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	<title>Comments on: Escalation Architect Fred Kagan: Ethnic Cleansing In Iraq Is A &#8216;Magnificent Myth&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: batteries</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-2/#comment-5284360</link>
		<dc:creator>batteries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I think what’s very important to understand is that this is a very local phenomenon. People have decided to join these movements because of local conditions on the whole and not because of some big pan-Sunni “Well, you know, now this is how we’re going to get them this time” plan, because you have to keep in mind people also forget the sequence of how these guys become concerned local citizens.

The first reason why they become concerned local citizens is because they don’t want to be killed, because they’re in a middle of a war that they’re losing. And so the first and only deal that we give them is we will agree not to kill them.

We aren’t paying these guys to come over &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/dell/inspiron-b120.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dell inspiron b120 battery&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/dell/inspiron-b130.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dell inspiron b130 battery&lt;/a&gt; to our side; we certainly aren’t arming them. What we’re doing is promising not to kill them in the first instance. Now, that happens on a local basis.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think what’s very important to understand is that this is a very local phenomenon. People have decided to join these movements because of local conditions on the whole and not because of some big pan-Sunni “Well, you know, now this is how we’re going to get them this time” plan, because you have to keep in mind people also forget the sequence of how these guys become concerned local citizens.</p>
<p>The first reason why they become concerned local citizens is because they don’t want to be killed, because they’re in a middle of a war that they’re losing. And so the first and only deal that we give them is we will agree not to kill them.</p>
<p>We aren’t paying these guys to come over <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/dell/inspiron-b120.htm" rel="nofollow">dell inspiron b120 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/dell/inspiron-b130.htm" rel="nofollow">dell inspiron b130 battery</a> to our side; we certainly aren’t arming them. What we’re doing is promising not to kill them in the first instance. Now, that happens on a local basis.”<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5284360', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bunsk</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-2/#comment-4300531</link>
		<dc:creator>bunsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would any news outlet give time to anybodt from aei? By now everybody must know it&#039;s a collection of right wing criminals and hacks who have been wrong about everything. Anything any of them say is denial of reality or outright lies. The should be in prison, not on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would any news outlet give time to anybodt from aei? By now everybody must know it&#8217;s a collection of right wing criminals and hacks who have been wrong about everything. Anything any of them say is denial of reality or outright lies. The should be in prison, not on TV.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4300531', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bogtrotters</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299855</link>
		<dc:creator>bogtrotters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49.  Took the words out of my mouth.  That boy&#039;s jowls haven&#039;t stopped wiggling since his last middle-school wedgie.  Full field gear, armor, weapon and then squeeze his fat ass into an unarmored Humvee to check out just how chummy Al Sadr and the Sunni militia are getting.  I haven&#039;t seen or heard fantasy like his in years--Kagster could make a fortune writing soft porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49.  Took the words out of my mouth.  That boy&#8217;s jowls haven&#8217;t stopped wiggling since his last middle-school wedgie.  Full field gear, armor, weapon and then squeeze his fat ass into an unarmored Humvee to check out just how chummy Al Sadr and the Sunni militia are getting.  I haven&#8217;t seen or heard fantasy like his in years&#8211;Kagster could make a fortune writing soft porn.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299855', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: flavorino</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299683</link>
		<dc:creator>flavorino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put a helmet on this useless lump of flesh, give him a gun and send him to the Iraq streets to give him a taste of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put a helmet on this useless lump of flesh, give him a gun and send him to the Iraq streets to give him a taste of reality.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: flavorino</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299677</link>
		<dc:creator>flavorino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What an insult to our professional military guys these pasty punk wingnut welfare cases like Kagan are.

Comment by tombaker â€” March 12, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
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Typical neocon. 
He looks like he&#039;s spent a lot of time in his youth alone in his room fantasizing...maybe playing with his toy soldiers. 
Real life experience?..........not so much
Actual military service?......You must be joking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What an insult to our professional military guys these pasty punk wingnut welfare cases like Kagan are.</p>
<p>Comment by tombaker â€” March 12, 2008 @ 1:45 pm<br />
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<p>Typical neocon.<br />
He looks like he&#8217;s spent a lot of time in his youth alone in his room fantasizing&#8230;maybe playing with his toy soldiers.<br />
Real life experience?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.not so much<br />
Actual military service?&#8230;&#8230;You must be joking!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299677', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBS did allow Mr. Kagen a platform.  They were specifically addressing the Question: Is the Surge Working.  Mr. Kagen claims that it is.  PBS has offered balance to that position from Nir Rosen, who was very articulate in his position that the surge is really a lull.

From Mr. Rosen :
&quot;But what&#039;s really frightening is that, indeed, when that sectarian fighting will resume -- and it will -- there&#039;s going to be nowhere to run to, because Syria and Jordan have closed their borders to Iraqi refugees; 11 of Iraq&#039;s 18 governors have closed their borders to internally displaced Iraqis. So when the fighting resumes intensively, it&#039;s going to be a slaughter.&quot;

I agree with hellinabucket that the transcript is worth reading...and I applaud PBS for making it&#039;s balanced reporting available on line in transcript form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBS did allow Mr. Kagen a platform.  They were specifically addressing the Question: Is the Surge Working.  Mr. Kagen claims that it is.  PBS has offered balance to that position from Nir Rosen, who was very articulate in his position that the surge is really a lull.</p>
<p>From Mr. Rosen :<br />
&#8220;But what&#8217;s really frightening is that, indeed, when that sectarian fighting will resume &#8212; and it will &#8212; there&#8217;s going to be nowhere to run to, because Syria and Jordan have closed their borders to Iraqi refugees; 11 of Iraq&#8217;s 18 governors have closed their borders to internally displaced Iraqis. So when the fighting resumes intensively, it&#8217;s going to be a slaughter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with hellinabucket that the transcript is worth reading&#8230;and I applaud PBS for making it&#8217;s balanced reporting available on line in transcript form.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299485', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Rock</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299343</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that the AEI is anything but a fact-manufacturing spin machine for the wingnut right (the Scaifes, Coors, and so many others) is another magnificent myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that the AEI is anything but a fact-manufacturing spin machine for the wingnut right (the Scaifes, Coors, and so many others) is another magnificent myth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299343', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fire hose?  Something w/ some real pressure?  And volume?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fire hose?  Something w/ some real pressure?  And volume?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299112</link>
		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A high colonic, maybe?
Comment by missmolly â€” March 12, 2008 @ 2:39 pm&lt;/em&gt;

May I suggest a barbed wire colonoscopy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A high colonic, maybe?<br />
Comment by missmolly â€” March 12, 2008 @ 2:39 pm</em></p>
<p>May I suggest a barbed wire colonoscopy?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299112', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kagan needs a cleansing.

Comment by jb â€” March 12, 2008 @ 1:51 pm

A high colonic, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kagan needs a cleansing.</p>
<p>Comment by jb â€” March 12, 2008 @ 1:51 pm</p>
<p>A high colonic, maybe?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4299017', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sacopenapa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4298964</link>
		<dc:creator>sacopenapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of WMD...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that Saddam Hussein had contacted with Al-Queida...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA is in Iraq to spread &quot;Freedom and Democracy&quot;...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA does not torture...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA&#039;s economy is not on recession and is strong...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the mission is acomplished...
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA has a democratic elected president...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of WMD&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that Saddam Hussein had contacted with Al-Queida&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA is in Iraq to spread &#8220;Freedom and Democracy&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA does not torture&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA&#8217;s economy is not on recession and is strong&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the mission is acomplished&#8230;<br />
Well, thereâ€™s a magnificent myth out thereâ€¦that the USA has a democratic elected president&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298964', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: civil behavior</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4298896</link>
		<dc:creator>civil behavior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the beat goes on...

and on........

and when the revolution starts I&#039;ll join society again.  

Until then these lying sacks are going to take us down as quickly as they can.  They mean business and things are very serious.

Iraq is only their beginning.  They will pull off more unless stopped.


And stop thinking Obama is going to save us.  The guy is not a messiah.  He and Hillary were preselected by media big business for christs sake.


Until Americans get as serious as the Kagans of the world we are  just loud mouth boars like them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the beat goes on&#8230;</p>
<p>and on&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>and when the revolution starts I&#8217;ll join society again.  </p>
<p>Until then these lying sacks are going to take us down as quickly as they can.  They mean business and things are very serious.</p>
<p>Iraq is only their beginning.  They will pull off more unless stopped.</p>
<p>And stop thinking Obama is going to save us.  The guy is not a messiah.  He and Hillary were preselected by media big business for christs sake.</p>
<p>Until Americans get as serious as the Kagans of the world we are  just loud mouth boars like them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298896', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/kagan-ethnic-cleansing/comment-page-1/#comment-4298882</link>
		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why don&#039;t you guys pick on someone else. I was up all night coloring these maps to prove my point!! waah, waah, I&#039;m a little righty, and you guys are no fair!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why don&#8217;t you guys pick on someone else. I was up all night coloring these maps to prove my point!! waah, waah, I&#8217;m a little righty, and you guys are no fair!!&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298882', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kagan needs a cleansing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kagan needs a cleansing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298873', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tombaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tombaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an insult to our professional military guys these pasty punk wingnut welfare cases like Kagan are. 

Anyone notice that, when they want to prove up one of their b.s. claims about Iraq they always have to trot out the same 2 or 3 sold-out stink-tankers who obviously have no morals, no conscience, and no real qualifications.

Those guys best stay away from the bars where the generals and admirals hang out if they want to keep their teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an insult to our professional military guys these pasty punk wingnut welfare cases like Kagan are. </p>
<p>Anyone notice that, when they want to prove up one of their b.s. claims about Iraq they always have to trot out the same 2 or 3 sold-out stink-tankers who obviously have no morals, no conscience, and no real qualifications.</p>
<p>Those guys best stay away from the bars where the generals and admirals hang out if they want to keep their teeth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298862', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
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		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kapgun kan&#039;t read maps, wouldn&#039;t know the truth if it stood directly in front of him and kapped him in the face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kapgun kan&#8217;t read maps, wouldn&#8217;t know the truth if it stood directly in front of him and kapped him in the face.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298854', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Nevar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œDr Nevarâ€â€¦ see?

Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

&lt;em&gt;Thank you. 
You may pay the receptionist on your way out.
See you tomorrow.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œDr Nevarâ€â€¦ see?</p>
<p>Comment by The Republic of Stupidity</p>
<p><em>Thank you.<br />
You may pay the receptionist on your way out.<br />
See you tomorrow.</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298844', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EvilPoet</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilPoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Robert Kagan is senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Yet a founding member of PNAC and a cheerleader for eternal peace. When Kagan says peace he really means war.

Comment by Xisithrus â€” March 12, 2008 @ 12:34 pm&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we&#039;re really talking about peace.&quot; -&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020618-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;President Bush, 06-18-02&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush administration Orwellian logic: The Bush administration&#039;s Orwellian logic, particularly since the events of September 11, 2001, is clearly exemplified by the endlessly growing list of Congressional acts, programs, and initiatives--and language--which are described or employed in such a way as to convey the opposite of what they actually do or intend. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Bush_administration_Orwellian_logic&amp;curid=6004diff=0oldid=0&amp;printable=yes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Continued here...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Robert Kagan is senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.</p>
<p>Yet a founding member of PNAC and a cheerleader for eternal peace. When Kagan says peace he really means war.</p>
<p>Comment by Xisithrus â€” March 12, 2008 @ 12:34 pm</em></p>
<p>&#8220;I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we&#8217;re really talking about peace.&#8221; -<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020618-1.html" rel="nofollow">President Bush, 06-18-02</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>Bush administration Orwellian logic: The Bush administration&#8217;s Orwellian logic, particularly since the events of September 11, 2001, is clearly exemplified by the endlessly growing list of Congressional acts, programs, and initiatives&#8211;and language&#8211;which are described or employed in such a way as to convey the opposite of what they actually do or intend. <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Bush_administration_Orwellian_logic&amp;curid=6004diff=0oldid=0&amp;printable=yes" rel="nofollow">Continued here&#8230;</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Winski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this too and was startled by how clear it is that these folks know NOTHING about reality on the ground... 

It&#039;s obviously too much to ask to have them to come out of their bunkers/think tanks to come on a TV show AND actually go see what&#039;s actually happening before they open their pie-holes. (and he&#039;s eaaten a LOT of pies)...

I think the first commenter summed it up the best:

&quot;Crackpot realism at its finest.

Comment by Xisithrus â€” March 12, 2008 @ 12:31 pm&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this too and was startled by how clear it is that these folks know NOTHING about reality on the ground&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s obviously too much to ask to have them to come out of their bunkers/think tanks to come on a TV show AND actually go see what&#8217;s actually happening before they open their pie-holes. (and he&#8217;s eaaten a LOT of pies)&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the first commenter summed it up the best:</p>
<p>&#8220;Crackpot realism at its finest.</p>
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		<title>By: hellinabucket</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellinabucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read the transcript and Kagan talks in circles and in theory.  He&#039;s a neocon&#039;s neocon.  The other gentleman in the transcript (forgot his name) talks about specifics and actuality.

It&#039;s worth reading.  Shows the delay tactics by Sadr.  It talks of the real fear by the Sunnis that when we leave they will be slaughtered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read the transcript and Kagan talks in circles and in theory.  He&#8217;s a neocon&#8217;s neocon.  The other gentleman in the transcript (forgot his name) talks about specifics and actuality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth reading.  Shows the delay tactics by Sadr.  It talks of the real fear by the Sunnis that when we leave they will be slaughtered.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4298824', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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