Cheney, McCain vow long-term presence in Iraq.
By on Mar 17th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Cheney, McCain vow long-term presence in Iraq.
The AP reports that in meetings with Iraq’s Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki today, both Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Vice President Cheney vowed “that the U.S. would maintain a long-term military presence in Iraq until al-Qaida is defeated there.” Maliki also confirmed that he and Cheney discussed negotiations over a controversial long-term security agreement.
UPDATE: Yesterday, McCain visited the Anbar province of Haditha, where he drank “soft drinks from street vendors” and answered questions about his campaign. When asked whether he would return to Iraq, McCain replied, “We’ll come back if I win.“
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These two miserable old turds should just move to Iraq and let the USA get back to its own business.
March 17th, 2008 at 11:59 amGeorge Bush needs to make a speech saying he is sorry for what he has unleashed on the Iraqi people
otherwise he should get lost
March 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pm“Cheney, McCain vow long-term presence in Iraq.”
What makes these morons think that they can honor that promise? And is Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki stupid enough to believe them?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pmStay, just a little bit longer, cause the voters don’t mind, and the chympie don’t mind. Hobnob with your puppets and swill their soda, but don’t drink the wormy water.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:03 pmIt is not easy to conquer a win over terrorism
It is not easy to read your torturous version of the english language.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:04 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Democrats, stop being defeatists and join us in finishing this war.
Keyboard Kommando Daryll reporting for duty – not.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:04 pmGo Cheney yourself, Daryll! When are you enlisting?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pmHillary has joined a long time ago. -Duryll
Tell us something we don’t know, OK?
This from a FascoChristian who hasn’t served. Yup, we’ll sure listen to you.
How’s Hagee treating you nowadays? Paid your penance yet?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pm.
Four more surges!
Four more surges!
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pmSaint D:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pmIf the purpose of the invasion and occupation was to establish a democracy, and the vast majority of the people of Iraq want us to leave, and we stay, how is that democracy?
Yes we are conquering our win. We are giving Bin Laden everything he could wish for. The GOP insist on playing right into his hand. Worn out military, wrecked economy, depleted reputation of USA, depleted uranium, just plain depleted. The GOP has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory….conquering our win.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
This is beautiful news. It is not easy to conquer a win over terrorism, but over time, whether it be a few years, decades, etc., we will win.
Please explain how exactly one “defeats” an abstract concept.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pmAl Maliki doesn’t seem to realize he’s leg-humping a lame duck.
Any “long-term” arrangement is written on the foul wind eminating from Cheney’s scabby posterior.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pmIt is not easy to conquer a win over terrorism, but over time, whether it be a few years, decades, etc., we will win
etc. meaning centuries?
Were you born stupid or did you learn that somewhere?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pmJesus had no room for hypocrites, Daryll. Join up or shut up.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pmCheney and McCain ought to stay in Iraq until the mission is complete. I’d bet it would be < than a week.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:08 pm.
I don’t think Daryll read the previous post.
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:09 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
remember?
- Donald Rumsfeld
Feb. 7, 2003: “It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
beautiful, eh?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:11 pmThe war was finished when Bush declared Mission Accomplished. Now it’s time to let the sovereign nation of Iraq take care of their own business.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:11 pmDarth Cheney and Grampa McCain should go Daryll themselves. Traitors.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:11 pmjb Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Don’t forget…
…Depleted Constitutional Rights
You know, those FREEDOMS THEY(sic) HATE!
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:13 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
As I explained before, I support the government in a different capacity. I am also on a mission to save souls so I already have a mission to conquer, which has been set by God.
How exactly does supporting an unjust war save souls?
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# Max-1 Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Yep, the good ol GOP has us running on empty….no filling station for miles and miles and miles.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm“As I explained before, I support the government in a different capacity. I am also on a mission to save souls so I already have a mission to conquer, which has been set by God.”
Sounds like a mission to avoid reality. Or a delusion.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pmI already have a mission to conquer, which has been set by God.
-Duryll
Well, there you have it! Duhryll is ‘on a mission from God’.
Where have I hear that before? Hmmm, let’s see..oh, yeah,
Jake from the Blues Brothers. Or was it Elwood? Duhryll, Belushi was twice the man you could ever dream of being, so STFU & go someplace else to deny reality. It just doesn’t work here.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pmTalk is cheap. The next President will decide.
Daryll, did you take that quiz for false prophets yet?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pmHow can we be sure this isn’t just another bad translation of what Cheney and McCain promised?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pmAfter all, there aren’t that many people left who speak PureEvil fluently…
Just in time for the fifth anniversary of the U.S. invasion, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain made an unannounced visit to Iraq. Unfortunately for him, this week’s anniversary highlights that at almost every turn, John McCain has been disastrously wrong about Iraq.
For a catalog of McCain’s erroneous statements, see:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm“Forever Wrong: Five Years of John McCain on Iraq.”
Daryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
As I explained before, I support the government in a different capacity.
Translation: “I’m making money off this war, and I hope it goes on forever or until I get raptured, whichever comes first.”
March 17th, 2008 at 12:19 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
How exactly does supporting an unjust war save souls?
Every dead Iraqi is one less soul to save. Daryll math.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:19 pmDoes this make sense to you Daryl?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Daryll Sayeth:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
How does being a low level tester for a DOD web site contribute squat to our national defense? Strap on a helmet and some kevlar and get with it, dude!
BTW, since Crom doesn’t give a shit about you whatsoever, your quest for ’souls’ is a sad joke, on you.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:20 pmDaryll says: We owe it to the troops, the Iraqis and this nation.
What we owe all of them (and us) is honesty. Is an admition of our failures. Is to make amends. But not to blindly continue.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:20 pmIraq would be full of complete turmoil because of an attempt to take over the government by the Sunnis/Shites/Kurds.
Don’t you mean the people of Iraq? Who else should be in charge of the government?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pmRUCerious, these are people who lack the knowledge and understanding about are purpose. If we did leave
Ah, I see. They’re such children, right>?
So you’re a racist as well as an idiot. Great.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Matthew 7:5
March 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pmCheney on Unannounced Visit to Iraq
New York Times – 1 hour ago
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. BAGHDAD – Vice President Dick Cheney made an unannounced trip Monday to Baghdad, where he plans to push Iraqi political leaders toward opening the country’s vast oil fields to international companies, a senior Bush …
[...]
The vice president plans, among other things, to push Iraqi officials to pass petroleum legislation that would help bring international oil companies to Iraq, according to a pool report of comments by a senior administration official who was flying with Mr. Cheney.
The official described the petroleum issue as being about Iraqi leaders “figuring out how they really begin to exploit” the country’s resources, according to the pool report.
Perhaps the most contentious major legislation pending in Iraq covers how to divvy up the country’s vast petroleum wealth and develop its oil fields. But some Iraqi leaders fear that the proposals may allow American and western firms too much access to contracts for developing and exploiting Iraqi oil reserves.
[...]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/middleeast/18iraq.html?ref=world
what else?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pmDaryll, who do you think will run the govt in Iraq if not the Shiites/Sunnis and Kurds?
Are you suggesting we run their country?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pmDaryll must have missed this story:
BAGHDAD, March 3 (2008) — Two former high-ranking Shiite government officials charged with kidnapping and killing scores of Sunnis were ordered released Monday after prosecutors dropped the case. The abrupt move renewed concerns about the willingness of Iraq’s leaders to act against sectarianism and cast doubts on U.S. efforts to build an independent judiciary.
The collapse of the trial stunned American and Iraqi officials who had spent more than a year assembling the case, which they said included a wide array of evidence.
“This shows that the judicial system in Iraq is horribly broken,” said a U.S. legal adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. “And it sends a terrible signal: If you are Shia, then no worries; you can do whatever you want and nothing is going to happen to you.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/03/AR2008030300311_pf.html
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm“Iraq would be full of complete turmoil because of an attempt to take over the government by the Sunnis/Shites/Kurds.”
Holy CRAP! WTF are you trying to say here?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pmDaryll just keeps getting more insane with each new post.
“They want to maintain muslim views within the country. That is not true democracy.”
