Comments on: Anti-Immigrant Zealots Lose Hastert’s Seat For Conservatives http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:04:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteries http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-5284248 batteries Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:19:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-5284248 As you point out BushCo built on RayGun. Bush is extreme because he could be and get away with it. RayGun would have been as extreme as Bush has the situation then, been as it is today. He was extreme in his time. Firing the air controllers was considered really extreme at the time. I really don’t separate RayGun, 41 and 43. (Clinton was there, but on the fringe.) They are all part of the same cloth. Corporate controlled, neocon run, heading <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/compaq/nc4400.htm" rel="nofollow">compaq nc4400 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/compaq/tc4200.htm" rel="nofollow">compaq tc4200 battery</a> in the direction of the nineteenth century where regulation did not exist and the Federal Government was in the pocket of the super rich. “libertarian” capitalists. As you point out BushCo built on RayGun. Bush is extreme because he could be and get away with it. RayGun would have been as extreme as Bush has the situation then, been as it is today. He was extreme in his time. Firing the air controllers was considered really extreme at the time.

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]]> By: Crazy Cat Lady http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4297799 Crazy Cat Lady Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:07:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4297799 Stormkrow Are you okay with the Millions of Dollars sent out of the US every year by corporations to the Cayman Islands, tax free? Thanks Crazy Hussein Cat Lady Stormkrow

Are you okay with the Millions of Dollars sent out of the US every year by corporations to the Cayman Islands, tax free?

Thanks
Crazy Hussein Cat Lady

]]> By: Sheep Dog Jeff http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4297663 Sheep Dog Jeff Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:43:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4297663 Republic of the Stupidity You claim that there was “so much wrong” with Stormkrow’s comments, yet you failed to regale us with your keen insight and wisdom. I love the fact that you find humor in belittling a person by making sure your response included words written as if they were spoken down South, or are we seeing the spelling skills of a liberal education. Just like a quasi-Progressive, write of the indolence’s in the world while displaying your own prejudices. As far as the moniker you use, it is very fitting for you. Your truly are a member of the Republic of the Stupidity. Republic of the Stupidity
You claim that there was “so much wrong” with Stormkrow’s comments, yet you failed to regale us with your keen insight and wisdom. I love the fact that you find humor in belittling a person by making sure your response included words written as if they were spoken down South, or are we seeing the spelling skills of a liberal education. Just like a quasi-Progressive, write of the indolence’s in the world while displaying your own prejudices.
As far as the moniker you use, it is very fitting for you. Your truly are a member of the Republic of the Stupidity.

]]> By: Martin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296665 Martin Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:11:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296665 Oberweis' latest defeat proves that whether he is running for the governorship or a Senate or House seat, his anti-immigrant message simply does not resonate with voters. Let him keep spending all of his money on campaigns, his zeal of bashing immigrants only helps demonstrate why Latinos are abandoning the GOP in droves. Oberweis’ latest defeat proves that whether he is running for the governorship or a Senate or House seat, his anti-immigrant message simply does not resonate with voters.

Let him keep spending all of his money on campaigns, his zeal of bashing immigrants only helps demonstrate why Latinos are abandoning the GOP in droves.

]]> By: scott http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296644 scott Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:04:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296644 More proof that if Republicans don't come up with any ideas besides rounding up and deporting 12 million people, their fortunes aren't going to change any time soon. More proof that if Republicans don’t come up with any ideas besides rounding up and deporting 12 million people, their fortunes aren’t going to change any time soon.

]]> By: lej http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296639 lej Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:00:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296639 This is further evidence the anti-immigrant rhetoric isn't going to work. Americans see through the old tactics of playing on our fears and using wedge issues. Simply put if Republicans continue to use anti-immigrant messaging 2008 is going to be tougher than 2006 was. This is further evidence the anti-immigrant rhetoric isn’t going to work. Americans see through the old tactics of playing on our fears and using wedge issues. Simply put if Republicans continue to use anti-immigrant messaging 2008 is going to be tougher than 2006 was.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296637 The Republic of Stupidity Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:59:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296637 Stormkrow, there's so much WRONG w/ yer rant... where to begin? If you want to be taken seriously, and not laughed outta here, git some facts into yer tirade, okay? Stormkrow, there’s so much WRONG w/ yer rant… where to begin?

