Cheney On Two-Thirds Of The American Public Opposing The Iraq War: ‘So?’
Cheney On Two-Thirds Of The American Public Opposing The Iraq War: ‘So?’
This morning, on the fifth anniversary of the Iraq invasion, ABC’s Good Morning America aired an interview with Vice President Cheney on the war. During the segment, Cheney flatly told White House correspondent Martha Raddatz that he doesn’t care about the American public’s views on the war:
CHENEY: On the security front, I think there’s a general consensus that we’ve made major progress, that the surge has worked. That’s been a major success.
RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.
Watch it:
This opposition to the war is not a “fluctuation” in public opinion. The American public has steadily turned against the war since the 2003 invasion. According to a new CNN poll, just 36 percent of the American public believes that “the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over — down from 68 percent in March 2003, when the war began.”
Even though he doesn’t care what the American public wants, Cheney still thinks he is able — and entitled — to speak for the American public. Last month, Cheney declared, “The American people will not support a policy of retreat.” If Cheney were actually listening to the “American people,” he would know that 61 percent actually supports the redeployment of U.S. troops.
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FIRE THIS SON-OF-A-BlTCH NOW!!!!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:18 am"fluctuate" this Cheney
March 19th, 2008 at 10:18 amI wonder if Pelosi will listen now.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:19 amHmmm... from that little display of what Cheney really thinks of democracy... I can see how what we're doing in Iraq is a success to him.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:19 amI need to stop reading this site - sometimes I just can't stand it.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:20 amThis man has no conscience or soul. IMPEACH NOW!!!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:20 amJeannie See Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I wonder if Pelosi will listen now.
No, she hasn't been listening - I think she's one of them in disguise.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:20 amWow. This means that one third of the American public is completely delusional.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:22 amgood_golly Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
There have undoubtedly been phenomelal improvements, but there is obviously still work to be done.
(says it all, doesn't it?)
March 19th, 2008 at 10:23 amRADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think two-third of Americans can blow me.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:24 amDid Martha press Cheney on how long the poll numbers have been going down, and how far down the numbers are?
The whole thrust of this administration is to bancrupt the country to make it easier to control the population by forcing us to work at whatever wages the economic elites decide to pay us. It also makes it easier for that exalted economic class to take over whatever businesses are desired and to close down any competition.
cheney says what his cronies want him to say and the SCLM eat it up by the bowl full. Our Dem leadership, not just pelosi and reid, are really enablers unwilling to do the job that they were elected to do in 2006 - IMPEACH THEM ALL!!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:27 amI would sure like to see Darth Cheney "blown off course".
March 19th, 2008 at 10:27 amMy immediate response to this article was "Fluctuate? FLUCTUATE? Go fluctuate yourself, Cheney."
Then I saw how Shoeless had stripped away the pretense of Cheney's verbiage and revealed the truth of his philosophy.
Brilliant, Shoeless. Just frickin' brilliant.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:27 amWe the People........
Bush, Cheney and the rest of this administration has failed us.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:28 amwhat a dick!...lol?
March 19th, 2008 at 10:28 amTaxation without representation!
Let them eat cake, huh?
We don't even need high crimes. FIRE them for not doing what they (objectively) swore to do. They are stealing their salary.
This is also ridiculous... fluctuation? The only fluctuation is Bush's rating down to 19% and the economic confidence right behind, with the dollar. America has been anti-war for at least three years, probably four despite the STOLEN election via vote exclusion.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:29 amThat's what you get with an appointed president and VP.
Antoinette -style hubris.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:31 amWhat monumental arrogance. Those two letters sum up everything that is wrong with this administration, mostly due to his influence in the realm of abuse of executive power. That is Cheney's view of the "Unitary Executive"--- one who rules and doesn't pay any heed to public opinion or to other branches of government. What a monumental a-hole!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:32 amjoe cantwell Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:23 am
good_golly Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
There have undoubtedly been phenomelal improvements, but there is obviously still work to be done.
(says it all, doesn’t it?)
Yeah , about Goof_Jelly's mental disorder(s) ; not a damn thing about what's actually happening in Iraq , though..........
March 19th, 2008 at 10:32 amThe picture of Cheney above reminds me of Edgar Allen Poe's "Telltale Heart". His right eye is pure evil.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:33 amCheney and his ilk will never admit to making a mistake in Iraq. Their only purpose is to leave the war to the next president and get out of town. This should not be surprising. Nor should the disregard for the will of the people.
We should be more worried by the fact that a substantial number of people will vote for the Republican candidate because they still believe that the Republicans will do a better job on terrorism. The mindless droning by Cheney and others projects an image of strength. The Democrats must learn the art of ridicule in order to expose the stupidity of their positions. MSM will not even challenge it. The public discourse will be improved only when the Democrats learn to respond to the Republican take on these issues with derision.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:34 amI love how 2002 and 2004 (and all that snark) were "mandates" supporting neocons, but 2006 was an aberration and two years of 67% "get us out" mean nothing.
Ongoing war, no clear victory... they make more money with American boots on Iraqi soil spending and getting tax money, before 2003 it was less of a market. So why stop the occupation?
March 19th, 2008 at 10:34 amappropos:
Daily Star (Lebanon)
In an editorial on the tour of the Middle East by the United States vice-president, Dick Cheney, the paper says that it would carry a lot more credibility if he had not played such an instrumental role in fomenting the multiple crises that he now seeks to resolve.
Cheney's regional tour: returns to the scenes of the crimes
By The Daily Star
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Editorial
US Vice President Dick Cheney's regional tour would carry a lot more credibility if he had not played such an instrumental role in fomenting the multiple crises that he now seeks to resolve. The Bush administration whose policies he has done so much to define has been a disaster for the Middle East, and short of a lengthy apology, nothing he does now will do much good. The best the region can hope for, in fact, is that Cheney and his colleagues do not insist on imposing yet another war on the peoples of this part of the world.
[...]
http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=17&article_id=90033
via:http://www.cfr.org/publication/15752/
March 19th, 2008 at 10:34 amWow... now that's truly awe inspiring arrogance!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:35 amAfter the election, let's have McCain, Bush & Cheney be sentenced to a Freidman in Iraq.
No guards. No Blackwater. No gunships overhead. Just them & the
Iraqi people.
We'll see then how great or success is...
March 19th, 2008 at 10:36 amAnd who do you think you work for you fat arrogant slime ball? I say impeachment is not harsh enough.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amThanks for making it clear to two-thirds of Americans, Dick. When your heart physically gives out, Lynne Cheney, the future widow, will be left complaining about the same 2/3 of Americans who will boastfully approve of your death.
You bottomfeeding, ugly, yellow scum. You have plaque stuck on your teeth and in your heart. Your mind gave out years ago, you bone-chewing vermin trash.
May this rotten garbage go down as the worst VP in history. Bush is not President here, he's too stupid to be even a bad one, he's simply the spokesidiot of Dick -- and the bed bugs at the AEI.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:39 amI believe in karma.
I believe in karma.
I believe in karma.
There, Cheney shall be insignificant and powerless as he would pretend two thirds of America is.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:42 amSo speaks the greatest traitor to the American people this nation has ever suffered.
I guess this is one of the single syllable words he was lauded for in Baghdad the other day.
Amen, McWars.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:43 amDick Cheney has no business whatsoever in a representative, republican democracy like we have. He is better suited to an authoritarian dictatorship or a fascist plutocracy where elites like himself make the decisions without listening to the pesky peasants who live far away from the decadent bubble inhabited by the rich and powerful.
Worst. Vice President. Ever.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:47 amfluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.
v.tr.
To cause to rise and fall or vary irregularly.
CBS News Poll. March 15-17, 2008. N=844 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Do you think the result of the war with Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq, or not?"
Worth It Not Worth It Unsure
% % %
3/15-17/08
29 /64 /7
3/9-12/06
25 /70 /5
2/22-26/06
29 /63 /8
10/30 - 11/1/05
31 /64 /5
8/26-28/03
46 /46 /8
08/11-12/03
46 /45 /9
Lying sack of shit.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:47 amGo to he11.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:48 amArrogant S.o.b. should have his steel heart rust inside his chest, and die in agony.
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.
Oh really , Dick ?
Remember that little tussle , oh say about 40 years ago , that you managed to avoid on 5 different occasions ; wasn't that insanity halted by public opinion you ignorant jackass ?
March 19th, 2008 at 10:50 amThe Bush Admin. in a nutshell :
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Corporate Power is Protected
Labor Power is Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections
March 19th, 2008 at 10:58 amGo Cheney, yourself!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:02 amAaah yes!! the mind of a sociopathic amoral corporate executive with a chimpy sock puppet.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amThank you for that glimpse into your soul Mr. Cheney.
He knows that no one is do anything about him.
He is a thug and this is how these people operate.
The fact that the American people are not outraged and rioting for his head on a post is beyond comprehension.
CHENEY: No. I think two-third of Americans can blow me.
How about "No, I think two-thirds of Americans can go fu(k themselves". That's pretty much the attitude of the entire Bush Crime Family.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amIf Cheney's wet dream is to start a new war with Iran and continue this Iraq debacle ad infinitum I would like to share my wet dream. That while over in the ME some patriotic American soldier suffering from PTSD frags this MFer right in his smug face. This traitorous VP has singlehandedly looted our Treasury, trashed our Constitution, destroyed our standing on the World stage, caused our recession, hobbled the chance of any ecological progress for eight years, spied on his foes and the Nation since February 2001, obstructed justice at every turn, destroyed criminal evidence and bold facedly strutts around insisting it was all the right thing to do and to Hell with what Americans want and so poorly need. If there is any justice he and his imp Addington will both suffer horribly painful, slow deaths in prison. Serious steps need to be taken so that America never has to suffer like this again at the hands of some war profiteering criminal tyrant.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:05 amAnd right after the interview, Martha Raddatz had to call in a Hazmat team and be cleaned thouroughly for being that close to EVIL INCARNATE.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:06 amWords can't describe.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:11 amContinually working against public opinion should be grounds for firing asap. It shouldn't take an act of the universe.
With any luck, his borrowed yacht will hit a floating explosive device while he's fishing and send him to where he belongs.
It's hard for me to understand how these people don't get it that they are elected to protect the constitution and represent the people of this country. They were not elected to advance the cause of the Republican party and to enrich their friends.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 amOld Cheney is working for us. How dare him. He needs to be impeach now.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:18 amOf course Cheney is right! What do you think this is, a "government of the people, for the people"?
/sarcasm off
March 19th, 2008 at 11:22 amNews announcement of the not-too-distant future:
Dick Cheney has died of a heart attack!!
REAL Americans and the WORLD:
SO?
Thank God!!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:24 amOf course Cheney doesn't care what Americans think because he hates his Country. That's obvious.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:26 amPoor g_g seems to be suffering from BFS* too...
All the troll can do anymore is cut and paste its own days old comments.
Talk about a bitter, broken troll...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA...
*Bush Fatigue Syndrome
March 19th, 2008 at 11:27 amLet A = America majority opinion: The war isn't worth it"
Let B = Bush: "The war is worth it".
Let C = Cheney: "The War IS worth it"
Let P = Pollack: "Despite mistakes....the war may be worth it"
Let Pi = The rest of the Press.
Pi x (B+C+P)- A = n
What is n?
a) n = negative A
March 19th, 2008 at 11:28 amb) n is >30 years
c) n is > $1 trillion
d) n is Jane gets 3/5ths of a tainted apple, Jimmy has no legs and Dick's personal worth is >$300 million.
e) All of the above
I can't imagine how much security this phuckwad needs on these trips to spew mindless drivel.
This guy needs a drool cup & a psych evaluation, pronto.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:29 amIf there is one person worse than bush it is cheney...what a hollow humanbeing. When Enron turned off California's power and charged astronomical rates..cheney cared less. He ignores public opinion, the public he takes a salary from.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amI picture Bush and Cheney in hell with their MASTER Satan, and he is SMASHING THEIR FACES IN EVERY SECOND FOR ETERNITY.
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
WHAM! SPLAT!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ETERNAL FUN for their MASTER Satan. And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, already DEAD and BURNING!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:35 amralph the wonder llama Says:
My immediate response to this article was “Fluctuate? FLUCTUATE? Go fluctuate yourself, Cheney.”
CHENEY: On the security front, I think there’s a general consensus that we’ve made major progress, that the surge has worked. That’s been a major success.
RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think two-third of Americans can go fluctuate themselves.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:35 am"... to come within the next few weeks."
Geez, talk about reading tea leaves... g_g is really stretching the wording.
Me t'inks g_g is ASSUMING waaaaay tooooo much there.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:35 amGG - try getting some info from other than your standard pap..read what real soldiers on the ground say. Things are NOT better they are using payoffs to militant leaders to even keep a little quiet. Or better yet, listen to what Petraeus is saying...IT IS NOT PROGRESSING. Tune in to programs with real Iraqi citizens opinion, how they enjoy total poverty.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:36 amMarie at 10:48 am
Go to he11.
Arrogant S.o.b. should have his steel heart rust inside his chest, and die in agony.
heard on maddow:
The maker of a common medical device issue a press release that sounds like a terrible pick up line heard at a tech convention. WARNING: Your heart may be hacked.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/wifi-pacemaker.html
bwaaa ha ha ha ha...
March 19th, 2008 at 11:36 amAfter 5 wasted years, millions of lives, and billions of dollars, you look like a complete f**king a**hole every time you attempt to justify staying any longer.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:37 amCHENEY: No. I think two-third of Americans can go fluctuate themselves.
________
Now now now... the Dickster's got a valid point here. The world is allus in flux.
Sometimes the world flux down.
And sometime the world flux up.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:38 ammay he suffer a sloooowwwwwww and PAINFUL death.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:38 ami will be the first to sh!t on the bastards grave!
#52:
That just may be enough time to get 18 of the 18 provinces under control of Iraqi security forces
-or- This will give more time to ignore the tanking economy and solidify a Depression worse than 1929, This will give more time for another natural disaster (Katrina)so that our resources (National Guard) are "outsourced" to Iraq/Iran, This will give Private paramilitary contractors to continue to rake in Billions in prfits, This will ensure that Bechtel, Haliburton (i.e.) to continue to rake in Billions of profits.
Go, Cheney yourself!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:39 amGG you dumb cnt. The point is that when Cheney is asked "So? You don’t care what the American people think?" his answer is "No".
Please smear your sycophant smag somewhere else.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:39 amSo, when the soldiers on the ground are saying things are just as bad and the Iraqi government officials and families don't leave the Green Zone...they are just misinformed. Everyone is wrong except cheney and bush....ok.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:43 amAnd it's been said that Rev. Write is "unamerican"... What could possibly be more unamerican than simply dismissing the will of the people. Certainly I'm not going to defend the argument that "the majority is always right", but to so casually and callously dismiss 2/3 of of the country is just plain counter to the whole concept of democracy, civil discourse, and representative government. To simply argue something along the lines of "those 2/3 must be wrong, because otherwise I'D be wrong, and we can't let that happen" is a sure sign of a delusional, authoritarian, unamerican dictator.
Zathusseinrus
March 19th, 2008 at 11:43 amOMG> That arrogant, evil old bastard.