Ummm, maybe since they are muslims, they’d have muslim views? Of course it’s not true democracy, moron, that’s the problem.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:24 pmSo let’s shove a gun muzzle to their heads and blow some democracy into them!..?
“They want to maintain muslim views within the country. That is not true democracy.”
So anyone that practices a religion other than bible-thumpin’ christianity cannot practice or participate in a democracy?
This Darryl moron IS a racist.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pmDaryll Says:
As I explained before, I support the government in a different capacity. I am also on a mission to save souls so I already have a mission to conquer, which has been set by God.
Yeah, it’s funny how so many “conservatives” support the government in a different capacity — maybe Romney’s boys can join the Army now that Dad’s not running for office.
Just admit it, Daryll, you’re terrified of combat, you’re terrified of IEDs and contaminated water and the heat . . . admit you’re afraid to join the military even though you claim it’s so important for us to stay in Iraq forever.
Because it’s apparently really important, but it’s not important enough for you to risk your life for. Other people’s lives? Eh, who cares, right, Daryll?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pmhow in the hell did the daryll get involved in this?
never mind…
March 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
RUCerious, these are people who lack the knowledge and understanding about are purpose. If we did leave, Iraq would be full of complete turmoil because of an attempt to take over the government by the Sunnis/Shites/Kurds.
So we can’t stop in our efforts to bring democracy and self-determination to Iraqis because if we leave they might have democracy and self-determination.
And Iraqis know full well what “are” purpose is. 1/3 of the Earth’s light sweet crude. It’s the only interest any foreign government has had in Iraq since it was invented in the 1920s.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pmKaty, thanks for the link….big surprise, Cheney is all about the OIL.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pmIs McCain clutching a fainting hankie or a pair of Patraeus’ bikini briefs?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:28 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
We must give them the chance to practice holiness. Extremists want to prevent us from giving them this chance. They want to maintain muslim views within the country. That is not true democracy.
Daryll, Your Holiness:
You are making absolutely no sense whatsoever today. But then, when did you?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:28 pmI think Daryll believes in that old time religion, things like the Inquisition, torture, murder of non believers, burning people at the stake…….
March 17th, 2008 at 12:29 pm#30 Daryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Bull crap! PROVE IT!
Prove that IF we leave “Iraq would be full of complete turmoil“. Isn’t that what we started by doing what we did, illegally invade and force an occupation? You can’t prove but spectulate based on the big “WHAT IF” hypothesis.
Well, D. here’s one for ya, WHAT IF America instituted a PEACE KEEPING MISSION? What??? Too soft, warm and fuzzy for ya?
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:30 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Matthew 7:5
(read it or be damned)
March 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
We must give them the chance to practice holiness. Extremists want to prevent us from giving them this chance. They want to maintain muslim views within the country. That is not true democracy.
Wow. So many bigoted blatherings, so little time. Where to start. Okay:
1. How are Muslims any less holy than Christians?
2. Why shouldn’t a Muslim country maintain Muslim views – how is this different from the U.S. maintaining Judeo-Christian views?
3. Do you think Islam and democracy are incompatible, despite the fact that the Qur’an encourages public debate and protest and civil society?
On the other hand, I’m glad to see that you recognize that extremist religion is a barrier to democracy, and I hope to see you working to keep the Dobsons and Robertsons and Hagees from taking over our country.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:33 pmI wish Daryll would practice his “holiness” in private. these public displays are disturbing.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
gummitch Says:
Jesus had no room for hypocrites, Daryll. Join up or shut up.
Spoken like the guttersnipe coward you are. If you support the war, fight the war, megawimp.
Why are you even on this thread? Did you think Cheney and McCain shared a room in Iraq?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pm“No, just act as consultants.”
Bend over Iraq, we’re gonna consult ya’…we’re gonna consult ya’ real slow…and you’d better LIKE it!
March 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pm#41 Daryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Ann… Is that you? Ann Coulter?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pmPurification spoken like none other… NO?
Daryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
The point is that we must give them that chance. They should not be murdered or persecuted for practicing Christianity. We must give them the chance to choose.
