Right Wing Jubilant Over Fallon’s Resignation: It’s ‘Good News’
Right Wing Jubilant Over Fallon’s Resignation: It’s ‘Good News’
Yesterday, CentCom commander Adm. William Fallon submitted his resignation on the heels of an Esquire article reporting that he has been “brazenly challenging” President Bush’s Middle East policy. Fallon opposed the “surge” in Iraq and has consistently battled the Bush administration to avoid a confrontation with Iran, calling officials’ war-mongering “not helpful.”
Right-wing war hawks are glad to see Fallon go. The Wall Street Journal Editoral board wrote today that Fallon’s resignation is “good news” because it will allow Bush to begin “to pay attention to the internal Pentagon dispute” over Iraq withdrawal. That, in turn, will relieve “pressure” on Gen. David Petraeus so he can fight “a frontal war against Islamist militants, not a rearguard action with Pentagon officials.”
The New York Sun ed board followed suit, arguing the “real news” of Fallon’s resignation is that Petraeus might get to take over as CentCom commander, which would be “far better for the man who cracked Al Qaeda in Iraq to be given the broader command in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.”
But most excited by Fallon’s departure is Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Max Boot. Writing an op-ed titled “Fallon didn’t get it” in the LA Times today, Boot cited the Esquire article’s notation that Fallon wanted to banish the phrase “long war” against al Qaeda. But acccording to Boot, its “good news” that Fallon is leaving because Esquire did not offer “any hint of how Fallon intends to defeat our enemies overnight.”
Boot seems most upset that Fallon — who he ridiculed as one of the “guys who think they’re smart” — has been “undermining” Bush’s Iran strategy:
Fallon’s very public assurances that America has no plans to use force against Iran embolden the mullahs. […]
[T]here is no doubt that the president wants to maintain pressure on Iran, and that’s what Fallon has been undermining. […]
By irresponsibly taking the option of force off the table, Fallon makes it more likely, not less, that there will ultimately be an armed confrontation with Iran.
Steve Clemons writes that those “excited” about “the prospects of a hot conflict with Iran” now that Fallon is gone need to “stop hyperventilating” because sources tell him that “the diplomatic course is still dominant and preferred.”
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Now they can sing, “Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran.”
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IMPEACH
ANYONE?
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March 12th, 2008 at 1:48 pmbloodthirsty righties.
sounds like manson family after-dinner conversation.
you’re a good little soldier Mr. Golly - too bad you take orders from a cheerleader.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm.
McLOL
Gigi,
So, if the president orders you to murder, you can tell the president “in private” how morally and legally it’s wrong and reprehensible, but publicly you better carry it out?
McGigi’s McLoyalty is McAwesome… NO?
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March 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pmGoose-steppin GG
March 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pmIt is not a General’s job to question policy. It is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
It is when you’re faced having to deal with a military deserting moron who relys on “cowboys diplomacy” ; who the hell on the planet is gonna be intimidated by a military deserting chickenshit who looks like the long-lost identical twin of Mad Magazine’s Alfred E Neumann ?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pmIt is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Gigi has a strange idea of “leadership” in military officers.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:54 pmEffing madmen. If anyone is going to drop a bunker-buster nuke ANYWHERE - it ought to be on the friggin’ White House.
And no, I’m absolutely NOT sorry for expressing this sentiment.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:54 pmCome on, Gigi… say “Superdelegate #9″ one more time.
Please?
For old times’ sake?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pmGigi has a strange idea of “leadership†in military officers.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — March 12, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
Leadership to some people *cough cough* means having them told when to bend over and for how long.
Ok, maybe Shut up and swallow, b!tch.
Some women do seriously have their heads up their respective a$$es.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm“… but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.”
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Then we can trust the same degree of fealty when President Obama is the the WH?
Saaaay… what about all the wingnut trash talking when Clinton was in the POTUS?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pmIt is WELL-KNOWN that if the US attacks Iran, which has a LARGE ARMY who will FIGHT BACK,
the Shia-dominated Iraq will then proceed to SLAUGHTER the 170,000 troops in Iraq as payback.
Their blood will be on the hands of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
Oh well, live by the McSword…
March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pmAh yes… the wingnuttery do luvs themselves their mass wargasms…
March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pmgooney; the “I was just following orders” defense is not going to work. see: the Nuremberg Trials.
The men & women in the military swear an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. their oath of allegiance is to that document, not some wannabe fuhrer.
for an alleged attorney, DAMN! YOU DUMB!
March 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pmIt is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Whatever happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field , dimwit ?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pmshut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly
I thought the Nuremberg Trials eliminated that little line of thinking…?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pmThat’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes,
an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn,
world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak,, grunt, no, strength,
The ladder starts to clatter with fear fight down height.
Wire in a fire, representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.
Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing!
Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it’ll do.
Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right - right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Six o’clock - TV hour. Don’t get caught in foreign towers.
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn.
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting.
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed. Uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier.
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
(I feel fine)
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev. Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
It’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pmIt’s the end of the world as we know it. (It’s time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (It’s time I had some time alone) and I feel fine…
The military is fed up with the disdainful treatment and abuse from the GOP administration.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pmIt is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Whatever happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field , dimwit ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
BAM! Shut the door!