Satan, please come and collect your faithful old servant - he needs to come home to you.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:44 amLividLib, Bush and Cheney's graves are gonna have some of the thickest, greenest grass ever seen on them...
And you'll have to take a number and wait in such a long time to get yer chance.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am#36, excellent job on the 14 points of FACISM, don`t forget the "NOBLE LIE". Arogance is what got us in this "messopatamia" in the first place.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:45 amUnfortunately bush would just replace cheney with another cheney...they are rampant in his small circle of loyal bush allies. Wolfowitz, Pearle, Feith, Snow...the list of Cheneys goes on and on. Heartless, selfish, arrogant asses. Find a Republican and you find an empty,selfish person.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am#68
Thank you.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:47 amOf course, the "big lie" was 9/11. Didn't Hilter say something about a "big lie" : the bigger the lie, the more people wouldn't think to challenge it.
Pardon me if this has been said previously....
SHUT THE F_CK UP, YOU F_CKING F_CK!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:48 amThose who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~ Voltaire
March 19th, 2008 at 11:52 amSo?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:54 amSorry - forgot the link:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/19/half_a_decade_of_war_five
March 19th, 2008 at 11:55 am#70: As far as the big lie goes, it was Goebbels who said,
'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
March 19th, 2008 at 11:55 amTHE HIGH PRICE OF INCOMPETENCE
I don't believe that the Bush adminstration's Iraq invasion and occupation fiasco was initially planned and executed by "evil" men and women. But I do believe it was the most incompetently and disastrously planned and executed military and foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States of America. The "evil" was in the arrogance, stupidity and failures of judgment that resulted from what happened in Iraq that the Bush administration was far too incompetent to foresee and then far too dishonest to admit for fear of political consequences. The "evil" was in the outright lying, purposeful distortions and deliberate denials for the purpose of covering up the unconsiconable amount of Iraqi death and destruction that resulted from the Bush administration's multiple serial failures of judgment and planning. The "evil" was perpetuating death and destruction to save political face. The "evil" was in deceiving and now forcing the American taxpayers to waste trilions of their hard earned dollars, that could have been invested in America, for a failed war that has absolutely no military, political, moral, social or economic benefit to the United States of America. The lies and cover-ups are continuing five years later, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the men and women who are still planning and executing them are representations of "evil" incarnate. Their "incompetence" grew into "evil" because they valued their political lives over the mortal lives of 4000 patriotic American solidiers, hundreds of thousands of helpless and innocent Iraqi civilians and hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of taxpayer dollars that could have been used to improve the quality of the lives of American men, women and children. At this point, there are no explanations or excuses that can hide the "evil" that the men and women of the Bush administration are forcing down the throats of decent and conscientious American citizens. They are past the point of redemption. They have become "evil" itself.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:56 amLeaders also protect their citizens and country, they do not bankrupt, lie and ruin the country they receive their salaries from. Americans gave permission to enter Afganistan NOT Iraq. AND for years the majority wanted troops home.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amHow do you spell a**hole?
C-H-E-N-E-Y
March 19th, 2008 at 11:59 amGG needs to go visit Iraq and watch so many innocents try to work but end up watching their child die. Lets see your compassion for Cheney then.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:59 amWhat a Dick
March 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pmIt is shameful that this War Criminal has not been taken out of office and put on trial for his WAR CRIMES. It is just as shameful that part of our population supports this kind of War Criminal.
GoneGoofy is proof of the rampant stupidity that has consumed that part of the country, hate radio has brainwashed the simple into believing anything that they spew on the airwaves.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pmI think that man-sized safe in Cheney's office is actually some knid of "bat pole" thingy like in the old t.v. series. Only thing is this one leads straight to Hell. When the shit hits the fan around the WH and he goes to his undisclosed location just where do you think he's going? Also, how do you think that fire got started in his office? Maybe a little backdraft from the depths. Rumour has it that the door is triggered by some kind of retinal scanner that digitally reads the level of pure evil in your eye. Cheney's levels are so high, he is the only one evil enough to trigger it. Rove managed to get in a few times and Cheney had him "gimpped" ala "Pulp Fiction" by Jeff Gannon. When he realized that Karl enjoyed it a little too much, he was told that if Dick ever catches him in Hell again before his time, he can just forget about Ice Cream Fridays.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pmgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
nanlichi Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Leaders lead.
_____________
They also follow the law. They don't blow off subpoena after subpoena simply because they're afraid their illegal behavior will be outted.
_____________
They don’t blindly follow public opinion polls, especially public opinion polls as materially misrepresented by ThinkProgress.
_____________
There's a difference between a "poll" and the will of the people, ding_dong.
And I guess those polls back in 2002 that showed Botch getting a plus 80% approval ratings after 9/11, huh?
March 19th, 2008 at 12:06 pmWere meaningless.... those 80% plus polls were meaningless.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pmIf you look at the actual poll cited above, it does not say that 61 percent support the immediate redeployment of U.S. troops. It says that 61 percent support redeployment within a few months after the next POTUS takes office.
Since the answer says that 61% support redeployment after the new President takes office, one would assume that is how the question was worded. These questions are quite specific. They don't ask "When do you think troops should be deployed", the ask something like "Do you support having the new President redeploy the troops after he/she takes office?"
If anyone takes a look at the recent polls on Iraq, all say that a large majority thinks it was not worth what it has cost in lives and money, a large majority thinks it is seriously affecting our economy and a large majority wants us to get the hell out of there.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pmFind a Republican and you find an empty, selfish person.
You forgot soulless.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pmso? can be used to answer any question mr cheney ?
1/5th of Americans dont have health care / So
4000 troops have died mr Cheney / So
America is in recession Mr Cheney / So
nowhere else in the world can a politician use / SO
March 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pmRead it very slowly GG, I will post it here again:
RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.
CHENEY: So?
RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?
CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.
Cheney unequivocally says that he doesn't care what the American people think. He rationalizes that arrogant comment by referring to "flucuations". Cognitive dissonance at its best. A VP of supposedly the most democratic country in the world who rationalizes ignoring 2/3rds of the people he represents?
March 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pmSo?
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/18/winter_soldier_contd_us_vets_active
March 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pmThanks for posting these testimonials, hussein toasterhead. They are heartbreaking.
Cheney would say SO?
March 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pmThe problem is Cheney doesn't feel he has to answer to the citizens his boss is bush who he controls completely. So, then actually cheney is cheney's boss. How convenient for a morally corrupt breathing germ.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pmThank God someone is reading about the Winter Soldier, thought it was just a few of us.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pmSo?
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/winter_soldier_us_vets_active_duty
March 19th, 2008 at 12:29 pmWhere does the picture above come from? Encyclopedia besides "Malevolent Grin" definition?
March 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pmtexaslady ...
So, then actually cheney is cheney’s boss...
My guess, Satan.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pmIn reply to #77..
You wrote a very well thought out response and I'm in agreement with all of your thoughts; however, don't think for one moment that the architects of this war were not "evil" men. They were. The Cheney's, Pearl's and Wolfowitz' of this world wanted action taken against Iraq while President Clinton was in office. They got their wish and took advantage of the ignorance of the next president and put their plan into motion. If you wanted to get real "evil" we could talk about those who helped the November vote go all the way to the Supreme Court. This entire administration was built on "evil." Their reasoning was irrational. Their mistakes were deadly. To this day they refuse to admit to mistakes while insisting everything must stay the same. Their fear game is lacking because nobody listens anymore, thank God. And, Cheney thumbs his nose at the American people. He is an arrogant bully.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pm...as I said before: I hope this FACIST pig, Dick Chnney, ends up like his Second World War counterpart, Mussolini. His fat and ugly body hanging up side down and the Italians cuing up to spit on it!
March 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm...cueing up to spit on it!
March 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmSo everyone here supported Dennis Kucinich for President?
March 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pmCHENEY: So?
Memo to Congress and Pelosi: Did you hear that? Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass on what the American people think. Dick only cares about Dick!
March 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pmDid you know that just before 9-11 cheney was inexplicably put in charge of NORAD? It's true. The first and only time a civilian was placed in that position. Check it out. And read some of what Jim Marrs has written and spoken about on this subject.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pmThree cheers for Dick for telling it like it is, at least in the attitude of the ruling class towards democracy. The Republicans and the Democrats are two cheeks of the same bottom.
In December, the Pentagon released "good news" from Iraq, a study of focus groups from all over the country that found that Iraqis have "shared beliefs", so that reconciliation should be possible, contrary to claims of critics of the invasion. The shared beliefs were two. First, the US invasion is the cause of the sectarian violence that has torn Iraq to shreds. Second, the invaders should withdraw and leave Iraq to its people.
A few weeks after the Pentagon report, New York Times military-Iraq expert Michael R. Gordon wrote a reasoned and comprehensive review of the options on Iraq policy facing the candidates for the presidential election. One voice is missing in the debate: Iraqis. Their preference is not rejected. Rather, it is not worthy of mention. And it seems that there is no notice taken of the fact. That makes sense on the usual tacit assumption of almost all discourse on international affairs: We own the world, so what does it matter what others think? They are "unpeople", to borrow the term used by British diplomatic historian Mark Curtis in his work on Britain's crimes of empire. Routinely, Americans join Iraqis in unpeoplehood. Their preferences, too, provide no options.
Its a self evident truth that the U.S. is taking on more aspects of fascism. The problem is that right wing parties and power stuctures exist to transfer power and wealth to the privileded elite and as every child knows, rather than saying "i want it and i dont care what you think" they quickly learn to say something like "if i get it that will be good for everyone else because of (this reason or that)". Therefore in order to promote exploitation of the population as socially or individually beneficial its proponents need to be either immoral liars or nuts and over time this mindset will become structurally embedded. Neo-Conservative doctrine and ideology is simply an intellectual rationalisation for a corrupt social order. The U.S. Started as a paradise on earth for religous zealots and elitists, particularly in the south where a landed gentry attempted to create, and largely succeded, a pure version of the hierarchical english class system with slaves replacing the white lower orders. This immoral social stucture has simply been extended globally.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:10 pmThe end of the U.S. empire is well overdue. Like all empires, such as the British, French, Soviet, Chinese, Indonesian and others it has a malignant and parasitic character. It differs from all others empires in that its global reach far surpasses others and its methods are more advanced and extensive. Real particpative democracy in the U.S. is a fantasy. The U.S. has one political party, The Business party, with two slightly different factions. On almost all significant social issues both the Republicans and the Democrats are well to the right of the overwhelming majority of the population. The current executive office holders are an extreme version of whats gone before and in fact they are helping the world by deliberately bringing forward the financial collapse of the U.S. through their policy of 'slaying the beast'(Government). The U.S. polity is one of narcissism, immorality and individualism and is irredeemable in its current form.
Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we need him?
March 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm"The blood is a very special fluid" Goethe came up with that laconic phrase and he was not saying this as a scientist, but as a poet. And in Genesis: "the voice of thy brother´s blood crieth unto me"
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 amThis Mr. Cheney and that Mr. Bush sure have mixed up the concept of "blood" with the concept of "petrol". And the sad consequence of all this is when millons of people die due to that terrible mistake, and other so many are at the mercy of the indigence, the poverty, the brutalization and grief.
Mr.Cheney...Mr. Bush: do you have blood in your bodies?
So, the real power behind Bush's presidency chimes in on the anniversary of the war sold to us with a pack of lies and a fear mongering campaign that would make Hitler proud.
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:23 pmUnfortunately Cheney's response was not carried on many news casts. The outrage against the war would be greater if this reaction to the will of the people were widely known
. I've devoted this weeks edition of my weekly political cartoon to this illegal occupation, it's up on my website now.
http://www.whatnowtoons.com
Regarding post #74:
You cannot tell me that this war was not initially planned and perpetrated by evil men. The billions that Cheney and his company, Halliburton, has made from this invasion does not a coincidence make.
Why the hell, he has gotten away with this crime of greed and murder is waaaaay beyond me.
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmI want my country back!!! We the people have the right to form a new government if the current one is not working!!!!
March 23rd, 2008 at 7:39 pm#105 johnsom: there always is a rotten apple in the basket.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:26 amOk! bust it wide open.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:17 amOh my God,...is it possible that somebody like Cheney can say that in an interview? That is an example of an I-D-I-O-T!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:32 amThis is another fine example of what American is fighting for...and dying.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:43 amIt is rather nice to see Himmler himself go against the American public, as his puppet, the American Hitler bush, is busily killing off as many soldiers as he can before he has to leave for the love of oil.......both of these bastards need to not only be impeached, but put before a Tribunal for War Crimes against humanity! It's too bad that we have so little help from Congress; if they had the cajones, they would've put these two asswipes in jail a long time ago for their actions against this country as well as the world.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:03 amUSA: Your government were NOT democratically voted into office. They are criminals who illegally put themselves into office. Al Gore should have been your president.
The American people have been robbed of their taxes...most of which going to fund this illegal war. The defense giant The Carlyl group (Bush senior & junior) are the biggest earners of this war. This war was based on GREED and nothing else.
All those people (American and Iraqi) who have died so that the Bush family can line their pockets. Words cannot describe how disgraceful this is. Those billions of tax dollars, just think what else they could have been spent on.
World opinion on USA has been rock bottom for years now but I think people are starting to see that it is not the average American who's at fault...it's you illegal government.
WHEN ARE AMERICANS GOING TO IMPEACH THESE CRIMINALS IN CHARGE OF THEIR COUNTRY?
Jade, England.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:20 amoh and...I think you need to know. Your media doesn't portray this to you very well, but America IS hated across the world. I have lots of American friends as I used to live in New York for 5 years so this upsets me.
It musn't be a very plesant experience being an American in a foreign country these days. All this has been acheived by your illegal government.
Dick here has proven how the government don't take into consideration or even care about the American opinion. I cannot say this strongly enough... IMPEACH Don't sit back and expect someone else to do it. Start the procedure right now by rallying up your friends and neighbours and begin the chain of events. Once someone starts this most Americans will follow.
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
March 24th, 2008 at 7:28 amThe only thing good enough for these MF's is the Guillotine...Let them eat Terror
No country for old white men!
March 24th, 2008 at 7:28 amSee Micheal Moore's site for some very pertinet comments to Cheney - "SO?"
March 24th, 2008 at 7:38 amABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:00 amWhat's another name for Richard? DICK
March 24th, 2008 at 8:05 amWhat's another name for Cranium? HEAD
I strongly believe that this man needs to be held accountable for his actions. For lying. For abusing power. For stealing through his company Haliburton. For manslaughter for killing 4000 US troops. For war crimes for killing a million Iraqis. This man needs to be held accountable as he has held the US public in contempt...
March 24th, 2008 at 8:07 amand above all I hope he rots in hell
The whole executive branch should be in prison by now if america had not become a proto-fascist state in the hands of a military junta.
EXECUTIVE RESUME
March 24th, 2008 at 8:23 amSo? Really? How about you got to the homes of the 4,000 troops we lost and say, "So?" to those families?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 amHow did these lying, invading, murdering burglars get into OUR White House !!!
Never, never, never again !!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:49 amIraq had NOTHING BUT OIL.
The engineers working in Iraq since 1972 TOLD YOU THE TRUTH.
In 1991 Saddam defended his contracts, his pipeline, and his access to the Persian Gulf thru KuWait.