There were plenty of Christians in Iraq before we invaded. Islam embraces Christianity as a brother Abrahamic faith. It’s only after we invaded Iraq and started a civil war that Christians in Iraq have suffered persecution.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pmCheney wants to get good and Holy with all that OIL.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:36 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Matthew 7:5
(your third and last chance)
March 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pmI finally figured it out.
The Christian God is all about profit, not prophets, and supports only those who make money on other’s misfortunes.
Jesus Christ is the working man’s deity, & believes in justice & equality for all.
Is this correct, or am I praying up the wrong pole here?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:38 pmHea everybody,
Daryll thinks expression of differing opinion when muslim, is not an American value, nor qualifies as opinion in a democracy.
McLOL
March 17th, 2008 at 12:38 pmWhat a looser.
Daryll supports the opression of opions as a value to our democracy.
Daryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
RUCerious, these are people who lack the knowledge and understanding about are purpose. If we did leave, Iraq would be full of complete turmoil because of an attempt to take over the government by the Sunnis/Shites/Kurds.
That’s right Dumbyll, it’s only Christians that are allowed to seize control of the government and rule the unwilling masses. We can’t have Muslims ruling Muslims can we?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pmWill McCain be choosing Cheney as his VP?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pmThese men are plan old stupid. What is so important about us staying in Iraq? I know they’ve given the stupid people who don’t understand what’s going on a good reason, but come on, why do we need to spend trillions of dollars to try to defeat an enemny no one can really point out. That’s right was a fighting a name, “terrorists”, but we don’t know who they are, or where they are, or what they look like. Common sense should tell us that if you can’t identify the enemy, or know where to find him, you can’t defeat him militarily. I’m a former Infantryman who served this country and knows how to fight in actual combat. I was taught that you don’t get involved in long guerilla wars because countries tend to lose because of a lack of support from the public.
That’s exactly what’s happened in Iraq. We only react when our soldiers are attacked. When’s the last time you heard a report of us surrounding the enemy and defeating him once and for all. That’s right you haven’t and you know why, because to our soldiers, “they all look alike”. And that my friends is actually why you want to avoid a low level war like this one if possible. When they don’t wear uniforms, you can’t identify them, so you are always reacting. Which in itself means you have to lose men to find the enemy and most of the time he’s gone when you get there to repond.
The only way we can defeat them is for the population to turn them in to us ahead of time. That isn’t happening because the people either support them or are afraid to turn them in to our troops. Can you see where this leaves an Army struggling to defeat an unseen enemy? It’s common sense, plus that’s they way our troops are trained. Think of it this way. What if the police in your town could only drive around, wait to get shot and then respond. Would that be an effective way to police a city? Common sense tells you that wouldn’t work, and that’s our problem in Iraq and explains why we lost in Viet Nam. The sad part is that’s why Gen. Petraeus is telling them, “We can’t win this war militarily”, but the idiot politicans aren’t listening. They are too busy trying to be tougher than the next guy.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:42 pm“No, just act as consultants.”
Riiiight… very, very heavily armed consultants.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:43 pmDaryll says:
The point is that we must give them that chance. They should not be murdered or persecuted for practicing Christianity. We must give them the chance to choose.
I see, but it’s okay for us to persecute people for their religious beliefs over here in the grand ole USofA?
Double standard there Daryll.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:44 pmWell, if it’s God’s will we’re in Iraq, then you should have NO problem jetting over there and walking around. God will look out for you, huh?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:44 pmken melvin Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Will McCain be choosing Cheney as his VP?
If not, Cheney would make a great consigliere.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:46 pmDaryll says killing for Jesus is the Christian thing to do.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pm“that the U.S. would maintain a long-term military presence in Iraq until al-Qaida is defeated there.
The quickest way to get AQ out of Iraq will be for us to leave. Once we leave, the Iraqi’s will make short work of AQ. They don’t like them in their country and the only reason why they tolerate them is because AQ targets Americans. Besides, AQ by the governments own reports is about 8,000 fighters in Iraq right now. So, can someone tell me why 160,000 US soldiers can’t take out 8,000 AQ fighters?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pmThecairngman Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
how are things at bears stearns?
*
March 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I fear nothing, but God.
BALD FACED LIAR.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pmMay they both move there and shut up.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pmken melvin Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Then we’d have a McCheney.
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pmThis is beautiful news. It is not easy to conquer a win over terrorism, but over time, whether it be a few years, decades, etc., we will win. We must persevere. We owe it to the troops, the Iraqis and this nation. Democrats, stop being defeatists and join us in finishing this war. Hillary has joined a long time ago.
There is nothing to “win” in Iraq. It is impossible to “win” an occupation. Perhaps this idiot troll can tell us how one can “win” an occupation. It will probably go off on AQI. Well, AQI will stop being a problem once we stop occupying Iraq. The Iraqi’s will take care of them.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pmDaryll,
How’s Killin’ for Jesus a Christian motto?
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pmOh look, the trolls are having a pretend fight. Is that so you two can have makeup sex later?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pmLOL – that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read from parodyll, “They should not be murdered or persecuted for practicing Christianity. We must give them the chance to choose.”
That’s his view of democracy. Being able to practice christianity. Now I’ve heard it all.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:53 pmDaryll says killing for Jesus is the Christian thing to do.
And he thinks lying for Jesus is also a Christian thing to do. No wonder he’s so busy. What with spending all day wondering who would Jesus kill, what country would Jesus invade and which of his fellow citizens would Jesus shaft.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Free healthcare would harm our economy. Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do.
he’s all yours ‘cairngman…
March 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I fear nothing, but God.
Translation: “Yea, I fear nothing, ’cause there’s no effin’ way I’m going to leave my cushy DOD war-profiteering job and walk through the valley of the shadow of death.”
March 17th, 2008 at 12:56 pmThecairngman does a pretty good parody of a troll…
March 17th, 2008 at 12:56 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
This is beautiful news. It is not easy to conquer a win over terrorism, but over time, whether it be a few years, decades, etc., we will win. We must persevere. We owe it to the troops, the Iraqis and this nation. Democrats, stop being defeatists and join us in finishing this war. Hillary has joined a long time ago.
Join “us” ?
Who would that be ?
The 82nd Chickenshit Faulty Intelligence Brigade ?
Hey moron
Care to explain how you honor the over 1 million dead , by adding more to that total ?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:57 pmmary Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
No mary, D’s view is: it’s either a choice of Christianity or death. He’s already on record disparriging Islam. See, with McD, if I may be as forward, sees the only One True God is a Democratic Godly god that kills for His Son.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:57 pm“Iraq would be full of complete turmoil because of an attempt to take over the government by the Sunnis/Shites/Kurds.”
Holy CRAP! WTF are you trying to say here?
It is trying to say that because the people of Iraq are too stupid and unholy to run their own country, the great benevolent American must step in and run it for them.
What would Jesus think about that kind of thinking?
March 17th, 2008 at 12:58 pmPriceless Dumbyll, maybe you haven’t noticed but our economy is already in the crapper. But you have your job so what do you care. How very “Christian” of you.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:58 pm#90 Shayne Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Not to mention how would Jesus would TORTURE.
March 17th, 2008 at 12:59 pmNo he’s just a really bad troll.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pmI’m guessing that McCain’s campaign didn’t release that picture. Jeebus…
I hope y’all are flagging the bloodthirsty, piss-soaked Daryll troll.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pmBTW
Nice pic of McSenile there , with his red panties in a twist ………
March 17th, 2008 at 1:02 pmFree healthcare would harm our economy. Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do.
says parodyll
Okay, NOW you’re pissing me off! Are you aware that Toyota chose Canada over the U.S. to build their recent new plant? Do you know why? Because of Canada’s health care system and their poorly educated workers! Please educate YOURSELF before making such ignorant posts!
So, in conclusion, this country lost a bunch of new jobs due to this country’s lack of universal health care and it’s weaker educational system. When is a loss of thousands of new jobs a good thing for this country may I ask?
Seems to me that it would be more “patriotic” to invest in this country’s citizens!
Toyota Chooses Canada Over US: Better Education & Healthcare
“Japanese auto companies opening plants in the Southern U.S. have been unfavorably surprised by the work force’s poor level of training.
snip
But education is only one reason Toyota chose Ontario. Canada’s other big selling point is its national health insurance system, which saves auto manufacturers large sums in benefit payments compared with their costs in the United States. . . ”
to quote the article’s author:
“So Toyota passed up the usual hefty financial bribes from Southern states and instead chose to locate its new plant in Canada, where wages may be higher but employees are both better educated and healthier.”
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2005/07/toyota-chooses-canada-over-us-better.html
March 17th, 2008 at 1:03 pmNow I understand why the GOP claims to be Gods own party…
March 17th, 2008 at 1:05 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Free healthcare would harm our economy. Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do.
Umm, so the second sentance is correct?
Or is it the first one?
Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do AND that harms our economy. Partiotism that harms one’s country isn’t called a patriotic act.
Yep, McD proves you can not undo stupid!
March 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pmUp means in and out means maybe and ‘fo sure’ means whatever.
Because of Canada’s health care system and their better educated workers is what I meant to say of course. Guy got me all riled up.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:09 pmThecairngman Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Don’t forget to flag this worthless troll too.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Do you have something against free market? The government should not be allowed to interfere with the health care market. If this happens, what next, financial investment instutions, technical firms, airlines, etc. No, No, No.
Making money should not be the foremost idea behind health care , you phony Christian shitstain ………..
For someone who poses as a “Christian” , you seem to harbor money/being wealthy over real spiritual values that Jesus preached………..
March 17th, 2008 at 1:11 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
If you have to work two jobs to afford it, so be it. Any health insurance is better than nothing. This why I support the elimination of Medicaid. Senior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy.
Ah, yes. Just like that parable in which Jesus refused to heal the leper who didn’t have insurance or a medical savings account.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmDaryll, are you saying that you care about the “free market” more than your fellow Americans? Who do you REALLY worship?
Basic serives like health and education should be a right for all Americans, not just the well-off ones.
It’s good for the country but you are apparently too dense to see that.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Free healthcare would harm our economy. Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do.
Supporting a free healthcare market is the patriotic thing to do AND that harms our economy. Acts that harm one’s country aren’t called patriotic acts.
McD proves that you can not undo stupid.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmBut it’s fine with you when the government interferes by bailing out firms like Bear Stearn and the other investment bankers. That’s not interfering is it? Does Jesus know what an idiot you are?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:09 pm If you have to work two jobs to afford it, so be it. Any health insurance is better than nothing. This why I support the elimination of Medicaid. Senior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy.
Those same seniors you claim that are “hurting” our economy are also those responsible for making the US the most powerful nation ever assembled on the planet ; and you want to disgard them like a used condom.
So nice of you to reveal your “Christian values” , you scumbag………..
March 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
If you have to work two jobs to afford it, so be it. Any health insurance is better than nothing. This why I support the elimination of Medicaid. Senior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy.
And what if they didn’t, or they got wiped out by medicals bills? Should they just do the patriotic thing and DIE?
Maybe you’d be happy if they lived under bridges and ate out dumpsters?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pmDipshit says:
If you have to work two jobs to afford it, so be it. Any health insurance is better than nothing. This why I support the elimination of Medicaid. Senior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy
That’s crap. Most of our Senior Citizens did save their money only to have it taken away from them with the high price of their medication. What, they shouldn’t get sick?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pmDaryll Says:
If you have to work two jobs to afford it, so be it. Any health insurance is better than nothing. This why I support the elimination of Medicaid. Senior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy.
I see your point. We shouldn’t tolerate them. If they get sick and have no insurance or savings to cover the medical care, let’s just go ahead and kill them so they don’t hurt our economy.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pmGetem mary…..you are right.
If they want no socialism at all then we have to get rid of the police, firefighters, teachers and take away their medicare, etc.
if they think it will cost more….think again dummies;
We are already paying more for less health care than any other country in the world….this is a fact and you can choose to deny if but that won’t keep it from being a fact.
Just because you are not paying the government right now for your health care doesn’t mean you are not paying for it….4 or 5 hundred dollars a month is still taxation whether it is payed in taxes or to an insurance company……it now amounts to privitized taxation…..guess that’s ok with you because it’s not paid to the government……..it’s not ok with me and I want it changed and if enough Americans agree you will have to deal with it.