If you want to be taken seriously, and not laughed outta here, git some facts into yer tirade, okay?

]]> By: stormkrow http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296585 stormkrow Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:21:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296585 I've read many of these posts - are you all in favor of letting any and everybody come here? Do you not care about ILLEGAL immigration? Millions of dollars are sent out of the US economy tax free every year. And you think that's ok? I don't care if immigrants are here, but if they want to reap the benefits of living in the US they should pay taxes just like the rest of us. Illegal immigrants undermine the effort put in by legal immigrants to gain citizenship. I don't believe in birthright citizenship. It's just an invitation to come here illegally. Do you know who pays those hospital bills for illegal immigrants to have babies, and who pays the bill for those kids to go to school? We do. Not them, but the taxpayers. It would be nice if I didn't have to pay taxes, but I'm a legal citizen. And i'm sick of the argument "oh, but they do the jobs that americans won't do." Are you sure? Do you know how many americans are losing their jobs? Is it that they won't do the work or that they won't get hired because they're employer BY LAW would have to pay them more than can pay an illegal immigrant. If we didn't have illegal immigrants employers would have to pay everyone at least minimum wage and all those americans who "won't do" those jobs would have a chance to get hired. It's not the american workforce that creates an environment the caters to illegal immigrants, it's the employers trying to save money. Illegal immigrants do no good for the US. I’ve read many of these posts – are you all in favor of letting any and everybody come here? Do you not care about ILLEGAL immigration? Millions of dollars are sent out of the US economy tax free every year. And you think that’s ok? I don’t care if immigrants are here, but if they want to reap the benefits of living in the US they should pay taxes just like the rest of us. Illegal immigrants undermine the effort put in by legal immigrants to gain citizenship. I don’t believe in birthright citizenship. It’s just an invitation to come here illegally. Do you know who pays those hospital bills for illegal immigrants to have babies, and who pays the bill for those kids to go to school? We do. Not them, but the taxpayers. It would be nice if I didn’t have to pay taxes, but I’m a legal citizen.
And i’m sick of the argument “oh, but they do the jobs that americans won’t do.” Are you sure? Do you know how many americans are losing their jobs? Is it that they won’t do the work or that they won’t get hired because they’re employer BY LAW would have to pay them more than can pay an illegal immigrant. If we didn’t have illegal immigrants employers would have to pay everyone at least minimum wage and all those americans who “won’t do” those jobs would have a chance to get hired. It’s not the american workforce that creates an environment the caters to illegal immigrants, it’s the employers trying to save money. Illegal immigrants do no good for the US.

]]> By: bf http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296553 bf Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:01:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296553 What an exciting victory for those who support fair and workable immigration reform. Hopefully, Republicans will finally realize that running anti-immigrant candidates who use hateful rhetoric will not be successful in the upcoming elections. It has not worked in the past, and it will not work now. What an exciting victory for those who support fair and workable immigration reform. Hopefully, Republicans will finally realize that running anti-immigrant candidates who use hateful rhetoric will not be successful in the upcoming elections. It has not worked in the past, and it will not work now.

]]> By: natisman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296418 natisman Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:47:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296418 Jorge and Rosa, two undocumented immigrants, were cleaning Oberweis ice cream stores and being paid $3.23 an hour. Denny needs a job now. Tie his hands behind his back and let him him clean-up with his tongue. All you have to do is put some head cheese somewhere, and he will find it and clean up too. I assume only RePUGs go there for ice cream, they won't care, in fact it's kind of like oinkers picking out truffles. Jorge and Rosa, two undocumented immigrants, were cleaning Oberweis ice cream stores and being paid $3.23 an hour.

Denny needs a job now. Tie his hands behind his back and let him him clean-up with his tongue. All you have to do is put some head cheese somewhere, and he will find it and clean up too. I assume only RePUGs go there for ice cream, they won’t care, in fact it’s kind of like oinkers picking out truffles.

