The Bush Debt: $7.7 Trillion
The Bush Debt: $7.7 Trillion
Today, lawmakers took to the Senate floor and blasted President Bush’s wasteful spending. To fully illustrate the impact, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), brought up a chart showing the budget plans of President Clinton versus the budget formulated by Bush. He concluded that by squandering Clinton’s government surplus, Bush has cost the country $7.7 trillion:
This next chart illustrates the value of the differences between the budget landscape planned by President Clinton and the one created by President Bush. As you can see, the difference between the two is a staggering $7.7 trillion. This number represents the fiscal harm that President Bush has inflected on our nation. This number is the Bush debt. [...]
Like most concepts of enormous size, this amount takes some thought to comprehend. $7.7 trillion is $25,000 owed by every adult or child in the United States.
Watch it:
The federal budget deficit is currently at “$87.7 billion so far this budget year, double the $42.2 billion imbalance recorded during the same period in 2007.”
Additionally, five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, national unemployment is going up. Between December 2006 and December 2007, the national unemployment rate increased by 13.6 percent in seasonally adjusted terms, from 4.4 to 5.0 percent. Additionally, 68 percent of the American public believes that redeployment from Iraq would help fix the country’s economic woes.
Transcript:
WHITEHOUSE: When President Bush took over, leading economists were debating the consequences of this great nation being debt-free. Standing tall in the world with no claim on it by foreign powers. But this President made a differen choice. Instead of keeping our nation on the path to economic security and prosperity, to new investments in our health care system, our students, our seniors, and our veterans, the President who called for responsibility squandered away the surpluses he inherited, mortgaged away our children and grandchildren’s futures, and compromised the quality of working Americans’ lives.
How can we measure the magnitude of the harm done to our economy and our people done by this administration’s decision to deviate from the responsible policies of President Clinton?
The first chart shows the budget plans of President Clinton as he left office and the budget formulated by President Bush. As you can see, the Clinton line — represented in blue based on his levels of taxation and spending — has budget surpluses every single year of this decade. In contrast, the Bush budget line — represented in red — has deep record-setting deficits in every year after 2001.
This next chart illustrates the value of the differences between the budget landscape planned by President Clinton and the one created by President Bush. As you can see, the difference between the two is a staggering $7.7 trillion. This number represents the fiscal harm that President Bush has inflected on our nation. This number is the Bush debt. [...]
Like most concepts of enormous size, this amount takes some thought to comprehend. $7.7 trillion is $25,000 owed by every adult or child in the United States.
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Ooooh yeah... we're all feelin' THAT good luvin'!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pmBut really now, how much is that in Euros???
March 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pmShrub needs to deliver his famous "Heckuva job" line to himself, followed by his dismissal.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pmBush and the GOP are playing right into Al Quaida's hand. They are bleeding us dry, just like they did the USSR. Good bye USA.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:04 pm$7.7 trillion is $25,000 owed by every adult or child in the United States.
Let's translate that number inta "Trollspeak", fer their benefit...
Dat's enough bottles and cans ta go around the Earth elbenty elben times!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:04 pmThe foundations of our economy are strong
March 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pmComment by jb — March 11, 2008 @ 10:04 pm
One could come to that conclusion, jb... EASILY!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pmIf Bush was a CEO he would have been fired 5 years ago.
Sheldon should ask himself why is he still in office.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pm$25,000 owed by every adult or child in the United States.
That's a good chunk of money that could have gone towards college for anyone who'd like to go, but can't afford it.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pmIsn't this the "starve the beast" strategy put forth by Grover Norquist?
the good news is the dollar ain't worth a dime
March 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:10 pmI hope that term catches on: The Bush Debt...
It sums up in a single phrase the financial destruction wreaked on this country by this one man.
I hope he and his family are saddled with this albatross forever so their political dynastic dreams are never revived.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:12 pmOh please, please, please, Hillary, Harry, Nancy save us NOW! And the rest of you thank a rich person tomorrow for paying your fair share of your $25,00 for you….its the thought that counts.
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
A deficit means that the bill isn't being paid, billy moron, especially by the rich, who have the lowest tax burden they've had since King George the 3rd was overthrown. You're one dumb hillbilly.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pmI hope he and his family are saddled with this albatross forever so their political dynastic dreams are never revived.
Comment by mongo — March 11, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
persoanlly, i hope they are saddles up and ridden out of this country altogether, in the direction of the Hague. the whole family should be imprisoned, or hanged.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
We're supposed to thank the rich Chinese people to whom "President" Bush indebted us? WTF?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pmI hope he and his family are saddled with this albatross forever so their political dynastic dreams are never revived.
Comment by mongo — March 11, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Ya know, mongo... ya got a point there. Perhaps it's up ta bloggers ta start using that phrase, over and over again... until it goes viral.
The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt
March 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pmThe Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt
The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt
The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt The Bush Debt
Oh please, please, please, Hillary, Harry, Nancy save us NOW! And the rest of you thank a rich person tomorrow for paying your fair share of your $25,00 for you….its the thought that counts.
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
I think you need a do over on this one. It is a little difficult to interpret
March 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pmits the thought that counts.
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Now, now... HillyBilly. Even if you take off BOTH shoes, you'll never be able to count that high. Let's just say, "It's more bottles 'n cans that you could EVER pick up in yer life, widdle man..."
March 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pmI hope he and his family are saddled with this albatross forever so their political dynastic dreams are never revived.
Comment by mongo — March 11, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
"bloody sea, bloody bird"
March 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pmWhat would be more startling is to divide the debt by the number of working people right now. I don't know that is, but it is SMALLER THAN LAST MONTH.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
didn't we agree that you weren't going to try to be funny anymore because it wasn't working and you were only embarrassing yourself, remember?
right?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pmThe richest 6% of wage earners pay almost 60% of your taxes……
Comment by Billy Hill
Sure, if you ignore the tax laws, but really they owe what they owe.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pmwhere`s my piece of the pie????????????????????????????????????
March 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pmOh crap………..say it aint so………
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
it ain't so.
http://philosophers-stone.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/11/how_the_rich_do.html
billy, do you want the nurse to cut your meat for you?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pmSo Hillary paid Billy Hills taxes..you should be happy Billy
March 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm[ Ernest T. thinks people are going to link to his jibber jabber - that's a hoot, and a holler ]
March 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm[ Ernest T. thinks people are going to link to his jibber jabber - that’s a hoot, and a holler ]
Comment by tombaker — March 11, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
ernest t. died.
however billy does have one foot in...
doncha billly?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pmSure, if you ignore the tax laws, but really they owe what they owe.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 11, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
Could it be because they earn 60% of the income?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
"dang it"?
here ya go billy,
Dang Me
Roger Miller
Well here I sit, gettin' ideas
Ain't nothing but a fool would live like this
Out all night and runnin' wild
Woman sittin' home with a month old child
CHORUS:
Dang me, dang me
They oughta take a rope and hang me
High from the highest tree
Woman would you weep for me.
Just sittin' around drinkin' with the rest of the guys
Six rounds bought, and I bought five
Spent the groceries and half the rent
Like fourteen dollars and twenty seven cents.
(CHORUS)
They say roses are red and violets are purple
Sugar is sweet and so is maple surple
Well I'm the seventh out of seven sons
My pappy was a pistol
I'm a son of a gun.
(CHORUS)
now go to bed.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:36 pmOkay Billy, what CEO got paid a 400 million dollar bonus? I didnt make him take that bonus or the tax that came with it now did I? I dont create profit from thin air now did I Billy?
You wanted a DHS right Billy? Let me tell you what, the DHS doesnt protect the little people, it protects big business.
Deal with that 6%
March 11th, 2008 at 10:37 pmComment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:35 pm
but not veto proof. yet.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-foster-wins-hasterts-seat-080308,0,7539185.story
March 11th, 2008 at 10:38 pmCould it be because they earn 60% of the income?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
They create 60% of the inflation with their usury. Money for nothing.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pmhttp://www.alternet.org/story/57180/
Saying that the majority of the country's economic gains in recent years have gone to the top 1 percent of the income ladder understates the trend. You have to cut the pie into even smaller slices to get the full picture. Because, while the bottom half of the top 1 percent of the income distribution have done far better than the average wage slaves, it is a smaller slice still -- the top .01 percent -- that has grabbed most of the gains, seeing an impressive 250 percent increase in income between 1973 and 2005 from an economy that's grown by 160 percent.
An analysis by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez gives us the best perspective of what's going on for everyone else. They found that despite several periods of healthy growth between 1973 and 2005, the average income of all but the top 10 percent of the income ladder -- nine out of ten American families -- fell by 11 percent when adjusted for inflation. For three decades, economic growth in the United States has gone first and foremost to building today's modern Gilded Age. The recipients of those gains don't care about a fully funded Social Security system or a healthy Medicare program -- they don't need them.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pmWhy should I pay for bailing out the banks Billy? Isnt that a 6% problem?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pmBoth bodies controlled by the Democrats.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:35 pm
Of course, Botch has lost complete track of the money being spent on his endless wars, so we really don't know what the Fed budget, or deficit really is, anymore.
America's CEO!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
might want to check that water...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-iraq-watermar10,1,5559480.story
i mean if you really care.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:43 pmCombined with the cost of Bush to America since 2000 which is $32 Trillion dollars in total liabilities and unfunded commitments for future payments.
GAO Comptroller General David Walker who recently resigned.
"If the federal government was a private corporation and the same report came out this morning, our stock would be dropping and some people would be talking about whether the company’s management directors needed a major shake-up".
“The federal government’s total liabilities,†Walker explained, “translates into a de facto mortgage of about $455,000 for every American household and there’s no house to back that mortgage. In other words, our government has made a whole lot of promises that, in the long run, it cannot possibly keep without huge tax increases.â€
March 11th, 2008 at 10:44 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
billy.
you wrote a song parody.
*
March 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pmTwo hrs of pushin broom
Buys a Democrat an 8 x 12 two bit room…………………………
Comment by Billy Hill
Dont blame me because Bush made government 35% larger
March 11th, 2008 at 10:47 pmIt was the Democrat controlled Senate and House that created and passed the budget, although they were forced to scale it back by a threatened White House veto. It’s a good thing the President was there for that or the budget and deficit would have been even higher.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
sorry, gg, wrong again. 7 years of Bush budgets have broken the treasury.
And, by the way, the army says the surge is a complete and utter failure, like the president. Republicans can't govern, and can't defend the USA. Thanks for 9/11.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:47 pmIt’s a good thing the President was there for that or the budget and deficit would have been even higher.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
and of course what he scaled back was support for the troops and the vets. He's a mass-murdering fool, and he's all yours, gg. Thanks for 9/11.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pmIt’s a good thing the President was there for that or the budget and deficit would have been even higher.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
Ya mean, like the what, $4 or $5 TRILLION Botch&Co has already added to the national debt over the last 7 years?
Gee, of the total **cough** Official US Debt, how much was run up JUST by Reagan and Botch&Son? Something like $7 TRILLION out of $9 trillion?
America's CEO! **snark**
March 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pmComment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
no gg he wasn't there.
he was here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYJqSWLCB60
"the brown, brown grass of home"
your president.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pmIt’s a good thing the President was there for that or the budget and deficit would have been even higher. -SillyHill
What?
all nonentitlement programs—in George W. Bush’s first term [Reepublican ruled[ was 48.5 percent in nominal terms. That’s more than twice as large as the increase in discretionary spending during Clinton’s entire two terms (21.6 percent),
Your quite uninformed Billy.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pmTwo hrs of pushin broom
Buys a Democrat an 8 x 12 two bit room…………………………
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Or a republican 15 minutes in an airport restroom with his pants down and a mouthful of dick.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pmExcuse me! I thought that $7.7 TRILLION was the total run up by all GOOP POTUS.
It's just... Georgie's ALONE!
Ding*ding*ding*ding... we have a WINNER!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pmWhip out your credit cards trolls, you need to man up and take responsibility for this atrocity. Gigi, you've got what, 3 kids? That'll be $125,000 assuming your wife hasn't left you by now.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pmBilly that three trillion dollar budget doesnt include Iraq or Afghanistan emergency supplementary spending that BUSH wanted, and GOT.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pmYour quite uninformed Billy.
Comment by Xisithrus — March 11, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
That was actually g_g. HillyBilly has almost passed out from all the T-Bird.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pmAs I recall, the Senate version of the new Federal Budget was $18,000,000,000 higher than the White House’s and the House of Representatives’ version was $22,000,000,000 higher. Both bodies controlled by the Democrats.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:35 pm
yes, damn them for funding veterans' care. how awful of them. gg wants vets out on the streets, or dead in the desert.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pmSo much for the GOP "Republicans are the stewards of the economy" talking point. Let's see, Bush has to borrow money to cut checks to give back to Americans to hope they don't ask when those much-heralded tax cuts were going to start benefiting mainstream America.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pmThe richest 6% of wage earners pay almost 60% of your taxes……
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
When the USA was strong and free they paid 90%. Why do they hate their country, billy moron?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pmWell at least you admit that the budget deficit was drivin in large part by 9/11.
Does the word paradox ever enter that mind of yours?
You want small government and then embrace bigger government and deficits.
WOW
March 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pmOh please, please, please, Hillary, Harry, Nancy save us NOW! And the rest of you thank a rich person tomorrow for paying your fair share of your $25,00 for you….its the thought that counts.
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
If it's the thought that counts, then you're running on ZERO.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pmWell at least you admit that the budget deficit was drivin in large part by 9/11.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Actually, the deficit was driven by Botch deciding to wage not one, but TWO wars, simultaneously, whilst cutting taxes AND increasing discretionary spending.
Driven by 9/11? More like a Drive-by looting...
March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pmWhile the Media is attacking Spitzer, the White House is giving Iraq 12 Billion dollars a day. Now who's stupid with that information. We're see GOP Law Makers hire prostitutes with taxpayers money no problem. Senator Vitters uses taxpayers money for prostitutes and continues today, and he gets cheers from fellow GOP Law Makers. Mark Foley rapes kids while in office no problem. Larry Craig looks for sex from men in the men's room not problem. But Spitzer hiring a hooker with his own money is against Republican Christian Family Values.
All this shows how Bush/Cheney got in office twice as Americans follow like blind mice. Now when Bush leaves office the US Treasury Debt will be 15 Trillion dollars and of course the GOP will blame it on Bill Clinton and Americans will believe it. Spitzer was set up and everyone knows it as the DOJ is as corrupt as the Mob.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pmComment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
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flagged. all of them, always. gg's lies are always to be flagged. i told the truth, gg doesn't like it. too bad.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm55. flagged.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
how cum?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pmYou mean the checks that were approved by the Democrat controlled House and Senate?
Comment by good_golly
Another paradox, you asked for the rope and got it.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm“Thanks for 9/11.†Well at least you admit that the budget deficit was drivin in large part by 9/11.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
sure, Bush had to pay off his Saudi partners for taking care of that business. there's your deficit, the result of presidential treason.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pmBush; I want more money!
Billy Hill: He needs more money support the government!!
Congress gives the whiners the debt bottle
Billy Hill: They approved the debt bottle its not my fault!! Wahhhhh!!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pmYou mean the checks that were approved by the Democrat controlled House and Senate?
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
gg's right.
vote democrat.
thanks gg.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pmYou mean the checks that were approved by the Democrat controlled House and Senate?
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
No, the checks that were approved by the Republican-controlled House and Senate. you are very naive, aren't you? or just stupid. next you're going to tell us Bush was elected and cheney isn't a traitorous war profiteer.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pmBilly Hill: Cut taxes, more debt!!
Billy Hill: Cut spending, borrow from China!!
Ladies and Gentleman, I give you the King of Paradox
March 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pmBilly Hill: More War, Less Taxes!!
Billy Hill: More defense spending, lower taxes!!
Now, Billy, you wouldn't run your household budget like this would you?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pmThanks for 9/11, gg, the complete failure of republicans to defend the USA is yours, forever. Bush's legacy, like Bush's Recession. he's amassing a collection of failures that will not be equalled, ever. he's making Reagan look like he didn't have Alzheimers.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pmNow, Billy, you wouldn’t run your household budget like this would you?
Comment by Xisithrus — March 11, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
why else would he be on the 6th floor of a fleabag motel?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pmhow cum?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 11, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
#55 is Xisithrus. Yer #54, joe.
g-g doesn't understand how flagging works. A poster isn't automatically deleted by ONE flag. It usually takes an extended bout of repeat flagging for that. The site monitors look at the comments and who did the flagging.
g_g flagging someone? They're prolly havin' a good laugh at that one.
'Course, there would appear ta be a LOT that g_g doesn't understand.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:03 pmwhy else would he be on the 6th floor of a fleabag motel?
Comment by Lefty Patriot
With a pair of binoculars no less
March 11th, 2008 at 11:03 pmwhy else would he be on the 6th floor of a fleabag motel?
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 11, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
Actually, what he meant to say was "6 INCHES off the floor, next to the fleabag dog..." And that dog is adamant... he got 'em from Hilly...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pmBush’s legacy, like Bush’s Recession. he’s amassing a collection of failures that will not be equalled, ever.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 11, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
And the Debt, Lefty... don't forget Bush's Debt!
March 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
gg said she was "winding down" in florida.
sad...
she'll probably flag me for this.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pmBush's $7.7 billion debt and failed economy are the fault of the Democrats? Huh? Only in America can we put two "oil men" in charge and see gas prices triple in their tenure. Do we need any more evidence that the GOP have NOTHING for America?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:09 pm‘Course, there would appear ta be a LOT that g_g doesn’t understand.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
Volumes and volumes.....
March 11th, 2008 at 11:14 pmUh... Z... what brings you here?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:17 pmMan, I need a quick dose of snark. Ya holding?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pmMebbe... who sent ya?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:21 pmFirst this news about herr dubyah's complete and utter fiscal irresponsibilities and now:
Pentagon Makes It Official: No Link Between Saddam & Al Qaeda
Herr dubyah = worst president ever. fact.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pmChick named Wolfie...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:24 pmHerr dubyah = worst president ever. fact.
Comment by Dr. Matt — March 11, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
Dr Matt... please feel free to elaborate on this thesis... in detail.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:25 pmHuh huh... thought so... word on the street is... she's an undercover snarcotics officer...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:26 pmhey you snarky bastards, listen to the voice of a really "groovy" american!
The day before the invasion, Bill O'Reilly said, "If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation; I will not trust the Bush administration again, all right?"
(h/t greg mitchell, author of So Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits—and the President—Failed on Iraq)
March 11th, 2008 at 11:29 pmAw man, why they always doggin' my tracks?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:30 pmThe dollar has reached an all time low, the median household income hasn't increased in 5+ years, fuel prices have reached all time highs, foreclosures have reached all time highs, the middle class gets smaller and poor gets more plentiful year after year, consumers are charging more, savings account are at the smallest since the great depression, etc., etc.,
Once again, Herr dubyah = worst president ever. fact.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:30 pmJust a correction to educate you here at TP. Congress spends the money. But most of Bush's term has had a GOP Congress and they have spent a ton of cash.
I doubt the Democrat Congress will reign in spending. We'll have to see.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pmComment by muckdog — March 11, 2008 @ 11:31 pm
Still living up to your name, I see.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pmWhy does this Bush Debt matter? At this rate we'll get a Diebold win for McCain by 5000 votes, be down to almost no oil by 2025 anyway, beg for it at $400-1000 a barrel, and burn up the rest to fight with tanks and planes to fight over what's left.
Halliburton, et al will set up a privately guarded compound and "bubble" with some nice golf courses and race tracks.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pmStill living up to your name, I see.
Comment by Wayne — March 11, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
That's DOWN, Wayne... down to it's name...
Say... Wayne... you ever see Muckie's comment here?
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq. The surge is working.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Muckie... mebbe you 'n Wayne kin discuss this little gem, huh.
It's real, Wayne. CHARMING, huh?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:43 pmOnce again, Herr dubyah = worst president ever. fact.
Comment by Dr. Matt — March 11, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Thank you, Dr. Matt. Got anymore?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:44 pmAw man, why they always doggin’ my tracks?
Comment by Zooey — March 11, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Nuttin' better ta do, Z. Nuttin' better...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:45 pmOMG, that's hideous. F_ck you, muckdog.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:45 pmNuttin’ better ta do, Z. Nuttin’ better…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 11:45 pm
It's just a little snark! It don't hurt anybody!
March 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm$25,000 owed by every adult or child in the United States.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pmAnd that is now... the present.. As we continue with the invasion/massacre/occupations and take care of the new Veterans, our infrastructure, schools, that number will surely grow. And Bush wants to make the tax cuts permanent????
Muckdog? Back to you...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pmIt don’t hurt anybody!
Comment by Zooey — March 11, 2008 @ 11:47 pm
That's what they all say... 'n before ya know it, yer hooked...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:49 pmComment by Zooey — March 11, 2008 @ 11:45 pm
I'm with you, that's disgusting and unforgivable.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pmFor a not so bleak post, we definitely do need to reform things and get the dollar in order, then business harming the public interest (it's not the invisible hand if monetary punishments are circumvented, as business has gotten to), then hopefully energy and the environment.
Let's be honest about what's happening and why Bush would even care about 20 years from now... the Republicans did not like the hard times after Vietnam, Watergate, and the oil crisis. They had to figure out how to build up "defense" and cut taxes, so Reagan Conservatism did cut into those 50% and higher tax rates. Now if the USSR had just stayed intact...
So they needed a new boogeyman, the War on Terror. Not a war to bring a sovereign state to new political terms through force, but war against an idea. Not a dedicated effort to read e-mails about Bin Ladin attacking America, but almost. Not a dedicated effort to inspect incoming vessels or address the underlying motivation to extremism, which would help mankind and those who would never use terrorism to boot, but a massive occupation of an anti-terrorist, anti-extremist, anti-Islamic state in Iraq that wouldn't play nice with us. Not a pro-terrorist state like Saudi Arabia, they give us oil and nice words and stuff.
There isn't really an end to it, unless every human is unable to rebel at all. But since there are bad people who don't like us, and there will be, we can rally against them.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:51 pmThat’s what they all say… ‘n before ya know it, yer hooked…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 11:49 pm
But it's natural, and it makes me feel so good....
March 11th, 2008 at 11:53 pmI’m with you, that’s disgusting and unforgivable.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — March 11, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Who thinks like that, anyway. Ugh!
March 11th, 2008 at 11:55 pmNot a war to bring a sovereign state to new political terms through force, but war against an idea.
Comment by singe_101 — March 11, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Or an emotion... how the hell do you defeat an emotion, singe_101?
Kinda like the "War on Drugs"???
March 11th, 2008 at 11:56 pmOh God! I leave this place for a few minutes and you guys let Billy Hill get into his dad's meth stash! Now he's tweaking all over the place and you guys are just laughing at him running into walls.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:56 pmHere is another great way to look at how bad Dubya has done. During the 8 year Reagan presidency the Dow Jones doubled (about 11% growth in value per year). During the 4 year Bush 1 presidency it went up 50% (about 11% growth in value per year). During the awful business hating democratic 8 year presidency of Bill, the Dow Jones tripled (about 22% per year).
During the Harvard MBA educated Dubya's 7 years the Dow has gone up 20%. Bringing a return to investors of 2.7% per year.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:57 pmWho thinks like that, anyway. Ugh!
Comment by Zooey — March 11, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Well, Muckdog, for one. That is an actual quote.
Say... where'd Li'l Muckie go? He was here just a minute ago.
Hi Jane... long time, no **snark**!
And another season is almost upon us...
March 11th, 2008 at 11:58 pmBringing a return to investors of 2.7% per year.
Comment by snowcker — March 11, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
Botch&Co! They're #Last! They're #Last! They're #Last! They're #Last!
March 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pmNow he’s tweaking all over the place and you guys are just laughing at him running into walls.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 11, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
Well.....it's funny.
**hanging head in shame**
March 12th, 2008 at 12:00 amComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 11, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
And we hid his helmet too...
***snort***
THUD...
Whoa... that one's gonna show in the morning... well, at least he's gonna be quiet for a while...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:00 amand it makes me feel so good….
Comment by Zooey — March 11, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
Huhuh... we all started out just... like... that.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:02 amComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 11, 2008 @ 11:56 pm
Ah, c'mon, ralph, it's fun to watch and I've got nothing better to do.
TRoS, been watching spring training? I keep meaning to put up some new Mets pics, including Santana. I'll get to it soon.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am(ralph tries to hide smile as he looks back and forth from Zooey to TRoS)
Well, I expected better from you two...
(ralph breaks into laughter)
aw, hell, it IS funny.
and you... hid his helmet? That is AWESOME.
You guys rock! Where's the snark? I'm thirsty.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:04 amFrom the onion today: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
Good for a sad laugh anyway.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:05 amComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 12, 2008 @ 12:04 am
You expected better? From us?
Heh.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:07 amI heard that in 40 years, plus or minus a few, the budget will consist of interest payments on the debt, social security payments, and medicare.
There won't be $1 for anything else. No military. No Education. No welfare.
Both Obama and Hillary have proposed $500B of new annual spending, and raising taxes on the rich from 35% to 39.6% on the rich won't cover it. They'll have to raise taxes on the middle class, because that's where the money is.
But neither Obama or Hillary are honest enough to tell you that.
And Bill said he was going to cut your taxes in his 1992 campaign, then he raised your taxes when elected. Expect the same from Hillary. Wink-wink.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:07 amBetter??? From us???
Apparently you don't know us as well as you thought...
Yeah... I thought no the helmet bit was Pure... Comedy... Gold.
Mebbe when Billy comes to, we kin ask him if he thought it was funny too.
Hmmm... from the looks of it, that might be a while.
Saaay... let's take a bowl of warm water...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:08 amSnark's in the cooler. Help yerself...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:09 amComment by muckdog — March 12, 2008 @ 12:07 am
Did you forget your helmet as well?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:11 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 12:09 am
At least the gorillas aren't serving tonight. And forget the warm water, do you want more troll piss all over the thread?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:14 amDid you forget your helmet as well?
Comment by Zooey — March 12, 2008 @ 12:11 am
I don't think he uses one.
Gotta say goodnight--see you soon.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:16 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — March 12, 2008 @ 12:14 am
Aw hell no, I'm regretting leaving my hipwaders on another thread...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:17 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — March 12, 2008 @ 12:03 am
Haven't watch any games but I've been tracking the results on a daily basis.
What can I say... it's as addictive as Snark...
Don't know what to think, Jane. All those injuries? Ouch. I'm afraid Beltran is going to be off all year. We're a team in transition, Jane. We're going to look different next yr.
But this yr? I have no expectations. The starters look better, potentially. The BP has been good so far. But the position players? Sheez... it is nice to see the bench players doing so well. But how many times have we seen a player like Pagan smoke the ball in exhibition games, then head for the Mendoza Line come Opening Day?
My hope is that the pitching and subs can keep us in it until Beltran, Castillo, Dlegado, and Alou are healthy. Hopefully Church will surprise (he did hit 40 doubles last yr...) and Pelfrey will have his break out yr.
Less than 3 weeks to go...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:17 amGoodnight, Jane! :-)
March 12th, 2008 at 12:17 amAnd forget the warm water, do you want more troll piss all over the thread?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — March 12, 2008 @ 12:14 am
It's just so funny to watch them wake up, Jane. Shhh... he's coming to now.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:18 amLess than 3 weeks to go…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 12:17 am
Basketball? Hockey? Water polo?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:18 amWater polo?
Comment by Zooey — March 12, 2008 @ 12:18 am
Beis bol... beis bol bin verry verry gud to me...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:20 amDoesn't CNN report on any political matter like this or is it all spitz? It's Britney Spears media. Nothing to see her folks, you too, move along Mr. Vitter.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:21 amWhen history writes this episode, people will be scratching their heads wondering why did everyone spend so much time looking the wrong way. The Bush Debt will stick.
I heard that in 40 years, plus or minus a few, the budget will consist of interest payments on the debt, social security payments, and medicare.
Comment by muckdog — March 12, 2008 @ 12:07 am
Yeah? Well I heard that in 40 years, the budget will be balanced, revenues will be at record levels, the stock market will be rising steadily, unemployment will be low, poverty will be at 4% and the middle class will actually gain purchasing power each year.
Of course, those projections depend on the Republican Party never being let close to the budgeting process again.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:21 amDon't start, Mistress Z! ;)
TRoS, we've been watching the last coupla weekends, it's a welcome respite from all the campaign shit.
Goodnight!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:22 amBeis bol… beis bol bin verry verry gud to me…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 12:20 am
Heh. I remember the Oakland A's in the 70s -- handlebar mustaches!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am"... depend on the Republican Party never being let close to the budgeting process again."
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 12, 2008 @ 12:21 am
Or the administrative process, the electoral process, and the legislative, educational, and judicial ones either.
I forget any?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:23 amComment by Zooey — March 12, 2008 @ 12:22 am
Indeed! Sal Bando, Rollie Fingers, Joe Rudi... fun team...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:24 amGoodnight!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — March 12, 2008 @ 12:22 am
Ooops... you were still here after all... I was afraid you had left after I wrote that answer for you.
G'nite!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:25 amZooey, Totally off topic, but the 1970's East German women's swim team also had handlebar moustaches.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:35 amWhoa... Keith... some of us eat while we blog...
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to get chow mein noodles out from between the keys?
T'anks a lot...
March 12th, 2008 at 12:37 amComment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 12:35 am
Have you ever had really ice cold Diet Pepsi up your nose? Ow....
:-D
March 12th, 2008 at 12:40 amYeah, I'm glad I wasn't eating -- I'd have choked to death!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:41 amThe debt of the first 200 years of the US (end of Carter, before Reagan) was $0.9 Trillion. After twelve years of Reagan and GHWBush, it was $4.1 Trillion. Clinton consistently took us from $0.250 Trillion deficits to $0.250 Trillion surplus.
If President McCain actually stuck to his campaign promises and got them through Congress, we would head straight into failed-state status and a takeover by the World Bank.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:42 amSorry, i have no respect for this guy, certain and absolutely any GOPer, and sadly practically any Democrat.
I actually like that the Republicans walked out of Congress over the FISA bill. They are willing to stop the world in order to Praise The Bush (PTB). Sort of like Praise The Lord, but you feel more like you've just kissed a reptile. Anyway, look folks they are willing to draw a line and stop all business as usual for something really important to them -- although no one on Earth understands why Bush is their new God.
Why haven't the Dems walked out of the House and walked out of the Senate too over Katrina, Wiretapping, the War in Iraq, each and every bloated unbalanced budget, Health Care, the Mortgage Crisis, the Homeless, Walter Reed, No Body Armor, for the love of God NO BODY ARMOR!!!!!
I'm a Dem and i say because of this They Suck. Yes, they suck far less than the Republicans, but they still suck for this very reason.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:42 amThat's revenge. I was eating lunch when someone put up a link to Dr. Laura's nude photos!!!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:43 amComment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 12:43 am
Ugh! Well, it wasn't me! I'd put up a link to vomit, but never "Dr" Laura.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:46 amI’m a Dem and i say because of this They Suck. Yes, they suck far less than the Republicans, but they still suck for this very reason.
Comment by ScrewBush — March 12, 2008 @ 12:42 am
You are right, ScrewBush. No arguments from me.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:47 amSometimes revenge hits innocent bystanders.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:48 amComment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 12:48 am
Ohhhh, that's cold. Speaking of cold, would you like some Diet Pepsi? Freshly squeezed from my sinuses....
March 12th, 2008 at 12:50 am.
. $7,700,000,000,000 (current deficit)
+
. $2,300,000,000,000 (future deficit due to Iraq spending)
=
. $10,000,000,000,000 (forcast national debt)
=
FISCAL CONSERVATIVE?
Spin this FUX PROPAGANDA NETWORK!
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March 12th, 2008 at 12:52 amDo your sinuses get fat if you use regular Pepsi?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:53 am.
I can't wait for McDebt's coronation.
.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:54 amDo your sinuses get fat if you use regular Pepsi?
Comment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 12:53 am
I guess they would. :D
I can't stand all that sugar.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:55 amThat’s revenge. I was eating lunch when someone put up a link to Dr. Laura’s nude photos!!!
Comment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 12:43 am
Gee, Keith... t'anks fer nuttin'. Now I git ta "visit" w/ my dinner a 2nd time tonight. Once goin' "IN" and once comin' "OUT".
What did I ever do to you?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:20 am$3million spent on a scientific study? It's pork! It's horrible! It's them darn liberals' fault!
$7.7Trillion worth of deficit, an occupation with no end in sight, a climbing unemployment rate, a crashing housing market, a economic slowdown foreboding a recession? It's no big deal. Let's talk about gay marriage instead.
Aaah, the blind Bush cult followers and their priorities...
March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 am$7.7Trillion worth of deficit, an occupation with no end in sight, a climbing unemployment rate, a crashing housing market, a economic slowdown foreboding a recession?
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I would add: illegal occupation based on lies.
7.7 trillion. Like that.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 amOh yes junior, the United States will be coming for you, and it won't be long.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:19 amComment by Juan C. — March 12, 2008 @ 1:52 am
I was going to add the millions of Iraqi displaced too.
What can I say? This is probably the worst presidency for the US, and for our planet.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:22 am.
House fails to override torture veto
House Democrats on Tuesday failed to overturn President Bush's veto of a bill that would have prohibited the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques on terrorist suspects.
The vetoed legislation would have limited the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation methods approved in the Army field manual. That guidebook bans the use of waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning. CIA Director Michael Hayden has confirmed that the spy agency used the technique on three terrorist suspects in 2002 and 2003.
The 225-188 House roll call was 51 votes short of the two-thirds majority required to overturn a veto. Bush has vetoed seven bills during his tenure, and only once has Congress mustered the votes to override his veto.
The interrogation limits are part of a bill authorizing intelligence spending for 2008. Bush vetoed it on Saturday. It is the first intelligence authorization bill produced by Congress in three years.
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March 12th, 2008 at 3:57 amYou don't have to pay this debt if you elect not to.
See this and put your money back into your pocket....www.thelawthatneverwas.com
March 12th, 2008 at 7:35 amhttp://www.thelawthatneverwas.com
March 12th, 2008 at 7:36 amThe richest 6% of wage earners pay almost 60% of your taxes……
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Surely not you, even with all that overtime at the Winn Dixie
March 12th, 2008 at 8:26 amIt’s a good thing the President was there for that or the budget and deficit would have been even higher.
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
The trash from Florida talking finance again, do you really enjoy being wrong about everything?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:29 amI will not dissagree that Bush spent way to much money. In fact, I salute TP for ponting it out. I can only hope that TP will continue its great work pointing out when any politician isn't holding the line on spending. In fact, please TP, report anytime a politician wants to increase spending or start a new program "and please come out against it like you do for anything Bush wants to increase spending wise".
BTW, Clinton NEVER had a surplus. Please read this report if you don't believe me. The government truly has 2 sets of books. The ones they show you make the story prettier but aren't true to accounting principles. Anyways, enjoy the read:
http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=USATODAY.com&expire=&urlID=22498576&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fprintedition%2Fnews%2F20070529%2F1a_lede29.art.htm&partnerID=1660
March 12th, 2008 at 8:43 amWhen you look at thos presentation of how America squandered its wealth and well being, you have to wonder did Bin Laden accomplish what he was after? Oil @ $ 109 a barrel and America broke and looking to dig a little deeper.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:48 amIndite Bush, Cheney and the rest of their gang of incompent traitors.
Roger, There is nothing wrong with spending money. Money on roads, money for national parks, money to support the homeless and elderly. Money to make Exxon even richer, 3 trillion for an illegal war, no, that's money pissed away.
Why does someone who is poor white trash like yourself support these people, are you really too dumb to know you are voting against your own self interest?
I guess so, either that or you like being a traitor and a coward, maybe that's it.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:53 amhttp://www.wintersoldier.com/
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 7:02 am
And, once again, gg comes out on the side of killing more Americans. 56,000 wasn't enough to get gg off. The only acceptable republican policy? Killas many American troops as possible, without end. anything else is "surrender". What psychopaths they are.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:02 amComment by Roger_Roger — March 12, 2008 @ 8:43 am
Actually, the article says no such thing. But that's all right, you can pretend you're right if it makes you feel better.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:05 amComment by Roger_Roger — March 12, 2008 @ 8:43 am
Actually, the article says no such thing. But that’s all right, you can pretend you’re right if it makes you feel better.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 9:05 am
Roger_dodger alway did have reading comprehension issues.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:08 amYa know, Wayne, that's part of the problem w/ even having a dialogue about some of these subject matters w/ these clowns. Government spending and debt or the immigration problem are real sore spots that won't go away and need to be talked about. But when you get clueless asshats like R_R or that nasty "Dr Rogers" who was here yesterday dropping phony arguments and false facts left and right, what do you do?
So many times someone like R-R leads off w/ an insult... "Hey, Moonbats..." then proceeds to run one fake argument off after another. We push back, and then they go, "See told ya... liberals just hate." It's manipulative as hell. It's not debate and it's not meant to be in the first place. It's just meant to gunk up the place and cloud the issues.
Going to "USA Today" for your viewpoint on Federal debt? Sheesh... might as well quote "Playboy" while you're at it.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:19 amOT: Don't want to seem dumb, we have our trolls for that, but what is a TRoS?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:07 amtake care tony and guidedog Lido
never mind, I got it, its the republic of stupidity'.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:20 amReading all of the troll droppings this morning gave me a migraine.
And, once again, gg comes out on the side of killing more Americans. 56,000 wasn’t enough to get gg off. The only acceptable republican policy? Killas many American troops as possible, without end. anything else is “surrenderâ€. What psychopaths they are.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 12, 2008 @ 9:02 am
Reich-wingers like GiGi much rather murder more troops then admit they were wrong. Pathetic.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:47 amTo paraphrase Senator Everett Dirksen:
A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon it adds up to real money.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:06 amThe rich in America sure have it rough! Why Stephen Schwarzman of the Blackstone Group only made $4.78 BILLION in compensation last year!. Still, I'm sure he made a lot more in capital gains and dividends that he only paid 15% tax on, so it wasn't too bad. Then his accountant can always find plenty of tax-free bonds so he doesn't pay anything at all on those. Maybe a few more schools and libraries can close down so he can continue his tax breaks.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pmWhat does Bush care? His buddies, the fortunate 400, are doing just fine.
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/03/20080307_b_main.asp
March 12th, 2008 at 1:20 pmI think that it's a matter of incompetence, robbing the country (via contracts for "special" people and huge tax cuts) and an effort to help collapse government. Make it small enough to "drown it in a bathtub" as one right wing anti-tax/anti-gov. guy (name escapes me) said a few years ago.
Interest on the national debt....some $420+ billion/year...the third largest expense in the Federal budget I recall. Such a complete waste. Here's info from Treasury:
March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pmhttp://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm
$7.7Trillion!!!!!!! And Bush was never really elected!!!!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pmOh please, please, please, Hillary, Harry, Nancy save us NOW! And the rest of you thank a rich person tomorrow for paying your fair share of your $25,00 for you….its the thought that counts.
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
A deficit means that the bill isn’t being paid, billy moron, especially by the rich, who have compaq armada v300 battery,compaq pp2060 battery the lowest tax burden they’ve had since King George the 3rd was overthrown. You’re one dumb hillbilly.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:23 am