Gigi’s been served!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pmIt is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Whatever happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field , dimwit ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
It the OFFICIAL RapeubliNazi DOUBLE-STANDARD of “convenience”.
RIP, 170,000 US Troops in Iraq.
Be aware that your DEATHS can be attributed to the LIES of WAR CRIMINALS TRAITORS who got DRAFT DEFERMENTS in THEIR day.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pmActually gg, it WAS Fallon’s job to have an opinion on Middle East matters and to express it. He was the CENTCOM chief and therefore more qualified to HAVE that opinion and more INFORMED than anyone in Washington… that’s why the President has advisors… read “Team of Rivals” to find out how a real President manages his advisors- the cabinet is not the board room and ‘yes’ men have no place there…
March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pmWhy does the NeoCon scum hate mankind and want to destroy the world?
Do they envision Mad Max Thunderdome as the world they want to live in?
What is wrong with their thinking process?
Are they just so ignorant and hateful that their peanut sized brain can’t comprehend the consequences of an attack on Iran?
I just don’t understand the mind of subhuman scum I guess.
Buck Hussein Fush
March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pmComment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
What?!? Off topic a no-no? Geez… THAT’S never stopped g-g before.
Is g_g really just a teaser, ‘n not a pleaser?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pmWiki says of the New York Sun: “The Sun is “known for its pugnacious coverage of Jewish-related issues”;[6] in particular, it is “a strong proponent of Israel’s right to defend itself.”[4] It has published articles by pro-Israel reporter Aaron Klein.”
One of its founders is Conrad Black who is imprisoned until 2013 on charges of mail fraud and obstruction of justice.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pmNah, that would be off topic here.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Never stopped you before.
Come on… do it. Say “Superdelegate #9″.
All the cool kids are doin’ it.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pmTRoS,
March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pmSorry about your chow mein regurgitation last night.
It is not a General’s job to question policy. It is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
want to source that statement with a footnote and bibliography…?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pmDoes NO ONE care if the Shias in Iraq SLAUGHTER the troops there because Iran is attacked?
So much for the PNAC boys “supporting” (bvttfkcing) the troops.
RIP, 170,000 US troops.
AWOL coward and COXUCKER punk TRAITOR Bush has signed your DEATH WARRANT.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pmMeanwhile…
the sycophantic press is covering a governor’s sex life, while Cheney and his PNAC pals are preparing an imminent attack on Iran.
And if McBomb gets in, RIP America.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pmIf the Cheerleader-in-Chief orders Mr. Golly to do something, he will do it - no questions asked.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — March 12, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
gg just hates to be teased with her own words.
:)
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March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pmIt is not a General’s job to publicly question policy. It is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow lawful orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Except that attacking Iran would be unlawful, as Congress has not issued a declaration of war nor an authorization of use of force against Iran.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pmSorry about your chow mein regurgitation last night.
Comment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Thasss all right, Kei’t, me boyo… thasss all right.
Sayyyy… you ever eat whilst posting? What time?
I’ll jes’ be waaaintin’ ‘n watchin’ ‘n biddin’ my time…
Thasss all right.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pmIt is not a General’s job to question policy. It is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
“follow lawful orders when given.”
And he hasn’t been given any lawful orders, since the invasion was illegal. So, once, again, your ignorance of law is highlighted, as is your racism and hatred of our troops. You are a Nazi, no more, no less. A tool, an unthinking traitor. Shame is on you.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pmIt’s time for Americans to cut their bondage to Militarism.
Just say NO.
To abandon conscience for a morally dubious nationalism is reprehensible.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:09 pmIt is not a General’s job to publicly question policy. It is a General’s job to privately make his opinion known to the Commander in Chief when asked, but to shut the hell up and follow lawful orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
That little re-write still doesn’t explain Chimpy’s lying claim of listening to his commanders in the field ; please answer the q
March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pmquestion
March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm#30, quit talking like the righties have a clue about consequences. They don’t. It’s bomb first, ask questions later. The military that is bordering on breakdown will be pushed over the edge with a new front being opened……which will open up fresh opportunities for Blackwater to become more mainstream in both foreign and domestic efforts.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pmThe only way an attack on Iran (or Iraq) would be legal is if it was passed by the UN Security Council. And I don’t mean go in until you realize the Security Council’s vote will be 11-4 against and then pull out. The UN Charter was signed by the US making it the law of the US.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pmTroops and all under privileged citizens are throw aways to this administration…evidently so are any Admirals or Generals who don’t lie for the glory of the GOP.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pmImpeach.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pmmaking it the law of the US.
Comment by Keith — March 12, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
The law… **snicker** of… the US??? **chortle**
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… whew… good one, keith…
Oh wait, you weren’t kidding… my bad.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pmSorry GG, that pretty much went out the window when the Bush administration started using Generals as cheerleaders for war by bringing them out in press conferences defending the Bush policies. I don’t believe you ever complained about Abizaid or Pace saying what a wonderfully great job Bush is doing and that everything he touches turns to gold. Is THAT in their job description?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pmActually gg, it WAS Fallon’s job to have an opinion on Middle East matters and to express it. He was the CENTCOM chief and therefore more qualified to HAVE that opinion and more INFORMED than anyone in Washington… that’s why the President has advisors… read “Team of Rivals†to find out how a real President manages his advisors- the cabinet is not the board room and ‘yes’ men have no place there…
Comment by belac — March 12, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
This is all true, but Fallon’s mistake was to go public with his disgreement. We have civilians setting policy, not military personnel.
Seperate from this particular situation, you really don’t want generals making policy pronouncements that are in conflict with the civilian leadership, UNLESS the civilian leadership is taking part in clearly unconstitutional activities, in which case they should be impeached.
Think for a second. If President Obama were pursuing aggressive diplomacy but had taken force off the table and the Cent-Com commander said in public “Iran won’t be allowed to develop a nuke on my watch”, you guys would demand his ouster. That is essentially what DID happen to McArthur vis Truman.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm“follow lawful orders when given.â€
Comment by Lefty Patriot — March 12, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
“lawful orders”?
to gg (and republicans) that’s a “quaint” and “obsolete” rule.
more here:
http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1200600905.shtml
March 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pmActually gg, it WAS Fallon’s job to have an opinion on Middle East matters and to express it. He was the CENTCOM chief and therefore more qualified to HAVE that opinion and more INFORMED than anyone in Washington… that’s why the President has advisors… read “Team of Rivals†to find out how a real President manages his advisors- the cabinet is not the board room and ‘yes’ men have no place there…
Comment by belac — March 12, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
This is all true, but Fallon’s mistake was to go public with his disgreement. We have civilians setting policy, not military personnel.
Seperate from this particular situation, you really don’t want generals making policy pronouncements that are in conflict with the civilian leadership, UNLESS the civilian leadership is taking part in clearly unconstitutional activities, in which case they should be impeached.
Think for a second. If President Obama were pursuing aggressive diplomacy but had taken force off the table and the Cent-Com commander said in public “Iran won’t be allowed to develop a nuke on my watchâ€, you guys would demand his ouster. That is essentially what DID happen to McArthur vis Truman.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
You are a similar apologist tool for our imbecilic president ; what happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field ?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm46 - good thing, too - because MacArthur had lost his mind.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pmHey Reichies, we no longer have a military to use against Iran, even if it was justified. The worst attack you could pull off at this point, is dropping marsh mellow peeps.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pmComment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
macarthur was fired.
fallon resigned.
i think i could kick your ass in “jeopardy”.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pmWhen all is said and done we are going to be equally angry at those that did not impeach the murderers… this is bad news and WE ALL KNOW THE GIGGLING MURDEROUS IDIOTS ARE ITCHING FOR ANOTHER MASSACRE.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmUNLESS the civilian leadership is taking part in clearly unconstitutional activities, in which case they should be impeached.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
I agree with you- but you have to wonder why all these Generals suddenly feel compelled to go public? Could it be that they are being ignored and silenced in private? Nah, they probably just decided to end their careers to get a soundbite on CNN and a couple of morning shows on Sunday, huh?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmYou are a similar apologist tool for our imbecilic president ; what happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
My entire point is the importance of civilian authority over military authority. It has nothing to do with Bush per se.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pmHey Reichies, we no longer have a military to use against Iran, even if it was justified. The worst attack you could pull off at this point, is dropping marsh mellow peeps.
Comment by McWars — March 12, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
We could release the prisoners in jail over there ; especially Cunningham and Abramoff . And Romney’s 5 sons need jobs now , too ; seeing as how their father’s candidacy did about as well as Chimpy’s presidency has gone.
And , oh yeah
Chimpy’s and Laura’s ho daughters , along with Dickhead’s and his ugly wife’s daughter , are gonna’ be the 1st trio that should have to step foot on Iranian soil ; NO EXCEPTION MADE.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pmYou are a similar apologist tool for our imbecilic president ; what happened to Chimpy’s lie of listening to his commanders in the field ?
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
My entire point is the importance of civilian authority over military authority. It has nothing to do with Bush per se.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
It’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian” who is wielding that “authority” , be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.
Proud of your ignorance ?
And it still doesn’t remove nor answer my question ……………..
March 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pmImpeach.
Comment by Kay
March 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pmIt appears to me that mass murder, lies to go to war, treason, robbing of our treasury, spying on Americans is not worthy of impeachment… but let someone cheat on his wife, well then you have a case.
The WSJ doesn’t have a clue about how to fight “Islamist Militants”, which it makes clear in stating that Fallon’s resignation “will relieve “pressure†on Gen. David Petraeus so he can fight “a frontal war against Islamist militants.”
If there is a place where we need to focus our military effort, it is in the Northwest Frontier where Bin Laden and lieutenants are located.
Otherwise we should be cooperating with international police and intelligence organizations to root out terrorist cells worldwide. They are our biggest threats.
The war in Iraq is an unnecessary sideshow, which only strengthens our enemy.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmThink for a second. If President Obama were pursuing aggressive diplomacy but had taken force off the table and the Cent-Com commander said in public “Iran won’t be allowed to develop a nuke on my watchâ€, you guys would demand his ouster. That is essentially what DID happen to McArthur vis Truman.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
I think it depends on the situation. If there were mounds of evidence that pointed to an imminent attack by Iran, or any other country, on the U.S. mainland that was being ignored by President Obama, and a CINC began bringing this to the attention of the public, I’d tend to support the CINC.
If, on the other hand, the General was clearly off his rocker and pushing for a pointless war against a country that poses no threat, I’d want that General resigned or at least reassigned.
For me, it’s not about loyalty to politicians - it’s about loyalty to the truth.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pm>>macarthur was fired. fallon resigned.
There is some debate on whether fallon wanted to go or was forced to go, but the point is the same
i think i could kick your ass in “jeopardyâ€.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Now THAT is the unkindest thing anyone has ever said to me here ;)
March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmThe war in Iraq is an unnecessary sideshow, which only strengthens our enemy.
Comment by Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon — March 12, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Those like Kelt boy , Goof_Jelly , Southern Spam and Excrement should kindly be “thanked” for that occurrence ……………
March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmfollow lawful orders when given.
Comment by good_golly — March 12, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Bombing Iran for absolutely no reason will not be following lawful orders.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmThere’s still time for Impeachment for Chimpy :
would someone please give him a blow job? Gannon? Foley?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmforgot. Craig?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pmMy entire point is the importance of civilian authority over military authority. It has nothing to do with Bush per se.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Then I guess it’s fair to assume you condemn Botch’s occasional deliberate wearing of military outfits, like the flight suit. That would appear to blur that line between civilian and military authority.
Saaayyy… wasn’t Uncle Adolph fond of that sort of thing too?
‘Course, even he didn’t wear a codpiece in public…
March 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pmThere’s still time for Impeachment for Chimpy :
would someone please give him a blow job? Gannon? Foley?
Comment by Kay — March 12, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Kelt Boy ? Southern Spam ? Excrement ?
Wait ……….What will screw with everyone’s mind is if Goof_Jelly , a woman , actually did it ; everyone knows that the GOP would be aghast if a Republican politician was with a woman ………….
March 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pmThere is some debate on whether fallon wanted to go or was forced to go, but the point is the same
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
that sentence makes no sense and is missing punctuation.
are you alright?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmIt’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian†who is wielding that “authority†, be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.
Proud of your ignorance ?
And it still doesn’t remove nor answer my question ……………..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Sorry, but if you want rule of law you have to have it all the time. We are not Turkey or Pakistan - the Army has no place in removing a civilian leader, NONE. Your or my opinion of the quality of the civilian leadership is irrelevant as far as the process goes.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmKeltoi, Do you back that stance when it comes to Grenada?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pmThe war in Iraq is an unnecessary sideshow, which only strengthens our enemy. -Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon
Well said, Colonel, I have nothing to add as you summed it up in one sentence.
Thank you for your service.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pmSorry, but if you want rule of law you have to have it all the time. We are not Turkey or Pakistan - the Army has no place in removing a civilian leader, NONE. Your or my opinion of the quality of the civilian leadership is irrelevant as far as the process goes.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
I agree with that. Removing a President is not the job of the military. It is the job of Congress.
And we have a gutless wonder as Speaker, Nancy “Table Phobic” Pelosi, who is deliberately blocking all efforts to move the impeachment papers already filed, like she is a Republican Speaker of the House.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmYour or my opinion of the quality of the civilian leadership is irrelevant as far as the process goes.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Sounds like the Good German Defense to me…
March 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmSo will these “right wingers” send their children off to fight in the middle east or perhaps volunteer themselves? What, no you say? Not surprised at that. Please may the Rapture come and take them away.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pmHeh, Keltoi said rule of law. Sorry, that just tickled the old funny bone.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pmThank you for your service.
Comment by Zimzone — March 12, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
Only thing I’d add is, that it’s more than just a sideshow. It’s a blood soaked nightmare that’s helping to destroy this country.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pmComment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
a conservative pontifacating on “the rule of law”.
truly a supernatural case of hypocracy.
how long did it take you to become fluent in “newspeak”?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe issue is not civilian control of the military. The issue is that whenever someone in the military dares to speak the obvious truth—-they are fired, “retired”, or passed over. The current administration has been struggling with the Pentagon for the past two years. The White House wants to attack Iran and the Pentagon realizes how catastrophic it would be in 25 different ways.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe war in Iraq is an unnecessary sideshow, which only strengthens our enemy.
Comment by Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon — March 12, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Amen bro.
I have been saying the same thing here for quite a while.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pmAll military commanders must always obey their CinC, even to the point of riding the bomb down the chute ala Slim Pickins.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pmRighty tighty thinking.
The chymp shows the selective hearing of a five year old.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:41 pmIt’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian†who is wielding that “authority†, be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.
Proud of your ignorance ?
And it still doesn’t remove nor answer my question ……………..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Sorry, but if you want rule of law you have to have it all the time. We are not Turkey or Pakistan - the Army has no place in removing a civilian leader, NONE. Your or my opinion of the quality of the civilian leadership is irrelevant as far as the process goes.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“The rule of law” that has gone out the window with this garbage administration ; you’ve got nerve claiming something that ridiculously foolish…….
Don’t try and correct my “view” of civilian leadership ever again , you ignorant clod ; didn’t you vote for Chimpy TWICE , jackass ?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pmCheck a mirror …………
that sentence makes no sense and is missing punctuation.
are you alright?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Um…yeah. There has been some speculation here that Fallon was TOLD to resign, so in effect fired. Kapeesh?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pmThere has been some speculation here that Fallon was TOLD to resign, so in effect fired. Kapeesh?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
1. speculation?
2. speculation HERE?
Aw… and yet you never take us seriously…
Kapeesh?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pmkeltoi = tracy2
March 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pmKeltoi, you knew that bombing a country or even the threat of using force without the approval of the UNSC is AGAINST the UN Charter and a violation of international law?
Rule of law… whatever.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pmthat sentence makes no sense and is missing punctuation.
are you alright?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Um…yeah. There has been some speculation here that Fallon was TOLD to resign, so in effect fired. Kapeesh?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
It’s , “Capisce” , moron ………………..
March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pmKeltoi, Do you back that stance when it comes to Grenada?
Comment by hellinabucket — March 12, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
Could you clarify that question a tad? I am not sure what part of Grenada you are refering to.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pmkeltoi = tracy2
Comment by Fred — March 12, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Well , they are both arrogant morons …………..
March 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pmDon’t try and correct my “view†of civilian leadership ever again , you ignorant clod ; didn’t you vote for Chimpy TWICE , jackass ?
Check a mirror …………
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
This is why I rarely bother responding to you - it is as if you don’t read repsonses to your posts.
I didn’t vote for Bush ONCE - get it?
As far as correcting your view, if your view is that the chain of command established by the Constitution is situational to your opinion of the quality of the President, that is just wrong, sorry.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm>>1. speculation?
Yes.
>>2. speculation HERE?
Yes
>>Aw… and yet you never take us seriously…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
Some more than others, but many I take very seriously.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pmSo, when the 170,000 troops are SLAUGHTERED by the Shias in Iraq as payback for attacking Iran,
WHAT will the USA do for an ARMY?
RIP, US TROOPS.
Killed by an AWOL coward COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA…
March 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pmkeltoi = tracy2
Comment by Fred — March 12, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Well , they are both arrogant morons …………..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Actually arguing that military should take Bush out is moronic.
Why not address the real problem that is blocking removing Bush.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pmThe Supposed Democratic Leadership is blocking impeachment efforts, either because they think they will gain politically or they are in cahoots with Bushco. Either way it is THEY that are also not enforcing Rule of Law and not Protecting the Constitution, as they swore to do when they took the Oath of Office.
Um…yeah. There has been some speculation here that Fallon was TOLD to resign, so in effect fired. Kapeesh?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
“kapeesh?” (did you make that word up?)
speculate all you want, got any facts?
“…so in effect fired.”
“so in effect he was fired.”
this could help you:
http://www.whitesmoke.com/
it’s so easy and intuative even chimpy can use it!
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March 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pmUm…yeah. There has been some speculation here that Fallon was TOLD to resign, so in effect fired. Kapeesh?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
btw, this will help you with your “affect/effect” problem:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html
good luck!
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March 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmkeltoi = tracy2
Comment by Fred — March 12, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Well , they are both arrogant morons …………..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Actually arguing that military should take Bush out is moronic.
Why not address the real problem that is blocking removing Bush.
The Supposed Democratic Leadership is blocking impeachment efforts, either because they think they will gain politically or they are in cahoots with Bushco. Either way it is THEY that are also not enforcing Rule of Law and not Protecting the Constitution, as they swore to do when they took the Oath of Office.
Comment by Wayne — March 12, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
Can someone point out to me where I made the claim that the military should remove Shrub ?
Kelt Boy intimated that I made that claim ; which I most certainly did not……..
March 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Keltool tries to pretend he’s just here to “debate”, but all he really ever does is subtly undermine, twist, distort, and misdirect.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmkeltoi = tracy2
Comment by Fred — March 12, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Well , they are both arrogant morons …………..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Actually arguing that military should take Bush out is moronic.
Why not address the real problem that is blocking removing Bush.
The Supposed Democratic Leadership is blocking impeachment efforts, either because they think they will gain politically or they are in cahoots with Bushco. Either way it is THEY that are also not enforcing Rule of Law and not Protecting the Constitution, as they swore to do when they took the Oath of Office.
Comment by Wayne — March 12, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
The Chimpy administration is far more guilty of shirking their duty and breaking their oath(s) to defend the Constitution than the Dems ………
Though those cowards certainly don’t deserve a pass , either.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmDon’t try and correct my “view†of civilian leadership ever again , you ignorant clod ; didn’t you vote for Chimpy TWICE , jackass ?
Check a mirror …………
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
This is why I rarely bother responding to you - it is as if you don’t read repsonses to your posts.
I didn’t vote for Bush ONCE - get it?
As far as correcting your view, if your view is that the chain of command established by the Constitution is situational to your opinion of the quality of the President, that is just wrong, sorry.
Comment by Keltoi
Apparently he did read your post……and voting for nader is voting for bush.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
shhh… keloi’s thinking.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmmany I take very seriously.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
Gee… I wish I could return the compliment… but I do find you extremely annoying.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:14 pmCan someone point out to me where I made the claim that the military should remove Shrub ?
Kelt Boy intimated that I made that claim ; which I most certainly did not……..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Well, McMetal, that is what is called a strawman. Trolls like em.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Keltool tries to pretend he’s just here to “debateâ€, but all he really ever does is subtly undermine, twist, distort, and misdirect.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
He’s absolutely full of shit ; and he laughably words his posts into such condescending , over-loaded bunch of garbage heaped upon an existing dung pile.
That boy is a typical delusional chump ; believing he’s among the most talented and intelligent , when he’s scraping the bottom on both counts.
He’d make a good human Bathysphere or Bathyscaphe………….
March 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
shhh… keloi’s thinking.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
About what ?
Another outright accusatory lie ?
He’s a brainless little simp………….
March 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pmApparently he did read your post……and voting for nader is voting for bush.
Comment by Fred — March 12, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
Nader is a traitor to his supposed cause and a traitor to America ; and he’s attempting to repeat his unforgivable trangression of 2000……….
March 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
relax guys. when we invade iran keloi will be the first to go in.
he’ll be leading the troops with a sword in one hand and his dick in the other yelling “this is for rush! this is for rush!”
i think it’s going to be a real “youtube” moment in history.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:20 pmCan someone point out to me where I made the claim that the military should remove Shrub ?
Kelt Boy intimated that I made that claim ; which I most certainly did not……..
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Well, McMetal, that is what is called a strawman. Trolls like em.
Comment by Sabyen91 — March 12, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
He should be slapped ; not looking for any honest discussion or reasoning.
Just stating his presumptious crap and then filling in the blanks with inane positions and bullshit rhetoric.
Just another example of someone who hates themself and hates America.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pmOkay, I’ll try:
“It’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian†who is wielding that “authority†, be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.”
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Now, when I read that, it seemed to me you were intimating that since Bush is not qualified to have executive authority, the chain of command was not valid. Perhaps I read you wrong. What was the point of the above statement?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pmComment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
relax guys. when we invade iran keloi will be the first to go in.
he’ll be leading the troops with a sword in one hand and his dick in the other yelling “this is for rush! this is for rush!â€
i think it’s going to be a real “youtube†moment in history.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
Don’t you mean his dick hidden inside a thimble ?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pmNader is a traitor to his supposed cause and a traitor to America ; and he’s attempting to repeat his unforgivable trangression of 2000……….
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
No he’s not. He’s just a traitor to the two-party hegemony. The “transgression” of 2000 shows how many other Americans are sick of this system as well.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pmSay, Keltoi - have you read Naomi Wolf’s book yet? “The End of America - Letters of Warning to a Young Patriot”…?
Read that, and I might take you seriously.
~L.Hussein Annie
March 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pmOkay, I’ll try:
“It’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian†who is wielding that “authority†, be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.â€
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Now, when I read that, it seemed to me you were intimating that since Bush is not qualified to have executive authority, the chain of command was not valid. Perhaps I read you wrong. What was the point of the above statement?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
That those like yourself , Southern Spam , Goof_Jelly , Excrement and the rest of the GOP/Chimpy backers should really shut the hell up ; you’re all 0-for-7-years and your prognosticating and (non)abilities to properly come up with any reasonable solution or answer to a problem or predicament is a glaring statement that you’re not interested in the US or Americans.
Just your own non-existent greatness , hearing yourselves speak/seeing your own post(s) , and/or your political party affiliation …………
March 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pmjoe; you can’t be snarkserious. I wish you would not say thinking and keltoi in the same sentence.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pmComment by Leftside Annie — March 12, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
let him read this first:
“The day before the invasion, Bill O’Reilly said, “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it’s clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation; I will not trust the Bush administration again, all right?”
~ joe hussein cantwell
March 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pmNo he’s not. He’s just a traitor to the two-party hegemony. The “transgression†of 2000 shows how many other Americans are sick of this system as well.
Comment by toasterhead
I agree toasterhead, but it is the reality of today. We can surely figure out a way to make it more inclusive but never will we be able to do that with recurives in total power……
March 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pmhe’ll be leading the troops with a sword in one hand and his dick in the other yelling “this is for rush! this is for rush!â€
i think it’s going to be a real “youtube†moment in history.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
Hat trick, joe!
3rd straight day ya knocked me out! :-D!!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pmNader is a traitor to his supposed cause and a traitor to America ; and he’s attempting to repeat his unforgivable trangression of 2000……….
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
No he’s not. He’s just a traitor to the two-party hegemony. The “transgression†of 2000 shows how many other Americans are sick of this system as well.
Comment by toasterhead — March 12, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
I myself am sick of the 2 party monopoly system ; but I realized with ease that Nader is not the one to break that , especially at that time.
And I KNEW what a useless liar and jughead the imbecile from Crawford was and always will be.And I wasn’t really enamored with Gore , specifically because of his wife and her nonsensical start-up of that PMRC group.But , we all have flaws.
Those like Chimpy , and the horseshit GOP unfortunately , seem to have an endless supply.
Their limitations seem limitless………………
March 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOkay, I’ll try:
“It’s a wee bit more important that the “civilian†who is wielding that “authority†, be manifestly qualified to do so ; Chimpy simply is not , and you’re one of the reasons why he has that power.â€
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Now, when I read that, it seemed to me you were intimating that since Bush is not qualified to have executive authority, the chain of command was not valid. Perhaps I read you wrong. What was the point of the above statement?
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
That those like yourself , Southern Spam , Goof_Jelly , Excrement and the rest of the GOP/Chimpy backers should really shut the hell up ; you’re all 0-for-7-years and your prognosticating and (non)abilities to properly come up with any reasonable solution or answer to a problem or predicament is a glaring statement that you’re not interested in the US or Americans.
Just your own non-existent greatness , hearing yourselves speak/seeing your own post(s) , and/or your political party affiliation …………
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Right! Never mind.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pmThen I’m ordering you to shut up!
There… if I had only known it was THAT easy.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pmGood Golly is right.
You don’t question your orders - especially not in public.
Comment by Frank M — March 12, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
read. then post a comment.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pmGood Golly is right.
You don’t question your orders - especially not in public.
Comment by Frank M — March 12, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Good Golly has ignored my question… why are their so MANY generals speaking out in public? Are they all desperate for the scant (too scant in my opinion) attention that it brings that they are willing to wreck their careers over it? Or could it be that there is something rotten in the capitol?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pmRight! Never mind.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
kapeesh?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pmRight! Never mind.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Translation = I’ve got nothing
You’re a sorry little pissant ; please find somewhere else to post , especially since you have admitted that you only post here during the day while at work.
Heckuva’ job you’re doing there , Kelt Boy………….
March 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pmKeltool, Frank M… question for you.
Agreed… Hitler was a bad man?
Several of Hitler’s generals tried to assassinate him, at least once, that I know of. One of them was Rommell, and he chose suicide once caught.
Question:
If they had succeeded, and ended the war earlier, would they be heroes for doing such, or villains for disobeying orders?
No But! But! But! allowed. Just answer… the… question.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pmSee video: Why Fallon’s Resignation is Frightening “The military people think basically that Admiral Fallon was PUSHED OUT” - Mark Thompson Time Magazine National Security Correspondent
March 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pmFallon is described as “the one person in the military or Pentagon standing between the White House and war with Iran.”
Right! Never mind.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
kapeesh?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
Enrico Caruso would have yelled at him in his booming voice and then slapped the stupid twerp for that ………………..Now that would be a classic YouTube moment.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:39 pmIf they had succeeded, and ended the war earlier, would they be heroes for doing such, or villains for disobeying orders?
No But! But! But! allowed. Just answer… the… question.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — March 12, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Heroes.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm“No he’s not. He’s just a traitor to the two-party hegemony. The “transgression†of 2000 shows how many other Americans are sick of this system as well.
Comment by toasterhead — March 12, 2008 @ 3:22 pm”
I might agree with that if he didn’t just pop up every 4 years. If he actually worked to get local and state 3rd party candidates elected. If he worked with the grass-roots to grow the Green Party. But he doesn’t, he just shows up out of ego.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:42 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Yeah, the difference…. Hitler could speak a whole sentence without butchering it.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pmfrankie; did you take a double-dose of stoopid pills today?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Yeah
Because Hitler could actually speak very well in public
March 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
are you trying to convince us or yourself of that?
*
March 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pmTranslation = I’ve got nothing
Comment by MCMetal — March 12, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Nice try. It is you with nothing except a bucket full of personal invective.
I invite you to clarify your comments since you accused me of distorting your words, you come back with a bunch of name calling.
Look, there are some posters here who I enjoy talking to - just ignore me and I’ll do the same. It is easy to scroll down. I do it everytime RHF pops off.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
No. Hitler did what he did on his own. Bush is but a puppet, and not a very good one at that.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pmanother, but VERY important difference between Bush and his hero, Hitler is:
Hitler actually fought in a war-in the front lines, no less. versus the sniveling coward Bush hiding out in the rear in a guard unit, and deserted even THAT duty.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pmGood Golly is right.
You don’t question your orders - especially not in public.
Comment by Frank M — March 12, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Good Golly and you are right, if you’re in 1939 Germany. Or current-day North Korea. those are your heroes and models.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pmSo, Keltoi - have you read that book or not…?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pmBUT - Bush is not Hitler. Really.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
are you trying to convince us or yourself of that?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
No, it is pretty obvious that Bush is not Hitler, so TRoS scenario doesn’t really work.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pmSo, Keltoi - have you read that book or not…?
Comment by Leftside Annie — March 12, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Noooo, Annie…guilty. I asked you before for the publishing date last time you asked me that. Is it in bookstores still or is it an Amazon deal?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pmNice try. It is you with nothing except a bucket full of personal invective.
I invite you to clarify your comments since you accused me of distorting your words, you come back with a bunch of name calling.
Look, there are some posters here who I enjoy talking to - just ignore me and I’ll do the same. It is easy to scroll down. I do it everytime RHF pops off.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
you know if you tried that software i recommended you could become a much better writer and, at the same, clarify your own remarks.
wouldn’t that be nice?
March 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pmNo, it is pretty obvious that Bush is not Hitler, so TRoS scenario doesn’t really work.
Comment by Keltoi — March 12, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
sorry, keloi there is serious debate about that.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pmI’m going to have to agree w/ Keltoi here. As much as we don’t like Bush, he is the commander in Chief unless/until impeached. If one doesn’t like their orders, then they resign, as Fallon and MANY others have.
The argument about the military assuming power over the executive branch was simply your own argument taken to the extreme, not necessarily a straw man. You really can’t argue for the rule of law, then ignore it when it no longer serves your purposes. That is the epitome of hypocrisy. I just wanted to emphasize that your line of reasoning does not represent the progressive cause as a whole.
Do you really want future Generals using our Armed Forces to fight their own personal wars? That’s what it would lead to.
btw-Keltoi’s been posting here for a while, longer than many of you and usually has a very level-headed approach to many of the issues presented here and it is welcomed and appreciated by many of us. From my past observed interactions, he is only slightly left of center and not to be confused with a neo-con or lumped in with the other trolls.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pmsnarkelt?
nah, it will never sell.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pmbtw-Keltoi’s been posting here for a while, longer than many of you and usually has a very level-headed approach to many of the issues presented here and it is welcomed and appreciated by many of us. From my past observed interactions, he is only slightly left of center and not to be confused with a neo-con or lumped in with the other trolls.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
i’m sorry j, but there is serious debate about that.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:56 pmkelt; I recently bought that book from Barnes & Noble-off the shelf.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:56 pmbtw-Keltoi’s been posting here for a while, longer than many of you and usually has a very level-headed approach to many of the issues presented here and it is welcomed and appreciated by many of us. From my past observed interactions, he is only slightly left of center and not to be confused with a neo-con or lumped in with the other trolls.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
I agree. I do not understand the invective directed at Keltoi, even from people I ordinarily agree with. I wouldn’t characterize him as “left of center”, however.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pmDo you really want future Generals using our Armed Forces to fight their own personal wars? That’s what it would lead to.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
here’s your straw man back.
i don’t want it.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:59 pmI agree. I do not understand the invective directed at Keltoi, even from people I ordinarily agree with. I wouldn’t characterize him as “left of centerâ€, however.
Comment by gummitch — March 12, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
ok, ok, he’s fun at parties.
kapeesh?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pmActually gummitch, the moving the goalposts might have something to do with it. There was a debate about whether or not the General had a right or a duty to speak out and suddenly Keltoi makes it out to be about the military “taking out Bush”. That is a deplorable debate tactic and it isn’t the first time for him.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pmDo you really want future Generals using our Armed Forces to fight their own personal wars? That’s what it would lead to.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
“here’s your straw man back.
i don’t want it.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:59 pm”
Heh, no wonder he is a Keltoi fan.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pmbtw-Keltoi’s been posting here for a while, longer than many of you and usually has a very level-headed approach to many of the issues presented here and it is welcomed and appreciated by many of us. From my past observed interactions, he is only slightly left of center and not to be confused with a neo-con or lumped in with the other trolls.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
If you’re looking for a date , why not just come right out and ask the loser for one ?
I’m sure he’s free (literally and figuratively)……………
March 12th, 2008 at 4:03 pmI wouldn’t characterize him as “left of centerâ€, however.
Comment by gummitch — March 12, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
VERY slightly, maybe from what I remember, anyway; however, it’s good to remember that centrists or those left of center appear as righties compared to many who post on this sight (myself included).
March 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pmGood Golly is right.
You don’t question your orders - especially not in public.
Comment by Frank M — March 12, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Sorry, if the orders are illegal, you are WRONG.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pmkapeesh?
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
If I was to rag on everyone here who misspelled a word, especially a foreign word, I wouldn’t have time for anything else. It also happens to be perfectly acceptable slang.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pmhere’s your straw man back.
i don’t want it.
Comment by joe cantwell — March 12, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
I believe that was the fear and reason why we have an ever shifting civilian leadership of our military. Sort of a worst case scenario, I guess. If you aren’t prepared to take your argument to it’s next logical conclusion, I guess that’s fine… Just lazy and cheap, though.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pmI wouldn’t characterize him as “left of centerâ€, however.
Comment by gummitch — March 12, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
VERY slightly, maybe from what I remember, anyway; however, it’s good to remember that centrists or those left of center appear as righties compared to many who post on this sight (myself included).
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
And perception matters for what ?
Did those who perceived that Chimpy would be good to have a beer with believe that now of him ?
Believe those people still feel that way ?
Guess there really are people who need or have to learn the hard way………….
March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pmVERY slightly, maybe from what I remember, anyway; however, it’s good to remember that centrists or those left of center appear as righties compared to many who post on this sight (myself included).
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
sure. while you’re busy defending your boyfriend our country slides closer and closer to war with iran.
but what the heck, let’s not sweat the big things, right?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pmJust lazy and cheap, though.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
nice dig. so much for keeping it civilized, eh?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm“I believe that was the fear and reason why we have an ever shifting civilian leadership of our military. Sort of a worst case scenario, I guess. If you aren’t prepared to take your argument to it’s next logical conclusion, I guess that’s fine… Just lazy and cheap, though.
Comment by J — March 12, 2008 @ 4:06 pm”
Ahh, the slippery slope. Got it.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm