Spitzer linked to prostitution ring.
By on Mar 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Spitzer linked to prostitution ring.
New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D) “informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring.” Spitzer “abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day” and “is set to make an announcement about 2:15 this afternoon at his Manhattan office.”
UPDATE: Fox News is reporting that sources say Spitzer is “expected to resign.”
UPDATE II: In his public statement, Spitzer apologized to the public and his family but did not resign.
UPDATE III: TNR notes that Spitzer once prosecuted prostitution rings.
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Political career flameout. Unless you’re a Republican.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:11 pmWhat a breath of fresh air.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:11 pmFor once it’s not a Republican sex scandal.
Watch the trolls jump on this one….
If this is true, he should resign immediately and not rely on his cronies to keep him safe… like some officials I know….
March 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pmDepending on what it is, he should resign, the only honorable thing to do, we progressives demand accountability and honesty on the part of all politicians.
But of course our trolls don’t demand the same thing of their criminals.
Buck Hussein Fush
March 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pmThis phucking hypocrite ran on a reform platform, too.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:15 pmHe needs to resign, period.
like some officials I know….
Comment by raynman — March 10, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Yeah… expect a Troll-fest on this one…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pmHe needs to resign, period.
Comment by Wayne — March 10, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Yeaaaah… but I ain’t holding my breath.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pmWOW!
March 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pmThis is a bombshell. If he were Republican, he would be defensive and defended – he is a Democrat, however, so he will be out.
Was he wearing diapers? If not he needs to go, think of the children…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pmIf a New York Dem had to tank, why oh why couldn’t it be Clinton?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pmI forgot to finish — and so he SHOULD RESIGN.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pmuh-oh. Obama better go with Fitz for AG instead.
Too bad he’s not a Republican, because they’re never held responsible for this kind of thing.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pmAfter which, he will immediately announce he is a drunk, enter rehab and then resume his governor’s seat in Albany.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pmSex is great. Everybody should have as much as possible. I dont blame him for dating escorts. NYC has lots of beautiful women.
At least he wasnt texting underage kids or caught in restrooms.
I say who cares. It doesnt matter.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pmTime to pack it in Governor, fool……though he might just speak with some Republicans and see if he can come up with a plan to dodge responsibility for his actions. They have skills baby.
Who is Lt. Governor in NY anyway?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pmI hope this is as good as the Marv Albert sexcapades! They say when NBC gave Marv his pink slip, Marv was wearing a pink slip.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pmHe needs to resign, period.
Comment by Wayne — March 10, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Yeaaaah… but I ain’t holding my breath.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
Yeah, don’t ever hold your breath for any politician ( D or R ) to do the “Right Thing â„¢”, cause you might die, if you don’t pass out first.
Just think if you were actually waiting for Nancy to find a table…….
March 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pmIt doesnt matter.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
It shouldn’t to the degree that it does these days. But after close to 2 decades of uber-politicization of such behavior by the GOOP…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pmWere that at least prostitutes of the opposite sex?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pmComment by Wayne — March 10, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Geez, Wayne, you missed the Sanrk-fest last Thursday…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pmTrolls have every right to jump on this. Fortunately, they won’t get any arguments from the others here. If he’s guilty then he’s deserving of all that can be thrown.
If he’s innocent then I expect to see that reflected in the posts from the regulars. And the trolls will flip and flop and hem and haw like they usually do.
Good call Nevar, a democrat sex scandal. Refreshing in so far as a sex scandal can be.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pmSnark-Fest… Snark-fest… he meant to type.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pmIf this turns out to be true, and Elliot isn’t denying it so far, then I can only say I’m disappointed in Elliot.
Reformer, indeed…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pmWere “they” They! not that….
March 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pmSheesh!
naughty! Unless you have (R) after your name.
Impeachment proceedings in 4…3…2…1…
IOKIYAR
March 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pmHow disappointing.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:26 pmA guy with his profile involved with hookers???
Something is insane in his membrane and he needs to go.
‘As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.’
He was a bulldog of an AG in NY and generally well thought of. But, he’s been quite a disappointment as a governor with nothing but fighting and dirty tricks since he took office.
Sex is good. I think we can all agree on that.
But one would think that his judgment has been seriously called into play here…to put it mildly.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:26 pmSex is great. Everybody should have as much as possible. I dont blame him for dating escorts. NYC has lots of beautiful women.
At least he wasnt texting underage kids or caught in restrooms.
I say who cares. It doesnt matter.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
Man, did you ever consider running for Master of the Universe? Your Reality sounds like a good one to me…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pmDid Clinton know and when did she know?
If these are the people Clinton has as surrogates it is more of the same Clinton scandals.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pmI’m very curious to hear how Mr. Schumer will react to this.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pmEveryone is surprised a Dem is involved in a sex scandal for once. Faux is going to use a blinking “D†on their chyron to celebrate this “newsâ€.
Comment by Dr. Matt — March 10, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
yeah, but the prostitutes are probably card-carrying republicans.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pmI think he will be announcing that prostitution will, from here on out, be legal.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pmperfect Clinton exit strategy – Clinton should graciously withdraw her nomination to run for Gov of New York.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm2:15 in NYC? By now Elliot should have made his announcement.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pmHe should resign. But was he targetted by the DOJ like Seigelman in Ala was?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pmHe must enforce the laws and not personally violate them, a responsibility for which he is licensed, but I don’t want to come down too hard on him — at least not before the facts are completely known.
I do appreciate his honesty and not drawing this out. I also appreciate the fact that he was a classic New York AG, but today I’m disappointed.
If the Governor can recover from this, that’s fine, but this may cost him a second term.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pmThe problem with NY prostitution rings is that organized crime may be involved.
That’s my only beef here… I’m all for legal, regulated prostitution.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pmProstituion is one of those crimes which shouldn’t be, though given Spitzer’s former rhetoric on the subject, I’m willing to say he should be rightfully criticized.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pmthe trolls are going to have an ape-shit field-day about this one.
Wayne; got snark?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pmforcing women into prostitution is bad. free will in a free market is good.
Not everyone can get laid that easily, why not allow those who can’t get any, pay for it. Suppy and demand baby- that is the Capitalist way.
Regulate it, make it safe for men and women.
We are so repressed in this country, it is scary.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pmSure he’s a Democrat. But he’s an all holier than though, self righteous, spewer of ethics reform and look how squeaky clean I’m going to make everything. Usually somebody that hypocritical is a Republican.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pmDoes BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Dunno… has Vitter had his diapers changed yet?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pmComment by Your Conscience — March 10, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
That’s an interesting angle. Gov. Clinton. hmmmmmmmmmm
March 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pmLook at the slimy trolls! They finally found a topic they weren’t too embarrassed to comment on today. What, no comments on McCrazy?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pmGet off of it- THat was LEGAL, consensual sex. Sure, he cheated on his wife, but that is their personal, private business.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pmDoes BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
I know this is hard for you to understand being that you’ve never gotten one but BJs aren’t illegal. Prostitution is.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:38 pmDoes BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
does Tracy2 still give BJs?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:38 pmWas he caught having sex with Rudy?
