Comments on: Spitzer linked to prostitution ring. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:42:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteries http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-5284498 batteries Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:19:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-5284498 He must enforce the laws and not personally violate them, a responsibility for which he is licensed, but I don’t want to come down too hard on him — at least not before the facts are completely known. I do appreciate his honesty and not drawing this out. I also appreciate the fact <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/hp/nc4400.htm" rel="nofollow">hp nc4400 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/hp/tx2000.htm" rel="nofollow">hp tx2000 battery</a> that he was a classic New York AG, but today I’m disappointed. If the Governor can recover from this, that’s fine, but this may cost him a second term. He must enforce the laws and not personally violate them, a responsibility for which he is licensed, but I don’t want to come down too hard on him — at least not before the facts are completely known.

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If the Governor can recover from this, that’s fine, but this may cost him a second term.

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4337636 belac Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:57:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4337636 Ahh, but the gopvernment is doing it for the developers... mind you, I'm not letting the government off the hook, I think they were wrong to do this, but to try and argue that this isn't a gross misinterpretation of the emminent domain clause is silly. And to continue to argue that because the governemnt did it and the Supreme court okayed it and therefore the developer has no "power" or "blame" in this situation is also silly. The Government shouldn't have taken the land to give to developers, that's what I'm saying. Emminent domain is not always a bad thing however, sometimes it is in the public's best interest to see land developed for the publics use... Ahh, but the gopvernment is doing it for the developers… mind you, I’m not letting the government off the hook, I think they were wrong to do this, but to try and argue that this isn’t a gross misinterpretation of the emminent domain clause is silly. And to continue to argue that because the governemnt did it and the Supreme court okayed it and therefore the developer has no “power” or “blame” in this situation is also silly.
The Government shouldn’t have taken the land to give to developers, that’s what I’m saying.
Emminent domain is not always a bad thing however, sometimes it is in the public’s best interest to see land developed for the publics use…

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4299787 belac Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:15:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4299787 Are you trying to falsely claim that the mandated transfer of private land from private owners to richer developers isn't an incredible twisting of the 'original intent' of the eminent domain clause? (Don't you guys just love original intent?) I think your home would generate more tax revenue as a drive-thru, I'm thinking 'Jack in the Box' would be good for your community. Naturally I will pay for you to be relocated to a government housing institution in the city where you live- think of the convenience! You'll have A BRAND NEW HOME and the community will have all that tax revenue and a 'Jack in the Box' Of course- if you were just renting then your just screwed- sorry. You can still work at the 'Jack in the Box"... Are you trying to falsely claim that the mandated transfer of private land from private owners to richer developers isn’t an incredible twisting of the ‘original intent’ of the eminent domain clause? (Don’t you guys just love original intent?)
I think your home would generate more tax revenue as a drive-thru, I’m thinking ‘Jack in the Box’ would be good for your community. Naturally I will pay for you to be relocated to a government housing institution in the city where you live- think of the convenience! You’ll have A BRAND NEW HOME and the community will have all that tax revenue and a ‘Jack in the Box’
Of course- if you were just renting then your just screwed- sorry. You can still work at the ‘Jack in the Box”…

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4297860 belac Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:07:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4297860 Tracy- Am I gonna hafta check this thread for the rest of time? The Supreme Court is part of the Government, I'll grant you that... but in this particular case the emminent domain clause was not invoked for the government's benefit but for a private developer... You see we have a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people." but lately it's been a Government for the rich, by the rich and of the Rich... and that's wrong. In my subjective moral view but also in the stated ethical codes of our country- ie The Constitution. Tracy-
Am I gonna hafta check this thread for the rest of time?
The Supreme Court is part of the Government, I’ll grant you that… but in this particular case the emminent domain clause was not invoked for the government’s benefit but for a private developer… You see we have a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” but lately it’s been a Government for the rich, by the rich and of the Rich… and that’s wrong. In my subjective moral view but also in the stated ethical codes of our country- ie The Constitution.

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4297009 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:53:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4297009 I could easily say that simply putting someone in prison and depriving them of their freedom is cruel and inhumane, so your examples are very narrow opinions of two instances. It’s strictly based on YOUR relative morals and ethics. Comment by Tracy2 — March 11, 2008 @ 12:43 pm Tracy- that's my point... all morals are relative and it's not always a bad thing... Just like your insistence that Clarke is left of center. He's a Republican who initially HATED Clinton, like you... but because he has grown to fear and despise Bush more he is now "left of center" - that's you SUBJECTIVE and RELATIVE view of his work... An objective view would place him right of center- Republican, appointed by Reagan, votes conservative, etc. And I meant “….and eminent domain for developers” The Supreme Court case established that eminent domain could be used to claim private land and give it to other private developers to increase tax revenue... that's theft to me. I'm not against emminent domain for the public good, i.e. roads, schools, parks, etc. Just against using it to develop malls and casinos... I could easily say that simply putting someone in prison and depriving them of their freedom is cruel and inhumane, so your examples are very narrow opinions of two instances. It’s strictly based on YOUR relative morals and ethics.

Comment by Tracy2 — March 11, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

Tracy- that’s my point… all morals are relative and it’s not always a bad thing…
Just like your insistence that Clarke is left of center. He’s a Republican who initially HATED Clinton, like you… but because he has grown to fear and despise Bush more he is now “left of center” – that’s you SUBJECTIVE and RELATIVE view of his work…
An objective view would place him right of center- Republican, appointed by Reagan, votes conservative, etc.
And I meant “….and eminent domain for developers” The Supreme Court case established that eminent domain could be used to claim private land and give it to other private developers to increase tax revenue… that’s theft to me. I’m not against emminent domain for the public good, i.e. roads, schools, parks, etc. Just against using it to develop malls and casinos…

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296621 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:49:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296621 aww... thanks dbadass... and thank you too mary... aww… thanks dbadass… and thank you too mary…

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296252 dbadass Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:27:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296252 If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies Comment by belac — March 10, 2008 @ 11:19 pm and they sure as hell are gonna be confused by the idea that an overgrown rodent might control global weather patterns. belac is a thoughtful and moral individual If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies

Comment by belac — March 10, 2008 @ 11:19 pm

and they sure as hell are gonna be confused by the idea that an overgrown rodent might control global weather patterns.

belac is a thoughtful and moral individual

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296247 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:19:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296247 The point is, tracy2, that the difference between what I find morally objectionable and what you find morally objectionable can be huge... that doesn't mean that either of us is fundamentally wrong or even ethically challenged. There can be serious disagreements about matters of morals that don't rise to the level of an ethical crisis... I eat meat but I know several principled vegetarians and vegans, I can even see the point they raise ethically, I just haven't incorporated that into my own unique moral structure yet. I may someday, that doesn't mean that my morals are slipping or that I am any more subject to moral 'relativism' than I was before... all morals are relative. All ethics are relative, we often agree on what we find objectionable and wrong, but that doesn't make morals and ethics any less relative... If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies (This is my body, which is for you... This is my blood, which is for you...) taken out of context it's rather disturbing, isn't it? That's why it's so important to <em>try</em> to understand other people's <strong>morals</strong> in context, to try and relate- see, it's not so bad to be relative... The point is, tracy2, that the difference between what I find morally objectionable and what you find morally objectionable can be huge… that doesn’t mean that either of us is fundamentally wrong or even ethically challenged. There can be serious disagreements about matters of morals that don’t rise to the level of an ethical crisis… I eat meat but I know several principled vegetarians and vegans, I can even see the point they raise ethically, I just haven’t incorporated that into my own unique moral structure yet.
I may someday, that doesn’t mean that my morals are slipping or that I am any more subject to moral ‘relativism’ than I was before… all morals are relative. All ethics are relative, we often agree on what we find objectionable and wrong, but that doesn’t make morals and ethics any less relative…
If aliens landed tomorrow they may be horrified that we in this culture worship an act of torture (the crucifixion) with sick and twisted re-enactments of the moment of death in our ceremonies (This is my body, which is for you… This is my blood, which is for you…) taken out of context it’s rather disturbing, isn’t it?
That’s why it’s so important to try to understand other people’s morals in context, to try and relate- see, it’s not so bad to be relative…

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296211 dbadass Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:36:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296211 So the Vatican thinks failure to properly steward the planet is immoral. So would environmental ethics be one of those absolute morals or one of those BS PS realitive morals? Careful on this one, considering what the punishment for sloathism used to be back in those morally righteous "good old days" So the Vatican thinks failure to properly steward the planet is immoral. So would environmental ethics be one of those absolute morals or one of those BS PS realitive morals? Careful on this one, considering what the punishment for sloathism used to be back in those morally righteous “good old days”

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296193 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:20:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296193 Actually, The death penalty, or as I call it state sanctioned murder, remains ethically acceptable to most people in this culture and in most civilizations throughout history. As does theft, in the form of state sanctioned usury rates at money lenders and eminent domain for developers, both of which have recently been declared legal and ethical by our Supreme Court- yet I find both morally objectionable. I'm curious as to what you believe is the degradation of our "morals" (sic) since (most) murder and theft are sanctioned... I fear what you mean is acceptance of homosexuality and other alternative lifestyles. The sad news for you is that those are also things that have long been not only considered moral but also ethical. For examples see the Romans, the Greeks, etc. Actually, The death penalty, or as I call it state sanctioned murder, remains ethically acceptable to most people in this culture and in most civilizations throughout history. As does theft, in the form of state sanctioned usury rates at money lenders and eminent domain for developers, both of which have recently been declared legal and ethical by our Supreme Court- yet I find both morally objectionable.
I’m curious as to what you believe is the degradation of our “morals” (sic) since (most) murder and theft are sanctioned… I fear what you mean is acceptance of homosexuality and other alternative lifestyles. The sad news for you is that those are also things that have long been not only considered moral but also ethical. For examples see the Romans, the Greeks, etc.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296146 dbadass Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:50:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296146 BTW, there ain’t no such thing as free. Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 9:27 pm True enough. I may be cheap but I'm not free BTW, there ain’t no such thing as free.

Comment by Zooey — March 10, 2008 @ 9:27 pm

True enough. I may be cheap but I’m not free

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-7/#comment-4296113 Zooey Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:27:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296113 <em>Why do some men pay for what they can get for FREE — especially from their wives? Comment by KYJurisDoctor — March 10, 2008 @ 8:51 pm</em> To paraphrase Bill Clinton -- because they can. BTW, there ain't no such thing as <em>free</em>. Why do some men pay for what they can get for FREE — especially from their wives?
Comment by KYJurisDoctor — March 10, 2008 @ 8:51 pm

To paraphrase Bill Clinton — because they can.

BTW, there ain’t no such thing as free.

]]> By: KYJurisDoctor http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296090 KYJurisDoctor Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:51:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296090 Why do some men pay for what they can get for FREE -- especially from their wives? http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/back-to-new-york-governor-elliot.html#links Why do some men pay for what they can get for FREE — especially from their wives?

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/back-to-new-york-governor-elliot.html#links

]]> By: mary http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296068 mary Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:21:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296068 Belac - how convenient that he has to get supper right when he called Clarke "blantantly partisian"! lol Belac – how convenient that he has to get supper right when he called Clarke “blantantly partisian”!

lol

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296067 dbadass Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:21:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296067 I believe the claim was "most" I believe the claim was “most”

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296057 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:15:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296057 I am working on it but it’s very hard to read something that is so blantantly partisian. Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:13 pm Clarke is a Republican appointed by Reagan- how is that blatantly partisan? Or did you mean biased to the right? I am working on it but it’s very hard to read something that is so blantantly partisian.

Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

Clarke is a Republican appointed by Reagan- how is that blatantly partisan? Or did you mean biased to the right?

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296052 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:14:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296052 Those which we all share, or most of do, is what makes the U.S. a country of laws able to withstand any BS moral relativism that some what us all to be subjects to. It’s a rejected practice. Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:11 pm Again, you are referring to ethics, not morals. See #290 for a response to the idea that relativism and rationalizing are a new concept. Those which we all share, or most of do, is what makes the U.S. a country of laws able to withstand any BS moral relativism that some what us all to be subjects to. It’s a rejected practice.
Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 8:11 pm

Again, you are referring to ethics, not morals.
See #290 for a response to the idea that relativism and rationalizing are a new concept.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296049 dbadass Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:12:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296049 Yes yes you do if you wish but I have not asked you to list the morals you wish to claim are absolute or those you think are not. I asked from where these alleged moral absolutes arise. How have our morals been degraded in your own subjective view? Do you think the changing morality which evolved as related to environmental stewardship. gender equity, racial equality, and labor rights have been a set back to the "good old days"? How 'bout some of that biblical stuff. You know the sacrifices, honor killing, and all. Good stuff gone by the wayside? Yes yes you do if you wish but I have not asked you to list the morals you wish to claim are absolute or those you think are not. I asked from where these alleged moral absolutes arise. How have our morals been degraded in your own subjective view? Do you think the changing morality which evolved as related to environmental stewardship. gender equity, racial equality, and labor rights have been a set back to the “good old days”? How ’bout some of that biblical stuff. You know the sacrifices, honor killing, and all. Good stuff gone by the wayside?

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296043 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:08:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296043 Most common morals have been shared by may civilizations thru out human history. I don’t think I need to spell them out….do I? Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 7:59 pm You may have to, yes. As slavery was pretty universally accepted by most civilizations throughout human history, I find it morally objectionable and ethically indefensible... The Victorian English had little problem with married men visiting prostitutes, neither did the Han dynasty in China, neither did most of human civilization come to think of it, I also find it morally objectionable but hey, that's just me.... Most common morals have been shared by may civilizations thru out human history. I don’t think I need to spell them out….do I?

Comment by Tracy2 — March 10, 2008 @ 7:59 pm

You may have to, yes. As slavery was pretty universally accepted by most civilizations throughout human history, I find it morally objectionable and ethically indefensible…

The Victorian English had little problem with married men visiting prostitutes, neither did the Han dynasty in China, neither did most of human civilization come to think of it, I also find it morally objectionable but hey, that’s just me….

]]> By: belac http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/comment-page-6/#comment-4296031 belac Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:01:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/spitzer-linked-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-4296031 BTW Tracy- the first post is EXTREMELY on topic... PS did you read Clarke's book yet? I read "The Cell" and I have to say, Clarke's take impressed me as more authoratative... since he was the Anti-terrorism expert and all. BTW Tracy- the first post is EXTREMELY on topic…
PS did you read Clarke’s book yet?
I read “The Cell” and I have to say, Clarke’s take impressed me as more authoratative… since he was the Anti-terrorism expert and all.

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