“Oh yeah – we do not have long wait times in America for a doctor…”
Untrue. There are 2.4 doctors per 1000 patients in the U.S. Superior single-payer systems in other developed countries have a better ratio, often 3-3.5 per 1000 patients. Waits are not, in general, shorter.
“However, those with good jobs that provide health insurance and the affluent do have access to- most likely the best health care in the world.”
Also untrue. The rate of serious medical errors is much higher in the U.S. than in many other developed countries.
We pay 15% of GDP on health care for worse outcomes by almost any quantitative measure used in public health science than other developed countries, which typically pay somewhere between 8 and 10% of GDP.
This situation is the result of depraved indifference by those who profit from our system.
sorry for the long post but like mary, I got carried away a little.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:16 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Do you have something against free market? The government should not be allowed to interfere with the health care market. If this happens, what next, financial investment instutions, technical firms, airlines, etc. No, No, No.
The free market doesn’t exist, except in Econ 101 textbooks. The reason government has to interfere with markets is precisely because they’re not free. They’re inherently uncompetitive because economic power and information becomes concentrated in the hands of a wealthy few who collude and conspire and destroy any semblance of competition.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pmLooks like McNutjob is holding his spare pair of panties for when he s**ts himself. That picture should be in every anti-McCorpse ad the dems run.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pmSenior citizens should have properly saved their money to take care of their health. They are hurting our economy.
After all, didn’t Jesus say something about the sick, the poor and the meek inheriting the earth?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pmJesus!?! That’s the WHOLE EARTH, They’re RICH!!!!
These trust-fund babies have been mooching on our system long enough!
Well if that leper had two jobs Jesus would happily have treated him. Tell us Daryll, it the leper had worked two jobs and had all his money invested with Bear Sterns and lost all of it would Jesus still treat him?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pmBut it is interference. I thought you were against interference. So you think it’s fine to interfere to let the wealthy keep their investments but it’s wrong to interfere to give the average citizen healthcare? How very Christian of you. I bet God is just licking his chops waiting for the day he gives you your comeuppance.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:21 pmDipshit again says:
These are extremely important companies that can severely effect our stock market, which, in general, will effect the international market. This was actually a very intelligent move.
It’s social welfare pure and simple at the expense of the AMERICAN tax payer. I would rather have my tax dollars going to help sick people than I would to bail out big corporations.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pmDaryll is a Christian Pharisee, who, like the original Pharisees, demands that everyone follow the exact tenants of his interpretation of religious doctrine, protects his own station and wealth, and is all for the death of those who dare challenge the religious status quo. Would Daryll have stood on the left or right side of Caiphais?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pmEspecially for Daryll (he seems to be reading his financial statements more than his bible lately):
Wealth carries a particular responsibility to the Christian Community:
1 John 3:16-17: We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us — and we ought to lay down our lives for one another. How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother and sister in need and yet refuses to help? (NRSV)
Acts 2:44-47: All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. (NRSV)
Wealth carries a universal duty to care for the needy:
Matthew 5:42: Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you. (NRSV)
Luke 6:30: Give to everyone who begs from you, and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again. (NRSV)
Luke 14:12-14: He said also to the one who had invited him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous. (NRSV)
http://www.stjohnadulted.org/steward1.htm#Wealth%20as%20a%20Symptom%20of%20Economic%20Injustice
Not sure if the bible covered patriotism…
March 17th, 2008 at 1:38 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Making money should not be the foremost idea behind health care , you phony Christian shitstain ………..
For someone who poses as a “Christian” , you seem to harbor money/being wealthy over real spiritual values that Jesus preached………..
It is not about the love of money. In any business, in order to remain competitive, you must make a significant profit to benefit programs within that business for growth purposes.
“Nealth care” is (or should be) about keeping people alive , not profit ; that it isn’t like that in this country anymore is the reason we have fallen from the top of the heap in terms of every aspect in the medical field , towards the middle-of-the-pack , you ignorant boob……..
When the bottom line is the bottom line , you look for ways in the most devious manner(s) to profit ; people’s lives matter much more.