That’s the only NY Mayor that comes to mind with hookers.
I know, I know, how can you say no to Rudy when he’s in a black, sleeveless evening gown with that beautiful face all made up…
barf
March 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pmHillary Clinton for New York Governor! Please spare the rest of us.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pmDon’t judge him until the facts are out. Innocent until proven guilty, unless he is actually about to admit guilt as the linked article suggests.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 2:30
Sure gigi, and you think the jury is still out on whether Larry Craig is gay don’t you?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:40 pmSex for money is legal in some states. So whats the problem here? Its not a felony.
Some people are busy and dont have time to schedule dating. Escorts fill that need.
This is like 1 notch worse than a speeding ticket. Its time we got over all this “SEX” mania.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:40 pmDoes BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Does the article mention Clinton?
You wouldn’t be attempting a lame assed “Clinton too” troll now would you… troll?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:41 pm“informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring.”
————————————-
“Involved”? That sounds like a teaser for the 11:00 news if I ever heard one. Involved as what? A customer? Part of the management structure? One of the workers? (that last one might be interesting).
I guess this means “stay tuned for the announcement.”
Assuming that he was one of the paying johns, I would hope that he would step down. Not because he goes out and engages in extramarital sex — as unsavory as that is, I’ve always believed that a person’s sex life should be private as long as it’s between consenting adults. Not so much because what he did is technically illegal (although I admit that is more problematic), because I would prefer that prostitution be legal and tightly regulated, as it is in Nevada.
No — it’s the hypocrisy that’s the issue here. Any elected official who publicly rails against prostitution while privately participating needs to be gone. No matter what political party they belong to.
And the hyprocrisy would be even more severe if his “involvement” turns out to be either managing the operation or taking graft money to keep quiet about it.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:41 pmRun Hillary Run. Governor of New York is a great stepping stone to the presidency. It almost worked for Rudy of course he IS willing to wear a dress.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pmHey Bill was given a free pass and he is the expert on this type of situation.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
I didn’t know Bill was an expert on prostitution. As far as anyone knows, he got all his sex for free.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pmSex for money is legal in some states. So whats the problem here? Its not a felony.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
It is only legal in one state, Nevada.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pmAnd in some states, yes it is a felony.
Hey Bill was given a free pass and he is the expert on this type of situation.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Sure tracy, getting impeached is the same as getting a free pass, dumbass.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pmHypocricy has no party….
only constituents.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pmComment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Free pass? Hardly, seeing the degree to which trolls such as this one bring it up every opportunity they get.
In retrospect, that would have to be one of the most expensive hummers in the history of the planet, thanks to GOOPer hypocrisy.
“Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr spent more than $6 million on the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the overall investigation of President
March 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pmClinton is becoming the most expensive in history, congressional
auditors reported yesterday… Starr’s expenditures totaled $6.2
million in the six months through last Sept. 30, up nearly 60 percent
from the $3.9 million in the previous six months, said the GAO
[General Accounting Office]. “
Sex for money is legal in some states. So whats the problem here? Its not a felony.
Some people are busy and dont have time to schedule dating. Escorts fill that need.
This is like 1 notch worse than a speeding ticket. Its time we got over all this “SEX†mania.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Governor Spitzer is married with children and prostitution is illegal in New York.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pmThe prostitution ring is under investigation for money laundering. Did Spitzer spend cash? And if so where did he get it?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:45 pmdemocrat party
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 10, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
What exactly is a “democrat party”?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:45 pmSee, missmolly, T2 gave up more info than it cares to admit there.
Clearly, T2 cannot IMAGINE not having to pay for sex…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:45 pmIt is sorry to see this happen to Spitzer. This seems to be the fate of many successful people. He should take his hits on this. Possibly resign. We are going to have to note his failings and he will have to pay the price. He is not as hypocritical as most of the Republicans who are involved in such scandals. He has gone after corporate crime, he has tried to help the little person and he has preached reform and ethics. He has not been setting himself up as the family’s value govenor and defender of traditional marriage. This is the primary difference between Democrats and Republicans under such circumstances.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm#58 – “Hey Bill was given a free pass and he is the expert on this type of situation.” Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Wow, Impeachment is a “free pass”???
I wonder if Pres. Bush will get a similar “free pass” for his lying the US into war? Or craping upon the Constitution?
If only. . . . .
March 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pmTracy’s right – Spitzer should’ve been more like an R and done it with men in bathrooms.
Righties would do well not to invite a recap of kinky politicians – we all know very well how many and of what kinds there are. Got Gannon??
It would take 10 million democrats working overtime for a century to put up the numbers the R’s have in the last 10 years.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pmThe trolls won’t get any defense from me. I know first hand his lack of ethics as AG and the prosecutorial abuse that he welcomed and condoned. Funny that any of the cases against Wall Street that actually went to trial (because neither the person nor the firm would bend to his abuse) ended up in the loss column for Mr. Ethics.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pmIt almost worked for Rudy
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
Are you sure?
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 10, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
Am I almost sure of what Gin Breath? Gee michael, your slip is showing.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pmSpeaking of having sex out of wedlock, if the trolls are going to trot out Clinton’s indiscressions, it’s only fair that we should mention that McCain was cheating on his first wife before he divorced her. Fair’s fair, right?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmSex for money is legal in some states. So whats the problem here? Its not a felony.
Some people are busy and dont have time to schedule dating. Escorts fill that need.
This is like 1 notch worse than a speeding ticket. Its time we got over all this “SEX†mania.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
he’s done as gov for the following reasons:
1.) it’s illegal in NY.
2.) he’s a hypocrit.
3.) he’s not a republican.
he’ll do the right thing.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmLook at the slimy trolls! They finally found a topic they weren’t too embarrassed to comment on today. What, no comments on McCrazy?
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Pop into the McCain-Teddy Roosevelt thread.
All kidding aside, while non-coerced prostitution SHOULDN’T be illegal, it is, and you can’t have the man charged with carrying out the laws violate them. He always seemed like a decent guy in the interview I saw him in, if this is true and someone has the goods on him I suspect he’ll resign, unlike the embarassment that is Larry Craig.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmHuge question~!~
Will Spitzer change his party affiliation to (R), so no one will notice?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pmthe nyt article says the link is his name on a client list. if he was a client than he should resign immediately.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pmSaying prostitution is illegal is just like saying speeding is illegal.
Sometimes men need something extra to keep them happy.
In Europe this would be a non – issue.
Why cant we be like the Europeans and accept the fact that humans need a lot of sex.
Lets celebrate sex, not criminalize it.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pmDoes BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
I’m glad republicans have their priorities straight, all these years later.
Former President Clinton is eligible to reapply for the law licenses he lost — in Arkansas and D.C. — and would therefore be eligible to apply in his current state of residence. To my knowledge, he has not done so.
I stand ready to be corrected.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pmSpitzer can just announce that he has converted to Republican, been saved by a right wing minister, and was only tempted by his association with evil liberals. IOKIYAR, the best defense.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pmLets celebrate sex, not criminalize it.
Comment by overlap — March 10, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
But… but… the GOOP would be forced to… run… on… their… RECORD at this point. OUCHY OUCH OUCH.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pmNo, I was just thinking that BJ Clinton could offer up his expert legal advise to Spitzer.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
Sure. That’s all. Nothing more. Right.
Maybe Spitzer should take his legal advise from Bush and create an executive signing statement to protect himself.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pmYou actually think that Bill only got only a BJ? BTW considering you are the expert at this activity, how would you know?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
We can joke about that issue, because it’s not meant to be taken serious. Any pointers on ending the Iraq war, and improving the condition of the economy to be beneficial to all?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI don’t remember Vitter resigning. How come Dems always have to play by a different set of rules than the Repubs?
And politicians like Vitter say “vote for me because I oppose the wrong type of sex and my opponent does not”. Spitzer did not campaign like that.
Americans sure do have a lot of hangups about sex.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:54 pmI say who cares. It doesnt matter.
Comment by overlap
It does matter because he campaigned on a platform of cleaning up prostitution and has in the past condemned prostitution. That makes him just as big a hypocrite as any Republican.
I agree with everyone else here, if this is true he needs to resign immediately. The Democratic party does not protect the people in their party who do wrong, unlike the Republican party who circles the wagon around every Republican suspected of wrong-doing.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:54 pmYou actually think that Bill only got only a BJ? BTW considering you are the expert at this activity, how would you know?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
I know that’s all Ken Starr accused him of. Why, did you give him more than that?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:54 pmif he was a client than he should resign immediately.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 10, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Why?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:55 pmWouldn’t you know it. Our resident idiot troll Tracy has to bring up Bill Clinton. It would be speechless if the name Bill Clinton was purged from it’s memory.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI cannot believe that people here (progressives no less) in support of prostitution — uh, hello, anyone hear of the proven abuse that goes on with human trafficking????
March 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pmGood call Nevar, a democrat sex scandal. Refreshing in so far as a sex scandal can be.
Comment by hellinabucket
Sheesh hellin…please don’t you do it too. It’s “a democratic sex scandal”.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:57 pmTracy Square-
This is about Spitzer, NOT Clinton… this has nothing to do with Bill Clinton who, as far as I know, has NEVER visited a prostitute. Do you have any evidence he ever did? Thought not- it doesn’t exist, if it did you Trolls would have dug it up years ago…
If you will notice, most posters are calling for Spitzers resignation… we are principled and moral and require our political leaders to be as well. Scandal is not unique to any one party, but that doesn’t mean we should excuse it. Cognitive dissonance and dupilicty, however, do seem to be unique to a political persuasion.
Considering you are the expert, how do you justify smearing the Clintons while ignoring our condemnation of Spitzer?
March 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pmI cannot believe that people here (progressives no less) in support of prostitution — uh, hello, anyone hear of the proven abuse that goes on with human trafficking????
Comment by NoMoreBush
Human trafficking is a far cry from prostitution. Prostitution is selling sex for money. Human trafficking is kidnapping and false imprisonment to sell sex.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmWas he screwing Ted Haggard?
On Meth?
He was???
OK, then he’s qualified to be head of the Christian Fundamentalists.
Funny how that works…
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI cannot believe that people here (progressives no less) in support of prostitution — uh, hello, anyone hear of the proven abuse that goes on with human trafficking????
Comment by NoMoreBush — March 10, 2008 @ 2:56
I don’t know what you’re reading but it sure looks like most people here are saying he should resign immediately.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI stand (actually sit at my computer) corrected. How could I have left the ic(k) out of this democratic sex scandal. thanks for the spot check bhb.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmDamn it…speaking as both a Democrat and a constituent who voted for Spitzer, in spite of being a die-hard political cynic (I always say that when people vote, they choose the candidate who tells them what they want to hear and not necessarily the one who tells them the truth), I still hoped against hope that he would prove himself to be a rara avis and live up to his promise to return ethics to Albany. Unfortunately, he’s been disappointing on that score so far — and after this latest incident, he needs to do the honorable thing and step down. That’s the only way that he can hope to set himself apart from other politicians who have been uncovered as being corrupt — he should publicly acknowledge his culpability, accept the consequences of his actions and voluntarily resign his seat.
March 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pmDid he resign? If you guys are going to demand that Spitzer resign, if proven true, it was almost certainly consentual, then Bill did get a free pass.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Prostitution is illegal in New York State. Consensual sex is not illegal in Washington, D.C. D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D N O W ?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pmComment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Who’s “Liewnsky”??
March 10th, 2008 at 3:03 pmDid he resign? If you guys are going to demand that Spitzer resign, if proven true, it was almost certainly consentual, then Bill did get a free pass.
Comment by Tracy2
This ignorant troll can’t see the difference. Bill Clinton did not run for office on a platform of cleaning up blow jobs. And he did not spend his time in office condemning blow jobs.
The reason why most people think that Spitzer should resign is because of the hypocrisy between what he advocated as a politician and what he did in private (if this is indeed what this is all about).
So perhaps this troll can tell us why the Republiscum party didn’t call for Vitter to resign?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:03 pmLOL! Clinton, Spitzer, JFK, Ted Kennedy,…
Womanizers and democrats all.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:00 pm
That’s right, you prefer your politicians to be pedophiles and homosexuals or just plain kinky. Like Craig, Foley, Vitter oh and why did Denny Hastert have to resign?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:03 pmD O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D N O W ?
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 3:00 pm
Again, Shayne… T2 is confused because it can’t imagine NOT having to pay for sex.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pmWhat’s “consentual”???
March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmLOL! Reagan, Gingrich, Guiliani, McCain, Vitter, …
Womanizers and republicans all.
LOL! Frank M, Tracy2, Guiliani, Coulter, …
Wanna-be women and republicans all.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmI guess I missed Rudy’s term as Governor of NY!
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
Oops, I guess you’re right, michael.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmSex is good and Americans should have a lot more of it in a responsible way. If they guy didn’t run on a reform platform I’d say so what too due to the fact there were no under age boys or girls involved.
O well, who’ll replace him?
Thx
March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmBe a little careful about this. Note that the headlines all say that he was “involved” with a prostitution ring. I think he was merely a customer of the ring. A fairly big distinction. Did we hear the Vitter was involved in the prostitution racket? The phrasing makes it sound like Spitzer was actively participating in running or financing the ring. I wonder if the same phrasing would be used for a Republican, don’t you?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pmAgain, Shayne… T2 is confused because it can’t imagine NOT having to pay for sex.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
Yeah, like T2 can afford to pay for sex on his troll pay. That’s why he’s confused, he doesn’t even know what a BJ is.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pmWell Larry Flynt, democrat party leader, said we would be shocked at who was next.
And Hillary must be glad she begged for that endorsement.
Comment by Rodham Gin
Wow, this troll has really gone off the rails. Who knew that Larry Flint was a “democratic party leader”? Could it get any stupider if it tried?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmPoor Tracy2, the jealousy shines through her posts. She wanted to blow Clinton but had to resort to sucking the stains on a blue dress.
Such jealousy will only only fester in your mind Tracy2, let it go.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmSo did he just pay or was he running a ring from the mansion? If it was a personal thing not interfering with his job whose business is it other than his wife ?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmLiewnsky didn’t get her jobs as an intern on merit. Please!
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Do you really want a list of the republican representatives and appointees that did not obtain their position on merit? This list starts with Bush.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmMcCain was cheating on his first wife before he divorced her.
Then he married the one he was cheating with…can it happen again for Johnny Wad McPain?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pmOh, well for me at least this is different. I know it’s none of my business but if this type of stuff hurts the spouse (and usually it does) then morally he should resign. If it didn’t hurt the spouse and they like that type of thing (you never know) then it’s all of their business.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm#116: Nonsense. Reagan, Gingrich, Guiliani, McCain, Vitter,… none of them are womanizers.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Apparently, Frank M agrees with the second half of my post! :-D
Oh, and Frank, none of those republicanics followed the “one man, one woman” rule for marriage.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pmNah. He doesn’t need to resign.
He just needs to change the (D) after his name to an (R), then he needs to go on the teevee on FUX Snooze, blubber just a teensy bit and tell *everyone* how Jesus has forgiven him.
That ought to earn him at least ONE standing ovation. Ya think??
March 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm: Nonsense. Reagan, Gingrich, Guiliani, McCain, Vitter,… none of them are womanizers.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
I guess you don’t remember that Reagan was charged with date rape by a young actress when he was President of the Screen Actors Guild. McCain and Guiliani weren’t womanizers. Both admit to having extramarital affairs both left their old wives for the new girlfriend. What do you think a womanizer is?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pm#116: Nonsense. Reagan, Gingrich, Guiliani, McCain, Vitter,… none of them are womanizers.
Comment by Frank M
And now francine drives off the rails. Ginrich not a womanizer, even though he was boinking someone on his staff while criticizing Clinton. Then there is also the inconvenient fact that he left his very sick wife for the women he was boinking. Then we have Guiliani who was boinking his current wife in the Governors mansion while his wife was living there. I think that’s a classic womanizer. Vitter was probably not a womanizer. Womanizers don’t have to pay to have sex with someone who is not his wife. And finally we have McCain who left his first wife who waited for him for years while he was in captivity for the young, rich hottie he was boinking. Nope, none of them are womanizers.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pmFrank M., what does the M. stand for? Myopic? Mental Midget? Missguided? Enquiring minds want to know.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pmI wonder if the same phrasing would be used for a Republican, don’t you?
Comment by JMOHR
That is a very astute observation. They never said that Vitter was “linked to a prostitution ring” even though he visited a prostitute from a notorious prostitution ring. If it does turn out that he simply visited prostitutes, this will be proof positive that the “liberal media” is a myth of the neoCONS.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pmcomment by frankie @ 3:00
Rudy Ghouliani, Newt Gingrich, and John McJowls all married & dumped their wives for their mistresses.
Womanizers and Repugs all.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pmAnd even if they were, what does it matter. It’s just the dems who keep getting caught in act.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Really, sure seems like Vitter got caught with his diapers down around his knees. And you’ll be hearing plenty about McCains philandering, how he repeated cheated on the loyal wife who stuck by him when he was a POW and who he finally left when he found his trophy wife with money, Cindy. All the details of McCain will be available to you before you know it. Hope you enjoy them.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pmSo do you think that FAUX news will put a R or D after his name?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pm#116: And even if they were, what does it matter. It’s just the dems who keep getting caught in act.
Comment by Frank M
Another off the rails comment by the idiot troll Francine. Perhaps it can name some of the other Democrats who have been caught in a sex scandal recently. I can name numerous Republicans who have been. So Francine, put up or shut up.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pmOK trollies Spitzer resigned. Is McCain going to quit running for president now?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pmBill Clinton and Spitzer only hurt their wives and children—not exactly the equal of an illegal war killing over one million people, costing us $3 Trillion, and increasing terrorism.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pmWhat do you think a womanizer is?
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Clearly, Frankie doesn’t know…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pmComment by Dr. Matt — March 10, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
OK trolls, any response to Dr. Matt’s list. I believe he has more than this if you need it.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm#116: And even if they were, what does it matter. It’s just the dems who keep getting caught in act.
Comment by Frank M — March 10, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
A classic example of conservative thinking. Illegal, immoral, and hypocritical behavior is perfectly OK unless you get caught. And even then, IOKIYAR.
By the way, I don’t remember Vitter, Foley, Bob Allen, or Craig switching to the Democratic party.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pmI think that an Iraq solution, i.e. a stable political Iraq will have a drastic effect on the U.S. economy.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
You sure don’t know much about economics, either.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pmThis is now on the NYT:
ALBANY – Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a person briefed on the federal investigation.
So, it does look like his “link” is the fact that he hired a prostitute. That is a “link” if you are a Democrat and a forgivable sin if you are a Republican. The hypocrisy is simply breathtaking.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pmWow, this troll has really gone off the rails. Who knew that Larry Flint was a “democratic party leader� Could it get any stupider if it tried?
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 10, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Nice catch, Bilbo. Some trolls leave so many droppings that it takes a whole crew to clean it all up.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:20 pmUse of a prostitute may be hypocritical, certainly not legal and something that should be used to evaluate a person’s fitness in an election. However, it usually is not considered to be a matter of public corruption. Read they following from the NYT article:
“The Times reported that a person with knowledge of the governor’s role believes the governor is identified as a client in court papers. Four people allegedly connected to a high-end prostitution ring called Emperors Club VIP were arrested last week. …
The case is being handled by prosecutors in the Public Corruption unit of U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia’s office. Garcia spokeswoman Yusill Scribner said the office had no comment. ”
I wonder if the DoJ is now actively using its public corruption units to target Democratic officeholders by looking for any possible crime on which to go after them. Note the significantly higher prosecution of Democratic officeholders on the state level than Republican officeholders. Curious Huh?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:20 pmLove your post’s today Shayne and other’s…Hummm…Well if “it” were legalized, monatered and taxed as it shoud be like all business there woulden’t be a problem….Nevada has a good working plan, eliminate’s a lot of problem’s, namely rape’s I hear…
As to polatician’s that are so called womanizer’s….LOL…I would much prefer the old day’s to the present murderious administration that is killing hundred’s of thousand’s of innocent men, women, children here and over there for their “love of money and death to the masses”…
Remember the troll’s are getting paid so much per post…Ya want to get them where they live?….Don’t respond at all , their pay check dries up and the go away…..Blessings
March 10th, 2008 at 3:20 pm143 – Awwww, now, Shayne, come on!
Sure John McCain was already married! That doesn’t matter! He’s a Republican! And Cindy wasn’t a PROSTITUTE….that’s different. She was a very nice (very RICH) girl, and ol’ Johnny just lost his heart.
Soooooooooo romantic!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:21 pmI cannot believe that people here (progressives no less) in support of prostitution — uh, hello, anyone hear of the proven abuse that goes on with human trafficking????
Comment by NoMoreBush — March 10, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
Is prostitution the same thing as human trafficking?
No, it’s not. The two activities are sometimes connected, but if prostitution (consensual sex for money) were legal and regulated, human trafficking would have no illicit trade to supply.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pmWhy?
Comment by Keith — March 10, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
good question. i’ll try to answer. my libertarian side tells me that prostitution is a victimless crime and should not be outlawed. controlled and regulated yes, and kept private between customer and provider too. however at the moment it is illegal. and if you’ve sworn to uphold and enforce the law as spitzer has done both as attorney general and as governor then you must first do so first by example. if spitzer has failed in this task then he must resign. it is the right and honorable thing to do in a very dishonorable situation.
it’s a shame. up to this point he was a good public servant.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pmHell no…it was not sex with boys or men! It was not in the restroom, f%ck Vitter and his cronies…stay and play. Screw every whore in NYC, who cares. To the republicans it is just showing true family values…way to go Elliot! Stay in office and piss on everyone at Fox taht will start to do their famous double standards!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pmprostitution is to human trafficking as participating in a bar fight is to starting a war and occupation of a foreign policy under false pretenses
March 10th, 2008 at 3:25 pmI wonder if the DoJ is now actively using its public corruption units to target Democratic officeholders by looking for any possible crime on which to go after them. Note the significantly higher prosecution of Democratic officeholders on the state level than Republican officeholders. Curious Huh?
Comment by JMOHR
Without a doubt. And since they now have the ability to wiretap anyone they want in the USA, I can see where there will be more and more of this happening.
It’s time for Larry Flint to step up to the plate and hand over all the politicians he has outed. He is very quiet these days. I wonder if he was wiretapped too and they have something on him.
These people (the Republicans and their ilk) are the scum of the earth. I can’t wait until Obama takes office and I can start feeling clean again.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pmComment by joe cantwell — March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
Extremely NON-libertarian answer. If Spitzer were going 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, would he also be forced to resign?
Did you call for Vitter to resign? I’ll bet not.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pmNo, his Arkansas law license was suspended for lying under oath and obstructing justice.
Comment by good_golly
Of course the troll left out the fact that it was temporarily suspended and he qualifies for reinstatement. He just hasn’t done it because he is no longer practicing law. So, the point of this was?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pmWell, it looks as if he’s going to retain a lot of credibility by resigning.
Memo to Larry Craig: This is an example of how a public official respects his/her constituents, by admitting their mistakes and admitting they’re no longer capable of serving them best.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm#102 — I guess my point is that prostitution and human traficking go hand in glove and, even when they do not, it is proven that in most cases there is abuse. Now perhaps if it were legalized, it could be regulated. Chicken -egg I guess.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pmAnd now francine drives off the rails.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 10, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
bilbo, that implies that Frank was ever on the rails to begin with. In my experience Frank has never been traveling on anything but a rutted dirt path, carved through the woods to a cul de sac that never got built.
And he frequently stops to bathe in the gigantic mud puddles that dot his path.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pmWrote the last comment before the second update. Don’t know what to think now…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pmThey had to get a federal wiretap? The R’s must of been watching him real close looking for anything to nail him on.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pmNo, his Arkansas law license was suspended for lying under oath and obstructing justice.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Another myth. A federal judge very specifically ruled that he was NOT GUILTY of either. How do you explain a good number of Republican senators voting NOT GUILTY???
March 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pmThis is now on the NYT:
ALBANY – Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a person briefed on the federal investigation.
Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 10, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
bilbo, any idea what ever happened with the investigation into the “high-priced prostitute” ring at the Watergate a while back, y’know — the investigation that nailed Duke Cunningham and Brent Wilkes?
What are the chances that this federal wiretap chose not to make a case until they caught a Democrat?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pmWas the first update an AP feed on Fox news, or was it some wingnut writer?
If comes from Faux news, it must be true.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:33 pmOddly enough the evidence on Spitzer appears to have been gathered by wiretaps.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmThere’s no way Hillary would run for Gov of NY. She end up losing to much money. Govs don’t make as much as Senators do they?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pmcomment by Shayne @ 3:34 pm
No doubt under the ‘terrorist surveillance program.”
March 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pmExtremely NON-libertarian answer. If Spitzer were going 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, would he also be forced to resign?
Did you call for Vitter to resign? I’ll bet not.
Comment by Keith — March 10, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
you’re right i didn’t.
vitter’s a republican and therefore i didn’t expect him to do the right thing.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pmElliot, I don’t care much about banning prostitution, only increasing protection from STDs, but you are in office to enforce and not give yourself a free pass from abiding by any law in effect. I think you need to reconsider your decision and set a date to resign, one reasonable for the people of New York and your family.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pm#163 – There is quite a difference one is voluntary and the other is slavery. America is so backward in many of our laws, other countries and Las Vegas manage just fine to supply a demand with those who WANT TO SUPPLY.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pmYou do realize you name is an oxymoron…don’t you?
Comment by Tracy2
It does realize that it is a moron doesn’t it?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Wasn’t it for “contempt of court”? It is only in your mind that he was found guilty of perjury or obstruction of justice! This did not happen in reality. I don’t care if Jack Cafferty does say it every other day—it is NOT true.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pmPerhaps now would be a good time to remind the Republicans that in a short while the Democrats will have all those wiretapping abilities at their disposal. Along with the Department of Justice.
Turnabout is fair play and revenge can be sweet. But, I do hope that the Democrats maintain their moral high ground and don’t stoop to the tactics of the Republicans.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pm#168
Who the hell is Tracy2 to insuate that Christians cannot be liberals? Or, does Tract2’s version of Christianity omit the parts about compassion for the less fortunate and the call to be good stewards of the environment. Or most importantly the admonishment against judging others.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pmThat’s why he didn’t step down.
Comment by Southern Man — March 10, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
Huh? Can anybody here translate Gibberish?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pmWhy are conservatives obsessed with other people having sex ? Good grief get a grip.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pmHis wife threatened to kill him, again. That’s why he didn’t step down.
Comment by Southern Man — March 10, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
the connection between your wife threatening to kill you (again) and not stepping down is…?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pmwith other people having sex ? Good grief get a grip.
Comment by texaslady — March 10, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Because “getting a grip” is the closest most of them come to having sex…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pmLet us not forget the largest terrorest’s in the world are now in our present administration……Warmonger’s all….Blessings
March 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pmHiya #1 and Leftside Annie. Aren’t you guys relieved to know that Republicans are using that wiretapping Bush is so protective of to keep us safe from politicians hiring protitutes?
And you’re right LA, McCain is just a hopeless romantic. But what about those other women he was boinking before he met Cindy with the rich daddy?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pmHuh? Can anybody here translate Gibberish?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
i can.
nurse: time for you barium enema!
southern man: get away from me you bloody leprechauns!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:42 pmIt’s a common theme with ALL politicians. Why are you suprised?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
WTF? You brought up getting a job without merit. Of course, you, being an asswipe, were referring to other merits. I’m not surprised.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm#180 — you may want to look at the Nevada situation — lots of organized crime and drugs tied to legalized prostitution. I really don’t want to get into an argument whether it should be legal or illegal — there are good arguments for legalizing it and the libertarian part of me says that, as long as you are not hurting anyone else, so what. The problem is that often you are hurting someone else. Just my 2 cents.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pmRS – I stuck my foot into that one… hey make it legal, have health checks, and pay taxes…wow that would pay off the war debt in quick time.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pmYou do realize you name is an oxymoron…don’t you?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
You do realize you are a moron don’t you?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pmIs the reason for Holland and Denmark’s low rates of violence their liberal attitudes towards sex?
And vice versa for the US?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:45 pmNMB – what isn’t tied into drugs and crime ? Our lovely government has been using money from drugs since Poppy Bush or maybe before. So, again, make it safe, pay taxes and it is voluntary so no crime I see.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pmIs the reason for Holland and Denmark’s low rates of violence their liberal attitudes towards sex?
And vice versa for the US?
Comment by Keith — March 10, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
i’m sure it is.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pmGreat! More peepee doodoo! Tune in to Fox now! Inquiring minds want to know!
March 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pmLet’s not forget the godfather of womanizers….JFK.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
I suppose that’s why George H. W. Bush felt justified in being involved in his assassination, right. When a Democrat cheats it’s punishable by death to Republicans. Of course when pappy Bush got caught with his pants down he shipped his “girlfriend” out of the country so she couldn’t talk.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmNonsense. Reagan, Gingrich, Guiliani, McCain, Vitter,… none of them are womanizers. — Frank M
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BULL! As in 100%, Grade-A bovine excrement!
You obviously haven’t ever lived here in New York City. Anyone who was living here while Giuliani was mayor could tell you that Rudy and his current wife were carrying on an extramarital affair while he was still married to his second wife, Donna Hanover — one so blatant that they did just about everything short of shouting it from the rooftops. To really put the icing on the proverbial cake, he didn’t even bother to tell Ms. Hanover of his intentions to separate from her before the press conference at which he made the announcement a matter of public record. If you want to know why his children Andrew and Caroline are estranged from him…well, this is at least part of the reason why, because of the way he treated their mother.
And that’s not all…Giuliani and Ms. Hanover started living together in 1982 before he was officially before he was officially divorced from his first wife, Regina Peruggi. I think you’ll find it hard to convince anyone that they were abstaining from sex while they were living together. So let’s see…we have a man who cheats on his first wife, moves in with his mistress before his divorce is finalized, marries her but eventually cheats on her with someone else, and lets his second wife find out that he’s leaving via a press conference. In my lexicon, such a man more than deserves the epithet “womanizer”. And this is someone who belongs to the party which claims to believe in “family values”…!!!!
All hail Tutenkamun, King of Denial…
March 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmNice List Dr. Hussein Matt.
Francine, chew on that. And swallow, don’t spit.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pmComment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Everybody in the world knows that Clinton MISLED by using the prosecutors’ definition of sexual relations. He was NEVER found guilty of perjury nor obstruction of justice as you claim. I shall ask you again: Was the reason for suspension of his law license “contempt of court”? Your two quotes do not run together, but are totally different. You are misleading and should be impeached.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pmTexasLady — Yes, I get that part of the argument that brings it from being underground etc. Interestingly enough, the Dutch, who have had legalized prostitution for some time, are experiencing high rates of crime in the redlight district of Amsterdam, so much that they are Disneyfying it. So, if the Dutch can’t handle it, how can we possibly? But, I get the legalization conceptually, I don’t think it works all that well in practice.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pmYou do realize you name is an oxymoron…don’t you?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
No. Since I AM patriotic, a liberal, and a Christian then the term oxymoron is disproved. Which simply leaves the conclusion that you are a moron breathing oxygen.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pmNMB – The days of women having no choice is over…thankfully.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pmAs for drugs…lets spend more for rehab rather than supposedly stopping the influx. And that means on “legal” drugs that are addictive. Give those addicted a chance to get clean.
Then Bill needs to get back in the saddle again….quickly!
Comment by Tracy2
Why should he? Perhaps he is no longer interested in practicing law.
Can anyone tell me what Bill Clinton’s license to practice law has to do with Elliott Spitzer?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pmconclusion about PLC….specifically.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
Care to elaborate?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pm#172
Comment by Shayne — March 10, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
You know Hillary is just setting herself up for her new job! She got to have a backup plan even if it does involve being demoted.
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Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Keep it up, idiot, you’re this close to getting booted out of here.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:58 pmFlag the little troll Tracy for making false accusations all over the place. Maybe he’ll get kicked out for a couple of weeks.
March 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pmQuestion…Is the T2 male or female?….Confusing to me since it sound’s like it is upset with any one getting any ummmmm…Just wondering….Blessings
March 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pmSince there is another Spitzer thread, I feel free to use the rest of this one for a little troll whacking with Tracy2.
I ask again, Tracy, would you care to elaborate on how you concluded that my screen name is an oxymoron? Or are you simply going to hit and run?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:02 pmYou sure are sensitive little man.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
What is your problem? Are 10 years old?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:03 pmwow – somebody whips their weiner out and we’ve got a 200+ post thread in no time at all.
go figure.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:03 pmTracy?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:08 pmI hear you breathing that oxygen.
Tracy?
Post 222?
Which simply leaves the conclusion that you are a moron breathing oxygen.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — March 10, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Wouldn’t that read better as “a moron WASTING oxygen”, PLC?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pmIn your quest to provoke a fight, you made youself look very stupid, as usual.
Comment by Southern Man — March 10, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
Just an unsuccessful attempt on joe’s part to lower himself to your level.
Frankly, he’d need a diving bell to do that.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:11 pmTracy, do you care to really elaborate, not just repeat yourself? Here’s a debate hint: tell me HOW the terms “patriotic”, “liberal”, and “Christian” do not go together logically, thus being a term deserving the description “oxymoron”. Then, perhaps, we can get to how I “don’t talk like one” and determine whether you mean “patriotic”, “liberal”, or “Christian” and exactly what I have posted is antithetical to any of those traits that I claim for myself, without, by the way, need of your permission or approval.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm#231 – Tracy2 – Surely you can find someone other than Bill Clinton to continually bring up no matter what the subject matter is.
NoMoreBush – Just read up on Netherlands crime. The crime is being brought in by East Europeans and Russians. Again, things were doing fine until the drug bosses wanted more. Sound like an administration we know ?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pmPlease post a like to your National Enquirer information. Are you also on board with the 9/11 attacks being and inside U.S. government job? I think you alien friends need to come pick you up.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
You’re not making any sense, even for an idiot T2. Please correct your grammar to make coherent sentences so people can respond to you better.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pmTracy, when you free lance, you’re on your own. Would you like to debate this now, admit you were wrong, or debate this later? I will remember. I don’t let go of this issue.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pmHey Dickless Tracy too, I want my oxygen back, stop breathing.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pmBill has had very relevant experience in the situation that Spitzer now finds himself.
Comment by Tracy2
Bill Clinton was caught going to a prostitute? Wow, this idiot troll knows something none of the rest of us know. Who would have thunk it?
March 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pmFast forward to him getting caught with whores, it has been rumored that she threatened to kill him if he steps down. You see Joe, she is embarassed. Just like Hillary was embarassed, Mrs. Vitter is as well, and probably giving Sen. Vitter the same advice Hillary gave Bill.
Comment by Southern Man
Ok this troll is making absolutely no sense. If Mrs. Vitter was embarrassed by what her husband had done, it would make sense for her to encourage him to resign and get out of the limelight. Refusing to resign simply keeps him in the limelight as is happening right here.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pmRUCerious
There seems to be more oxygen available. I think the moron left. I’m of a mixed mind about that. I really like to take on the p-l-c issue.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pmSex with women? Wow, how refreshing….
Oh yeah, he’s not a Republican.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:39 pmComment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
PLC speaks the truth. Try to familiarize yourself with the concept.
And stop whining!
March 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pmThis wasn’t a very Christian thing to say.
Comment by Tracy2
Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pmTracy,
March 10th, 2008 at 4:48 pmAll Patriots were liberal.
Not all Patriots were Christian, Jefferson for example was a Deist; however, most Patriots were Christan.
Tracy, since you only responded to the first half of my post at 3:05, you must be most upset with that. It is not unChristian to point out that these republicanic leaders engaged in extramarital affairs. As for the second half of my post, maybe the “wanna-be women” part was a bit non-Christian but it is not un-Christian as Christ called the Pharisees out on their hypocrisy by calling them snakes, vipers, and fools. So, I amend my post to be more Christ-like as follows:
LOL! Frank M, Tracy2, Guiliani, Coulter, …
Hypocrites, vipers, and fools – and republicans all.
BTW, “Christian” does not mean “perfect”, at least to a those of us who are not arrogant, holier-than-thou, Christian Pharisees. I frequently admit and apologize for my wrongs.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:48 pmUm, is it my imagination, or have our trolls taken an extra hit of stupid today…?
I mean, come ON – David Vitter didn’t resign because his wife threatened to kill him….?!?
Good grief. That’s a whole extra-crispy bucket o’ stupid right there.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pmAnd Tracy, it wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that your comments were thoroughly trounced by me and others that you got on your high-horse and tried to attack us personally? Your “oxymoron” comment came almost a half hour after my 3:05 post, after your nonsense about sexscapades being solely a Democratic problem was completely debunked.
March 10th, 2008 at 4:59 pmTracy2 – to use an old cliche: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
In other words, you are not a Christian, Tracy, or you’d be changing YOUR judgemental, abusive behavior to conform with Jesus’ teachings.
You and your evil kind have claimed “Christianity” as your sole province for far too long.
Now, we’re taking it back. Deal with it.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pmAnd Tracy, are you a Christian? If so, then I wonder why you continue to pour salt into Clinton’s wounds (both of them) rather than forgive them? If not, why do you get to comment on my Christianity?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:02 pmAnd Tracy, how would you characterize your first post of this thread:
Does BJ Clinton still have his law license?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
insulting?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:06 pmname-calling?
“Tracy” apparently has an Irish derivation and means “fighter”. I guess Tracy2’s name is not an oxymoron. Of course, it doesn’t necessarily mean “fair fighter”.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pmIt must be spring! All the holier-than-thou folks have emerged from their sleep.
March 10th, 2008 at 5:16 pmyou namesake doesn’t reflect your posts?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Wrong use of the word “namesake”, but hey, this one hasn’t made a real point all day.
Time ta start flagging, folks?
March 10th, 2008 at 5:16 pmGotta wonder if DicklessTracyToo is enamored of the Manwhore concept in Male Gigolo!
March 10th, 2008 at 5:19 pmTracy-
March 10th, 2008 at 6:22 pmNo one needs to rebut your article because it is immaterial- it has no bearing on the present case… Spitzer- if you forgotten by now, we are discussing Elliot Spitzer…
There’s also nothing in that article about how Monica got her internship in the first place, no matter what T2 tries to infer.
The article is also 10 years old.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:25 pmAnd I too know many Christian like yourself who are hypocrites. BTW have you ever condemned you fellow liberal posters for their vile comments? If so please do give an example or two. How about in this thread?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
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vile comments are meaningless to vile rightwing scum like you. There are no comments vile enough for immoral warmongering cowards like you.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:27 pmFo the same reason I guess why you continually bash on Bush….you a sinner….just as I am.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
Bush is a mass-murderer, and should be swinging from a gallows. You’re not just a sinner, you’re a traitor.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:28 pm“President Clinton will leave office free of the prospect of criminal charges after he admitted Friday that he knowingly gave misleading testimony about his affair with Monica Lewinsky in a 1998 lawsuit. â€
“Under an agreement with Independent Counsel Robert Ray, Clinton’s law license will be suspended for five years and he will pay a $25,000 fine to Arkansas bar officials. He also gave up any claim to repayment of his legal fees in the matter. In return, Ray will end the 7-year-old Whitewater probe that has shadowed most of Clinton’s two terms.â€
http://archives.cnn.com/ 2001/ ALLPOLITICS/ stories/ 01/ 19/ clinton.lewinsky/
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Pretty much proved Keith’s point, gg. You really need remedial reading classes.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pmHow did you get, “the connection between your wife threatening to kill you (again)†from my above post? In your quest to provoke a fight, you made youself look very stupid, as usual.
Comment by Southern Man — March 10, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
You’re the one looking very stupid, SM, with your rash assumptions based on nothing but your head up your ass.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:30 pmTracy
March 10th, 2008 at 6:31 pmIf morals are not realitive from where might they arise?
Of course the Leftist troll left out the fact that Clinton’s license to practice law was temporarily suspended FOR FIVE YEARS, and that he does not “qualify for reinstatement,†but rather, he qualifies TO APPLY FOR REINSTATEMENT. Reinstatement is not automatic.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
and of course, you were still wrong.
March 10th, 2008 at 6:31 pmPlease post a like to your National Enquirer information. Are you also on board with the 9/11 attacks being and inside U.S. government job? I think you alien friends need to come pick you up.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
I’m sure that a competent president not in bed with terrorists would have easily prevented 9/11. Your point?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:32 pmtracy just digs him some vicarious tittilation –
that’s not just kinky, it’s….
freeky deeky
March 10th, 2008 at 7:04 pmMorals for the most part are absolute.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
That is odd. “For the most part” Seems sort of realitive. The ones you think are sort of absolute, from where do they arrive?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:50 pmMorals for the most part are absolute.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
Morals are for the most part personal… the term refers to a person’s inner compass for guiding behavior and it is by no means absolute.
What we have here is an ethical violation- Ethics are rules that society agrees on to guide behavior.
Mr. Spitzer may have no moral objection to patronizing prostitutes and just because you or I might that doesn’t compel him to change his MORAL code. But as a public figure and a crusader against prostitution Mr. Spitzer had an ETHICAL obligation NOT to patronize prostitutes… and it appears he failed… just as Mr. Bush had an ETHICAL obligation to reveal that not all the intelligence he was receiving pointed to Iraq possessing WMD’s… wait, that’s off topic?
March 10th, 2008 at 7:54 pmI thought we were allowed to bring up a President’s ethical lapses whenever convenient Tracy. Doesn’t that fit right in with your moral code?
BTW Tracy- the first post is EXTREMELY on topic…
March 10th, 2008 at 8:01 pmPS did you read Clarke’s book yet?
I read “The Cell” and I have to say, Clarke’s take impressed me as more authoratative… since he was the Anti-terrorism expert and all.
Most common morals have been shared by may civilizations thru out human history. I don’t think I need to spell them out….do I?
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
You may have to, yes. As slavery was pretty universally accepted by most civilizations throughout human history, I find it morally objectionable and ethically indefensible…
The Victorian English had little problem with married men visiting prostitutes, neither did the Han dynasty in China, neither did most of human civilization come to think of it, I also find it morally objectionable but hey, that’s just me….
March 10th, 2008 at 8:08 pmYes yes you do if you wish but I have not asked you to list the morals you wish to claim are absolute or those you think are not. I asked from where these alleged moral absolutes arise. How have our morals been degraded in your own subjective view? Do you think the changing morality which evolved as related to environmental stewardship. gender equity, racial equality, and labor rights have been a set back to the “good old days”? How ’bout some of that biblical stuff. You know the sacrifices, honor killing, and all. Good stuff gone by the wayside?
March 10th, 2008 at 8:12 pmThose which we all share, or most of do, is what makes the U.S. a country of laws able to withstand any BS moral relativism that some what us all to be subjects to. It’s a rejected practice.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
Again, you are referring to ethics, not morals.
March 10th, 2008 at 8:14 pmSee #290 for a response to the idea that relativism and rationalizing are a new concept.
I am working on it but it’s very hard to read something that is so blantantly partisian.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
Clarke is a Republican appointed by Reagan- how is that blatantly partisan? Or did you mean biased to the right?
March 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pmI believe the claim was “most”
March 10th, 2008 at 8:21 pmBelac – how convenient that he has to get supper right when he called Clarke “blantantly partisian”!
lol
March 10th, 2008 at 8:21 pmWhy do some men pay for what they can get for FREE — especially from their wives?
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/back-to-new-york-governor-elliot.html#links
March 10th, 2008 at 8:51 pmWhy do some men pay for what they can get for FREE — especially from their wives?
Comment by KYJurisDoctor — March 10, 2008 @ 8:51 pm
To paraphrase Bill Clinton — because they can.
BTW, there ain’t no such thing as free.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pmBTW, there ain’t no such thing as free.
Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
True enough. I may be cheap but I’m not free
March 10th, 2008 at 9:50 pmActually, The death penalty, or as I call it state sanctioned murder, remains ethically acceptable to most people in this culture and in most civilizations throughout history. As does theft, in the form of state sanctioned usury rates at money lenders and eminent domain for developers, both of which have recently been declared legal and ethical by our Supreme Court- yet I find both morally objectionable.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pmI’m curious as to what you believe is the degradation of our “morals” (sic) since (most) murder and theft are sanctioned… I fear what you mean is acceptance of homosexuality and other alternative lifestyles. The sad news for you is that those are also things that have long been not only considered moral but also ethical. For examples see the Romans, the Greeks, etc.
So the Vatican thinks failure to properly steward the planet is immoral. So would environmental ethics be one of those absolute morals or one of those BS PS realitive morals? Careful on this one, considering what the punishment for sloathism used to be back in those morally righteous “good old days”
March 10th, 2008 at 10:36 pmThe point is, tracy2, that the difference between what I find morally objectionable and what you find morally objectionable can be huge… that doesn’t mean that either of us is fundamentally wrong or even ethically challenged. There can be serious disagreements about matters of morals that don’t rise to the level of an ethical crisis… I eat meat but I know several principled vegetarians and vegans, I can even see the point they raise ethically, I just haven’t incorporated that into my own unique moral structure yet.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pmI may someday, that doesn’t mean that my morals are slipping or that I am any more subject to moral ‘relativism’ than I was before… all morals are relative. All ethics are relative, we often agree on what we find objectionable and wrong, but that doesn’t make morals and ethics any less relative…
If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies (This is my body, which is for you… This is my blood, which is for you…) taken out of context it’s rather disturbing, isn’t it?
That’s why it’s so important to try to understand other people’s morals in context, to try and relate- see, it’s not so bad to be relative…
If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies
Comment by belac — March 10, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
and they sure as hell are gonna be confused by the idea that an overgrown rodent might control global weather patterns.
belac is a thoughtful and moral individual
March 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pmaww… thanks dbadass… and thank you too mary…
March 11th, 2008 at 11:49 amI could easily say that simply putting someone in prison and depriving them of their freedom is cruel and inhumane, so your examples are very narrow opinions of two instances. It’s strictly based on YOUR relative morals and ethics.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 11, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Tracy- that’s my point… all morals are relative and it’s not always a bad thing…
March 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pmJust like your insistence that Clarke is left of center. He’s a Republican who initially HATED Clinton, like you… but because he has grown to fear and despise Bush more he is now “left of center” – that’s you SUBJECTIVE and RELATIVE view of his work…
An objective view would place him right of center- Republican, appointed by Reagan, votes conservative, etc.
And I meant “….and eminent domain for developers†The Supreme Court case established that eminent domain could be used to claim private land and give it to other private developers to increase tax revenue… that’s theft to me. I’m not against emminent domain for the public good, i.e. roads, schools, parks, etc. Just against using it to develop malls and casinos…
Tracy-
March 11th, 2008 at 8:07 pmAm I gonna hafta check this thread for the rest of time?
The Supreme Court is part of the Government, I’ll grant you that… but in this particular case the emminent domain clause was not invoked for the government’s benefit but for a private developer… You see we have a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” but lately it’s been a Government for the rich, by the rich and of the Rich… and that’s wrong. In my subjective moral view but also in the stated ethical codes of our country- ie The Constitution.
Are you trying to falsely claim that the mandated transfer of private land from private owners to richer developers isn’t an incredible twisting of the ‘original intent’ of the eminent domain clause? (Don’t you guys just love original intent?)
March 12th, 2008 at 7:15 pmI think your home would generate more tax revenue as a drive-thru, I’m thinking ‘Jack in the Box’ would be good for your community. Naturally I will pay for you to be relocated to a government housing institution in the city where you live- think of the convenience! You’ll have A BRAND NEW HOME and the community will have all that tax revenue and a ‘Jack in the Box’
Of course- if you were just renting then your just screwed- sorry. You can still work at the ‘Jack in the Box”…
Ahh, but the gopvernment is doing it for the developers… mind you, I’m not letting the government off the hook, I think they were wrong to do this, but to try and argue that this isn’t a gross misinterpretation of the emminent domain clause is silly. And to continue to argue that because the governemnt did it and the Supreme court okayed it and therefore the developer has no “power” or “blame” in this situation is also silly.
March 18th, 2008 at 5:57 pmThe Government shouldn’t have taken the land to give to developers, that’s what I’m saying.
Emminent domain is not always a bad thing however, sometimes it is in the public’s best interest to see land developed for the publics use…
He must enforce the laws and not personally violate them, a responsibility for which he is licensed, but I don’t want to come down too hard on him — at least not before the facts are completely known.
I do appreciate his honesty and not drawing this out. I also appreciate the fact hp nc4400 battery,hp tx2000 battery that he was a classic New York AG, but today I’m disappointed.
If the Governor can recover from this, that’s fine, but this may cost him a second term.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:19 am