The UN Inspectors, during our 12 years of embargo, TOLD YOU THE TRUTH.
Even Saddam Hussein TOLD YOU THE TRUTH.
Bush senior and Bush junior LIED TO YOU.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 amAnd they are still LYING !!!
SLAVERY is when a FEW Plantation Owners CONTROL the actions of a large poplulation of SLAVES.
Welcome to the new America. The deregulated corporate chemical, biological, military empire.
So, What then is Freedom
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 amAmericans deserve him... you voted for him twice. And even if you are one of those that didn't vote for him (or his puppet Bush) you still have done nothing to get rid of him. Nothing. So quit your whining and take it like the pacifistic society that you are.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 amArrest or remove these WAR CRIMINALS before the NORTH AMERICAN UNION IS SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS
Many events in this country show the efforts by the Bush Administration to destroy this country. He has set out a niche for himself by continually breaking down the Constitution. By breaking down Habeus Corpus and acts in defense pacts where he makes sole decisions if martial law is implemented perpetrates an administration that may try to stay in office. Back door Bush is behind the backs of those in Congress while he perpetrates destroying America with the North Amercian Union. With the dollar nearly worthless its perfect timing to implement this scheme and change the currency. This war a farce! Many needlessly killed for some other lan of this Administration. A democracy does not exist in America. The legal/judicial system is so covered-up and corrupt, no rights exist for the American people. Most do not know it but i certainly do.
The greatest fear for the American people and America is letting this Administration stay in office until election day. Sadly, I do not doubt an attack will occur to keep this administartion in office and Bush will implement the rest of his strategy in destroying America.
God Bless All of Us!
Cheryl Kennedy
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 amAnd they say Obama's pastor is "Un-American?" Give me a break.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 amMarch 24th, 2008 at 9:11 am
personally I prefer this version of that video...
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 am
oops...this is the last time I'll try to post this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kv5oi2tA_U
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 amIMPEACH THEM BOTH,QUICKLY!!! NO TIME TO WASTE ANYMORE, NO LIVES TO WASTE IN VAIN... IMPEACH THEM NOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 amWHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE WAITING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOR YEARS AND YEARS I HAVE BEEN SAING PUT THE "BUSH CRIME FAMILY" IN JAIL..........I WAS WRONG HANG THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:27 amYou can just picture him sitting there wringing his hands maniacally. BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHA!
Sincerely,
March 24th, 2008 at 9:29 amKrashkopf's 12 year old daughter
Still Bush's Brain is the evil Dick Cheney. BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And one more BUWHAHAHA!!
Sincerely,
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 amKrashkopf's Eight Year Old Daughter
The Bush Administration has been anything but perfect, mainly due to a favoring of the ultra rich corporations and individuals. However, the Iraq war was based not only on faulty information but correctly on the known intent of Sadam Hussein to purchase and assemble Nuclear warheads. Oil was a motivating factor but Congressional liberals quickly muted our military victory into a turn Iraq into a Democracy campaign. Hussein was a butcher and a madman and got his just desserts. My biggest question to you lily livered cowardly call yourself Americans is that the Democratic party is supposed to be a populist movement to help all peoples of the world but you want to abandon the Iraqi majority even though there is clear evidence of real progress in that region. If I was EMPORER of the US, I would have sucked Iraq dry of oil to pay for the stupid war they
faked us into and not waste a trillion dollars rebuilding that idiot country.
Perhaps you ARMCHAIR generals should study more history. Start with the FALL OF ROME (too good too long made the fat Romans, weak and insubordinate like a lot of US citizens-they were attacked from all sides by barbarians who feasted on their weakness), RISE OF NAZI GERMANY (appointed a novice named Hitler screaming hope and change -- they got it). Too much McDonald's carbs, no discipline and funky education has led to a lot of very stupid, Americans--can U spel B A R A C K. Just read the comments on this blog and understand that Dick Cheney knows what he is doing from the inside(much more than you idiots who are making such stupid comments and allegations without any real knowledge). You flag burning creeps should go join Al Quida and be done with it.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 amI would think that rather than ranting, we would have carried him out of the white house tarred and feathered by now... WHY? are people surprised? These 'wanna-be-oligarchs', are the closest thing to dictators we have had in this nation for some time... and yet they presist. You wanted him you got him, don't complain, or do something about it! NOW. Or shut up.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:36 amHey,Dicky.....go on....have that next heart attack..I`ve got a nice warm spot just waiting for YOU.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 amSo...
who re-elected these two jerks? We did.
We could have stopped the invasion but we were too
busy watching the latest episode of Survivor.
You reap what you SO.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 amWhat's up with those two Bozo's, Bush and Cheney anyway? Those two clowns have done their best to destroy the national security of this country, not to mention being responsible for the deaths of 4000 troops since the Iraq war started. Thats not even taking into consideration the thousands of wounded one's scarred for life, that will have no life. Bush and Cheney forget they were elected to represent and serve the citizens of the United States, not to run this country selfishly for their own benefit and profits. I also can't believe that any of the military commanders, past or present, would support such a fiasco of so called war. This is no war, it started as an invasion and now it's an occupation and police action by our military. As an ex-vietnam vet I am appalled by the actions of this administration and total abuse of their powers. I saw similar actions taken by President Johnson and Nixon to keep the war going in Vietnam even though it was well known by military strategists and those like myself, who were in military intelligence, that the war in Vietnam was going to be unwinnable. Now in Iraq, its even worse. You have the CIA and NSA running around the country along with paid Merc's, undermining and destroying what the Iraqi people really want, us being out of that country and letting them deal with their own country's politics. The Iraqi people have to do this on their own, and due to the several factions of that government it will never work if we're there trying to install one government to represent all the different factions. Iraq will need to develop several government's that represent all these factions by themselves. Not one democratic government. Hell they wouldn't even know what to do with a democracy, and they dont' want it. Instead of Bush and Cheney sneaking in and out of Iraq in the cover of night, for a day or two, have them stay there for months and see how they fair for themselves. That means outside of the green zone, without security. They paint such a bogus positive picture of how its getting better, yeah, they wouldn't last an hour on thier own walking those streets. Its real easy to be brave and ballsy when it's someone else's ass on the line, not to mention their blood being spilled. Bush and Cheney need to re-read the constitution of this United States. I don't see anywhere where it says, dicatorship.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:54 amIraq is better off?
Before the invasion, Iraq had movie theaters and bars and women wearing what they wanted and a significant Christian population and one of the few Arab capitals with an open synagogue. You could also buy a gun in shops in Baghdad.
It also had 1,000,000 more live Iraqis.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:02 amI rarely watch television, yet that day I turned it on while I was hanging around with my nine year old daughter. I happened to catch that very moment, with snide Cheney the hog and his outrageous insensitivity. Unbelievable. Though you'd think Americans would believe it by now...apparently this kind of ignorant behavior has become the new reilgion.
saint.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:09 amNeo Con, murderer, thief, and, of course, traitor.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/pox_americana.html
Indict in '09. No pardons.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 amI have thought for along time that Bush knew 911 was coming and he did nothing. I also believe this war is a personal one between Bush and the Saudis over oil. One the day 911 hit he let the Bin Laden family fly out on a no fly day. I think Bush and all his moron puppets are going to pay one day. I must say thank you and God Bless to ALL the troops who are either fighting or have fought in this horrible war. You all love your country and thought you were doing the right thing by fighting the fight. It's a very painful and sad thing to know it was all for nothing. I have read some of the war stories on this site and my heart breaks for you. I hope and pray you all can heal from this and have a good life.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 amHard hearted Hannah, making apologies for our troops. GET A LIFE GIRL. You liberals make me vomit.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 amCheney,Bush,Wolfowitz..all those who have their hands in it should not only be impeached but be tried for war crimes at The Hague..the whole world will be watching and hoping for justice.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:25 amComment from Canada.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:46 amSure Bush and Cheney are evil. They fulfill the needs for the American (and Canadian) wet dream of driving an 8 mile per gallon pig. The world is running out of oil. Other means for energy are expensive to convert to. The stock market driven economies of the free world are supposed to reward creativity and innovation in the marketplace, but in reality the pig is there too. Profit is the bottom line. Crisis is the only thing that will bring change now. We're all greedy bastards. Your children for oil? Not me. Do you think that the Democrats will change anything. They can't
It turned my stomach to see "5 deferment" Cheney giving
that female, US soldier a Silver Star.
GO F YOURSELF, CHENEY.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:01 amThink progress, yes, but also DO progress. Cheney and his people are above the law with all their earthly power, like it or not. So how do you make legal changes when the thing you want to change isn't even on the playing field? You start from the bottom up and smoke 'um out. Hound your Congressman/woman with letters and email. If that doesn't work don't vote for them again. Every one who reads this comment needs to move beyond the thinking stage to the doing stage. Make a difference.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:22 amHe makes Benedict Arnold look like a saint. Please impeach the insufferable scoundrel, and get him in front of a war tribunal where he belongs!
March 24th, 2008 at 11:23 amDear American Cousins ... get up off your butts and get rid of these clowns. What are you waiting for? Would you allow another country to treat your mother, father, sister, brother or any cherished family member the way the US is treating others in this world - inventing a crisis to fit a very self-serving purpose while pounding the most vulnerable of inhabitants into misery and oblivion; children, women, the infirm and the elderly? You are much better than this and you know what is right ... now please do it. Thanks.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 amYou know, they are too busy to bring democracy and freedom to the world to bother about the fluctuations of the public opinion. If you are concerned about the poor state of democracy around the globe, you cannot be bothered with what people think! I guess the next logical step will be to skip elections for awhile, because it is just a waste of time and money and completely unnecessary now, as they have more important things to worry about - like democracy and freedom. And those who do not agree to this policy, should actually be prosecuted as enemies of democracy and freedom!
I guess the above could have been an excerpt from the what is going on in the minds of these people...
March 24th, 2008 at 11:40 amMr. Cheney,
March 24th, 2008 at 11:54 amIt is clear what a self righteous, pompous, arrogant, man you are. You are so arrogant to think that we, the American people are ignorant and uneducated. However, we are far from it and we see your true role in our government. How easy it is to spew out, "So" isn't it? You know that you have nothing else to say because the decisions made by our government have failed the entire country. Regardless of the fact that you were able to deceive many the truth is, is you and your cohort George Bush will go down in history as the laughing stock of our country. I beg, "God DO NOT have mercy on your soul"
a public execution by firing squad would be too good for Cheney & Co
what's wrong with the american people??? your government has been hijacked by Halliburton (Cheney's big oil cronies) and a war profiteering military industrial complex.
oh right... imperialist america, manifest destiny
may america crash & burn, greedy & complacent craphounds, you all deserve it
March 24th, 2008 at 11:55 am#32, jpopphan: Dick Cheney has no business whatsoever in a representative, republican democracy like we have. He is better suited to an authoritarian dictatorship or a fascist plutocracy where elites like himself make the decisions without listening to the pesky peasants who live far away from the decadent bubble inhabited by the rich and powerful.
Unfortunately, the reality is that we no longer live in a representative, republican democracy. The USA is in a fascist plutocracy, as evidenced here by Cheney's attitude.
I would very strongly urge that EVERYONE read Naomi Wolf's extremely important book, The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot
March 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pmThere have been a few comments in here that are really not worth repeating or calling attention to. BUT...if seeing some of the comments in here doesn't give you the impression that "We the People" are sick of this administration.. well think again.. when we elect people who do as they say they will to get elected then maybe we'll see a change. I never believe a word that comes from our governments lips! They all lie, steal and cheat to get more, more, more!!! I think it's really stupid to say that the Iraqi people should pay for this war.. It wasn't something they wanted.. Sadam Hussein kept that country in line..whether we think what he did was right or not.. it's not our business! they have oil and that's why alfred e newman and dick vadar went there.. only freakin reason.. no other! there are a few here, I must say has a very nasty attitude about 'us liberals' and I wish those persons would crawl back in the hole where they came from. Also, if we are such a "pacifistic society" as claimed by yet another here..I guess rioting and looting would make you happy.. like back in the days of the other war we fought for NO GOOD reason.. I lost my father then.. and It was a waste of life just like this war and for NO good reason.. Oh.. right.. I forgot again.. oil!.. Dry up and blow away you nasty people along with shrub and dick vadar! or better yet go live in Canada!
March 24th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWhy is VP Cheney such a tough guy? Because he's got David Addington as his chief of staff.
Addington is from Albuquerque, NM. He graduated from Sandia High School and went on up the food chain from there.
Here's a link to read about Cheney's Guy - David Addington - He's barely known outside Washington's corridors of power, but David Addington is the most powerful man you've never heard of. Here's why:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060529/29addington.htm
March 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pmIf we had a draft, more families from every income-level would care a lot more about this war!
Then maybe they'd be pissed off!!
March 24th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI'll keep it simple: DICK Cheney is a war monger and war criminal who should be tried by an international court of justice. That he should have been impeached long ago yet was not is an indication of just how 'protected' he is by money, cronyism and the current Bush Administration. It is the likes of George W., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and others of that administration - not to mention their acts of neglect for U.S. citizens and those of the global community - that has left me feeling no longer proud to be an American.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:37 pmWe should not be surprised at his insensitive comment. This is the man whose company cannot even supply our American soldiers in Iraq with clean drinking water while he makes capital gains. Impeachment is not enough. He should be exiled from this country. He is a traitor. We need to return our government back to the people of this country as it was meant to be when America was first founded.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pmWe, as Americans, need to ban together instead of letting the power-hungry politicians get their way by making us divide.. just look at the division in the Democratic Party.. it has many people dividing over race and gender issues. Then you have Republicans, as well as many other new parties rising up, all the religions and churches America has, all the social issues.. and medical diagnosis which we 'fight to find the cure' for.. but we as American's cannot unite to prevent the death of our soldiers?! What happened to our sense of 'unity' from 9/11? Did the people in the Towers die in vain? Are our soldier's fighting and dying to line the pockets of selective corporations who are lining the pockets of politicians engaged in this election? Maybe we Americans have developed ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) from all the information that passes through the airwaves.. It is overwhelming, so we retreat into our own little worlds, and do not fight for any cause until it affects us or someone who we love. We need someone to step up and lead.. we need to develop a plan to be proactive, instead of reactive. Instead of complaining, be part of the solution.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:48 pmthis guy is as blind, as bush, all living in there own world, and only for thereselves, the rich, feed the rich, the poor die.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pmits amazing how many people have commented on this.... and yet... who is saying these things in places that MATTER... in the uncomfortable places where these things NEED to be heard?
posting a comment on a progressive blog is like preaching to the choir. get out of the internet and start getting into your every day lives and making the change happen.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pmI thought the way democracy worked was that people got elected to office and then listened to, and honoured, the views of the majority of the public. How naive of me to think that way... Wouldn't be funny to see Cheney go to America's high schools and teach a lesson on democracy?
March 24th, 2008 at 12:56 pmHey CommanderHillary,
March 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pmI'm willing to bet you're a Chickenhawk!