Or don’t you believe that , Sister Christian ?
March 17th, 2008 at 1:49 pmDaryll’s a Mammon worshipper, like the rest of the Righties and Republican’ts. The real Jesus wouldn’t like any of them very much at all.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pmWhat happened to Cairngman? Bye bye loser.
March 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pmDaryll Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
gummitch Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Jesus had no room for hypocrites, Daryll. Join up or shut up.
As I explained before, I support the government in a different capacity. I am also on a mission to save souls so I already have a mission to conquer, which has been set by God.
Backing an immoral and illegal invasion and occupation is not “support” , dipwad ; it makes you an aider and abettor in a criminal enterprise.
BTW
Does “God” approve of your making arms that exterminates those before they’ve been “saved” ?
I highly doubt it.
March 17th, 2008 at 2:14 pmThemanoncecared Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Here he is, Shayne. *yawn*
March 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pmThemanoncecared Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Shayne Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
What happened to Cairngman? Bye bye loser.
I don’t agree with you so i’ll try to get my friends to get you out of our club!!
As opposed to being shipped out to a secret prison outside the US in the middle of the night , skid mark ?
March 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pmDaryll Says:
I fear nothing, but God.
A sentiment shared by all of the 9/11 hijackers…
March 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pmA blog post I found:
Lets see- The great hunter advised George Bush Sr. not to go after Saddam during Gulf War 1- Then He advises George Jr. to invade Iraq In Gulf war 2. What happened to change his mind? Oh, that’’s right -He started working for Halliburton, that were doing illegal business with Iran through offshore shell Corps.
I wonder if the 25 million they gave him in stock options had anything to do with his change of heart.
The best Gov”t. money could buy !!! Yikes!!!
March 17th, 2008 at 2:39 pmDaryll really is whacked out today, what with his corporate/fascist/GodCrap philosophy out for all to see.
My one real regret is that I probably won’t be present at the moment of his demise to see the utter astonishment when he realizes that ……………………………..there’s nothing. No heaven, no hell, no jeebutz, just an entire eternity of nothing………………………………
March 17th, 2008 at 2:41 pmtombaker Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Daryll’s a Mammon worshipper, like the rest of the Righties and Republican’ts. The real Jesus wouldn’t like any of them very much at all.
However, I think he said something to the effect…
March 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm“Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do”?
or something along those lines…
Forgiving Daryll for his syphillitic hypocrisy is reallllllly hard.
The can vow anything. McCain is not going to be the next president. The new democratic president will wave all this crap off. Cheney and McCain can just go away and fade to annonimity. I don’t know who they think they are but the people, 70% or so of whom want this Iraq thing to end, will prevail not dark dick the deferment king or McCain the PTSD nutjob. Just a little arrogant don’t ya thin fellas?
March 17th, 2008 at 2:55 pmWhen will these idiots do something that will lead to real peace and stability in Iraq like using some of those billions to create jobs (instead of giving money to overpriced US contracts with dubious relations to government insiders) and stimulate their economy for Iraqis instead of using it for defensive/police tactics???
Maybe then they can eventually pay back some of the mounting costs and actually improve living conditions there. It could possibly change their opinion of us as well.
BTW where is all that Iraq oil money that Woffie said would pay for the war????
March 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pmEspecially for Daryll (he seems to be reading his financial statements more than his bible lately):
Wealth carries a particular responsibility to the Christian Community:
1 John 3:16-17: We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us — and we ought to lay down our lives for one another. How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother and sister in need and yet refuses to help? (NRSV)
Acts 2:44-47: All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. (NRSV)
Wealth carries a universal duty to care for the needy:
Matthew 5:42: Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you. (NRSV)
Luke 6:30: Give to everyone who begs from you, and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again. (NRSV)
Luke 14:12-14: He said also to the one who had invited him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous. (NRSV) — Mary
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Hey, Mary — you forgot my personal favorite from Luke 12:48…
From everyone who has been given much, much will be required
March 18th, 2008 at 1:29 pmCheney & McCain: How us patriots REALLY support the troops: Keep them in harm’s way for 100 years. Go, troops, yea, team, die, die, die.
March 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm