 10, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
I nevar sayed I didunt lyke puns- they’re jsut the lowest form of humor…
March 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pmAristotle said it, not me… but then I’ve always been a bigger fan of Aristophanes- very punny Greek.
It’s odd that the only voices I’ve ever encountered who say things like “there is more propaganda and media hype to Anthropogenic Global Warming than Science” always turn out to be politically right to far-right. The only other issue of science in which I find that kind of ideological purity is evolution.
Can someone explain this statistically unlikely spread of opinion?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pmI’m somewhat taken aback by the overt hostility to people with different viewpoints here
maybe your opening statment had something to do with it. In Texas they have a thing they say when they want to start a fight….it goes like this:
All you big ones stand up and all you small ones bunch up…..
Your opening sounds like you want a fight……..it would be hard for you to deny.
The political frothing at the mouth that goes on here
Comment by AntiFed1791
March 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pmComment by missmolly — March 10, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Oh, sorry. Thought you might have one in the area and I figured everyone knows who they are.
I heard Wally-world was going to recycle them, but mine doesn’t yet, so that might just be propaganda…
March 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm@182 – blanket denials and sweeping, oversimplified generalizations are not “different views” Mr. Anti.
The sidewalk in my neighborhood isn’t “invitation-only” either – doesn’t mean I go stomping on down it to tell my neighbor how wrong he is about something, even if I’m quite certain he is. Makes for a nicer neighborhood.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pmAristotle said it, not me… but then I’ve always been a bigger fan of Aristophanes- very punny Greek.
Comment by belac
phar owt, dood :)
March 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pmRighties seem to get really sensitive when they’re not calling for someone else to kill someone else to protect them. That’s quite a dichotomy.
Killing grandmas is A-OK, but harsh words on a website!?
-” oh my goodness, i think i might have a spell coming on! these people are so rough and unkind in their typings, oh my, whatever shall I do, Colonel?”
March 10th, 2008 at 5:04 pmThe irrationality over this one issue only serves to strengthen my point; that there is more propaganda and media hype to Anthropogenic Global Warming than Science.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
I disagree. (1) there is science to prove it. Simply because you choose to ignore it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist (2) Everything Republicans do is media hyped: Gay marriage, War in Iraq, stem cell research. If you really look at it, its only the disbelievers of Climate Change who are the ones propagandizing it.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:06 pmNo, it “strengthens†NOTHING.
It is just YOUR OPINION.
And YOUR irrationality.
The SCIENTIFIC community is 99% in agreement about Global Warming.
Again, tell us where there is “reasonable discourseâ€, oh TREASONOUS DoD PSYOPS azslicker of
MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA…
YOUR irrationality, YOUR opinion, NOTHING more. Just RNC/DoD TRAITOR “talking pointsâ€.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
Wow! Don’t blow a gasket, pal.
You’re making a lot of assumptions, aren’t you?
Ignoring the childish ad hominem ad infinitum…
You said — “The SCIENTIFIC community is 99% in agreement about Global Warming.”
That would be a miraculous event indeed. I don’t think there has been a time, where the “Scientific community” has had 99% consensus on such a complex issue. Can you cite your sources for this?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:07 pmGeez, there ya go, disagreeing wi’t AntiFed. Do you hafta prove him wrong?
I mean, ya jes’ HAD be civil and articulate there, huh?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pmI guess I’m wasting my time here. If someone disagrees, they are republican scum, troll or disinfo agent. How is TP any different in this regard than Redstate?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pm…sigh
So long TP. I’ll leave you to your brave new world.
The irrationality over this one issue only serves to strengthen my point; that there is more propaganda and media hype to Anthropogenic Global Warming than Science.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
This was stated as fact yet appears to be opinion. Can I get a little clarification over here
March 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pmad hominem
three different trolls…using the same line….they must have had a retreat over the weekend. I wonder if they use notes or are smart enough to copy and paste…
March 10th, 2008 at 5:17 pmSo long TP. I’ll leave you to your brave new world.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Here’s a secret- we’re not really trying to convert you and we’re not sorry to see you go…
March 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pmIf you haven’t been convinced by the OVERWHELMING amount of PEER-REVIEWED Scientific data that supports the theory of anthropomorphic climate change then there is little that our discussion can do to convince you…
…but then you didn’t really come for a discussion, did you?
…but then you didn’t really come for a discussion, did you?
Comment by belac — March 10, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Prolly not belac, prolly not. Seemed ta come thru tha door wi’t a chip on his shoulder, jes darin’ someone ta knock it off.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pmthree different trolls…using the same line….they must have had a retreat over the weekend. I wonder if they use notes or are smart enough to copy and paste…
Comment by Fred — March 10, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Yeah, I theorized that a troll retreat over the weekend was why the threads were so relatively clean of troll dung.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:27 pmI wonder if they use notes or are smart enough to copy and paste…
Comment by Fred — March 10, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
I’d think they just end up eating the paste…
March 10th, 2008 at 5:29 pmThe trolls are worried about the mercury from lightbulb s while at least two Republican debates were sponsored by the coal industry. OK children, where does the mercury in the air that lands in the water that poisons fish come from? Here’s a clue, it’s not from lightbulbs.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:41 pmSo long TP. I’ll leave you to your brave new world.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Adios MFer.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pmhttp://www.westernresourceadvocates.org/energy/mercury.php
Mercury Impacts
Mercury is a metal that is a liquid at room temperature. Mercury is known as a “heavy metal†because it is very dense. One cup weighs more than 6.5 pounds. Mercury can be toxic to humans, fish, and wildlife.
Harmful effects of mercury
Emissions from coal-fired power plants are the single largest human-caused source of mercury in the environment. Coal plants contribute approximately one-third of all human-caused mercury. Coal-burning power plants are the only major source of mercury pollution in the United States that is not regulated by the government. When coal is burned at a power plant, mercury is released from the smoke stack and is ultimately deposited on land and in our rivers, streams, and lakes.
Most human exposure to mercury comes from eating contaminated fish. Mercury accumulates in fish in a severely toxic form known as methylmercury. Over 40 states have mercury advisories warning consumers not to eat fish caught in certain lakes, streams, and other water bodies. We’ve created a mercury cycle graphic (pdf 2.1 mb) that shows how mercury gets into the environment and how fish are affected.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimates that as many as seven million adults and children are regularly eating mercury-contaminated fish at unsafe levels. Mercury exposure at toxic levels can cause damage to vision, coordination, nervous system and brain function in adults and children. In addition, fetuses are particularly vulnerable to mercury poisoning, which can inhibit development and cause severe birth defects. Women are advised against eating fish with elevated levels of mercury both before and during pregnancy.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:45 pmI guess the RNC stopped paying the trolls and now the energy industry is the only group giving them money now. Worthless bunch of wh*res.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:46 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
No TRoS, it’s the lightbulbs, it’s the lightbulbs! Yeesh.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:47 pmYeesh.
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
My bad… my bad… at least I didn’t say **unintelligible**…
March 10th, 2008 at 5:50 pmFolks, man-caused global warming is not only MUCH more political than scientific, but it’s no longer an actual occurance. There has, in FACT, been no warming up in the Earth’s average temperature in about 8 years. None. If and when the earth’s average temp does change, it’s just as likely that it will get cooler. These are documented, scientific facts. I’m SHOCKED you zombies haven’t heard the news yet. That last sentence was sarcasm, since you all have such a hard time noticing it.
In reference to post # 191 “I disagree. (1) there is science to prove it. Simply because you choose to ignore it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist (2) Everything Republicans do is media hyped: Gay marriage, War in Iraq, stem cell research. If you really look at it, its only the disbelievers of Climate Change who are the ones propagandizing it.
I assume you mean there’s science to prove that global warming is real, which as I just said above, hasn’t been the case for nearly a decade. There’s even less, if at all, that there’s ANY man-made global warming, PERIOD. To your second point, that comment coming from someone who’s a part of a party that has decided to take up arms and follow a failed politician to be their “expert” in a theory that has no science to back it up. Talk about politicising and propagandizing an issue. It is ONLY the disbelievers? You truly are a testament to your username.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:07 pmThe trolls are worried about the mercury from lightbulb s while at least two Republican debates were sponsored by the coal industry. OK children, where does the mercury in the air that lands in the water that poisons fish come from? Here’s a clue, it’s not from lightbulbs.
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
The trolls aren’t worried about mercury at all, Shayne. It’s just a troll’s attempt to be snarky, like jason0000 telling us we’re destroying the world by exhaling. It’s what passes for humor among “conservatives”.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:08 pmComment by One — March 10, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Thanks for that. Please address the questions at # 162 and share a little of your clear expertise in this area as well as some data preferably from a nonbiased source to support your argument
March 10th, 2008 at 6:11 pmAt least they seem to have the decency to put their serial number along with their names now. “Troll 1791, report to the re-education facility”.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:12 pmDoes Troll Centra really think they get better value out of their trolls if they change their names constantly?
New troll names show up, spouting the same RNC blathering points as the old trolls, and this is somehow supposed to have an impact?
Maybe the trolls were getting bored, and since the RNC obviously doesn’t want to cycle their talking points, the only other option is to cycle the troll names. Give them someone new to pretend to be.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:12 pmComment by One — March 10, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Thanks for your opinion.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:15 pmSo long TP. I’ll leave you to your brave new world.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Gosh, I miss him already.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:16 pmComment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
Well we can always “decant” a new one for you if you wish
March 10th, 2008 at 6:18 pmGosh, I miss him already.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
It’s one of my favorite types of trolls. “Man, you people suck. You really have a chip on your shoulder, don’t you? You can’t stand to hear any other opinions because you’re so narrow-minded. God, you’re stupid and soooo intolerant. I’m leaving.”
March 10th, 2008 at 6:19 pmThanks for your opinion.
Comment by dim wit — March 10, 2008 @ 6:15 pm
I’m sure the good people at PG&E will be relieved to hear this too. They can drop their current campaign to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
Curses, foiled again!
March 10th, 2008 at 6:20 pmWell we can always “decant†a new one for you if you wish
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
I’ll learn to live with my pain. **sniff**
March 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pmDo I detect an undercurrent of **unintelligible** in that comment, young lady?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:31 pmWell we can always “decant†a new one for you if you wish
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
I’ll learn to live with my pain. **sniff**
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
Try the “somma”. It will ease your pain
March 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pmDo I detect an undercurrent of **unintelligible** in that comment, young lady?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
If you’re detecting an undercurrent of SNARK — you win the door prize!!
~Snarky Hussein Zooey
March 10th, 2008 at 6:36 pmOoooo… a door prize? Really?
“What… is… it?” he asked naively?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:40 pmAnd what is this “SNARK” you speak of?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:41 pmTry the “sommaâ€. It will ease your pain
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
Only if I can take it with sots of wine! Ease my pain forever, you say…?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:42 pm“What… is… it?†he asked naively?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Well…..it’s behind one of these three doors……
Snark door #1
Snarkier door #2 OR
The Snarkiest door #3
Choose wisely…..
March 10th, 2008 at 6:45 pmSo, from today’s activity we can safely surmise that, if it involves warming or weiners, it will be met with full fury by all the troll shock-troops, but if it’s about any of a wide array of other topics, they will largely ignore it.
What is it then, about warming and weiners, that so markedly stimulates the trolls? In some cases they become engorged with indignation – then throb in their utter contempt – and finally explode in incohrent spasms of protestation.
I just don’t get it.
-tom snarcaca hussein baker
March 10th, 2008 at 6:45 pmComment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Ala Karen Ann Quinlan?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:46 pmOnly if I can take it with sots of wine! Ease my pain forever, you say…?
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
“SOTS of wine!” I used to have a friend who was a sot of wine!
March 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pmChoose wisely…..
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Snark? Snarker? Snarkiest?
Hmmm…
If I didn’t know better, I’d say you were tryin’ ta start sumpin’ here!
March 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWe’re just a bunch of snarkaholics.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:52 pmAla Karen Ann Quinlan?
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
“SOTS of wine!†I used to have a friend who was a sot of wine!
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Y’all will never believe that I’m stone sober, will you? :-D
March 10th, 2008 at 6:53 pmIf I didn’t know better, I’d say you were tryin’ ta start sumpin’ here!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Me? (snark)
Would I do a snarky thing like that? Never, I snark!
Nevar, will you be my sponsor…?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:55 pmFor a snark pack to go I will…..
March 10th, 2008 at 6:57 pmHow about two? No wait, I’ll need one — for later. ;)
March 10th, 2008 at 6:59 pmY’all will never believe that I’m stone sober, will you? :-D
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
Ha. I’ve seen you “drink”. I believe you’re as sober as a judge . . . heyyy, waitaminit.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:02 pmDepends on how many judges you know, gummitch — and the quality thereof. ;)
March 10th, 2008 at 7:07 pmUh oh… the Snark-O-Meterâ„¢ is starting to red line…
Careful folks… we’re in the Danger Zone here…
March 10th, 2008 at 7:10 pmo sh*t – i just snarked on my new shoes…
…no more happy hour on an empty stomach for this moonbat.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:24 pmi’m gonna need a designated snarker to get home…
March 10th, 2008 at 7:25 pmo sh*t – i just snarked on my new shoes…
Comment by tombaker
Were they snarkers?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:26 pmJust throw them in the wash.
Don’t try to dry them by the campfire…
“Our children will be living in caves and dying of ear infections. ”
Frank M
Frank talks about having to live in a cave, is that really any different than your mom’s basement?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:28 pmThat’s right… just keep snarking around until you set something off.
Do I have to remind you all about last week’s unfortunate event?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:35 pmFrank talks about having to live in a cave, is that really any different than your mom’s basement?
Comment by blue state bob
I did assume he was talking about his kids, as he used the possessive pronoun ‘our’…
March 10th, 2008 at 7:42 pmWhen do we get to meet the missus, Frank?
Can you hear me Frank?
Something wrong with your hearing?
Frank?
FRANNNNNNNNK!
Inflatable women can’t get pregnant, Nevar.
According to Frank, that’s “birth control”…
March 10th, 2008 at 7:47 pmJust like Exxon, Al Gore has a lot riding on Climate Change Theory.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/71011
“Since 2000, according to published reports, the former veep has transformed himself from a public servant with around $1 million in the bank to a sparkling private consultant with a net worth estimated to be north of $100 million.”
Shouldn’t we question Gore’s motives as much as we question the motives of large oil corporations?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:47 pmDon’t try to dry them by the campfire…
Comment by Nevar — March 10, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
Oy, been there, done that. Once.
Man, that snarked.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:50 pmHmmmpf… not listening to me, I see.
Go ahead… keep the SNARK on. Wait till you see the electric bill at the end of the month.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:54 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/science/01tier.html?_r=2&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
I know there is alot of consesus for Climate Change and some of the alarmist claims of many of it’s proponents, but here is a NY Times article that postulates some contrary ideas to the alarmism.
March 10th, 2008 at 7:55 pmComment by backup — March 10, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
Quick, get on the phone to PG&E. They’ll be relieved to know they’ve been suckered and can stop all their attempts to cut green house gas emissions.
WHEW! That was a close one!
March 10th, 2008 at 7:55 pmComment by backup — March 10, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
So?
Ever heard of science? You know, the people who develop such strong evidence of something, and then call it a theory? Do you understand the significance of a scientist calling something a theory?
Didn’t think so…
March 10th, 2008 at 8:05 pmGo ahead… keep the SNARK on. Wait till you see the electric bill at the end of the month.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
I’m gonna leave the door open and snark the whole world!
March 10th, 2008 at 8:07 pmPublic snarking? You do know TP allows children on these threads?
(Shi-ite… lookit the trolls we get… talk about children…)
March 10th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI know there is alot of consesus for Climate Change and some of the alarmist claims of many of it’s proponents, but here is a NY Times article that postulates some contrary ideas to the alarmism.
Comment by backup
same guy who wrote this article…..right? Try to find some actual science to back up your distortions.
Recycling Is Garbage
March 10th, 2008 at 8:14 pmRinsing out tuna cans and tying up newspapers may make you feel virtuous, but recycling could be America’s most wasteful activity.
-By John Tierney
Isn’t backup Captain Mantastic?
March 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pmPublic snarking? You do know TP allows children on these threads?
(Shi-ite… lookit the trolls we get… talk about children…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
Let’s shake ‘em up, they might learn something.
I’m not counting on it, but it could happen.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:23 pmComment by Fred — March 10, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
Recycling isn’t a big mondo-money maker, so in the Con mindset it’s a waste of time.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:25 pmI guess I’m wasting my time here. If someone disagrees, they are republican scum, troll or disinfo agent. How is TP any different in this regard than Redstate?
…sigh
So long TP. I’ll leave you to your brave new world.
Comment by AntiFed1791 — March 10, 2008
Real reason:
March 10th, 2008 at 8:31 pm1. His computer time was up at the unemployment office
2. There was a clean up on aisle 6 that needed his attention
Here is where the media has decided it would rather deal in sensationalism and political agenda than present the truth.†[…]
Comment by good_golly
you’re a fool. The media has obediently ignored it……it is like our economy that you keep saying is “strong”. The evidence against your statements is too much for everyone but you to accept…
March 10th, 2008 at 8:39 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
Scientific method — look it up. Learn something, please.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pmComment by Fred — March 10, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
You’re being generous with the “fool” thing, Fred.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:43 pmScience is a self-correcting process that constantly puts its tested hypotheses forward for tohers to test, criticize and either confirm or deny. The fastest way to make your scientific conclusions suspect is to refuse to put them up for peer review. Here is where the media has decided it would rather deal in sensationalism and political agenda than present the truth.†[…]
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
So are you suggesting the media and science are the same? I don’t get the linkage you are trying to make
March 10th, 2008 at 8:45 pmRecycling isn’t a big mondo-money maker, so in the Con mindset it’s a waste of time.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Then why do they recycle all of their talking points? Explain THAT!
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
March 10th, 2008 at 8:49 pmYou’re being generous with the “fool†thing, Fred.
Comment by Zooey
thanks for noticing my restraint Zooey. I’m tryin not to be tooo snarky until it is really called for…….
March 10th, 2008 at 8:49 pmWhy, oh why does Gigi insist on presenting opinion on global warming, rather than scientific fact?
Does she think that works as compelling evidence?
Let me rephrase that — does she think?
March 10th, 2008 at 8:52 pmThen why do they recycle all of their talking points? Explain THAT!
– Ralph Hussein Wonder Llama
Closet recyclers.
~Hussein Snark Zooey
March 10th, 2008 at 8:57 pmthanks for noticing my restraint Zooey. I’m tryin not to be tooo snarky until it is really called for…….
Comment by Fred — March 10, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
Free your snark, and the rest will follow.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:58 pmJust like Exxon, Al Gore has a lot riding on Climate Change Theory.
Comment by backup — March 10, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
How would backup expect an intelligent, informed capitalist to respond when he foresees the way a coming crisis will affect the economy?
Oh, that’s right– Gore’s a Democrat, therefore a socialist.
How would backup suggest changes to our economic infrastructure be implemented if not through the power of the marketplace? Aren’t deniers constantly b!tching about Gore pushing “new taxes” and “government mandates”?
Oh, that’s right — Gore is supposed to want us to live in caves and travel on Razor scooters.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:00 pmWhy, oh why does Gigi insist on presenting opinion on global warming, rather than scientific fact?
Does she think that works as compelling evidence?
Let me rephrase that — does she think?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
I think the answer is obvious……….where would they get it?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pmRalph……..I remember a thread some time back where backup admitted to being Captain Mantastic….He got banned under Mantastic so this is his new username….
March 10th, 2008 at 9:04 pmI am sorry that you don’t “get it,†but then again, the article was written for Mensans
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Mensa must have lowered their standards.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Sure whatever.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pmLets get to the verbage shall we? The first section of the passage seems to be intended to define the scientific process. The last sentence seems to be a discussion of media message. The suggestion seems to be that the media has failed in that it has not followed the methodologies of science.
Those tests are no longer accepted.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
Sorry you couldn’t get in.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:39 pmActually, they have raised them. Mensa used to, for example accept the ACT and SAT as qualifying scores if you scored in the top 2%. Those tests are no longer accepted.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
Another odd linkage. For this to be an example of higher standards one would need to first know the basis of the change. Is it possible that upon further reflection the validity and reliability of these assessment tools might have been found wanting?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:39 pmAs for good golly, she talks about finance but knows nothing, talks about science but knows nothing, talks about defense/military matters but knows nothing, talks about the environment but knows nothing. If knowing nothing was qualification for Mensa membership, then G_G would be a founding member.
As bugs bunny would say, what a maroooooooon!!! She must have made $3.70 today from her posts
March 10th, 2008 at 9:40 pm“The summary for policymakers has the input of about 13 of the scientists.�
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:35 pm
Have you ever actually looked at the IPCC reports? And um, you do understand that a summary for policymakers is a SUMMARY, don’t you?
Why are you such a f_cking sheep? Oh yeah, couldn’t get into Mensa.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:41 pmok, mr. golly. whatever you say.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:44 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Do you rely on the media for all your opinions? How has the media attacked you?
Have you read the IPCC reports? That takes the evil media right out of the equation, doesn’t it?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:45 pmThe media has [...] launching ad hominem attacks on those who question the dramatized reports of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
“Global Warming†is the “Red Scare†of our time.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Oh… the… Irony!
March 10th, 2008 at 9:47 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
come on now we all know the “terrorists who hate our freedoms” are the real scare.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:48 pmWhat’s the “Antartic”?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:49 pmOh… the… Irony!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Don’t use big words — gg couldn’t get into Mensa.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:50 pmWhat’s the “Antartic�
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
She meant Antsnarktic.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:51 pmWhat’s the “Antartic�
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
I hate when my high school oceanography do that! It is as annoying as when they say that polar bears eat penquins. Well drive safe….
March 10th, 2008 at 9:53 pmstudents
March 10th, 2008 at 9:53 pmWell drive safe….
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
Aaaarr-snark-rrrggghhhhhhh!!!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 9:54 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
Let’s list the other 16 and take a look
March 10th, 2008 at 10:00 pm“… they say that polar bears eat penquins…”
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 9:53 pm
Well… I NEVER! Hmmmpf!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:01 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Consensus
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
No wonder you couldn’t get into Mensa.
Don’t link to the Wiki to back up facts.
Anyone have a match? I’m itching for a strawman bonfire.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:02 pmGood golly
Please just stop, you do not make 6 figures, maybe if you include decimal points you do. You are not in Mensa. As an aside, only pompous, pretentious idiots actually would join that joke organization. That said, you don’t qualify. You talk about finance here a lot, but as someone who works on Wall Street not in some Wal Mart in Ocala you don’t know what the hell you are saying, you sound like a complete idiot. So do yourself a favor, go back to Red State. Maybe there, as you sometimes do spell things correctly, you could look intelligent.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pmFirst problem taht jumps out at me other than the implied bias inherent in the titles is the homogeneity of the panel that ranked the concerns
March 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pmWell… I NEVER! Hmmmpf!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
The snarks say they taste like chicken.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:06 pmefforts to stop global warming should receive the lowest priority?
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
Huh… because they’re economists, and not scientists?
“… led by Bjørn Lomborg, the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist…”
One of the Copenhagen Consensus panel experts later distanced himself from the way in which the Consensus results have been interpreted in the wider debate. Thomas Schelling now thinks that it was misleading to put climate change at the bottom of the priority list. The Consensus panel members were presented with a dramatic proposal for handling climate change. If given the opportunity, Schelling would have put a more modest proposal higher on the list.
The Yale economist Robert O. Mendelsohn was the official critic of the proposal for climate change during the Consensus. He thought the proposal was way out of the mainstream and could only be rejected. Mendelsohn worries that climate change was set up to fail. [14]
Whole story, dude… not just the parts that make you look right.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pmThe snarks say they taste like chicken.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:06 pm
Chicken… you say… hmmm…
March 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pmWhole story, dude… not just the parts that make you look right.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Damn, snarked again….
March 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pmChicken… you say… hmmm…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Yeah, but you don’t have to go to Antsnarktica for chicken, you could just drop by the Piggly Wiggly.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:14 pmSorry for my poor typing skills. The article is only in the print edition.
Comment by good_golly
seems like by 2008 that mensa.org would be sending out emails instead of licking stamps
March 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pmthe Piggly Wiggly.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
The Piggly Wiggly?
Hmmmm… bacon… Howzabout a BLTS*?
*Bacon, tomato, lettuce & SNARK!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:18 pmI believe you have made references to your large salary, but it is hard to tell you trolls apart as you spout the same pathetic, tired talking points
March 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm“… you don’t have to go to Antsnarktica for chicken…”
Penguins… taste like chicken…
Is that where the phrase… “chicken of the sea” comes from?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm*Bacon, tomato, lettuce & SNARK!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Mmmmmm, snark…..
March 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm“global snarking” is the “red snark” of our time.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:22 pmI believe you have made references to your large salary, but it is hard to tell you trolls apart as you spout the same pathetic, tired talking points
Comment by blue state bob — March 10, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
Oh yeah, the gated trailer court. Private home-schooling. Paid for Pinto and Yugo.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:22 pmIs that where the phrase… “chicken of the sea†comes from?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:20 pm
Penguins are easier to land than tuna. Shhhhh…..
March 10th, 2008 at 10:23 pmOh yeah, the gated trailer court. Private home-schooling. Paid for Pinto and Yugo.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
I almost miss Bigfoot, with his two, count them two, trailers
March 10th, 2008 at 10:26 pmI almost miss Bigfoot, with his two, count them two, trailers
Comment by blue state bob — March 10, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Oh yeah, the special trailers — the kind with re-sale value. Uh huh….
March 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pmwas that the meat guy?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pmMan, Gigi is putting on a miserable performance tonight.
The only evidence for a”debate” on global warming she has presented are all non-scientific. An opinion piece from a Mensa publication, complaining that the media has failed in its duty to execute scietntific method, a report from the US Senate Committe On the Environment and Public Works that was issued by noted global warming skeptic and nutjob James Inhofe (R-OK), a CNN report by Dr. Lindzen (the go-to guy for the denial community), and a report from a group organized by Bjorn Lonborg, another noted skeptic (and, incidentally, trained as an political scientist, not a climatologist).
Gigi must not get tired of recycling the same old tired “experts” but at least she could try to offer something… y’know, scientific.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
…
Whole story, dude… not just the parts that make you look right.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
You’re being awfully generous, TRoS. I didn’t even think the parts she cherry=picked made her look right.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:41 pmwas that the meat guy?
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Yeah, he delivers the meat.
Lots of complaints on that one. :-D
March 10th, 2008 at 10:42 pmWhole story, dude… not just the parts that make you look right.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Damn, snarked again….
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Is my face RED! Zoo, my snarkdar just is not as efficient as yours, obviously.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:42 pmI almost miss Bigfoot, with his two, count them two, trailers
Comment by blue state bob — March 10, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Yeaaah… what ever happened to him?
Mebbe he got caught w/in 500 feet of an elementary school ‘n had his parole revoked.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:43 pmmy snarkdar just is not as efficient as yours, obviously.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 10, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Perhaps you folks need the new and Improved Snark-o-Meter 5000â„¢. Perfect for all yer snark detection needs. W/ new, easy to read in the dark digital display!
Bing!bing!bing!bing! See? Whole Lotta Snarkin’ Goin’ On!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pmI didn’t even think the parts she cherry=picked made her look right.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 10, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Hey… what can I say? Just trying to spread the snark here…
March 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pmYeah, he delivers the meat.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Why does that sound like the tag line for a gay skin flick?
And somehow, oh so appropriate fer Li’l Footie?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:48 pmHey… what can I say? Just trying to spread the snark here…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
Okay, okay… I missed the snark on that one… cut me some slack…. sheesh.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pmIs my face RED! Zoo, my snarkdar just is not as efficient as yours, obviously.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 10, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Well, I got a good night’s snark last night, feelin’ pretty spry and snarky. ;)
March 10th, 2008 at 10:50 pmLots of complaints on that one. :-D
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
yeah, a lot of meat is tainted. That’s why I stick with the fish
March 10th, 2008 at 10:50 pmImproved Snark-o-Meter 5000â„¢
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
Oy, how much snark will that set me back?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pmyeah, a lot of meat is tainted. That’s why I stick with the fish
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
Fish is more forgiving of a bad cut. ;)
March 10th, 2008 at 10:53 pmWhy does that sound like the tag line for a gay skin flick?
And somehow, oh so appropriate fer Li’l Footie?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
Cue the music…..bow chicka bow wow….
March 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pmA pretty penny… but worth every last one… you’ve never had snarkin’ this good before!
We’re almost there folks… the Snark is strong here tonight.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:55 pmCue the music…..bow chicka bow wow….
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 10:54 pm
right… that snarky Farfisa organ/wah-wah guitar stuff from the eighties… kinda like the sound track to the old “Starsky and Hutch” show.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:56 pmyeah, a lot of meat is tainted.
Comment by dbadass — March 10, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
Well, seeing as Footie dealt exclusively in road kill…
March 10th, 2008 at 10:57 pmHell, snarkin’ that good, I’ll be happy to pay for it.
Just call me Eliot Snark Hussein Spitzer.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:58 pmLittle Bo Snark?
Who Killed Snark Robin?
The Great Snarksby?
The Snark Francisco 49ers?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:06 pmFor Snark the Bell Tolls
The Snark of Wrath
Dante’s Snark-ferno
Oedipus Snark
A Snark Play
Winnie the Snark
March 10th, 2008 at 11:09 pmMay the snark be with you
=P
March 10th, 2008 at 11:14 pmA penny saved is a penny snarked.
Snarkus fugit.
A snark in time saves nine!
March 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pmMind your Ps and snarks.
The early snark gets the worm.
The early bird gets the snark.
I’m leavin’ on the snark train.
All we are saying is give snark a chance.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:22 pmThe last Train to Snarksville?
It’s a bird… it’s a plane… no, it’s Snarkerman!
The Red Badge of Snarkage?
Snarcotics?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pmThou Shalt Not Snark
Thou shalt not snark they neighbor’s wife.
Neither a borrower nor a snarker be.
Snark will get you for that!
March 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pmThou Shalt Not Snark
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
I am not joing Zoo, I enjoy a good snarking =P
March 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pmjoing=joining sorry for the typo
March 10th, 2008 at 11:40 pmAw, come on krazny. :-)
March 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pmSnark and the whole world will snark with you.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pmHeh. You’re hooked now! :-)
March 10th, 2008 at 11:50 pmhehe mostly bored, and looking for something to do. Frankly most people have already made a decision about climate change. Those who want to deny can do so until the sea swallows thier homes.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:56 pmThose who want to deny can do so until the sea swallows thier homes.
Comment by Krazny — March 10, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
Very wise. :-)
March 11th, 2008 at 12:04 amThose who want to deny can do so until the sea swallows thier homes.
Comment by Krazny — March 10, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
I don’t think it will happen, but if it comes to that, I’ll just build a snark, like Noah did.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:09 amNoah’s Snark – great idea, Mr. backup.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:05 amDon’t even get me started. For one if Gore and the left didn’t stir up the whole global warming myth we wouldn’t be in the high gas price problem. lets just drill in Alaska. The gulf. Why not while we have it and discover new options. There is no quick fix. It just drives up cost. WHat do you think will happen to food, beer prices when we use all of our corn for fuel. Get real. How about a little Nuclear. If you guys are so upset about global warming then turn off you computers, routers, plasmas, dryers and save the planet. Hang your clothes out to dry. I mean come on who doesn’t like driving their truck or SUV. Lets be honest who drives a Prius around besides people who can afford them.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 amUntil then have fun, or just a doom and gloom attitude its up to you.
That’s the spirit, drock number 234! If all else fails, pig-headed ignorance will always see us through.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:08 pm#210, post #162’s questions refer to “peer-reviewed” science. “Peer-reviewed” is not a quarantee of the science being proof. It’s only a title given to a journal that’s been reviewed by and agreed on by a bunch of scientists, regardless of what their agenda is. “Peer-reviewed” means as much to me as the regional manager of Burger King telling me what fries are the best.
In 1975, there was an article in Newsweek on April 28 that raved about the dangerous possibility of global cooling. My expertise? What stats and info do you want first? The complete nonsense that is the Kyoto Treaty? How about the scientific fact that heat causes CO2, not the other way around? There is more evidence that shows that solar activity is more directly related to increased temperatures than CO2 levels. Previous warming trends in the last 100 years, of which there were two seperate documented global warming “scares” in the 1900’s by the media, the 30’s and then today. Not to mention two seperate global COOLING scares written about in the media, most recently in 1975. The other one in the 1920’s. My point is that climate change has been the main topic of the media before, and more than once. Those articles about both global cooling and global warming in the past all quote scientists who say it’s simply a reality. They turned out to be wrong every time. You want facts? How about there being no warming of Earth’s average temperature in nearly a decade? An Inconvenient Truth sure didn’t have many facts. Yet it’s part of the curriculum in many public schools.
Post #226, you could actually respond instead of spouting piles of name-calling and verbal attacks. Actually, you can call us “trolls” anything you want, just have an argument with some actual substance with it.
I won’t expect much in terms of a response here worth taking seriously. You all demand facts but when you get them, you go back to deflecting comments and name-calling. I will truly be shocked if even one objective comment is made to this post.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 4:33 pmOne Says: You want facts? How about there being no warming of Earth’s average temperature in nearly a decade?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
Hmmm, no warming? Here are the “FACTS” refuting your claim.
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