]]> By: Sheep Dog Jeff http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296375 Sheep Dog Jeff Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:23:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296375 Merlin and Zooey you caught me, I don’t think like you. I use to, but broke free from some the failures of the Progressive propaganda. Isn’t amazing your first reaction is to insult or belittle me, not very “tolerant.” Merlin you know exactly where I stand if you have read my blog, I am former- Progressive much like you. Thanks for visiting my site. We may not always agree, but I bet if you read further you might actually find something we agree on. And yes, I do admire Ronald Reagan, a far cry from the day when I actually applauded his assassination attempt. Careful about throwing stones, no candidate is perfect. How courageous is it of you to hide behind other people’s rhetoric? I vote for the person, not the party. Always have. I haven’t decided who I will vote for, but I do know that I would never vote for Clinton. I want to see what running mates are chosen by Obama (should he win the nomination) or McCain. It would also depend on what third-party options are presented. Merlin and Zooey you caught me, I don’t think like you. I use to, but broke free from some the failures of the Progressive propaganda. Isn’t amazing your first reaction is to insult or belittle me, not very “tolerant.” Merlin you know exactly where I stand if you have read my blog, I am former- Progressive much like you. Thanks for visiting my site. We may not always agree, but I bet if you read further you might actually find something we agree on. And yes, I do admire Ronald Reagan, a far cry from the day when I actually applauded his assassination attempt. Careful about throwing stones, no candidate is perfect.
How courageous is it of you to hide behind other people’s rhetoric? I vote for the person, not the party. Always have. I haven’t decided who I will vote for, but I do know that I would never vote for Clinton. I want to see what running mates are chosen by Obama (should he win the nomination) or McCain. It would also depend on what third-party options are presented.

]]> By: AMcG773 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296342 AMcG773 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:58:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296342 "They don’t pay taxes why should you pay for them?" Of course they pay taxes. If they have false documentation, they are on payroll and taxes are withheld that they don't get back because they don't file returns. They also don't collect on the social security taxes that are withheld. They also pay sales taxes and if they're only making $3.23/hour, I'd say most of that is going right back into the economy. “They don’t pay taxes why should you pay for them?”

Of course they pay taxes. If they have false documentation, they are on payroll and taxes are withheld that they don’t get back because they don’t file returns. They also don’t collect on the social security taxes that are withheld. They also pay sales taxes and if they’re only making $3.23/hour, I’d say most of that is going right back into the economy.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296340 The Republic of Stupidity Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:48:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296340 Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 7:17 am Riiight... whereas as a gentle soul such as yerself merely spreads misinformation... It never worked historically, and it won’t work this time. That’s what’s bothering those who want are concerned about being overrun by immigrants who really don’t want to be Americans or adopt a common set of values. Dr. Rogers Comment by DrRogers — March 10, 2008 @ 9:28 pm We are a nation of immigrants. And I doubt yer a "Dr." What's Rogers? English? Irish? Scottish? Scandinavian? http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=282 "English is almost universally accepted by the children and grandchildren of the immigrants who have come to the US in great numbers since the 1960s, which means these children have high levels of linguistic assimilation. Moreover, by the third generation (grandchildren of immigrants), only a minority in any group maintains bilingualism." It's called 'assimilation". Look it up. You might learn something. Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 7:17 am

Riiight… whereas as a gentle soul such as yerself merely spreads misinformation…

It never worked historically, and it won’t work this time. That’s what’s bothering those who want are concerned about being overrun by immigrants who really don’t want to be Americans or adopt a common set of values.

Dr. Rogers

Comment by DrRogers — March 10, 2008 @ 9:28 pm

We are a nation of immigrants. And I doubt yer a “Dr.”

What’s Rogers? English? Irish? Scottish? Scandinavian?

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=282

“English is almost universally accepted by the children and grandchildren of the immigrants who have come to the US in great numbers since the 1960s, which means these children have high levels of linguistic assimilation. Moreover, by the third generation (grandchildren of immigrants), only a minority in any group maintains bilingualism.”

It’s called ‘assimilation”. Look it up. You might learn something.

]]> By: DrRogers http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296335 DrRogers Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:17:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296335 Intolerance and hate for non-believers is the hallmark of liberalism and so-called "progressives" -- Radical liberals simply spew hate filled messages intended to silence those who disagree with them. Intolerance and hate for non-believers is the hallmark of liberalism and so-called “progressives” — Radical liberals simply spew hate filled messages intended to silence those who disagree with them.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296330 toasterhead Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:46:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296330 <i>I'M A-SKEEERD OF DEM FORNERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dr. Rogers Comment by DrRogers — March 10, 2008 @ 9:28 pm</i> One wonders how a bigot like you managed to achieve a doctorate of medicine or philosophy. I’M A-SKEEERD OF DEM FORNERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Rogers

Comment by DrRogers — March 10, 2008 @ 9:28 pm

One wonders how a bigot like you managed to achieve a doctorate of medicine or philosophy.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296320 The Republic of Stupidity Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:08:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296320 Comment by drock234 — March 11, 2008 @ 2:33 am Anybody understand what this idiot is saying? Comment by drock234 — March 11, 2008 @ 2:33 am

Anybody understand what this idiot is saying?

]]> By: drock234 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296313 drock234 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:33:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296313 I don't want to pay higher taxes for illegals. call me crazy. I guess you just like giving your money away. Welfare, Schooling, Medicare, Uninsured (I guess universal health care can solve that, but os really paying for it?) jobs from your children (if you didn't abort them like a coward), crime, border enforcement, anchor babies.... If you don't have a good job why should they come here illegally and get a better one because thats whats happening. Maybe we should just give them a free college education too, so they can have another one up on us. wake up They don't pay taxes why should you pay for them? However they do construction nice and have good food. I don’t want to pay higher taxes for illegals. call me crazy. I guess you just like giving your money away.

Welfare, Schooling, Medicare, Uninsured (I guess universal health care can solve that, but os really paying for it?) jobs from your children (if you didn’t abort them like a coward), crime, border enforcement, anchor babies…. If you don’t have a good job why should they come here illegally and get a better one because thats whats happening. Maybe we should just give them a free college education too, so they can have another one up on us. wake up

They don’t pay taxes why should you pay for them?
However they do construction nice and have good food.

]]> By: darladoon http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296306 darladoon Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:38:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296306 there's a difference between "anti-immigrant" and "anti-immigration". i, myself, am all for limiting legal immigration. it's not like i'm "anti-immigrant".....after all, sweden's immigration policies are far more conservative than ours, yet sweden is a very liberal country, by american standards. and how about france? how do you think the old french workers feel about immigration? are they anti-muslim? there’s a difference between “anti-immigrant” and “anti-immigration”.

i, myself, am all for limiting legal immigration. it’s not like i’m “anti-immigrant”…..after all, sweden’s immigration policies are far more conservative than ours, yet sweden is a very liberal country, by american standards.

and how about france? how do you think the old french workers feel about immigration? are they anti-muslim?

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296277 RUCerious Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:05:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296277 Like I said the other day, we'll need 25 gallon drums of 409, several hundred square feet of steel wool, and an industrial strength sand blaster to get Hastert's seat ready for an honest Democrat to sit in. Like I said the other day, we’ll need 25 gallon drums of 409, several hundred square feet of steel wool, and an industrial strength sand blaster to get Hastert’s seat ready for an honest Democrat to sit in.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/comment-page-2/#comment-4296273 Krazny Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:58:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/oberweis-immigration/#comment-4296273 That will be one of many challenges for our country. Moving forward as a group of people with many backgrounds, religions and cultures. We can't return to segregation. We can't just expel all of the non-white, non-Christians. We need to figure out how to form a cohesive grouping. Think of it as you don't want to go to the store so you work with what you have to make dinner. Only exponentially harder. That will be one of many challenges for our country. Moving forward as a group of people with many backgrounds, religions and cultures. We can’t return to segregation. We can’t just expel all of the non-white, non-Christians. We need to figure out how to form a cohesive grouping. Think of it as you don’t want to go to the store so you work with what you have to make dinner. Only exponentially harder.

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