Comments on: Lawsuits question McCain’s eligibility to be president.

By: 99Luf Balloons

99Luf Balloons — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:19:57 +0000

Rev Wright made no racists comments, period. He made factual points of history which may have been racists, but they were facts of history.

As for McCain, you all have lost sight as to what this truly means. If McCain, who was born on a US Naval base is given full rights as a born on US soil citizen, then that goes against the REpublitards stance on Guantanamo, in that those on that soil ARE NOT ON US GROUND, and therefore can be treated differently.
This ISSUE is very much in play, and a major point of hypocrisy for the Frightwing.

By: DallasNE

DallasNE — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:31:12 +0000

This is misguided with a backlash that can only help McCain. My advise would be to drop all such efforts.

By: WaltTheMan

WaltTheMan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:49:47 +0000

We now have at least five tests that must be used when determining your rights as a natural born citizen (American):
1. Your father’s birth right.
2. Your mother’s birth right.
3. Your parent’s birth right.
4. Where you were born. and -
5. Where you were conceived.

By: Klem Kiddilehopper

Klem Kiddilehopper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:33:00 +0000

Read up on what Cheney did when he pick himself to be VP! Now there’s a story of lying and cheating from the get-go, that continues till today!

By: Bluestocking

Bluestocking — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:40:22 +0000

In all honesty and in all fairness — and I say this as a lifelong liberal and Democrat — this argument strikes me as being frivolous and rather ridiculous. If at least one of McCain’s parents is/was a citizen of the United States, I fail to see how being born outside the United States automatically disqualifies him as a “natural-born citizen”. Since most children born overseas to American parents aren’t required to apply for citizenship when they become adults, I think that would lead one to presume that they are considered natural-born citizens even if they would also be entitled to citizenship in the country of their birth.

By: sherifffruitfly

sherifffruitfly — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:25:04 +0000

I hate McCain more than the next 2 guys, but this is just plain stupid. He’s a citizen. He’s not a naturalized citizen. Hence he’s a natural born citizen. Done.

By: Zimzone

Zimzone — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:46:19 +0000

McCain was born in Panama.

Few people know, however, that his Father is Manuel Noriega.

BTW, google Omicron Ohayo to see what ‘it’ is…

By: WaltTheMan

WaltTheMan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:44:14 +0000

I was born in Washington, DC. Since at the time, the District had neither representatives or senators in Congress (It could not because it is and was not a state.), am I or am I not a natural born citizen? This could get really dicey if we let it grow to fruition!

By: Jeremy in Denver

Jeremy in Denver — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:26:50 +0000

good_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution itself, so we must look to contemporaneous documents of our founding fathers to determine their intent. In 1790, just two years after ratification of the Constitution, Congress passed the first naturalization law which states that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.” From this early evidence of our founding father’s intent, it appears pretty clear to me that Sen. McCain is a “natural born citizen.”
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Fortunately, Barrack Obama, seeing an attempt by McCain’s OWN PARTY (!!!) to side track his nomination, has decided to clarify that the will of the congress is that that early post by a founding father is to be the Law of the Land.

So, good_golly, are you with or against your Republican cohorts that brought this suit against McCain? :-D

By: WaltTheMan

WaltTheMan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:24:12 +0000

I suspect that if this goes to the Supremes, Clarence Thomas will be the sole dissenting vote.

By: MapleStreet

MapleStreet — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:22:30 +0000

I’m not sure if I would like McCain being disqualified or not. McCain has painted himself into a corner as being the staunch supporter of Bush policies and headed to being Bush III.

If McCain gets disqualified, the repubs might get someone that people like .

By: airdefender

airdefender — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:16:42 +0000

It is really amazing how almost everyone on this thread do not understand why the lawsuits are being filed. The Constitution states that the President has to be a “natural born” citizen. When the Constitution was ratified, the founding fathers did not want a person born in another country to become President because they were concerned where their loyalties were.

Joesph Kennedy was the Ambassor to Great Britain/England when either his son Joesph or John was born. Because of the concern over the “natural born” clause, he made sure that the son was born in the US Embassy because every Embassy is sovereign soil that country. It has long been held that “natural born” meant that you had to be born on US soil.

I had a recent manager who was born in a foreign county to parents who were US citizen working in the State Department. Even though this person was born on the economy, the father had her birth certificate modified to state that she was born in the US Embassy.

The “natural born” clause has never been ruled on the Supreme Court. It is a Constitutional question that needs clarification.

I am in my 60s and I have always understood from my early school years in Utah that to be President one had to be born on US soil. Being a veteran, I have always thought that this was completely unfair to children born overseas to US citizens. This is true for those in the military, other Government organizations or those just on vacation. Why is a child born overseas of US citizen serving in the military any more entitled to be President than a child born overseas to any other US citizen.

I am hopeful that the Supreme Court will hear this case and rule that a child born on US soil or to US citizens overseas will be declared “natural born”.

You will notice that I have not addressed children born in the US to illegal aliens. Although related, it is not what is being asked in these lawsuits.

It is not a frivolous lawsuit; but, a serious Constitutional question that has never been addressed. Maybe now it will.

By: L. Hussein Annie

L. Hussein Annie — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:12:10 +0000

Goofy_goony – why don’t you head on over to FreeRepublic and defend McMiniMe over there?

I mean, considering it’s Republicans LIKE YOU who are filing these lawsuits and all…you know?

By: Doctor J

Doctor J — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:10:32 +0000

Hmmm. Neither George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, nor any of the early presidents was born “within” the United States.

By: A Patriot Acting

A Patriot Acting — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:08:43 +0000

“From this early evidence of our founding father’s intent, it appears pretty clear to me that Sen. McCain is a “natural born citizen.””
-Goony_GooGoo

Noone here is saying he isn’t. What’s your point?

By: Bartolo

Bartolo — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:38:03 +0000

More disqualifying for McCain is his obsession with some form of revenge or family face-saving for his actions in the Viet Nam war.

By: RUCerious

RUCerious — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:34:31 +0000

It’s not his ‘eligibility’ that should be in question, it is his mental fitness, impaired judgement, lack of principal and failure to have any moral compass that is at issue.

By: L. Hussein Annie

L. Hussein Annie — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:18:48 +0000

Oh, my – it’s delightful that it was a Republican wingnut who filed this suit.

GOOOOOO, FRED!!!! ;o)

By: Kay

Kay — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:15:30 +0000

I agree. This is a silly distraction. My concerns:

1. Is Diebold going to come to the rescue for McBomb and help him steal the election?

2. If McBomb does get in — I fear perpetual war with not only Iran — but with China, Russia.

With his famous temper, McWar really is a ticking time “bomb”

God help us.

By: missmolly

missmolly — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:15:12 +0000

Omicron Ohayo Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
A man whose father was serving in the U.S. military when he was born in Panama is not eligible to be president? A man who defended his country and spent more than five years as a POW is not eligible to be president? Yet a racist, America-hater named Barack Hussein Obama is? Incredible.

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1) The question here whether a person born outside the United States to U.S. citizens qualifies as a “natural born” citizen — not which candidate is more suitable based on your personal ideology.

2) Your last sentence — accusing Obama of being a racist and hating America, as well as complaining about his name — is a troll-turd you just dropped in here without proof or explanation (and it’s incorrect besides). Please attempt to keep these threads turd-free. It creates a better environment for all, and it keeps you from looking like a greater fool.