In case you're too stoopid to know what that means. Bush and Cheney are chickenhawks, too. Chickenhawk - always willing to send someone else to fight in a war, but unwilling to put their own precious arse at risk.
this is what you get because you decided to allow them to steal an election twice.Now there is an unjust war,4000 dead americans due to a LIE,highest ever gas prices,and a president and vice president who would care less what this counrty has to say. Now you are about to allow the same thinking to continue on in washington, America not again did you not learn your lesson the first two times under the Bush/cheney gang,by allowing the mccain gang to further the same agenda?
March 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pmThe LIES that Led to WAR:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pmhttp://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/video.html
Cheney brings to mind the duct taped tin man from the 'Wizard of Oz'. Not the fact that he is searching for a heart-but that the oil can is getting low. The war was, and is, being waged because of simple greed and avarice from neo-con minds. It's Kristol clear! Anyone for duct taping dick's sneering lips? Or would that be torture for bush - no more BJ,s.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI never imagined a traitor could be so bold, until I realized what Neo Con Reality was about.
Cheney's indictment, if there is one, might be after he is out of pardon range. That is, if the junta leaves quietly and without a "special" event.
Cheney should be the most wiretapped and surveilled suspect on planet earth. Got enough probable cause?
We should not allow Cheney to dodge prosecution in '09. Is there is a statutory limit on treason or international war crimes?
http://www.light-to-dark.com/brewster_jennings.html
http://www.light-to-dark.com/neo_con_totality.html
March 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pmFluctuations ?? Fluct you white guys too.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pmThis is why the world hates the States! Get these people out of power NOW- Lock them up for war crimes. We all know they killed suddam because he wanted to trade the oil in Euros and not dollars- just like the Iranian president wants to do- and might achieve with Venezuela and all their oil on his side!!
March 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pmIn response to:
160. ratscatsangels Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
this guy is as blind, as bush, all living in there own world, and only for thereselves, the rich, feed the rich, the poor die.
No.. you have proved it! You get more results by sitting on your computer, complaining, than you do by acting on a problem. I would normally be offended by the comparison to Bush, but judging by your problem solving skills.. and your focus on your discrimination.. you have proved my point. Thank you.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pmIf ignorance is bliss, then you Mr. Vice President, must be in hell's version of heaven.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:20 pmWhy have a pacemaker when you have no discernible heart?
It's wonderful to see that Americans finally realize the sort of criminals their politicians are. Recently I saw a documentary filmed at the end of the Vietnam War and a veteran was saying there: "I think America is trying hard not to learn from criminality of its politicians". What I read here is a show that it might be slowly changing. Want the world to have a better opinion about you, folks? Make a Revolution in the USA. Don't follow any crazy extremist ideologies, but do the Revolution with one main purpose: RE-CONQUER (OR CONQUER) YOUR OWN COUNTRY; THE GOVERNMENT IS WORKING HARD TO CONTROL ALL OF YOU - PUT THE GOVERNMENT UNDER YOUR, PEOPLE'S, CONTROL. That means KNOWING how to run the economy and all the public systems the way they would serve people's everyday needs. You could do the Revolution adapting recent Latin American experiences to the American reality: don't you say thay America needs a third party that would be REALLY different? Well, go ahead, start one. Go to elections with it dragging all of those who usually don't vote. Step number one of the political program of such a party would be the re-estructuring of the Federal Budget shifting the heavy share of it from War to Social Security. A massive taxpayers' strike to achieve this goal could be considered among the means if the neocons are going to organize another fraud. Yes, to achieve anything is going to be incredibly hard, still harder it's gonna be to re-build America and the world in a human way. I confess I live outside the States, and perhaps it's easier to see from outside that an eventual attack against Iran will probably complete the job of blowing the American financial and economical machine - and the whole of USA as a country - into pieces began by the Bush gang. Recent events in Latin America seem to show that the Establishment is planning to abandon the Middle East for a while and go back to wars in Latin America. That also goes along with Hillary's statements complaining about "crisis of democracy" in the continent. The Pentagon needs ANY war against ANYbody for ANY reason so to justify its own budget. IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BUT MONEY. The same can be said about American (more exactly, Establishment's) Judicial system fabricating "enemies" on America's own streets. Read MARX on your own instead believing the s**t they tell you about him, read also Charles Wright Mills and realize that if you don't do something about your own country yourselves then New York's, Detroit's or Los Angeles' poor neighborhoods could become officially the next Iraq.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pmP.S. Where the hell really is Osama bin Laden? My theory is that if Osama is actually guilty (and it was Colin Powell who said that piece of evidence they obtained "was not something to be shown in a Court of Law"), then he AND Bush did the 9/11 together. Make the Revolution, find Osama and put him on the same bench with the rest of the gang on the trial for War Crimes.
People post encouragment to impeach, and hopes that Pelosi will take notice.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:23 pmHow many of you have written to your congressman or to Pelosi?
This heartless cretin along with the rest of the present administration and 90 percent of the Congress and the Senate should be ousted. Washington is so broken it is pathetic. To think the Democrats want to fix the broken healthcare system with the broken system is a joke. It needs to be totally revamped along with leveling K-street. It is all based on greed for the almighty worthless dollar. These cretins will not be hurt by a recession or the Iraq war. It is all about the oil, if you don't think so then watch The Road Warrior.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pmangbob, how many letters that are written are actually viewed by their congressmen or Pelosi? That is the real question. I am betting that the majority or answered via form letter from taking the return address off of the envelope by their aids. I believe a revolution is going to come.. my concern is that it may come too late.. First, people must put their differences aside and strive for a common goal.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:45 pmAs far as I'm concerned, I support the troops 1000%, but as for Bush,Cheney and any other political stooge, along with BIG OIL, ALL of them should be charged with "TREASON" and punished accordingly.
And let's not forget Hillary the Backstabber who sold-out to the Health care industry. Another "Traitor" to the country???
March 24th, 2008 at 6:46 pmPeople write in with complaints about how the country is being ran.. yet.. are these people willing to act upon their words? Is it their material possessions that they fear losing.. or are they afraid they may lose their lives if they take action.. yet are willing to sacrifice the lives of our sons and daughters.. our future.. instead? The federal deficit keeps climbing and our dollar continues to depreciate.. people are losing their homes.. and the government is using our tax dollars to bail out corporations and fund wars.. so if the reason for being inactive is because of material possessions, don’t be too sure that your possessions will still be here tomorrow.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:19 pmIronically, GW used ’fear tactics’ to start the war and steal the election, which I am sure he learned from the Southern Baptist minister in church. He succeeded to gain the Presidency of the United States on a perceived threat.. creating fear if we did not vote for him, our country would be invaded by terrorists.. and some mentally challenged people actually believed his fairytales and that he was the only one who could save us. We are now being slapped in the face with certain demise, and appear to be unable to act.
Our society has turned into fighting battles on an ’individual crisis’ basis.. Afraid that if they support a cause they may ’catch the disease’, but if they are exposed and it affects them already.. then they will fight.. while they are weak.
People, there is power in numbers!! The politicians know this.. Why else do certain politicans alter their cause and their speeches according to what group of individuals they are campaigning to? It’s because they strategize and play on our individual weaknesses.. using the media. The media bombards our brains with new information daily, so yesterday’s injustice people complained about is put on the back-burner for today’s injustice to complain about. They continue this practice because it blindsides and weakens us.. it confuses us (We are an ADD nation).. We become more concerned about our ’indivdual world’s survival’.
Until we, as Americans, can unite for a common cause, the politicians and corporations will win.. because they are working for common goals.. power and money. We need to stop looking at the color of other people’s skin, ethnicity, social status, or gender.. our differences.. and find the common ground as human beings on this planet. As long as we choose to be oblivious to the world around us.. being more intent on the self instead of looking at the gloabal picture.. we are destined to fail as a country.. and as human being’s.
Where's Han Solo and the Millinium Falcon when you need 'em?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:21 pmHe & Bush should first be put in the stocks so people can pelt them with rotten garbage, and then, led off to prison.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pmWhat ever happened to a government by the people, and for the people?!! We have become a society of sheep. We just listen to what is said, and do as we're told....when we all know that it should be the exact polar opposite!!! Send these two f____n morons over to fight their own war!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pmI couldn't even stand to watch the video...just the pure ignorance, and arrogance in the written statement was enough to make me vomit!!
I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT YOU ARE PEOPLE WITH A GOOD SENSE OF HUMANITY, RESPONSABILITY AND PRIDE. WHAT I´M READING HERE MAKES ME FEEL MUCH BETTER TOWARDS YOU AND YOUR COUNTRY. QUOTING MICHAEL MOORE:"PEOPLE FROM U.S.A. HAVE A GOOD HEART AND A VERY ACTIVE CONSCIENCE" HE´S RIGHT! From Argentina with love.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pmI think this man needs to retire and do some hunting with his drinking buddies. The Karma might just come around...
March 25th, 2008 at 12:31 amWhen I heard "So?" I thought the same thing. What arrogance. These people think they are sovereigns, and in the U.S., the system is supposed to care what the people think.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:37 amI hope that when Mr. Cheney reaches the pearly gates (as if that could even happen), and he tells St. Peter that he's ready to be let into heaven, St. Peter says to him, "So?".
March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 amGod bless you American People, No Country deserves a Government that deliberately uses It's Young to prove a point, or to steal from It's neighbour, or to inflict It's world view, or to give satisfaction to a small group against the majorities satisfaction.....Just my two cents worth.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 amLast night, Frontline did an excellent job exposing Cheney
March 25th, 2008 at 9:23 amfor the corrupt, lying, scoundrel that he is.
The reasons submitted to the UN, for invading Iraq, were
a complete fabrication.
Bush turned out to be nothing more than a puppet and Cheney
was pulling the strings. It is obvious that Bush is nothing
more than an inexperienced figurehead that Cheney and his
advisors had under their control.
Bush was so incompetent he almost screwed up the speech to
the UN.
This sneering Neocon. This greedy Chicken-Hawk. DICK Cheney is the lowest form of bottom feeder, but look to what no one wants to talk about.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:40 amBeyond "theory", this administration conspired to conduct the attacks of 9/11/01 veiled as a false flag operation. Prior to 9/11/01, they, the Neocons(see PNAC), had already made plans to go to war in the ME and had already drafted new laws effectively giving the Executive totalitarian powers. Jeebus - If it looks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck - It is probably a Duck. The neocon agenda is the disease and Bush's war and the ruinous policies of this most sinister and cynical administration are just some of the symptoms. When will the American people stand up?
There is a SPECIAL place in hell for this man and I hope he rots there over a long, long period of time!
March 25th, 2008 at 11:16 amThe one thing that I cannot get my mind around is the IMPEACHMENT proceedings that were brought against President Clinton for having illicit relations with an intern. Guess what? The Bush administration has been SCREWING THE WHOLE COUNTRY since they TOOK (literally) office & no legal actions have been taken. No wonder Cheney says "SO". They have been able to take away our freedoms, get innocent people killed & flush the economy down the toilet with ABSOLUTE IMPUNITY! WTF!
March 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am“American Public on Cheney's latest heartattack: ‘So?’”
March 25th, 2008 at 1:43 pmWhy is this man smiling?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:44 pmI've written my congressman and senators and the message I got back from them was basically, "What have you done for me?" People, the US is fooked! Better we should all prepare for living in a third world country, because that's where we are headed. We don't have leaders, we have politicians whose only real skill lies in getting reelected.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:01 pm2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
"So everyone here supported Dennis Kucinich for President?"
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Excellent point, 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda! And how much do you wanna bet that, after all the internet griping and outrage, most of those posting here will meekly go to the polls in November and vote for whomever the "Democratic" Party nominates?
Our 'democracy' has been reduced to a choice between EVILS; and sometimes it's hard to tell which of the two [sic ] corporate parties is evil-er. Meanwhile we hear, as a mantra, that a 3rd Party candidate "can't win"...even though a substantial majority of us agree with 90% his--or her--positions on the important issues.
There is something radically wrong with this picture of disheartened voters going to the polls and (taking the party with a blatant "conflict of interest" at its word) dutifully vote for whichever candidate smells just a little bit less rotten.
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" None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
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"It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people."
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm-- Gore Vidal
Coming from a "3rd world country"(Romania) i have to say its a shock to see people like this animal left standing.Thank you Michael for every last one of your movies i feel so much sorrow for the common people and so much anger towards your leaders(why should i care right?).Stop buying guns,stop buying new locks and stop being afraid of this simple men.Best of luck.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:21 pmHi to the Decent Americans. I'm a Canadian. THANK GOD!
Sadly, the newish Canadian Prime Minister, Herr Harper, decided he likes the taste of Der Feurer Bush's cock, ordered the Canadain troops in Afghanistan to stop helping the people of Kandahar, Afghanistan, and start killing them. However, since Candada is a democracy, Parliament finally is "reconsidering" the matter, and seems to be about to decide that you get farther using bricks and mortar instead of bombs. And if they so decide, and Stevie says "no", he will be gone, just like in the UK, which is also a democracy, they finally gave the hoof to Herr Bush's Buddy in Lying, Herr Blair. It's odd, because we Canadians had always been taught the USSA is a democracy too. Oh well, everybody makes mistakes.
If she were, the trained seals in the Kremlin .... errr .... Congress, would not mindlessly clap and balance their balls on their noses like the do. Being an old bastard, who spent his youth guarding our camp from T-Rex attacks, I must say, those were the good days, because there used to be a Great Country just to the south of us. I wonder what happened to her?
Did you know that Bush has basically bankrupted your once powerful ecomony? You the People have not paid a red cent for your foreign adventures. You just pay and pay and pay for the corruption that is rampant in the Military-Industral Complex, building weapon, that you don't need, and many that either don't even work or just, with luck. All that money has been borrowed. Possibley the Last Great President of the United States of America, the Glory covered General Dwight Eisenhower, in his farewell speech on 1961, warned the American people of the growing power of the Military-Industrial Complex. Too bad you didn't listen. The Kennedies didn't really get a chance. They wanted to create a "Just Society" which flew right in the face of the Old Guards of the Status Quo. They paid the price. Now the fine and honourable Barrak Obama wants to do the same thing. Shit! If he wins ......
The people of the USSR were lucky. By the time the coup came back in 1990, the Reform Movement (remember "The Great Schism?") had reached the top command levels of the Red Army and the KGB, and when they were ordered to intervene on the side of the Coupmeisters, they said almost to a man, "Nyet!" Even most of the guys and gals in KGB were sick and tired of the bullshit! Imagine the bloodbath that would have ensued if they had said, "Da!" To add insult to injusry, the Gang jsut fooled the trained seals in to passing a bill through the American Supreme Soviet the virtually created the 5th Chief Office of Homeland Insecurity! Of course, it's eay now, having passed the Tyanny Enabling Act, hidden by a successful plot of Propaganda by naming it the "Patriot Act." And now that they have shredded the likely greatest political document the has ever been penned, the "Constitution of the United States of America", the road lies open ahead. But then, what can you expect when Der Fuerer at one point refered to that magnificant document as a "Scrap of Paper" which stood in their way. That to me was worse than Herr Cheney's "So?"
True Patriotism to this old soul, is something that exists in the soul. It's not for public display. When it becomes that, it can all too easily be used as a Political Tool, which is what both the German Nazis and now the American Nazis are doing.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pmCheney makes my skin crawl. I think we should drop this condescending prick right in the middle of all the shooting and see if he says "so"!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:50 pmCHENEY ERES UN HIJO DE PUTA REDOMADO. ASESINO Y GENOCIDA. ME CAGO EN TU PUTA MADRE Y EN TUS MUERTOS EN NOMBRE DE LOS FAMILIARES DE LOS ESPAÑOLES MUERTOS EN IRAQ Y DE LOS IRAQUIES, ASI COMO DE LOS SOLDADOS AMERICANOS, ITALIANOS, INGLESES,, POLACOS, ETC.
JUNTO CON EL CLAN BUSH, RUNSFELD, PAUL WOLVOFITZ, EL MARICON DE AZNAR Y EL CABRON DE TONY BLAIR, HABEIS MASACRADO UN PUEBLO POR EL PUTO PETROLEO
Habeis hecho que el pueblo americano sea MAL VISTO EN EL MUNDO, CUANDO ES VUESTRA ADMINISTRACIÓN LA QUE HA CREADO
"EL IMPERIO DEL MAL"
March 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pmMETEROS EN LA PUTA CABEZA QUE NO ES NECESARIA LA GUERRA PARA COMERCIAR, ESTUDIAD A LOS FENICIOS COÑO.
Y ESTUDIAD OTROS IDIOMAS PARA QUE NO MATEIS IMPUNEMENTE A POBRES COMERCIANTES CUANDO OS VAN A VENDER ALIMENTOS.
Cheney’s attitude does not surprise me at all. This has been their attitude from the start. If I’m correct, we are 257 million Americans and well over two-thirds of Americans now realize the Bush administration was and is a mistake. Who is running this country? Why can’t he and his entire cabinet be pulled out of office by impeachment? No one should be above the Law. They’ve done enough to have charges brought against them. Or, is it the hand full of billionaires that is behind our Dictator “President”?
Most of what I wanted to say has been said here. However what someone wrote sums it up quite nicely. Comment # 195: radostsguy Says: March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm:
“To add insult to injury, the Gang just fooled the trained seals in to passing a bill through the American Supreme Soviet the virtually created the 5th Chief Office of Homeland Insecurity! Of course, it’s eay now, having passed the Tyranny Enabling Act, hidden by a successful plot of Propaganda by naming it the “Patriot Act.” And now that they have shredded the likely greatest political document the has ever been penned, the “Constitution of the United States of America”, the road lies open ahead. But then, what can you expect when Der Fuerer at one point referred to that magnificent document as a “Scrap of Paper” which stood in their way. That to me was worse than Herr Cheney’s “So?”
True Patriotism to this old soul, is something that exists in the soul. It’s not for public display. When it becomes that, it can all too easily be used as a Political Tool, which is what both the German Nazis and now the American Nazis are doing.”
March 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."
Justice Robert H Jackson, Chief American Prosecutor at Nuremburg War Crimes Trials. Justice of Supreme Court of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (weep) in his opening address.
I saw on one site that Justice Jackson's words are considered by historical scholars as among the finest words stated in the 20th Century. I don't think Dickhead's "So" will win as much respect in the 21st century somehow.
A little personal history. In 1965, I was a Lt in the Canadian Army, Tank Corps, and and my Squadron of Recce Troops were sent to Egypt to take part in the first ever UN Peacekeeping Force. Our job was to keep the Israelis, Egyptians, and the PLO from each other's throats. We had to do a lot of talking from time to time, but I'm really proud of the fact that I never once had to give the order, "Fire!"
Perhaps that's why I feel so sorry for the poor American GI's who are being killed, maimed, and driven nuts in the quest for OIL and Profit. And their families too, of course.
Did you know that Grandpa Bush was a principle in four American Corporations that were shut down by the US Dept of Justice in 1942, when American boys were already dying in North Africa? The charge? Trading with the Enemy. (Odd that he wasn't charged with High Treason, but then, he was rich.) So the Bush Family Fortune is built on Nazi Gold. At least Bush comes by his Political Philosophy honestly!
Odd too that it was Dickhead "in command" of the White House while the "World's Best Air Defence System" somehow forgot the word "Scramble" on a fine September morning a while back. Oh well, at least it gave the regime the excuse they were hoping for to attack Taliban for not letting the US build an OIL pipeline through Afghanistan, so that wasn't all bad. It was a little mean though, since Taliban had warned them about the coming attack on America. International Media Conference, 28 July 2001 in Lahore Pakistan. Taliban Foreign Minister, "The coming attack on America will be on the homeland. Aircraft will be used, and thousands of Americans might die." I saw this on TV, and he looked really concerned. The whole "caught by surprise" story was just more BS! Besides, it's the job of the Air Defence System to deal with getting caught by surprise. During the Cold War, did they think that if the USSR were to plan a nuclear attack on America, Moscow would send them a timetable?
Cheney's "So" is just a tiny star in a vast galaxy of lies and deceptions. A recent poll in Germany indicated that now 40% of Germans think that 9-11 was an Inside Job. Most others think that they knew it was coming and let it happen. And Germany is a NATO Ally.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:15 pmANAXIMANDRO #197 ESTOY 100% CONTIGO! NUNCA MEJOR DICHO
March 25th, 2008 at 10:01 pmI´M 100% WITH YOU, NEVER BETTER SAID.
I never thought the day would come when I would hang my head and weep for this country. Has this administration hypnotized all decent folk?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:04 pmThree main reasons for collapse of USSR, according to historians:
1. Unwinnable foreign war that broke the national treasury.
2. Massive internal corruption.
3. A pissed off population, sick of the lies and propaganda.
Deja vu?
1979. USSR intervenes in Afghanistani Civil War. Moscow promises "Quick Victory." Combined strength of Soviet Army Afghanistan and allies Northern alliance, aka at the time, the Communist Government of Afghanistan, field a total of 300,000 troops on the ground. Moscow claims Pashtun Fighters known as "Mujhahedin" are Terrorists. West calls them "Hero Freedom Fighters." (Civil war was between Northern Alliance and Pashtun Tribe. Still is.)
1980. CIA sets up Terrorist Training School near Lahore, Pakistan, and creates Terrorist Organisation called "The Goal" or, in Arabic "Al Qaida." The idea was to have Al Qaida put in Terrorist Attacks on Soviet Homeland, and within Afghanistan herself. In addition, CIA recruited "Assets", one being a minor Pashtun Khan by the name of Hamid Karzai. Also, Washington, the Saudi Royals, and the powerful bin Laden family recruit Saudis to go to Afghanistan to help with the war against the Soviets. The bin Ladens decide to send one of their own sons, named Osama, to Afghanistan. Osama, being brilliant, soon works his way up to Commander of a Mujhahedin Unit, a feat unto itself.
1981. Osama is recruited by the School, and being so smart, was the Star Student in 1982's class, and thus is offered command of Al Qaida. He accepted. And since his family was so close to the Americans, he became America's Golden Haired Boy during the War, working more closely with them than any other Mujhahedin Commander. But the clever Osama had to think about three things:
1. The USSR had excellent internal security, and his chances of highjacking a Soviet Aircraft and flying it into a building somewhere were remote at best.
2. Terrorism is not a good Military Strategy, to be used only as a last option, and if there is a better Strategy, use that.
3. He was being very successful as a Mujhahedin Commander. In fact, even though he was wounded 6 times, refused to quit, and came back for more.
As a result, he didn't make much use of Al Qaida during the war. Nevertheless, Al Qaida, being one of America's Terrorist Organisations, continued to work with CIA all through the 80's and the 90's, putting in many Terrorist Attacks against America's "enemies of the week" mostly in the Middle East.
"Back to the USSR"
The Soviets occupied the whold of Afghanistan in 4 days (It took the Americans 19 days to occupy tiny Iraq.) At first, it was easy, but slowly resistance was building as the Pashtun streamed to join Mujhahedin Units. Several Soviet Commanders wrote in their journals, "The more of them we killed, the more there were!" Soviet units didn't keep any Prisoners of War, however. They were handed over to the Afghanistani Army, and taken to camps run by "Xad", the Communist Secret Police, to be tortured. The KGB was told to "improve" Xad's expertise in Torture, and did so in 1981 and 2. Slowly the Soviet and Northern Alliance Forces lost control of the countryside to the fierce Pashtun warriors, and soon held only the cities and larger towns, and could at best keep their own supply lines open. (The Pashtun have held their hunk of land for 3000 years, and have never been defeated! Even the great Genghis Khan decided to cut a deal rather than send his superb army against them.) Finally, in 1988, the Supreme Soviet smelled the coffee, and brought the boys home to their mamas.
Meanwhile, the Afghanistanis figured that their pals the Americans would come on the heels of the departing Soviets, turf out the Communist Government, maintain Law and Order, help them create a decent government, and then bring the bulldozers and construction cranes and help them rebuild their shattered country. How disappointed they must have been. However, in 1993, a group of Pashtun lads called the Taliban, although they were a little on the radical side, did just that, except the construction cranes, and drove the Communists back to the very northern part of Afghanistan. But the former found a beautiful defensive position, and the Communist-Pashtun War basically ground to a halt for a year and a half. Taliban hated the Opium Trade, however, and managed to reduce Afghanistan's contribution to the World Opium Market to about 10%. Thus they became America's Allies in the now-forgotten War on Drugs. But after they wouldn't let the Americans build the Oil Pipeline through Afgahnistan, America, true to form, turned on them, and decided to punish them. So, after the highly convenient 9-11, they intervened in the war on the side of the Communists (!) and threw Taliban out of their position up north. But, knowing nothing about how to fight Taliban on the ground, they got the Russians to plan the actual attack on the ground.
Two weeks later, the Communists stormed Kabul and brought that city under their iron fist, excluding Appointed Puppet Hamid's palace, and the American Quarters. Taliban Command then decided to break up the battalion and brigade sized units they had, whiich, with no air defences, were an easy target for American Aircraft, into small Guerilla Units, which was done with amazing despatch, while Taliban Command managed to maintain Command and Control.
Once they had Kabul in their grip, the Communists reactivated Xad, and offered Xad's services to the Americans to torture America's Prisoners of War, just as they had during the Soviet Phase. The offer was accepted. Then the Communists decided to stop fighting and rebuild their forces while NATO does their fighting for them. I wonder how much Washington pays Xad to do that?
Karzai, piece of shit though he may be, is smart enough to know that the Communists are Afghanistan's biggest threat, and has suggested negotiating with Taliban. But Bush has branded Taliban "Terrorist", which they aren't, so ignores Karzai. What could Karzai know about Afghanistan and her people, now really! (I'll bet the Russkies are calling Taliban "Hero Freedom Fighters!")
First Law of Geo-politics: Sleeping with the devil ALWAYS works really well.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 amTo some extent I’m at odds trying to understand how so many folk seemingly are surprised that we now find ourselves in such a dire predicament. What did you expect? From the word go I could not believe how America literally turned a blind eye to the obvious foul play in the 2000 Florida election that all but handed the Presidency to G.W. Bush. To this day I still find it astonishing that in parliamentary proceedings after the election fiasco, Al Gore, the man robbed of the Presidency, one by one nonchalantly turned away disgruntled Floridians voters WHO WERE BEMOANING THE FACT THEY’D WANTED TO VOTE FOR HIM BUT WERE UNABLE TO! Casting aside these shenanigans I wonder what Watergate was all about? Here after all, spying or not, Nixon had the 72 election as a lay-down slam dunk! Yet for these crimes men who’d taken orders went on to serve time and Nixon was albeit belatedly impeached and rightfully so. So at a time when ‘so’ has been elevated to such hallowed status I ask ‘so how come Bush and his cronies haven’t so much as tasted a mouthful of porridge for rigging an election?
So I say don’t be surprised just because this heathen says ‘so.’ The consequences of ignoring or allowing crooks to get away with downright skulduggery is now there for all to see. When one examines the current debacle in Iraq the mind boggles. We were told this was ‘to rid Iraq of Saddam and to establish democracy’ Whilst well in excess of 500,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives, the country’s infrastructure, far from being rebuilt, is actually crumbling further by the day. Where the oil revenue is going is a moot point? Cheney and his pals at Haliburton probably have a fair idea! Billions are being ripped off and 9/11 was the catalyst. This one event is the reason why America invaded Iraq. I’ve always felt I was capable of reading between the lines but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that the present Administration in the Whitehouse could be every bit as bad as the Nazis! So instead of thinking too much about ’so’, none of this may have happened, invasions and all, had everyone paid more attention to what actually occurred on 9/11.
THE MYSTERIES SURROUNDING 9/11.
1). If a plane is hijacked two fighter jets are immediately scrambled. This is mainly to guard against a plane being used as a missile ie into the Whitehouse or Pentagon.
On the fateful day extensive ‘military exercises’ were taking place. Bizarrely these exercises involved hijacked planes. So as they took place, when the real hijacks were being reported nothing was done. Everyone thought it was all part of the exercise. Strange too how on that day ALL fighter jets were utilised. The Whitehouse and Pentagon had no cover. How could this be? This would NEVER be allowed to happen if ‘real’ exercises were taking place.
If the Pentagon was attacked legitimately in this way don’t you think all hell should have broke loose to find out why not ONE fighter plane was available to intercept the hijacked plane. Surely heads would roll! There was no inquiry!
2). A few weeks before 9/11 Larry Silverstein the owner of the Twin Towers just happened to take out a $2½ billion insurance policy on the buildings specifically including a clause for a terrorist attack. He was paid out in full! Oh but guess who was on the board of insurers - none other the President’s brother!
If Silverstein had prior knowledge this would go some way to explaining why many Jewish folk mysteriously failed to go in to work that day. Still quite why the insurance company and anyone else for that matter didn’t deem it necessary for Silverstein to at least sit a lie-detector test. It was a bit of a coincidence after all. In any case if he was innocent he would immediately agree to sit the test wouldn’t he? I wonder though how many eye-brows would be raised if he refused? There was no inquiry!
3). Since the Towers had previously been attacked in a major bombing incident security remained high on the agenda. Sniffer-dogs were utilised on a daily basis. Mysteriously one week before 9/11 the sniffer-dogs were no longer required.
4). 3 days before 9/11 trading officers reported an unusual rise in the trading of ‘Put Options’ for a particular company. (Puts are contracts where in effect you are betting the shares of a company will go down). In fact there was a massive 4 fold increase in trading - the company - American Airlines!
2 days before there was a 6 fold increase in trading - the day before a stunning 11 fold increase …………the next day shares of American Airlines plummeted.
Quite how there was no inquiry into this matter alone is disturbing to say the least! Think - you’re the president - your people have been massacred like this - wouldn’t you demand the FBI to at least interview all those who had profited so lavishly on these share options, that they sit lie-detector tests to see if anyone had advanced knowledge. Would this be too much to ask? I mean there is no greater smoking gun than the trail of money……. NOTHING! No inquiry! No investigations! How can this possibly be? Oh and by the way - everyone got paid out!
5). Much controversy surrounds the reason why both towers collapsed. The official view cited the intense heat which supposedly caused the structure to become unstable. Well if this is so the South Tower was the FIRST BUILDING IN HISTORY to collapse due to fire! Again just think - how many buildings have had fires that have blazed out of control? We’ve all seen many. Yet do we ever see the main structure collapsing? NEVER! Buildings can be totally gutted but the shell remains.
