McCains stance on the war, which it ISNT, is that we should occupy Iraq for a hundred years.

It’s hard to know where to begin here. First — what, to you, is “total victory”? What does such a victory look like? How will we know when “total victory” is achieved? Will everybody there be waving white flags, like in the movies?

Second — you seem to have great faith that the voters (you know, the American people who want us out of Iraq by a large margin) will somehow change their minds miraculously and support the Iraq occupation to the point of voting for McCain “on that issue alone”. You have not provided any compelling reason for this turnaround, you just say it will happen. This is not a convincing argument for your side. I do agree that the difference between McCain and Obama (or even McCain and Clinton) will be stark and staggering, but this will work in the favor of the Democrats.

Third — you ask if Clinton or Obama will withdraw immediately. Nobody can withdraw immediately. We have too many troops and too much equipment over there to do an instant withdrawal — estimates range from 17 to 22 months as to the time that’s needed to get everybody and everything out. However both Democratic candidates want to get that process started.

Fourth — you accuse Congress of “not even trying to withdraw”. They have made attempts to do just that, only to be obstructed by the Republicans and vetoed by Bush. The only time they will have “plenty of opportunity” will be when they get a veto-proof majority (which looks like a “go” for 2008).

But hey — enjoy your fantasy. You can wallow in it for about eight more months.

For the details, see:
“John McCain: Unfit for Command.”

Comment by ThinkOutsideTheBush — March 12, 2008 @ 2:26 pm

Nah — I think he just ran out of wingnut talking points. That often happens around here.

-jack meoff

Comment by jackball — March 12, 2008 @ 11:25 am

Silly me, and I thought that was the definition of a dictatorship!

Comment by jackball — March 12, 2008 @ 11:25 am

You’re correct, our leaders prefer to change course when there is a patent mistake in the previous path. Congratulations, you love leaders too stubborn/stupid to take the correct decission.

Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 12, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

Maybe he decided that he can’t fight for “victory” away from home all the time. His wife and children need to be fed and taken care of too. The family at home can’t be ignored forever. Sometimes the cost of a so-called “victory” is not worth it.

Comment by missmolly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:57 pm

Damn… is this one of those “smart missiles”???

Bulls Eye.

Another “smoking crater”* at TP.

H/T to Wayne fer that one.

He’ll definitely nuke Iran, and reinstate the draft so he can try to occupy the entire Middle East.

What’s he got to lose? He knows he’s not long for this Earth, so why not go for broke and unleash every militant revenge fantasy he’s ever obsessed over. He doesn’t care about “the american people” because they didn’t suffer like he did.

Dubbie at least has to live with the shame for a while. McMaverick can go balls-out on day one without a care in the world for what anyone thinks of it or what the real consequences are.

our missmolly: so elegant, so reasoned, so eloquent.

So surgical and deadly.

Yay, missmolly!

Comment by jackball — March 12, 2008 @ 12:55 pm

I live in North Carolina, and a few years ago, we got our very own National Hockey League franchise, the Carolina Hurricanes. They were a bit of a curiosity at first, but interest quickly waned in hockey because the population here is much more interested in college basketball and NASCAR.

Then came the 2005-2006 season. And the Hurricanes were winning. And winning. And winning. All the way up to the Stanley Cup. During the season, interest in the team grew. By the time the Hurricanes reached the playoffs, interest was a fever pitch, and by the time of the Stanley Cup finals, it was tough to find a car around here that didn’t have Hurricane flags flying from the windows.

This sort of thing happens a great deal in the sports world. Not so much with war, except for those of you who view war as a giant spectator sport.

Most Americans oppose our occupation of Iraq. We don’t see it as a sporting event as much as a tragedy that’s costing lives on both sides and serving as a marvelous recruiting tool for more terrorists. It really doesn’t matter if we are winning, losing, or stalemated — as long as we are there, Americans will want us out. If it’s important to declare “victory” while we withdraw, fine.

Not only am I smart enough to understand this, but I’m smart enough to spell “losing” correctly.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 12, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

S’all good, what are friends for?

Comment by Bilbo Hussein Baggins — March 12, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

Weirdly, Hillary may wind up being more Rovian than McCain. It is too early to tell yet, of course, but so far the sparring between McCain and O has been pretty issue oriented and civil, unlike Hillary’s attacks. Mac has distanced himself from several cheapshots coming from surrogates. Whether he can keep the attack dogs on a choke chain forever – even if he wants to – is another question.

It is now since the real purpose of the surge (to provide the Iraqi’s stability to get their act together) hasn’t come to pass. So, in a typical Bush move, they have once again moved the goalpost.

I’ve got news for you ignorant troll. missmolly is 10 times smarter than you are and can and will run rings around you.

I still say this one is BERT’s new incarnation.