CEI: Fixing Climate Change Will Cause ‘Death On A Massive Scale’ In The Developing World
CEI: Fixing Climate Change Will Cause ‘Death On A Massive Scale’ In The Developing World
Today, the right-wing think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) launched its new round of ads attacking Al Gore for his leadership on climate change. According to CEI, the ads “contrast Gore’s energy-consuming lifestyle with the life-and-death need for energy in developing countries.” The ads are set to run for two weeks on CNN, CNBC, and Fox News.
Announcing the $30,000 ad buy at a press conference today, CEI General Counsel Sam Kazman said that climate change legislation of the kind Gore supported would herald “death on a massive scale” and “absolute disaster, suffering, and starvation on a massive scale” in the developing world. Watch the ad:
CEI — a noted global warming denier group — is dishonestly ignoring the disastrous effects climate change itself will wreak on the developing world. The UN Development Programme’s 2007 Human Development Report stated it unequivocally:
Climate change is the defining human development challenge of the 21st Century. Failure to respond to that challenge will stall and then reverse international efforts to reduce poverty. The poorest countries and most vulnerable citizens will suffer the earliest and most damaging setbacks, even though they have contributed least to the problem.
In fact, it was leaders of developing nations who were the most outraged at the United States’ stonewalling tactics at the Bali conference this winter. As the Washington Post reported, world leaders were furious when US climate negotiator Paula Dobriansky told the Bali delegates the US would not accept mandatory cuts in emissions:
Marthinus van Schalkwyk, South Africa’s minister of environmental affairs and tourism, called Dobriansky’s comments “unwelcome” and questioned why Washington was not doing more after leaders from emerging economies had dropped their resistance to taking measurable and verifiable steps to reduce their emissions. [...]
“If you cannot lead, leave it to the rest of us. Get out of the way,” declared Kevin Conrad, Papua New Guinea’s ambassador for climate change.
In reality, the costs of inaction are enormous. Last year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change confirmed multiple studies when it reported that the world needed to act immediately “to avert a global climate disaster, which could leave island states submerged and abandoned, African crop yields down by 50 percent, and cause a 5 percent decrease in global gross domestic product.”
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I bet Dubbie has killed more real (not hypothetical) people in developing countries than al gore has or could.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pmLet’s pray that the planet can wait until 1.20.09 for US to get our collective act together.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pmBatten down the hatches, TP’ers – if it’s a thread about Warming or Weiners, we’re going to have us a troll-storm of epic proportion.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pmCEI: Fixing Climate Change Will Cause ‘Death On A Massive Scale’ In The Developing World
Yeah. Like CEI gives a crap about anything in the third world.
Correction; they give a crap about resources in the third world, but not much else.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pmYeah, let’s not risk killing people on a massive scale due to our actions.
Instead, let’s make sure they die due to our inaction.
(As if these reichwingers really cared one way or another about the wellbeing of people in the developing world)
March 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pmMan, Gigi’s big into recycling, ain’t she? Of course, it’s just talking p[oints she’s recycling, but it’s a start.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pmIt took you 6 whole minutes to see the climate change thread giggy, your RNC pimp is going to be mad at you.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm- Senator McCarthy
Comment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
The media has […] launching ad hominem attacks on those who question the dramatized reports of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
“Global Warming†is the “Red Scare†of our time.
Comment by good_golly — March 10, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Oh… the… Irony!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 10, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Oh… the… Irony!
March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pmNot fixing Global Warming will cause the DEATH OF THE ENTIRE FU(KING PLANET.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm“Global Snarking” is the “Red Snark” of our time, right Mr. Golly?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm5: Are you now or have you ever been a member of any group that has used straw man arguments?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pmSo, Shayne… did you manage to take down that lemming earlier?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pmAnnouncing the $30,000 ad buy
30 GRAND? That’s all they got?
Wow.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pmSteve Doocy told Mr. Golly that Jane Fonda made W invade Iraq.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pmYeah, they’re all about pummeling their betters. The right has no claim to moral, intellectual or political superiority, and its only weapon is the Big Lie. this is so typical of the emotionally-stunted, immoral pigs and charlatans of the conservative side, the unevolved, barely-human animals that will justify the slaughter of innocent families because their fratboy, deserting president was to lazy to prevent 9/11. the trolls that defend them are even lower on the gutter-level scale, doing their master’s’ bidding out of a sense of fear and ignorance that knows no bounds. one could feel sorry for them on the same level as one feels sorry for worms that the birds dine on.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pmNot fixing Global Warming will cause the DEATH OF THE ENTIRE FU(KING PLANET.
Comment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
Actually, not the planet, just most of the living creatures that inhabit it…
The planet will do just fine without us. It may take a couple of hundred thousand humanless years to correct itself, but it’ll be fine.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pmInstead, let’s make sure they die due to our inaction.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 11, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
Well, in all fairness, Gregor, Botch&Co has prolly fulfilled their quota for “deaths due to direct action” by now. They just want to balance the books.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pmThe McCarthy bit is most ironic, since that drunken shit would have been one of the first the global-warming deniers would have recruited. No difference between him and gg, SM, and the other fools who come here to show us all how ignorant and bigoted they are. As we didn’t already know from the results of their brainless GOP-blowing.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pmAl Gore has been quiet lately about Global warming, so have the democrat candidates. Why?
And why is the evidence growing that we’re actually in a cooling trend?
Okay, so you believe in Global Warming, what causes it? Is CO2 and other byproducts of man’s use of fossil fuels The cause? or just A cause?
It’s fashionable to belittle doubters, and post 3 above mentions “troll-storm” — I suppose that was put there to preempt legitimate views that perhaps the hype about Global Warming is just that, Hype.
If the next stage is global cooling, what will Al gore come up with to explain it? Maybe start looking at solar activity, orbital changes, tektonic plate changes, ocean current changes, etc. Or would that be too much to ask? An actual scientific study rather than looking at correlations that may or may not have any real cause and effect.
If you pull all the legs off a cockroach, and it doesn’t run away when you turn on the lights, do you draw the conclusion that cockroaches go deaf when they dont’ have legs ?
There is evidence that as the earth’s temperature goes up, that more CO2 is a result, not a cause. And what causes the temperature increase on Mars, is it SUVs driven by little green men ?
Believe it or not, there are scientists that have alternative explanations for global temperature changes. In fact, it was a LOT warmer millions of years ago, and a LOT cooler as well. Does it occur to anyone that temperature variations are due to forces beyond our control ?
But for those who’ve been convinced that man causes global warming, post all your negative diatribes, it won’t change the science, which is far more compelling than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pmWell I for one welcome CEI’s newfound interest in the developing world. I can only assume, then, that they’ll be following up this ad buy with a series of ads highlighting the plight of people in developing countries suffering the effects of environmental degradation caused by extractive industries and pollution and industrial agriculture…
March 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pmComment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Typical gobbledy gook coming from a denier. You back up your rhetoric with zero facts, why even bother posting?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pmits funny gg would come in here again with that McCarthyism crap considering the entire basis of CEI’s claim is based on an unprovable claim that fixing Climate Change would result in “increasing poverty, disease and human misery around the world.â€
While gg has a problem with climate change, I guess he has no problem with his own hypocrisy.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pmGood Golly: Most boring troll ever
*clapping*
March 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pmAnd why is the evidence growing that we’re actually in a cooling trend?
-MrRogers
OK, I’ll bite. Why is the evidence growing?
-Because CEI says so?
-Because Gore’s a Nobel Prize winner?
-Because Bush is a Nobel Prize whiner?
’sup?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pmLighten up poster’s, the troll’s are just trying to earn a living at .50 cent’s a post….They will jump on anything about sex and global warming or anything else that come’s “up”…Note the g,g, gal and roger 2 …Of course we are suposto pay attention since r2 now has a DR. on his handle…Have a great day beating up on these poor saps working for peanut’s while their pimp’s the reich rake in the big money…But do show some compassion please, after all they are drinking bull shit bush’s water and we all know how polluted that is….Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm“… than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.”
Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Radical liberals simply spew hate filled messages intended to silence those who disagree with them.
Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 7:17 am
Oh… the… irony…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pmIf you pull all the legs off a cockroach, and it doesn’t run away when you turn on the lights, do you draw the conclusion that cockroaches go deaf when they dont’ have legs ?
Allow me to illustrate such a erroneous argument.
What does turning on a light have to do with one’s hearing?
Better yet, go into your garage, start your car and don’t open the garage door and stand there as loooooooong as you can.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pmDedicated to GiGi
(If you aren’t familiar with Maurice Chevalier, try applying John Cleese’s abusive French-knigget accent as you read the lyrics):
Thank heavens, for little trolls,
For little trolls get jiggered every day
Thank heavens, for little trolls,
The grow up in the most dysfunctional way
Their blatant lies so hopeless and congealing
And in a flash they’ll make you smash-in your own ceiling
(by which I mean TV or computer monitor but you see the inherent rhyming problem)
No matter where no matter who, they simply haven’t got a clue…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pmWithout them think what all of us could do!
And why is the evidence growing that we’re actually in a cooling trend?
It isn’t. Two cold weeks of winter in February isn’t a cooling trend.
Okay, so you believe in Global Warming, what causes it? Is CO2 and other byproducts of man’s use of fossil fuels The cause? or just A cause?
A cause. Other contributing factors include Malenkovitch cycles and volcanic activity, but man’s releasing of CO2 stored in fossil fuels is adding a rather sizeable imbalance to natural causes of climate cycles.
If the next stage is global cooling, what will Al gore come up with to explain it? Maybe start looking at solar activity, orbital changes, tektonic plate changes, ocean current changes, etc. Or would that be too much to ask? An actual scientific study rather than looking at correlations that may or may not have any real cause and effect.
The scientists who contributed to the IPCC working groups already discussed this in detail in the hundreds of papers they’ve produced and reviewed on the topic of climate change.
If you pull all the legs off a cockroach, and it doesn’t run away when you turn on the lights, do you draw the conclusion that cockroaches go deaf when they dont’ have legs ?
I’m not sure which is more appalling, your grasp of the scientific method or your obvious psychopathic tendencies.
There is evidence that as the earth’s temperature goes up, that more CO2 is a result, not a cause.
That’s because the oceans release stored CO2, causing a vicious cycle of warming. Current climate change models predict that this is what’s going to happen to our planet in the very near future. The difference between the current situation and past climate change is that we’ve released the CO2 first, instead of the oceans warming first.
And what causes the temperature increase on Mars, is it SUVs driven by little green men ?
We don’t live on Mars, yet. I fail to see how the Malenkovich cycles of Mars have anything to do with Earth’s climate. It’s certainly nothing to do with solar output, which has not increased over the time that temperatures on Mars have risen.
Believe it or not, there are scientists that have alternative explanations for global temperature changes. In fact, it was a LOT warmer millions of years ago, and a LOT cooler as well. Does it occur to anyone that temperature variations are due to forces beyond our control ?
Yes, and the scientists who wrote the IPCC working group reports discuss them in detail. The warming that man is causing is IN ADDITION to these natural factors.
But for those who’ve been convinced that man causes global warming, post all your negative diatribes, it won’t change the science, which is far more compelling than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.
Done. The science concludes that man is contributing significantly to global climate change that will get worse in the net several decades. It’s not a partisan issue or tree hugger issue, it’s a survival of our species issue. The fact that you folks are either incapable of or unwilling to learn anything about the science other than a few right-wing talking points makes me rather pessimistic about the future of our species.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pmBut for those who’ve been convinced that man causes global warming, post all your negative diatribes, it won’t change the science, which is far more compelling than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.
Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
How would you know? You obviously have paid no attention to the science whatsoever.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pmDon’t worry toasterhead, none of the troll’s are going to reproduce, there is birth control med’s in their water that bull shit provide’s them…Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pmBetter yet, go into your garage, start your car and don’t open the garage door and stand there as loooooooong as you can.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — March 11, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Ooooh… let me try one now, DieNow…
If a plane crashes on the Tennessee/Arkansas border, where do they bury the survivors?
Or… there’s a rooster perched right on a roof top. Whic way do the eggs roll off?
Or… if you dig a hole 2′x2′x2′, how much dirt is in it?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pmLOL
March 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pmComment by Witch1 — March 11, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
When the trolls don’t reproduce, it has NOTHING to do w/ birth control meds in their water.
Just basic ineptitude…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pmComment by toasterhead — March 11, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
A virtual round of applause for this!!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pmBut for those who’ve been convinced that man causes global warming, post all your negative diatribes, it won’t change the science, which is far more compelling than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.
Comment by DrRogers
If you are wrong – the planet dies. Is that a gamble which sounds like a good one? Would you truly gamble away your childrens future, holding onto the right side talking points about climate change?
This is serious stuff. Nobody has to “prove” anything – it is happening all around us. If you are a curious person, you would have noticed this. If you are a loyal and respectful member of the human race, you would have noticed this. If you get your facts and perspectives from another source than Fox News, you would have noticed this. If you didn’t walk so close to the failed right side talking points, you wouldn’t have to clean your nose of the brown stuff getting smeared on it.
I know the right side trolls love to embellish their credentials, but yours are too much: DrRogers? No way. The only way for you to obtain those credentials would be for you to enroll at Regents College. Those nutjobs truly reward unthinking behavior.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pmNot fixing Global Warming will cause the DEATH OF THE ENTIRE FU(KING PLANET.
Comment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
Well not the entire planet, just everything living on it. Although the cockroaches might just survive off troll dust.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pmSo, Shayne… did you manage to take down that lemming earlier?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
No the pack only eats polar bears now, they’re a delicacy!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pmComment by toasterhead — March 11, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
A virtual round of applause for this!!
Comment by Vinnie — March 11, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
hear, hear!
(enthusiastic applause for toasterhead)
March 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pmComment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
Back under the double wide, HillyBilly. You know the rules.
NO talking when the adults are discussing “grown up stuff”.
Mummy will be around soon w/ a nice, cold bottle of T-Bird.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pmBilly, Billy, Billy….. get out of the meth lab once in a while and into the fresh air. You’re not making any sense at all.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pmNo the pack only eats polar bears now, they’re a delicacy!
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
We may be delicate… but a delicacy? HAH!
**snark…**
(pssst… I snarked ya!)
March 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pmI am convinced that global warming is real. I am convinced that mankind will not respond in time to “fix†the problem therefor I am preparing, on this very day, to be a survivor.
Comment by Billy Hill
Thanks Billy for your wonderful and confusing screed. I noticed you used almost all of the letters in the alphabet – so I see your therapy is coming along. Good for you! You are one troll we can always count on to add absolutely nothing to the discussion.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pmA few undisputed facts that the energy industry, and all their billions, can’t make go away.
1. Sustained levels of CO2 are, according to the best science on the subject, at an all time high and increasing.
2. CO2 levels have gone up in direct proportion to the amount of fossil fuels burned by man. Deforestation is another measurable human effect on atmospheric CO2.
3. The Earth is in a rapid warming period.
4. The Solar System consists of our Sun, nine planets, three dwarf planets, a whole bunch of moons and countless other sizable bodies. Some are getting warmer. Some are getting cooler. Only Earth is influenced by Earth’s atmosphere.
5. Greenhouse gases and temperature exist in a mutual relationship. Once either achieves a certain level a “cascade effect” (look it up) takes place. Simply stated, warm temperatures release additional greenhouse gases which accelerate warming.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pmComment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Yep, yep, the earth is flat, evolution is a “theory” and god created it all 6,000 years ago. Whatever you think bubba, whatever you think.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pmOkay so which is it, ralph? Meth or T-bird?
Saaaay… given HillyBilly’s general state of incoherence, mebbe it’s BOTH!
That certainly ’splains t’ings, dunnit?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pmI see the clown car is unloading on schedule.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pmOne criticism, toasterhead, in your surgical takedown of “DrRogers”:
perhaps you could have included a little bit of “negative diatribes”. Just a representative sample. Apparently, the good Dr doesn’t pay attention to anything written in affirmation of the theory unless it contains such invective.
I fear the good, concerned Dr will pay no attention to all of your diligent work because of its lack of “diatribe”.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pmThat certainly ’splains t’ings, dunnit?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Billy, you have some ’splainin’ to do…..
March 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pmComment by Witch1 — March 11, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
When the trolls don’t reproduce, it has NOTHING to do w/ birth control meds in their water.
Just basic ineptitude…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Really #1, it’s because their fists can’t get pregnant.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pmTROS, Yah huh,….Your correct…LOL…Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pmWait, they are worried about the world’s poor being hurt by actions to limit global warming?
When did the selfish deniers become so altruistic?
Like I believe they give a damn about the world’s poor.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pmCrapping in your own food dish (and everyone else’s) = the conservative operating procedure.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pmDone. The science concludes that man is contributing significantly to global climate change that will get worse in the net several decades.
Comment by toasterhead — March 11, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Sorry – I should have said “the science concludes with high confidence that man is very likely contributing significantly to GCC.” Scientists don’t speak in absolutes, but the words “likely” and “high confidence” translate to >90% certainty for the rest of us.
I strongly recommend the science deniers read the IPCC Synthesis Report Summary for Policymakers at http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf . It answers pretty much all of the troll “hypotheticals” with solid science.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pmWe may be delicate… but a delicacy? HAH!
**snark…**
(pssst… I snarked ya!)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
I thought you were going to rehab but you said no, no, no.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pmI see the clown car is unloading on schedule.
Comment by tombaker — March 11, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Good one, tom… but yesterday’s comment (I think it was you…) about hobos in the park and nickles… I’m still laughin’ today.
BWAHA-ouch-HAHAHA-ouch-HAHAHA-ouch…
D’at’s gonna take a while at heal.
Jes’ double checked my “facts”…
BWAHA-ouch-HAHAHA-ouch-HAHAHA-ouch…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pmSince when does the competitive enterprise institute give a hang about death of human beings in the developing world? The answer is the same as the Dinkledorf adminstration’s concern for democracy. When it is expediant, then they act as if human life and democracy are important.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pmI thought you were going to rehab but you said no, no, no.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
**sniff** it’s all the enablers here…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pmReally #1, it’s because their fists can’t get pregnant.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
Neither can inflatable sheep…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pmwhy don’t we just call global warming deniers what they are… modern day Flat Earthers…
either that, or cockroach enabling terrorists
March 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pmCEI has stepped up it’s anti-climate change program, and attacking Al Gore in particular.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pmThey must be peeing their Depends in fear of his stepping up, tossing Hillary to the right, and Obama to the left, and being overwhelmingly elected.
By the whole world.
**sniff** it’s all the enablers here…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
**snark** it’s all the enablers here…
This is what you meant, isn’t it?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pmThanks again, TRoS. That’s why I appreciate our troll buddies – they’re a constant source of alley-oops that kead to those kinds of zingers.
Without their hatriotic commitment, I’d have to settle for being happy rather than funny.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pmReally #1, it’s because their fists can’t get pregnant.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
Neither can inflatable sheep…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
No, no, no. They use real sheep and inflatable women.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pmI refer Dr.Rogers (who cleary didn’t spend 5 years at Rogers-School just to be called Mister, thank you very much) to Good-Golly’s link last week to a graph which claims many interesting things using the science of graphics to support his contrarian position and that should further provide the grist to his oil-powered square-wheeled mill. as well as helping to reinforce his logic that natural forces are inherently inexplicable by scientific study because “believe it or not there are some scientists” whose science disproves the science of other scientists by applying…ummm….science!
By the same token therefore, if a woman with a carrot on her nose weighs the same as a duck and floats, the earth is banana shaped and the flatulence of sheep can predict earthquakes.
Sorry I don’t have the link Dr Rogers, but I’m sure you can find it yourself, through scientific research.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pmNo, no, no. They use real sheep and inflatable women.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Well, THAT ’splains why there’s no virgin wool in them thar parts!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm“…Or one might anonymously describe that sensitive nodule that has appeared about the time Algore informed us of the impending “end of the world†as we know it. HELP DOC!
Comment by Billy Hill
I wouldn’t exactly call you a sensitive nodule, to me you’re more of an oozing chancre
March 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pmGlad to see Dr. Rogers in the house, love your sweater man! Oh, that was Mr. Rogers, never mind.
“If you pull all the legs off a cockroach, and it doesn’t run away when you turn on the lights, do you draw the conclusion that cockroaches go deaf when they dont’ have legs ?”
Let’s start by pulling the legs off the cockroach trolls, and see if they still won’t consume facts, but still swill the shit flavored koolaid.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pmBy the same token therefore, if a woman with a carrot on her nose weighs the same as a duck and floats, the earth is banana shaped and the flatulence of sheep can predict earthquakes.
Sorry I don’t have the link Dr Rogers, but I’m sure you can find it yourself, through scientific research.
Comment by 5th Estate — March 11, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
And if you weren’t here yesterday you should know that according to the trolls nothing we do will help because we’re all going to die from the mercury in our energy efficient lightbulbs. Holy crap!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pmComment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
So Doc…what exactly again is your argument for resisting caps on CO2 emissions? Millions of years ago, in both the cool and warm periods of the climate, there weren’t factories or automobiles or HUMANS contributing to the atmospheric composition of this planet. So…again, why do you combat what you perceive as reactionary (Global Warming “believers”) with reactionary rhetoric of your own? It makes little sense at all.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pmNo, no, no. They use real sheep and inflatable women.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Well, THAT ’splains why there’s no virgin wool in them thar parts!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
I’ll entertain comments about olives and extra virgin olive oil at this time…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pmIf you are wrong – the planet dies. Is that a gamble which sounds like a good one? Would you truly gamble away your childrens future, holding onto the right side talking points about climate change?
I have been asking them this question for a long time. Most don’t answer, but a few did. I believe that Francine said it was willing to bet it’s children’s futures that we are wrong and it is right. I feel so sorry for it’s loved ones.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pmAnd in the next breath they will whine about climate crisis fearmongering. Hey CEI, how do you talk with an oil CEO’s d!ck in your mouths?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pmFortunately, as their money dries up like a Georgia reservoir, these righty stink tanks will become less and less able to hoodwink the MSM with their thinly veiled “press releases”, “research studies”, “policy papers” and so on.
AEI, CEI, Heritage Foundation, and the rest will soon be as unknown-to-the-world as they deserve to be.
I say put those wingnut welfare queens to work cleaning up the landmines and clusterbombs they’ve helped spread around the world. That would be a “community service” sentence I could get behind.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pmShayne, TROS, I spit coffee all over on those remark’s….Your just to quick for this old witch this morning……Have a wonderful day…Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI’ll entertain comments about olives and extra virgin olive oil at this time…
Comment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Can you explain the difference between virgin and extra virgin?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm“… using the science of graphics.’
Comment by 5th Estate — March 11, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
OMG… he’s resorting to Graphonomics now? Graphology?
COLORED CHARTS?????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Not the COLORED CHARTS!
We can’t defeat that! Quick… get Michael Moore and George Soros on the phone! We’ll need Millions, if not Billions, to fight the Colored Charts!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pmThen, of course, there’s all the other crap we release into the environment. Carcinogens, sulfides, hydrocarbons, irritating particulates and particular irritants, a host of exotic chemical compounds which don’t even occur naturally. Then there’s the radioactive fallout. The radioactive particulates, knowingly, generated by burning coal dwarf the worst case scenario for nuclear accidents.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pmAnd in the next breath they will whine about climate crisis fearmongering. Hey CEI, how do you talk with an oil CEO’s d!ck in your mouths?
Comment by lefty — March 11, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
Well they’re getting paid to so that helps. Makes you wonder what they’er so mad a Spitzer about doesn’t it?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pmExtra virgin= first pressing, very green, healthy and tasty
March 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pmVirgin=blended from several pressings, still yummy, but not as “healthy”.
But for those who’ve been convinced that man causes global warming, post all your negative diatribes, it won’t change the science, which is far more compelling than a bunch of screaming liberals and tree huggers.
Comment by DrRogers — March 11, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Says the Dr. who posts not one bit of science. Not one link.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pmI’ll entertain comments about olives and extra virgin olive oil at this time…
Comment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
I dunno… will comments about virgin olive oil be as funny as ones about inflatable women or sheep? I mean, I’m pretty entertained right now! :-D!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmYah! I would like the answer to that also…..Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmThen, of course, there’s all the other crap we release into the environment. Carcinogens, sulfides, hydrocarbons, irritating particulates and particular irritants, a host of exotic chemical compounds which don’t even occur naturally. Then there’s the radioactive fallout. The radioactive particulates, knowingly, generated by burning coal dwarf the worst case scenario for nuclear accidents.
Comment by pete — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Didn’t you read what CEI said, if we don’t release all these toxins people will DIE!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmAlthough the cockroaches might just survive off troll dust.
Comment by Shayne — March 11, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
Not if DrRoger gets to them first and deafens them by the removal of their light-sensitive ear-legs!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmPerhaps more people will want to take neoDarwinist Professor Pianka’s advice:
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=MURDOCK-06-15-06
Eco-misanthropes want better living through mass death
Anyone want to attempt to use the theory of evolution as a reason for telling Professor Pianka that he’s badly mistaken.
Standby. This is only starting to get interesting.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmCEI: Fixing Climate Change Will Cause ‘Death On A Massive Scale’ In The Developing World
Doesn’t abortion around the world already cause ‘Death On A Massive Scale?’ Estimates are that 46,000,000 unborn around the world are destroyed before they take their first breath.
bitblt senses that there’s some sort of “moral imperativeâ€, some sort of “deification of nature†involved with the steadily growing global warming cacophony.
Getting on the global warming bandwagon is a “moral imperative,†while abortion is a “choice.â€
“Deification of nature†– the right religion for the modern, godless age.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmGet your MOONBAT talking points straight.
Methinks you’re the one lost in this thread…
The talking point being discussed is the CEI’s (right-wing) desire to help struggling economies by IGNORING the threat of Climate Change.
Get your head out of your a$$ before taking a breath next time.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pmAfrica used to export food until it’s “leaders†kicked out the evil white farmers.
Get your MOONBAT talking points straight.
“Diane Rodham Ginâ€
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
It was the evil white farmers that deforested the area that expanded the deserts and extended the droughts, idiot. What does any of this have to do with our talking points though, ginbreath?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:41 pmI just want to make Bert Convy live in a cave and brush his teeth with dung.
Deeply ironic when righties (who rail against any form of progress) attack lefties for wanting to “set us back to the dark ages” by altering their precious status quo of naive waste and abuse of our resources.
Sounds to me like the lefties are the real conservatives, and the “conservatives” are just flat-earth luddites with big giant chips on their sloped shoulders who want to tax-and-spend like there’s no tomorrow.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pmHummmm. well after reading the virgin, extra virgin discription guess I can’t go there…Is there just plane olive oil, ya know, one that past the shelf life date and been pressed to much…LOL…..Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pmGet your MOONBAT talking points straight.
“Diane Rodham Ginâ€
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Umm… Bathtub Gin? It’s the CEI talking point you’re refuting here.
Try to pay attention.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:46 pm“Shut down economies”? Puh-lease.
The human race needs to stop burning fossil fuels for convenience. It’s that simple. Making this shift doesn’t damage economies. All it jeopardizes is the short term profits of energy brokers while they implement new delivery systems.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:46 pmComment by Rodham Gin — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Huh? Seriously lame…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pmby bitblt — March 11, 2008 @ 3:38
“Murdock was named runner-up to Keith Comment
pmOlbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann after writing an article titled “Three Cheers for Waterboarding”, in which he called waterboarding “something of which every American should be proud.”
“Murdock received his AB in Government from Georgetown University in 1986 and his MBA in Marketing and International Business from New York University in 1989″
Yeah this is just the buy we’re going to listen too biteme.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pmStandby. This is only starting to get interesting.
Comment by bitblt — March 11, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
That’s a relief. I was afraid that you thought your comment already WAS interesting.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pmI dunno… will comments about virgin olive oil be as funny as ones about inflatable women or sheep? I mean, I’m pretty entertained right now! :-D!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Those olives won’t be virgin once the trolls get their tiny little…never mind..
March 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pmAfrica used to export food until it’s “leaders†kicked out the evil white farmers.
Get your MOONBAT talking points straight.
“Diane Rodham Ginâ€
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Africa still exports food. So does Zimbabwe, in fact. At least, as of 2004, the most recent year available in FAO trade statistics.
Zimbabwe’s problem, of course, is one of cronyism and abysmal financial management which have led to Zimbabwe’s current 10,000% inflation rate. However, models predict that the already difficult situation in Zimbabwe is only going to get worse as the climate changes, and as agribusiness conglomerates divert food stocks for ethanol production.
But hey – thanks for caring about Africa!
Hussein Toasterhead
March 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pmThey only had to pay $30,000 for two weeks worth of ads.
Can you imagine the decline in corruption and political favors, if only our candidates could get such great deals for their ads?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pmHummmm. well after reading the virgin, extra virgin discription guess I can’t go there…Is there just plane olive oil, ya know, one that past the shelf life date and been pressed to much…LOL…..Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — March 11, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
Maybe the “cold pressed” oil would be safer.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pmWhy does bitbit feel abortion is relevant to the topic of global warming?
ralph is very concerned that bitbit may be losing what little sense it has.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pmNow shayne is concerned that ralph is concerned that bitbit may lose sense when shayne knows that bitbit never had a lick of sense before ralph became concerned.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pmLOL.#102…..Blessings….
March 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pmWhy does bitbit feel abortion is relevant to the topic of global warming?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 11, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Misdirection – it’s a classic tactic among wingnuts and magicians alike. Next he’ll be pulling a quarter out of your ear and pushing a cigarette through it.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pm“Deification of nature†– the right religion for the modern, godless age.
Comment by bitblt — March 11, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
How can any religion be any better or any worse than any other. If nature is deified how the the result be “godless”? Is not nature by virtue of the deification a god?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pmRUC is very concerned about Shayne’s concern over ralph’s concern about bitblat’s abortion.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pmHow can any religion be any better or any worse than any other. If nature is deified how the the result be “godless� Is not nature by virtue of the deification a god?
Comment by dbadass — March 11, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
But it’s not the “correct” god.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pmThose olives won’t be virgin once the trolls get their tiny little…never mind..
Comment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Ewww… so, what yer sayin’ is tha trolls aren’t stuffin’ THEIR olives w/ pimentos?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pmIs not nature by virtue of the deification a god?
Comment by dbadass — March 11, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Ssshh… dbadass… you’ll confuse bitblt so bad it’ll get a headache…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pmO.K. I can go to the third person now….The witch is wondering about those funny, tiny little thing’s in the stuffed olive’s…..Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pmComment by bitblt — March 11, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Are you suggesting that the simple ecological concept of carrying capacity applies not to the human species or simply that you do not feel that value has been reached just yet?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pmYou trolls get stupider every single day. You really do.
Oh – and don’t forget to breathe, mmmkay?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pmKind of funny huh?
Comment by Billy Hill — March 11, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Oh, is THAT what you were going for?
Sorry, I didn’t catch that. Must be the new-fangled “conservative comedy” like Beck and O’Reilly practice.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pmEwww… so, what yer sayin’ is tha trolls aren’t stuffin’ THEIR olives w/ pimentos?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Well, it’s the only thing that really ‘fits’ that little instrument of tiny pleasure for gigi, dicklesstracyII, etc.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pmNow were on relegion.? Gee’s I can keep up…Where the hell is my book of shadow’s…..My Goddess gave birth to your god……Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pmHey WitchyOne! Sorry for the portrait of the pathetic troll pleasuring…
March 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pmWhat demands? Why are they unrealistic?
There is no technical reason why every passenger vehicle can’t get 40 mpg (just to pick an arbitrary number). There’s no technical reason not we can’t eliminate the incandescent light bulb. There’s no technical reason we can’t put updated “scrubbers” on every smokestack on Earth etc.
But? Greedy people greedily protect their profits. Vain people vainly protect their vanity and stoopid people stoopidly protect their stoopidity.
As far as I’m concerned anyone stoopid enough to choke on the waste of a 4,000 pound SUV, sitting at a stop light, is free to leave this mortal coil whenever they wish. BUT STOP WRECKING MY HOME WHILE YOU DO IT!
March 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pmCrom is just waiting to squish those other gods into little goddie pieces.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pmBack to the olive’s,….Your quick RUCerious……Alway’s liked your post’s, now I will swear off olive’s forever..LOL….Blessings
March 11th, 2008 at 4:02 pmralph is concerned about all of the residual concern his … um… well, concern for bitbit has spawned.
ralph hopes this doesn’t turn into a concern-fest along the lines of our recent snarkfests.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pmSo the religion most dossal is the better!
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Anyone here translate Gibberish?
“most dossal”???
Dorsal? What do porpoises hafta do w/ this? Are you talking about having a porpoise in life? Seems kinda fishy ta me…
March 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pmComment by RUCerious — March 11, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
And still room to spare, no doubt…
March 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pmComment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Anyone here translate Gibberish?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 11, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
Sorry, TRoS, now whenever I see a post by the stone pile dude, I just assume it will read like Charlie Brown’s teacher sounds.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:10 pmReligion is the evil of all roots.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pmSeems like we have ‘trolls of unusual density’ here today.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pmI’m sorry i meant to say christianity is the best religion!! but I steel love those hores!! and dark matter!
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
See what I mean? The blogosphere equivalent to “Wah wah wah wah wa wah”.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pmwhat about the Al Gore type religion’s?
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Wow, there’s an Al Gore religion now. Well to each there own. Do they coopt a whole bunch of Pagan holidays and then get all pissy about them if the NonGoreists don’t humor their stupid shit?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:31 pm“Diane Rodham Ginâ€
Comment by Rodham Gin — March 11, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Geez Diane, It seems Mugabe is just using the Republicans playbook: Deny, Deny, Deny……. Shift Blame, Shift Blame, Shift Blame.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pmBig Oil (and Coal) leads this oppstion because Global Warming/CLimate Change is an issue that threatens their monopoly of control over energy resources.
The personal profit realized by the CEOs of energy companies will be reduced if, by the alarm over the gross economics of energy use raised by this issue leads to the public turning to more independent alternative energy sources ( solar, geothermal. bio-waste etc and any combination thereof). Far worse though would be if the government encouraged such alternatives.
Big Oil hasn’t developed its own industry in 32 years. Energy efficiency for appliances and cars, and pollution standards have ALWAYS been forced by responsive and responsible governments and ALWAYS been opposed by extant commerical interests as a threat to immediate profits should they be obliged to conform.
The question is, global warming or not, isn’t energy efficiency a sensible and worthwhile goal? Isn’t it also good business? European and Japanese companies have long thought so. Their auto manufacturers aren’t losing billions, US companies are. European and Japanese consumers pay much higher energy costs than US consumers, but their economies are in much better shape than the US because they have been practicing energy efficiency for years.
The “bad for businessand the economy ” argument of the deniers does not hold. None of their arguments hold because it is THEY who are making political arguments whilst the GW/CC camp is making rational apolitical arguments ( and never mind the moral dimension).
March 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pmomment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
See what I mean? The blogosphere equivalent to “Wah wah wah wah wa wahâ€.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 11, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Shayne feels you ralph.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pmComment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
You make about as much sense as tits on a tree.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pmwhat about the Al Gore type religion’s?
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Southern Baptist?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pmAnd above all their intellectual ability is miles above that of a prehistoric conservative! Thanks!
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Well statistics should not be mistaken to ignore exceptions but everyone has seen the numbers as related to political thought and levels of education. I believe even Karl Rove had a thing or two to say on that issue
March 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pmYour right toasterhead! Very Good!! You saw right through that. Man just when I think Progressives are just a bunch of Tree huggers and hippies you got people like Toasterhead to set me straight! Progressives in fact are just the opposite; they care about humanity, the environment and only want what’s best for people! And above all their intellectual ability is miles above that of a prehistoric conservative! Thanks!
Comment by Thecairngman — March 11, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
With apologies to Mark Twain, this post seems to violate rule #7 of the Troll Rules governing Literary Art in Domain of Political Fiction:
“when a personage talks like an illustrated, gilt-edged, tree-calf, hand-tooled, seven- dollar Friendship’s Offering in the beginning of a paragraph, he shall not talk like a negro minstrel in the end of it.”
Only this is the reverse.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pmWell, Thecairngman, I dont think people should think that conservatism, as practiced by the politicians is conservative. Yes, I know they say they will spend less, but the fact is the elected GOP has amassed 9 trillion of the 7 trillion in debt we have.
The so called conservatives of today, thru media and think-tank strawman arguments, undermine their own ideology in order to “win”
We see this paradox in action. You want smaller government then elect a guy who uses fear tactics to create a bigger government.
You want to be free and you allow a terrorist, who hates your freedoms, take them away because you fear him.
You say you want to cut government spending, but rush into wars of choice that increase government spending.
You say that Clinton dissembled the military, but the fact is Rumsfeld and Cheney were responsible for 66% of that cuts in military personnel.
You say Clinton was tax and spend, a popular strawman, yet in George W. Bush’s first term was 48.5 percent in nominal terms. That’s more than twice as large as the increase in discretionary spending during Clinton’s entire two terms (21.6 percent), and just higher than Lyndon Johnson’s entire discretionary spending spree (48.3 percent).
You want smaller budgets, yet Bush gave your a record 3 trillion dollar one.
You want tax cuts, but elected a guy that cut your buying power in half by devaluing the dollar by some 40%.
And no, The cairngman, I dont want you to think like me, I want people to think for themsellves and stop listening to the rubbish being pedaled and actually LOOK at the facts instead of depending on some crowing cranium bloviate on some outdated amplitude modulate radio signal for their political news/views which is really nothing more then controversial obfuscation.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:53 pmMake that 7 trillion of the 9 trillion, my bad.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pmI fail to see how anyone was “got”
March 11th, 2008 at 6:00 pmI fail to see how anyone was “gotâ€
Comment by dbadass — March 11, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
That’s because you haven’t been following the evolution of the troll.
It’s really quite remarkable.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pmThe stone pile guy read an extensive post by Xisithrus which detailed an overwhelming list of Republican “accomplishments” compared to the professed values that were in fact opposed to said accomplishments (thus undermining the believability of those values), and the stone pile dude makes the odd judgment that X “likes conservative values”.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pmI am smart enough to realize how ignorant I am and wise enough to try and reduce my ignorance every day. Even stupid people should be wise enough to do the same.
-me
March 11th, 2008 at 6:14 pmAlso, if every additional word serves to illustrate your ignorance of a subject? Please, STFU!
March 11th, 2008 at 6:19 pmRalph…
I appreciate your transliteration: “the stone pile guy” . I just wanted you to know that. .
March 11th, 2008 at 6:45 pmI don’t see how a pile of rocks is supposed to be any smarter than a sack of rocks.
Are they igneous, or snarkimentary rocks?
March 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pmComment by good_golly — March 11, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Is the Gore thing some kind of kill the messenger type deal or is it something else? Either way, I continue to be more interested in how you might explain the military’s current investment in contingency planning for a changing climate resource shift in geopolitics, acknowledgement by the insurance industry of the need to plan for potential losses due to a changing climate, strategic position of multinational for the staking of claims in new regions of exploration, and all the other responses we are beginning to see. I have no desire to insult the intelligence of anyone but I can’t see any scenario in which an internet nobody somehow is so much more enlightened
March 11th, 2008 at 8:35 pmIs the Gore thing some kind of kill the messenger type deal or is it something else?
Comment by dbadass — March 11, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
It’s an inability to respond to global warming evidence with anything other than opinion pieces by prominent deniers, or the aforementioned attacks on the messengers.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:29 pm“If you cannot lead, leave it to the rest of us. Get out of the way,†declared Kevin Conrad, Papua New Guinea’s ambassador for climate change.
Please. Feel free Mr. CON-rad.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pmDoes G_G have some secret crush on Al Gore? You sound like some high school freshman. Do you want me to pass him a note in study hall?
Oh, you’re the fat pig who is in the marching band, you have no shot.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:17 amThe right has no claim to moral, intellectual or political superiority, and its only weapon is the Big Lie. this is so typical of the emotionally-stunted, immoral pigs and charlatans of the conservative side, the unevolved, barely-human animals that will justify the slaughter of innocent families because their fratboy, deserting president was to lazy to prevent 9/11. the trolls that defend them are even lower on the gutter-level scale, doing their master’s’ bidding out of a sense of fear and ignorance that knows no bounds. one could compaq nc6000 battery,compaq nc8000 battery feel sorry for them on the same level as one feels sorry for worms that the birds dine on.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:25 am