For instance in 1945 in thick fog a B52 bomber smashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State building. There were 14 fatalities but 60 years later the building remains perfectly intact. In 1975 a fire broke out between the 9th and 14th floors of the North Tower. In 1988 a 62 storey skyscraper in Los Angeles had a fire that raged for 3 hours through 4 floors. In 1991 a 38 storey building in Philadelphia burned for 19 hours. None of these buildings collapsed! Firemen tackling the blaze inside the towers were reporting they had fires under control. (Taped radio evidence abounds). Significantly FIREMEN MORE THAN ANYONE KNOW IF A BUILDING IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE!
6). Much controversy surrounds the way both towers collapsed. How many of us know anything about this? How many of us have ever seen a building collapse? However a certain group of people know everything there is to know because ITS THEIR JOB. Demolition experts are highly skilled at what they do and their view was unanimous - the ONLY way the Twin Towers could collapse in the way they did was through an elaborate system of controlled explosions. Some experts said of their surprise just to see the towers collapse; others went further stating categorically that the towers were DELIBERATELY brought down. No question!
The Janitor in one of the towers said bombs were going off. People escaping said the same. Firemen said of their surprise to see all the windows in the lower levels of the towers being blown out. They too said bombs were going off all over the place. In the brilliant documentary LOOSE CHANGE one can see several bomb flashes going off as the buildings collapsed. Now we know why the sniffer-dogs were removed.
Finally photos taken of the collapsed rubble clearly indicated that in certain areas of the main structural beams the metal remained molten. Why was this so? Immediately demolition experts explained why - this is how they collapse buildings - they attach devices to the main structural beams to make them weak.
In the aftermath it was considered evidence from demolition experts, firemen, the Janitor and any photos taken apparently weren’t all that important. Really now!!
7). Approximately $750 million in gold bullion was stored in underground vaults In the Twin Towers. Needless to say there was no trace of gold after the attacks. The excuse given would become a recurring theme - vaporised - the gold that is.
Of course this is nigh on impossible. The ONLY way there could be no trace is if it was not there in the first place. Cataclysmic the disaster may have been but the energy released in the collapse of these buildings is nowhere near enough to vaporise even one ingot of gold let alone tons of it! Consider too while all this gold was vaporised how so conveniently a passport of a hijacker was discovered perfectly intact.
8). It was discovered that the said hijacker received $100,000 from a high-ranking Pakistani official. True to form - it was decreed this was NOT IMPORTANT EVIDENCE AND DID NOT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP! Really now!!
9). In all disasters, most especially those with planes, investigators are sent to the scene. It is unprecedented for this not to happen. Here was one of the biggest disasters ever to befall America - not only was there no detailed examination of the rubble but it was deemed all of it should be removed immediately and be recycled! Why the rush?
By now if you’re not swayed, annoyed or at least confused by some of the points I’ve raised then really there’s no point in reading any further, not that it would surprise me in the slightest if several people thought I was crazy suggesting such monstrosities but the painful truth is the very reason this plan was hatched and indeed carried through is because the perpetrators were in no doubt about one thing……. the vast majority of their citizens would believe the official view. This is made all the more easier when a heinous act shatters the widely-held belief of most Americans that they were safe. For days the shock of it all naturally remains etched in peoples minds, far-be-it for anyone to say “hold the phone. There are loads of questions that need answering. Why’s all the evidence being taken from the scene and being destroyed” because no one wants to hear that. Most people are so consumed by anger and shock the only thing they want to know is who to point the finger at!
Of course Bush and his gang of cronies were well prepared. Whilst most Americans felt retribution was the by-word, the rest of the world naturally remained anxious over the possibility of a knee-jerk reaction. The crisis though was handled with surprising coolness. Sure enough like fish in a trance the public were well and truly reeled in, in fact to such an extent the floundering ratings of the President underwent an abrupt u-turn. Bush seemed to have found his niche yet from the very start this man’s credibility was in question. To all intents and purposes he was a non-achiever who’d done little if anything to deserve the presidency; many sincerely felt he was not adequately capable of handling such a job. And so it most definitely seemed as time and again Bush fluffed his lines. Often he appeared hopelessly out of place; at times it was laughable! He was fast-becoming a major embarrassment.
Suddenly, almost magically the buffoonery had all but disappeared! Decisiveness oozed from every orifice! Bush seemingly was on the ball but importantly Americans were now feeling somewhat reassured with their President’s new-found self-belief. I thought nothing of it. Bush’s sudden metamorphism was understandable. In times of crisis leaders tend to enjoy a surge in popularity. Previously he’d shown he was mere cannon-fodder as opponents had little difficulty in making him look decidedly un-presidential. The normal day-to-day wrangling of politics was anything but his strong point as the polls clearly indicated. But the agenda had changed dramatically. What could matter more than the security of America and its citizens? Bush could concentrate on waffling on how America would hunt down terrorists, how he would not rest until they were brought to justice etc. Of course this is what most people wanted to hear. Significantly Bush was safe in the knowledge that not only was Congress finally off his back but in one fail swoop his detractors had inadvertently been silenced. Criticising the administration at times like these was hardly protocol. Fools construe this as being anti-American!
Then as evidence began to point towards an inside job an interesting thought dawned upon me. I wondered how Bush would have reacted if he was actually confronted by a true, unexpected crisis? It was rather strange because I rapidly came to the conclusion this man would be completely out of his depth, unable to call the shots because quite simply he wouldn’t know where to start. Relying on others for guidance though, notably Cheney and Rumsfeld, would be nothing new. If ever there was a President who was little more than a figure-head here was it! There is no doubt in my mind in a real crisis Bush would remain his bumbling self, always looking decidedly uncomfortable whenever confronted by Congress or the mass-media because answers would not be so readily available.
So why did Bush seemingly discover this new-found confidence? This is because 9/11 WAS A SET-UP JOB! Bush literally didn’t have to think about what he was going to do or say because it had already been worked out! As soon as they got wind of the plot to fly two planes into the Twin Towers an elaborate plan was put into motion. They KNEW who to blame - Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist group Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan for harbouring him. They KNEW what strategy to pursue not because it was the right thing to do but because its what they WANTED to do! After dealing with the Taliban attention would swiftly shift to their chief goal which was to establish a base in the Middle East. The US administration would accuse Saddam Hussein of sponsoring state terrorism and of stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. A major controlling stake in petroleum speaks for itself but there would be the added incentive of the Pentagon being able to keep a watchful eye on Iran.
Consider too how the attention was switched to Saddam Hussein. Does anyone seriously believe the international community would have permitted the Iraqi leader to have anything resembling a fire-cracker after Desert Storm? Weapons inspectors had carte blanch. These weren’t just peace terms, this was an ultimatum. Whatever Saddam had in terms of missiles, poisonous gases and factories manufacturing gases, were all systematically destroyed. There were no weapons of mass destruction. In fact were there ever any WMD’s? Whilst Saddam’s army capitulated with the minimum of fuss in Desert Storm the main worry were his Scud missiles but these were hardly WMD’s. Small wonder Britain’s chief weapons inspector Dr. Kelly scoffed at such a suggestion to Times reporter Andrew Milligan. However Blair and his side-kick Alistair Campbell had already staked whatever reputation they had by stating categorically this was the reason why Iraq had to be invaded. After busily ‘sexing-up’ documents to make it seem Saddam could have WMD’s, untold pressure was applied on Gilligan to reveal his source. Gilligan should have fallen on his sword but he succumbed. Kelly was then unceremoniously grilled by a ‘bent’ parliamentary committee. Days later he was found dead in a field! The official line declared he’d been depressed and had taken his own life. Now if there was one man Saddam would have loved to have got rid of, high on the list would have been Kelly yet time and again he was prepared to go to Iraq and methodically carry out his dangerous job so I ask - does this really sound like a man who’d take his own life?
What’s more there was absolutely no connection with Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The truth is Bin Laden actually despised the Iraqi leader but on the basis of fighting terrorism the USA along with Britain deemed it necessary to invade. You may ask if America’s intention all along was to establish a base in the Middle East then why didn’t they do so a decade earlier. The opportunity was there. The answer is simple - in Desert Storm they had way too many partners. Virtually every country in the world had condemned Saddam invasion of Kuwait. Though the United States provided the bulk of the firepower several countries committed troops to help oust him. The operation was wholly an international affair. However this time around America had only one major ally - Britain. The rest of the world notably France and Germany remained unequivocal. They expressed grave misgivings at the flimsy reasons for invading Iraq.
I have no axe to grind with anybody, most certainly not with America and its citizens. In fact I believe the USA is by far the best country in the world to live in. I say this not just because I love all their sports and value the way they are run but I believe its people are friendly, welcoming and above all the vast majority appreciate having good, wholesome fun. It most definitely is the land of opportunity. However I feel America’s heart and soul have been hi-jacked by this administration. It angers me so how these people could even think about doing this but to get away with it! Most annoying is though evidence manifestly points to an inside job, most people have been duped. America really is under attack! The word terror constantly, repeatedly being drummed into the public. All we hear is this so-called war on terror.
In the same breath I find it pitiful how these callous murderers say they are desperate to protect the freedom of US citizens when in reality all they are doing is taking freedom away. Bad enough the glaring inconsistencies surrounding 9/11 are blatantly ignored but the events allow new terror laws to rapidly be ushered in, laws that smack in the face of those who may have felt they had democratic rights. Undesirables, whistle-blowers, any would-be makers of waves now can be easily apprehended without charge, without representation and all that’s needed is any Tom, Dick or Harry to say they believe they could be holding a potential terrorist. The few brave enough to speak out are either ridiculed or branded Anti-American or as in the case of the genial news presenter Dan Rather, swiftly rendered unemployed.
What shocks me more than anything though is how it was deemed the attack on the Twin Towers WOULDN’T SUFFICE! You see they had to make everyone feel America was being attacked from all sides! What better than an attack on the Pentagon or another plane that supposedly could have been on its way to the Whitehouse? Make it seem like democracy itself was under attack! I believe there was good reason for this: Had the Twin Towers been the sole target I’m pretty sure considerably more attention would have been focused as to why this happened and how the Whitehouse could have known nothing of the attacks. Also this may have led to other questions being asked ie some of the points I raised earlier. Who knows what could have happened if the ball started rolling. No! They had to make it look real good!
THE ‘ATTACK’ ON THE PENTAGON.
1). Of course, no aircraft, hi-jacked or not, would ever be allowed to come within reach of the Pentagon or the Whitehouse because the air-space above these buildings is PROTECTED. Fighter planes would be up there like a shot!
2). Firemen KNOW if its too dangerous to go into burning buildings; demolition experts KNOW if a building is downed intentionally; PILOTS KNOW IT’S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to fly a large passenger jet into the side of the Pentagon. This building may be the largest in the world in terms of floor capacity but it consists of just five stories. Since the damage confirmed a side-on impact, a plane would had to have approached quite literally as if it were coming in to land. Such a manoeuvre though is rendered futile because lying directly in the approach is interstate highway 395. There is little chance any aircraft let alone a Boeing 757 could ever dodge all the motorway pylons.
Not to forget a small detail: apparently the alleged terrorist pilot was hardly proficient when it came to flying a small two-seater!
No wreckage when wreckage should be strewn all over the place. The official view stating the entire plane was vaporised is quite simply ludicrous. Planes have crashed at full speed into mountains, into the sea and into the ground and in nearly every case the black box and the engines are found. In some cases virtually the entire plane could be rebuilt. Furthermore engines are made of Titanium steel which is incredibly tough and durable. Titanium steel burns at 2000 degrees; aviation fuel burns at 1500 degrees. Vaporised indeed! No bodies, no seats, no black box, no engines, not so much as a scratch on the grass and of course no inquiry!
3). Eye-witnesses said a ‘plane’ hit the pentagon but many were unsure as to whether it was a passenger jet. Radar data confirmed only an unidentified military aircraft in air-space at the time. The truth is no one’s ever seen footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon. How is it possible everyone clearly sees planes careering into the Twin Towers yet in the footage offered to the public of an ‘alleged’ plane crashing into the Pentagon THERE WAS NO SIGN OF A PLANE!
And how come nobody says anything? This is not rocket science! The Towers stood almost one Kilometre tall; no problem for a plane colliding at full speed; no problem for us seeing the planes do so! With the Pentagon if one takes into account the angle of attack, aside from the obvious difficulties, even if a plane had a clear run, (which it didn’t) if anything it would have to have approached at a reduced speed…………. YET WE SEE NO PLANE!
Incidentally no building in the world has more surveillance cameras surrounding it than the Pentagon. However someone deemed it necessary for the FBI to be there, at the ready, to remove all footage. Does it not seem rather weird that someone even thought this had to be done? Why? Surely if there were a genuine accident or a terrorist strike at the Pentagon the swift gathering of all CC footage would be the last thing on anyone’s mind? Moreover if such a situation arose everyone would get to see the footage wouldn‘t they?
How could invaluable evidence be withheld from the public? WHY SHOULD IT BE WITHHELD? There can be only one reason: had anyone got hold of the CC footage the whole sordid plot would have speedily unravelled.
4). CC footage or not quite frankly I’m astonished so many folk accepted the official line! Aside from plain logic and what is patently obvious, photographs of the immediate aftermath displayed what was damning evidence. Photographs of government ‘employees’ gathering up pieces of aircraft. One had as many as 8 men carrying away a large section of fuselage. Mysteriously it had been covered over by a large sheet of opaque tarpaulin. (Handy to keep that stuff around. I mean you never know when a plane is going to smash into the Pentagon and evidence of it has to be covered up!) But then wasn’t the entire plane vaporised?
Q.1. WHY THE RUSH TO REMOVE EVERYTHING? Q.2. WHERE ON EARTH WERE THE AIR-CRASH INVESTIGATORS? Q.3. COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT ’VAPORISED’ MEANS?
Another photo revealed a piece from a turbo engine. Experts did not take long in identifying it as part of a JT8D turbo-jet. The ONLY aircraft in service that utilised this engine was the US air-force jet A-3 Sky Warrior. More to the point, since this item bore no resemblance to any part of a Boeing 757 jet engine what the hell was it doing there?
Photos show a hole in the side of the Pentagon. If you superimpose an American Airlines jet placing the main fuselage at the centre of the hole, the wings and notably the engines should have caused considerable damage too yet many of the building’s windows on both sides of the hole remained intact!
5). The final piece of the puzzle fell into place when the documentary ‘Loose Change’ uncovered a crucial detail - apparently there were TWO explosions! Several Pentagon employees that day openly spoke of a 2nd massive blast. The following day though eager reporters and journalists were left dumbfounded - much to their surprise the same employees were remaining mysteriously tight-lipped!
6). So what actually happened? I believe it went like this: A remote controlled A-3 Sky Warrior jet was rammed into the side of the Pentagon. Radar data and debris point to this. However this or in fact any aircraft could not have been responsible for the damage at the Pentagon. The aircraft was closely followed by a Tomahawk Cruise Missile. This would explain why damage at the Pentagon is largely confined to one area, all the hallmarks of a Cruise Missile, altogether differing with what we see at the Towers where devastation is rife. In the Pentagon footage there is a sudden flash of white light. Once again this is in direct contrast to what we see at the Towers where upon impact, due to the plane’s heavy load of Kerosene fuel, giant plumes of red flames billow out. There’s no sudden flash of white light!
This scenario not only sits well with the evidence but it also sheds clear light on the inexplicable actions of the government: Why CC footage was immediately removed and hidden from public gaze; why agents were there in the first place; why wreckage was secretively removed and destroyed; why employees were told not to speak to the press! Moreover this explains why no plane is seen in the CC footage and why employees initially stated there were two explosions. Vaporised indeed!
6). If one arrives at the conclusion that no passenger plane hit the Pentagon then one is suddenly confronted by another altogether sinister question! What happened to the passengers and crew of American Airlines flight 77? If they didn’t die in Arlington, West Virginia………. just when you think this whole sordid affair could get no worse!
Of course no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon and since all the passengers and crew were on flight 77 and are now deceased there can be only one possible explanation - THEY WERE COLD-BLOODEDLY MURDERED! NOT BY TERRORISTS THOUGH! NO! THEIR KILLERS ARE FAR MORE EVIL THAN ANY TERRORIST COULD EVER BE! YOU SEE HOWEVER DELUDED A TERRORIST IS, HIS OR HER CAUSE RARELY INVOLVES ANY PERSONAL QUEST FOR FINANCIAL GAIN AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE ULTIMATE PRICE IS PAID!
When the Twin Towers were under attack all airplanes in American air-space were ordered to land. Whether flight 77 was ear-marked for a specific purpose or just simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (in close proximity to a ‘special government base’) may never be known. What is certain is if these people didn’t die in a plane crash then they would have had to have been eliminated! Any trace of them and anything concerning flight 77 eradicated forever. Perhaps now you may understand why I likened those in control at the Whitehouse to the Nazis!
Ignorance. Fear. Apathy! The tools that play into the hand of those in the upper echelons of power. Ignorance to an extent is understandable. I’ve long since felt it’s never been in the interests of powerbrokers and lawmakers to educate ‘too many’ people. The proof is in the pudding - there’s no escaping the fact all too few of us benefit from having a decent education. Fear certainly plays its part. For some time now it’s been engineered as a weapon to control ordinary folk. This too is understandable. However what I find so sickening is how so many of us simply can’t be bothered. We don’t care! Of course we always say we do but the plain truth is unless we’re affected directly we don’t really give a damn. I often wonder of the relatives, especially those of flight 77 and flight 93. Surely many of them feel something is badly awry?
For the conspirators though the foundations are set. The highly lucrative arms industry once again has defence contractors rubbing their hands with glee. The quest to make the world more ‘unsafe’ now complete, the far easier task of maintaining uncertainty, albeit cynically stage-managed, clears the way for the greatest money-making industry of them all - armourments! What a sad indictment not just of America but of the entire human race! And what of the words so proudly we stand, for the land of the free and the home of the brave? To have come to this - the US government wiping out so many of its own people; blaming others for the heinous crime; then waging war in a country of good-meaning people. Iraq’s only problem was having an evil, despotic ruler which incidentally the West helped install! Along with the horrendous number of civilian deaths thousands of brave soldiers have lost their lives, the tale of how they died fighting ‘terror’ repeated over and over again. The sad truth is their sacrifice was for no such cause. They died for but one reason - MONEY!
SHANKSVILLE AND THE REST.
1). Flight 93: This was the plane that supposedly was on it’s way to the Whitehouse. This was the plane where have-a-go heroes tried to re-capture their hi-jacked aircraft. This was the plane which crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Well I’m afraid to say on all 3 counts this most definitely was NOT the case!
One only has to look at the crash site - once again no sign a passenger plane ever hit the ground - no significant pieces of the aircraft, no black-box, no engines, no seats, no pieces of luggage, not a drop of blood. Just to give an idea of how ridiculous this is, in the history of aviation there has NEVER been a case where some or indeed not all of these things are found in the aftermath of an air-crash! Experts have scoffed at the very notion a passenger plane could have crashed at Shanksville.
So what really happened? There were unconfirmed sightings that both Flight 77 and Flight 93 actually landed at Cleveland airport. Since all the indications suggest Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon and Flight 93 did not crash in a field in Shanksville obviously these planes would have had to have landed somewhere? What makes these reports rather interesting is that soon after the Towers were hit an unusual order was given - one particular airport had to be evacuated immediately. No prizes for guessing which airport - HOPKINS AIRPORT, CLEVELAND!
I say unusual because the reason given for the sudden evacuation was apparently because a hi-jacked plane was on its way to the airport. Well in the past several hi-jacked planes have landed at airports but never in any incident was a major airport totally shut down and in every case reporters and cameramen were allowed on the scene! And when I say evacuated I mean precisely that - every soul ordered away……… oh that is except the government agents that were there!
2). A few hours after the Twin Towers collapsed World Trade Centre 7, a 47 storey building some 300 feet away mysteriously collapsed. The official explanation was that falling debris from the Towers ignited fuel tanks in Trade Centre 7. If this was so this building would become only the 3rd in history to collapse due to fire - the first two being the Twin Towers!!
Quite strange don’t you think how all the buildings surrounding the Twin Towers remained perfectly intact but then World Trade Centre 7 did house 3-4000 Securities & Exchange Commission files involving major Wall Street investigations. One such case was none other than the scandal at Enron which incidentally happened to have rather serious implications for the President and his family. Funny too how Enron’s chief was suddenly found dead - heart attack apparently!!
3). If you believe this whole affair was instigated by the Whitehouse a certain piece of the puzzle has to fit! You see if this was planned then the conspirators would have paid a great deal of attention in the quest to ensure the general public were immediately brain-washed or at least perhaps swayed into believing what in effect would be the government line. For this key eye-witnesses need to be ‘planted’ on the scene. These people would seek out news cameras and be interviewed. The tell-tale signs are that they not only ‘know’ things most experts don’t know but while most people are consumed by shock they remain relatively cool.
True to form one chap was explaining how he ‘witnessed’ the planes going into the Towers and how they collapsed due to the intense heat. Strange! Here was a guy that was never inside either of the buildings but somehow ‘knew’ the reason why they collapsed. Of course this happened to be the government view! Bear in mind too how so many of the people escaping the buildings were repeatedly stating bombs were going off all over the place, yet the view of this liar was being aired on national TV.
Even more interesting was how a ‘so-called expert’ happened to be at the CBS news office on the fateful morning. Dan Rather actually smelt a rat as he questioned Jerome Hauer’s assessment of how the Towers came down. Hauer evaluation was that the sheer force of the planes hitting the buildings and the intense heat caused structural failure. Rather retorted it seemed like the buildings were brought down thorough controlled explosions as if the buildings were simply being demolished!
When challenged though Hauer would skilfully change the subject, not only talking about the bravery of the rescue workers, firemen, police etc. but he also seemed to know who to start pointing the finger at. One of the first to mention Osama Bin Ladin was Hauer himself. This man certainly ‘knew’ a lot! Of course before long it was established this so-called expert who out of the blue so conveniently appeared on the scene was actually a Bush insider. What a surprise! Here was a plant sticking out like a sore thumb! Instead Dan Rather loses his job because he dared to ask obvious questions. The complete set of 9/11 myths were successfully laid down just a few hours after the attacks.
4). Air-traffic controllers from the Washington, DC sector originally said the incoming plane was a military jet according to reports but no grand jury has called them to testify and they have been strangely gagged from speaking out.
One air traffic controller from another Northeast sector revealed to a 9/11 widow that FBI threats were made of both a personal and career nature:-
"YOU ARE ORDERED NEVER TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW ON YOUR SCREEN DURING THE ATTACKS; AND IF YOU DO, THINGS WILL NOT GO WELL FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY."
5). Finally these 5 names:-
Stanley Hall -- Director of Electronic warfare program management.
Peter Gay -- Vice President of Electronic Systems.
Kenneth Waldie -- Senior Quality Control Engineer for Electronic Systems.
David Kovalcin -- Senior Mechanical Engineer for Electronic Systems.
Herbert Homer -- Corporate Executive working with the Department of Defence.
These men had two things in common. Firstly all were key executives of RAYTHEON, a company which specialises in Global Hawk remote control UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) systems. Secondly they’re all dead! This fact perhaps wouldn‘t raise too many eye-brows but what if I told you THEY ALL DIED ON THE SAME DAY? And guess what day? Yes, 9/11. Now how about that!
But here’s the real beauty - several months before 9/11 the government awarded Raytheon with what seemed a rather unusual contract - to re-fit and modify a military jet. Such was the secrecy the jet was flown in under cover of darkness. Oh and by the way, the military aircraft just happened to be an A-3 Sky Warrior jet!
Two employees who asked not to be identified for very obvious reasons revealed to independent Presidential candidate Karl Schwartz that the A-3 Sky Warrior jet was given a complete makeover - updated missiles, Raytheon’s Global Hawk UAV remote control systems, fire control systems, engines, transponders as well as radio radar navigation systems. All this for an old aircraft?
To say the whole thing stinks is a chronic understatement and to think no grand jury has yet probed the memos of these five men, their electronic messages, phone records, meeting calendars and testimony related to other related matters.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT. xxiii. Bring in the lie-detectors.
This is a crime so heinous everyone involved should be tried for treason. This can only happen if a committee of respected, squeaky clean individuals have all-encompassing powers so that they’re able to make a thorough investigation. They have to be protected; they have to be allowed to operate swiftly but most essentially they have to have the power to summon anyone to sit a lie-detector test and I mean ANYONE! The truth may be clear-cut but this is the ONLY way it can come out. In such a unique case any person suspected of having prior knowledge ie those who profited lavishly from share dealings and massive insurance claims, those involved in placing the many number of detonation charges in the Towers and Trade Centre 7, the foot soldiers, the government agents and most importantly the decision makers in the Whitehouse, have to be forced to take lie-detector tests. Think. Is this really too much to ask? I mean 9/11 was a big deal wasn’t it? In any case if you were innocent what have you to fear? If you happened to be wrongly accused of being a suspect a lie-detector test would prove your innocence.
I’m quite aware many will think this is all a bit much. This is part of the problem. How does one go about convincing people drastic measures are essential if one is to effectively deal with crimes of such a nature? The powerful instil fear; the wealthy bribe; the mass-media is controlled. The myth of freedom of speech! Oh how politicians, these the true manipulators drone forever about freedom! The powerful have the most efficient, professional liars, lawyers that is, at their disposal. They know only too well how to use ‘the letter of the law’ to make our justice system a time-consuming, pain-staking process. There is but one enemy for these people - lie-detector machines! I guarantee you if ever the possibility arose where there existed a concerted effort to incorporate them in the justice system, apart from those relying and profiting so handsomely, the greatest opposition paradoxically would come from the only people that have the power to usher them in - our elected representatives. The undeniable fact is not only do they scupper delaying tactics and skulduggery but they bring out the truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! It should be made absolutely clear too that anyone attempting to pervert the course of justice would face automatic life-imprisonment!
I beg you to think of the nature of the alleged crime. If proven this will be regarded as one of the most despicable crimes ever committed, right up there with the deeds of Hitler and Stalin. And don’t be too surprised I said that! I believe those directly involved in setting up 9/11 actually are MORE EVIL! You see Hitler and Stalin were totally and utterly insane! Not forgetting our present laws state the criminally insane cannot be held responsible for their actions but this is what can happen when those who’d appear more at home in a lunatic asylum seize power! Sure enough Hitler and Stalin were responsible for infinitely more deaths but murder is murder. What matters after that is motive and the simple fact is 9/11 is all about $s - billions of them!
Metal Mickey
March 26th, 2008 at 3:57 amto Leonor, sorry for not splein in english because i´not my mother lenguage.
Than you for your message, me gustaria conocerla, in my country is very dificult splein my thints over awarenes .
por lo menos alguien en USA lo ha entendido-
I´m much friends in USA, civilian and military,included family.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:39 amI´m honorific member of SPECIAL FORCE UNDERWATER OPERATIONS BY TRUMAN ANEX- KEY WEST- FLORIDA
I´think whit american people is a great people, but your actualy gobernors arent total risk for PEACE IN DE WORDL
TO MICHAEL MOORE,
March 26th, 2008 at 5:01 ammany thans for these oportunity to esplain in these syte my think over GLOBLAL RISK OF ACTUALY USA ADMINISTRATION FOR PEACE IN DE WORDL
Cheney Sucks, but then, who in Washington doesn't....literally and figuratively!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:29 am101. ClassWarrior Says: Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we need him?
Hello, ClassWarrior. Do you still believe that Lee Harvey Oswald really killed Kennedy in an isolated act and there was no conspiracy? And that the most important documents (never shown) were classified for reasons of "nazi-onal" security until the year 2035?
Unfortunately Americans have two good qualities, patriotic and naive, which have been used against you, so you cannot accept or believe you have had governments of the rich by the rich for the rich for a loooong time, with Presidents acting the role of President (an actor is the ideal President) while power is in a few lobbies. Eisenhower was perhaps the last honest President America has had in modern times, and warned you, but big $ was too powerful. The White House is only the sales department of you know who, or should know.
Kennedy perhaps tried to act independently and was reminded of the limited presidential role as puppet.
What is the percentage of media ownership by anyone group over which democracy is a joke? 51 %? 65 %? 80%? If a group controls 99 % of the country's media, that still qualifies for free press and democracy, right? The 1 % independent media is proof. Or alibi. When will you wake up for the necessary second American revolution, against what Chávez calls your elite? Good Luck. Americans deserve something better that what they have, but it will not come from heaven, you have to do it yourselves, on the streets, the only place you have left.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:37 pmThe sad thing about the entire Iraq tragedy is that corrupt
March 26th, 2008 at 7:48 pma holes like Bush, Cheney, etc. will leave office and go their
merry way while tens of thoousands of young, patriotic
Americans they took advantage of, will be left dead or
with their lives permanently shattered.
impeachment for all the bush admin...what has the country gotten into? we sure don't have much to choose from next time either..
March 26th, 2008 at 8:35 pm204 ANAXIMANDRO: VIVO EN AMERICA (EN EL CONTINENTE AMERICANO) QUE PERTENECE A MUCHOS PAISES NO SOLO A USA, PERO SOY ARGENTINA (NIETA DE GALLEGOS)ME GUSTÓ MUCHISIMO LO QUE EXPUSISTE ANTERIORMENTE Y ME HA GUSTADO TU FORTALEZA PERSONAL.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:36 pmUN ABRAZO! HASTA SIEMPRE.
I´LL REPEAT THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN: WHY ON EARTH YOU HAVEN´T IMPEACH THIS PEOPLE AS YET!!! SO MANY LIVES WASTED IN VAIN... SO MUCH SORROW AND GRIEF! SO MANY FAMILIES WITH BROKEN HEARTS!!! WHEN ALL THIS IS GOING TO END???????????????
March 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pmMETAL MICKEY #203 GOOD ON YOU! THIS PLANET NEEDS MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU. THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 10:28 pmWhat has happened to "of the people, by the people, and for the people? These politicans need to remember we voted them in to serve us, not themselves!
March 26th, 2008 at 11:00 pmI wonder how long the war would last if their children had to go over there to get wounded and die.
Maybe the bushes will end the war when the oil prices are high enough for them to satisfy them so they will put their oil on the market.
Bush makes a good marionette. I wonder if chenney's mouth moves when he pulls the strings?
THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATIONS MENTALITY AND MR CHENEY HAS NEVER BEEN WITHIN REALITY!!!!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:32 amI THINK HE'S A WAR PROFITEER!!! NOT TO MENTION FUMBLING IDIOT HOW'S THAT FOR SOME PUBLIC OPINION!!!!!
Thank you LENOR for those very kind words.
METAL MICKEY
March 27th, 2008 at 11:04 amRe METAL MICKEY'S POST (No.203)
Wow - great post! Truly compelling reading and telling it how it really is...no punches pulled. Brilliant.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pmRe METAL MICKEY; WOW. What an amazing read. I am curious as to where you got all this info. Have you been doing your own sort of investigation/ research, or did it all come from one source. I for one believe every word you wrote. It's very frustrating. As you said, it's apathy, and ignorance. You are, however, more forgiving of this than I. I am so angry at my fellow Americans, it is hard to put into words. Americans are simply too comfy, and nothing will change, most likely, until they aren't any more. When one has no idea what the truth may be, and believes what their leaders feed them, that's one thing, but the amount of people who just DON'T WANT TO KNOW, blows my mind. I wonder how many people chose not to read your comment because it was too long. Anyway, I hope you are posting this EVERYWHERE, and I also hope that you are seriously watching your back. If you have a web site, I would love to be directed to it. I for one am interested in what you have to say.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:27 pmDebbie Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pmCheney if it weren't for Americans opinions and votes you wouldn't even be in office, so remember who fought and gave their lives for us all!
First of all - thank you GMF and heyro for the kind remarks. They were very much appreciated.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:18 pmTo heyro and others who wish to know more go to http://www.utube.com and type in 'loose change' which is a brilliant documentary. If you wish to delve further in the whole sordid affair type in keywords like Pentagon or 9/11.
Now heyro, perhaps you can tell me how to post my writings EVERYWHERE since I am relatively new to all this computer stuff. Unfortunately I do not have my own website but if I get one up and running I will let you know if you post your E-mail.
Thanks again
METAL MICKEY
Sorry I meant http://www.youtube.com - I told you I wasn't good at this computer stuff!
METAL MICKEY
March 27th, 2008 at 6:21 pmWhat about COMMUNISTS? - would I ask couple of fascists that always sneak in: johnsom (105) and CommanderHillary (134 and 143). These two are the American Shame. To both and to the rest: first, being a fascist and being an idiot are two different things. Bush is an idiot and his daddy's puppet, but not so Cheney. In the movies, for example, there are at least two masterpieces done at the service of fascism in the 90's and the significance of which has been hugely underestimated: "Independence Day" and "Air Force One". Interestingly - both movies of American hoorray nationalism were directed by native Germans - Roland Emmerich and Wolfgang Petersen. These two are anything but stupid, but put their brains at the service of the worst - no matter the nationality. Why the aliens from the "ID" scare so much? Because they personify the worst of HUMANS. Who arrives to a planet, dries it out of natural resources and then dumps it? Racists like CommanderHillary who having been to nowhere (obviously), knowing no other culture, no other language pretend to give lessons in History justifying fascism. "AF One" must be judged together with a fairy tale movie for children Petersen directed still in Europe - "The Never Ending Story". Children are taught to make their dreams come true, but later the dreams are identified with fighting terrorists the US Government and the establishment it serves fabricate. I entered myself about archetypic screenplay of a fairy tale - work of Russian literature investigator Vladimir Propp. Having studied hundreds of fairy tales, mostly European, he discovered 31 common steps in each. So I sit down to watch "The Never Ending Story" with the full list of the 31 steps and a clock in my hand - IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE!!! The movie consists of two stories, 31 step each, one within another, getting crossed at common points of each story, 3 MINUTES A STEP, 1 MINUTE FOR ITS BEGINNING, 1 FOR DEVELOPMENT, 1 FOR THE FINISH WITH A LEAD FOR THE NEXT ONE! CHILDREN'S BRAINS ARE PROGRAMMED AS IF THEY WERE COMPUTERS!!! And what is the purpose? Demographic control. If there are too many children in different countries, then a war must be fabricated so they would kill each other once they become young adults. Charles Wright Mills (read my post 172) was criticized for being one of the greatest supporters to the idea of conspiracy theory in American (sane) thinking. I wonder what would he have written about this kind of movies.
March 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pmThe key to change is to understand that social change means a Revolution. Lose fear to this word. Talk and write about it. They in the former Soviet Union didn't understand a word of what Marx wrote - THAT'S WHY the Soviet Union collapsed. I repeat, the key for a Revolution to actually solve something is not an extremist ideology that would turn violence into a purpose in itself. That's fascism. The key word must be RESPONSIBILITY - with life, with ourselves, with our children. Sooner or later (and apparently sooner than later) American establishment's Empire will collapse - THAT WILL BE THE END OF HISTORIC 20TH CENTURY, NOT THE FALL OF THE SMOKE SCREEN BERLIN WALL. What comes next? Either we know how to live in peace, either we all die somehow and no matter how. Then the ideologies will end. Revolution must be about saving lives.
One last thing (here): no wonder I chose William Tell for my site name. It's not just about the Swiss hero, but about what's been written about him. The drama (1804) by German poet Friedrich Schiller (1759-1805)is PURE SUBVERSION EVEN TODAY! One of its main ideas is that WEALTH IS THE ENEMY TO FREEDOM - how about that?! (Available in English at http://www.gutenberg.net) And the same can be said about Rossini's opera upon Schiller's drama - ONE OF THE GREATEST MASTERPIECES OF THE GENRE, along with Verdi's "Aida", Bizet's "Carmen", Moussorgski's "Boris Godunov" and George Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess" (awh, yeah). The overture from Rossini's "William Tell" is one of the most famous pieces of the so-called classical music, but I'm talking about the entire opera - 4-HOURS-LONG. They tell you that Rossini's opera is too long and too difficult to play - that is true; that libretto (the text) is bad - this is BS. If you, people, find the time to train your brain upon all this, you will realize why there was NO WAY PLACIDO DOMINGO BEING DIRECTOR OF WASHINGTON DC OPERA AT THE TIME OF 9/11 COULD HAVE ALLOWED TO GO ROSSINI'S OPERA ON STAGE. The best solution was simply silence. Only "Boston" rock band could afford to lose a lot of money (apparently) on releasing the CD "Corporate America" (2002) keeping the style of 1994 "Walk On".
Resuming, we, who want to live in peace, cannot afford to be idiots. The wish just to work for society's progress and being able to bring enough food home at the end of the day so not to look family's faces with shame is a political stand although we don't want it to be so. Defending it requires a lot of courage and intelligence shown here by Metal Mickey in his spectacular post 203 (the information form it rather coincides with the one being collected and updated by movie director Erik Hufschmidt - must be another German). That's what Marx, Lenin and national heros of every country there's been at least one or a few wanted the humanity to understand. So, what kind of humanity are we?
GOOD THINKING WILLIAM TELL! I´M SO HAPPY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE WAKING UP FROM A LONG INDUCED MENTAL "SIESTA".
March 28th, 2008 at 11:23 pmKEEP ON YOUR LIFE´S PHILOSOPHY: "FOR WHAT IT´S A MAN, WHAT HAS HE GOT... IF NOT HIMSELF... THEN HE HAS NAUGHT... TO SAY THE THINGS HE TRULLY FEELS.. AND NOT THE WORDS OF ONE WHO KNEELS.... " THAT´S WISDOM!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS FOR YOUR WORDS.
thomas jefferson once said every two hundered years the people should show the gov who's boss . it has never been more true than with gorge and dick , the true anti americans that should be tried for treason against the very public they so claim to be protecting . but because of the lobbiists we will never see justice . That is why I play farhenheight 9/11 and sicko once a day for my children .
March 29th, 2008 at 5:43 amMetal Mickey- First of all, I don't know what you do for a living, or how much "free" time you have, but if you put as much thought and energy into other issues, as you seemed to have put into those addressed in post #203, again, I urge you to consider creating your own site. I would be more than happy to do whatever I can to help in such an endeavor. My husband designs web sites for a living, so any questions you might have he can answer if I cannot. Secondly, what I meant when I said I hope you are posting it "everywhere", was just to post it where and when you saw the opportunity to. For example, I am sure this story is on many other sites, and probably most of them have a comments section. See what I mean? It would be a good story to post to, because it's a story that can be found on sites which both repubs. and dems. might visit. Your writing is concise and well put together. It is the sort of thing that should be read by many people, and more people should be sharing info. like you did. Heyroindi@gmail.com
March 29th, 2008 at 1:05 pmGREAT post, Metal Mickey (#203). What is the difference, if any, between Loose Change 9/11 and Loose Change Final Cut? I wish everyone could and would read your post.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pmTo larsonkid1
As you correctly pointed out much of what I wrote was from Loose Change. However I haven't seen LC Final Cut so thanks for mentioning it. I will look forward to seeing that.
Nevertheless it was hardly my intention to steal any thunder -Loose Change was quite simply excellent - so why not reiterate many of the key issues it raised and furthermore give it a plug!
However I would like to add I've had to do other research, notably on Raytheon, the US company that refitted the A3 Sky Warrior jet that crashed into the Pentagon, as well as the death of its top 5 executives on the day of 9/11.
I also gave my opinions on what I think actually did happen. This for obvious reasons is something most people are loathed to do. Anyway thanks for your comments
Metal Mickey
March 30th, 2008 at 2:15 pmMetal Mickey - by no means was I trying to point out anything to you! I was just curious what you knew about the differences (if any) between the two films. I don't care a whit that you used the film extensively for your post - I'm just VERY happy that you wrote it! Yes, I'm sure there was much other research. Pulling together the entire story isn't easy, as so many of the documentaries for 2006 showed. I hope heyro can help you assemble a website.
March 31st, 2008 at 2:39 pmI say lets get Michael Moore to organize the impeachment of the two dorks we have in office
April 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pmmaybe we could all pray *hard* enough that one of those eight or so bypasses he's had could finally fail...pretty please?
Then, God would REALLY be Blessing America.
Amen.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 pmI am so glad there will be someone else in the White House in less than a year. I am a Christian and I disagree with the war but support our men and women over there. It is not their fault that their supposed wise leaders can't send them to fight the right people.
Both parties disgust me and I am not sure who I will vote for come November. It is always the lesser of two evils when it comes to a Presidential election. I will just pray for God to lead my decision on election day this year.
God bless you all and I pray we can get someone in office that knows what the American people actually want.
April 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pmThis war has been the epitome of evil unleashed by evil
April 6th, 2008 at 1:45 pmmen.
Since the war began, there have been 1 million families
left without fathers. This translates to 1 million widows
and orphans.
Who will take care of these people? I doubt Bush or Cheney
will.
yeah,
April 6th, 2008 at 7:57 pmi knw someone with i kid in the army and he used to like it but now he wants out cauz of all of the people hez seen die but he cant leave and hates it
Such ignorance of what is really important, as this statement so indicates, as a representative of our nation's good people what the f*** does that say about us as the individuals of this country.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:18 pmIt has been said that "there is only one perpetrator of evil on the planet: human unconsciousness." And this is one sure sign of it.
Cheney said it but yet he is still the Vice President! HOW DARE HE! It's obvious to me that WE THE PEOPLE don't mean a thing to this pig!
April 6th, 2008 at 11:53 pmWHY ARE THEY STILL IN OFFICE????
Can somebody PLEASE TELL ME???
Peace to all.....
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Did he really say "so"? I would like to get all the families of fallen soldiers in front of him and see what happens if he tries that with them. Hopefully enough people will see this and be vocal enough about it to let him know that we deserve better. I really hope things will start changing in this country. God help us.
April 8th, 2008 at 2:19 amWow! Just cant believe that in USA your country's leaders can say, openly, that they dont care what the people (that elected them) think and there is not rioting in the streets. (or at the very least some lively picketing in the capital). If our 'good' leader here (Helen Clarke- new zealand) said anything like that she would be brought to task by the people and burgeoned by the press to grovel and apologise - immediately!!!!! Get out there and stampede the bastions!!!!
April 11th, 2008 at 5:58 amFIVE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN
1.John McCain is known for being tortured in Vietnam but voted against the waterboarding ban
2. John McCain voted against estalishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose civil rights laws.
3.He postions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0-yes, zero- from the League of Conservation Voters last year.
4.Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chier. One republican senator said: " the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."
5. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guid," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacherJohn Hagee, who believes Hurrican Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church " the Antichrist' and a "false cult."
Also, there's only a few months left of the chimp era, so why impeach now? Bush would pardon Cheney. We should wait until after elections so Cheney won't be let off the hook for his Nixon-like ways.
OBAMA 08!!!!!
April 15th, 2008 at 6:30 pm#201 Metal Mickey: You are right-on concerning all the mysteries surrounding 9/11. I applaud your lengthy questioning and explanation. The three buildings were definitely demolished with explosives and the Media is not living up to what it has to do in a democracy. I hope that Michael Moore can see a way to spread the word about the mysteries surrounding 911 without people becoming so enraged that they bring down only this Administration and not the Government itself. It is that serious. So.....? Yes, Mr. Cheney and his neocons have done the unthinkable for oil and power and, of course, to line their pockets. Impeachment is too good for this Administration.
April 15th, 2008 at 7:28 pmWow. There you go everyone. I guess the idea of taking people's thoughts and opinions (especially when you are supposed to be helping to lead these people) doesn't apply to Mr.Dick... What great people we have in charge of us! With our pre-election bowling, and dancing on Talk Shows, I tell ya, this election is gonna be just like a roller coaster... that went off the tracks and went up in flames.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:36 amI can't beleive nobody has shot these clowns yet....Reagan was shot twice and people LIKED him!!!
April 27th, 2008 at 10:17 amI'm waiting for journalists to grow a set and start calling people out.
May 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pmAmerica is FOUNDED on GENOCIDE. Why does anyone think anything good is going to come from it?
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 amWe the people did speak in November of 2000 & 2004 and elected our President and Vice President. Cheney is right, this country can not be run by public opinion polls, we are run by elections. Our President and Vice-President are elected every 4 years and serve until the next election. They are privy to far more information than we are and they have to act on that, not public opinion polls which are highly inaccurate and subject to manipulation to serve the polsters wishes.
We have a representative government, not a wild democracy of public opinion, let them do their jobs!
I'd vote for Cheney or Bush for President in 2008 over their previous opponents or any of the current condidates!!!
You people have got to stop living on your emotions and think about the bigger picture!
July 24th, 2008 at 9:18 amCheney and his ilk will never admit to making a mistake in Iraq. Their only purpose is to leave the war to the next president and get out of town. This should not be surprising. Nor should the disregard for the will of the people.
We should be more worried by the fact that a substantial number of people will vote for the Republican candidate because they still believe that the Republicans will do a better job on terrorism. The mindless droning by Cheney and others projects an image of strength. The Democrats must learn the art of ridicule in order to expose the stupidity of their positions. MSM will not even challenge it. The hp pavilion nx9100 battery,hp pavilion zt1000 battery public discourse will be improved only when the Democrats learn to respond to the Republican take on these issues with derision.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:15 am