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Scarborough ignores McCain’s embrace of anti-gay forces.

By Matt on Mar 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Scarborough ignores McCain’s embrace of anti-gay forces.»

On MSNBC’s Morning Joe yesterday, host and former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough claimed that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you’re gay, you’re going to hell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.” Watch it:

As Media Matters points out, McCain sought and embraced the endorsement of San Antonio Pastor John Hagee, who claimed Hurricane Katrina was God’s judgment on New Orleans for hosting a gay pride parade. Ohio Pastor Rod Parsely, who McCain has called a “spiritual guide” on the campaign trail, claims that same-sex marriage is a “brutal attack from the forces of darkness.”

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49 Responses to “Scarborough ignores McCain’s embrace of anti-gay forces.”


  1. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Damn, if the media gets any more librul, I just may have to move to Canada.


  2. J Says:

    “Truthiness”, the 2005 and 2006 Word of the Year, is still just as prescient as ever.


  3. Keltoi Says:

    It seems to me we should focus on what the candidates themselves say…saves a bunch of time.


  4. Namtillaku Says:

    Ohio Pastor Rod Parsely, who McCain has called a “spiritual guide on the campaign trail,” claims that same-sex marriage is a “brutal attack from the forces of darkness.”

    I think Parsely was relating a wet dream he had one night.


  5. Keltoi Says:

    Oh - and Scarborough is a dope, who cares what he says?


  6. katy Says:

    maybe joe isn’t a morning person… is he even worse than ever?

    at C&L, they’re talking about this morning: Morning Joe: Scar Says Obama Threw His Grandmother Under The Bus

    repeating the latest winger meme… how crazy is that?

    people like joe scarborough must not want to heal this hurting country…


  7. chisholm Says:

    Ohio Pastor Rod Parsely, who McCain has called a “spiritual guide on the campaign trail,” claims that same-sex marriage is a “brutal attack from the forces of darkness.”

    Sounds kinda hot if you ask me.


  8. KingCranky Says:

    Hagee made a claim that should be easy enough for him to prove

    He said that, regarding the supposed big gay pride parade scheduled for New Orleans, the one that allegedly caused God to hit Katrina upon the Gulf Coast, that the story wasn’t picked up in the National media, but WAS in the local media

    So only Pastor Hagee’s area ran a story about a gay rights parade scheduled for New Orleans on the weekend Katrina hit?

    Let Hagee Prove it, and after all, who better to tell the truth than a religous fraud determined to bring about “Armageddon” no matter what


  9. jer3saw Says:

    I think Scar is bumbed that his buddy Tucker is off the air.
    He is trying to pick up where Tucker left off.


  10. KingCranky Says:

    And regarding Parsely, just how warrior-like can someone be with a name easy enough to mock by adding the phrase “sprig of” in front of it?


  11. DieNowForPeace Says:

    Hmm. Speaking of “ignoring”, did Hillary ignore Bill’s mouth love?

    WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton was home in the White House the day her husband had an infamous sexual encounter just outside the Oval Office with intern Monica Lewinsky, according to Sen. Clinton’s schedule, released Wednesday among 11,000 pages of papers from her years as first lady.

    Head in the sand. Sounds like our current Presidunce.


  12. Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    Ohio Pastor Rod Parsely, who McCain has called a “spiritual guide” on the campaign trail, claims that same-sex marriage is a “brutal attack from the forces of darkness.”

    But, but, can’t we hold McCain responsible for what his “spiritual guide” has said? If we have to hold Obama responsible for things Wright said, shouldn’t the same principle apply to McCain?

    I’m sorry, but I will believe what a candidate tells me (even McCain and Hillary) and won’t judge them based on something that their pastor, friend or backer has said in the past. We are only responsible for our own words and deeds.


  13. Roket Says:

    Not to worry. As those of us on the left are aware, McUser is just using the religious right for their votes. If he is elected, he will drop them like a hot potato. Evidently the poor schmucks will never learn. Check out this video and be sure and watch the hands:

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/ the-trail/ 2008/ 03/ 17/ mccain_adviser_rips_the_religi.html


  14. republicans hate facts Says:

    DieNowForPeace Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
    Hmm. Speaking of “ignoring”, did Hillary ignore Bill’s mouth love?

    Good question. Maybe you could ask Ronnie McClurkin, Obama’s ex-gay homophobic campaign strategist for black churches. We’re all sure he’s the expert on mouth love?

    Obama refuses to distance himself from anti-gay forces, yet he refused to even have his picture taken with the mayor of san francisco because of his stand on gay rights! Would you Hopium Addicts please educate yourselves or STFU?


  15. L. Hussein Annie Says:

    15 - RHF: I normally agree with your posts.

    However, you’re beginning to piss me off. We have enough Democrat-bashing coming from the ugly reichwingers; we don’t need it coming from YOU.

    I have sound reasons for preferring Obama over Clinton, and your diatribes aren’t helping.

    Perhaps you could STFU yourself, eh? With all due respect, of course.


  16. dbadass Says:

    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Respectfully, I must agree with L. Hussein Annie.


  17. Bobwurst Says:

    jer3saw Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
    I think Scar is bumbed that his buddy Tucker is off the air.
    He is trying to pick up where Tucker left off.”

    Yeah, he’s got to lie for two now. The intern corpes must be piling up in his office like cordwood.


  18. republicans hate facts Says:

    L. Hussein Annie Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    15 - RHF: I normally agree with your posts.

    That’s because I am usually right.

    However, you’re beginning to piss me off. We have enough Democrat-bashing coming from the ugly reichwingers; we don’t need it coming from YOU.

    Welcome to the club. The hopium addicts trash Hillary like it’s their job, and then can’t handle it when Obama gets criticized for doing the same thing that the GOP is doing! If you’re going to criticize McCain for being anti-gay, then your defense of Obama after his repeated acts of homophobia I find as offensive as McCain! We don’t need that kind of homophobia coming from YOU!

    We have enough hypocrisy among republicans, we don’t need it coming from YOU!

    I have sound reasons for preferring Obama over Clinton, and your diatribes aren’t helping.
    Perhaps you could STFU yourself, eh? With all due respect, of course.

    What sound reasons might that be? I’ve never heard a single one from any Obama supporter for why they support him. I have even more sound reasons for not supporting him! Mainly that he’s a racist, a bigot, a homophobe and a liar! I respectfully hope you understand that while I’ll hold my nose and vote for him in November, it’ll be the first time I’ve ever cast a vote for someone that’s openly hostile to the gay community! Perhaps you could STFU yourself, eh? With all due respect of course.

    dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    Respectfully, I must agree with L. Hussein Annie.

    What that the homophobia of Obama should be permitted as a double standard? Yeah, the hopium addicts always say that.

    So tell me, you’re comfortable with Ronnie McClurkin being Obama’s campaign star, while he refuses to have is picture taken with gay rights activists? If so, then perhaps both of you should have done yourself a favor and sat out of this thread! The reality is that liberal hypocrisy I personally find much more offensive than conservative. I expect more from you people, and this election you’ve continually disappointed me!


  19. dbadass Says:

    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    I think you miss the point.


  20. Marie Says:

    Will anyone in the media question McCain and his affiliation with Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and Parsley who hate gays, muslims and others who aren’t whitebread christian Americans.
    Will they also ask Hillary Clinton about her relationship with Family American?


  21. tombaker Says:

    John McCain’s radical religious supporters advocate the violent overthrow of our own government.

    John McCain’s recklessness killed 132 sailors on board the USS Forrestal.


  22. Max-1 Says:

    .

    My Parrish Priest was convicted of pedophilia…
    … does that mean I support pedophilia?

    .


  23. McWars Says:

    I am a proud Hopium addict. I, however, find this addiction to be healthy and will not enter a treatment facility.

    O B A M A 2 0 0 8!


  24. republicans hate facts Says:

    # dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    I think you miss the point.

    No you do. Obama embraced anti-gay forces at the core of his campaign, and yet the Obama followers are criticizing McCain for doing the same.


  25. dbadass Says:

    The point has absolutely nothing to do with either Mr. Obama nor Ms. Clinton.


  26. republicans hate facts Says:

    Marie Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    Will anyone in the media question McCain and his affiliation with Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and Parsley who hate gays, muslims and others who aren’t whitebread christian Americans.
    Will they also ask Hillary Clinton about her relationship with Family American?

    Is Family American running Hillary’s campaign outreach? Because Donnie McClurkin was personally chosen by Obama to run his. Last time I checked, Obama’s personal church says more damning things about his personal choices and personal beliefs than any Hopium addict has the honest, integrity or stomach to face!

    Do me a favor Marie, go google “Donnie McClurkin Obama” and get back to me when you’re more educated, will you doll?


  27. republicans hate facts Says:

    dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    The point has absolutely nothing to do with either Mr. Obama nor Ms. Clinton.

    But it does. Unfortunately Obama is guilty of exactly the kind of embrace of anti-gay extremists as Obama is. The man was too much of a p**sy to have is photo taken with the mayor of San Francisco! Sorry, but you Hopium addicts need to put down the pipe and google “Donnie McClurkin Obama”!


  28. Max-1 Says:

    .

    Well let’s see here,

    First we had Obama’s wife not liking America…
    Now we have his Pastor not liking America…
    Who’s next… His children?

    Get real people, the MSNBS is attempting to make stick an allegation that is not true. THEY(sic) are attempting to ‘paint‘ Obama as not ‘AMERICAN’ enough. “Where’s his ‘flag pin’?” “Where’s his hand over his heart?” Their mindset is basically this: If you can associate Obama with other unamerican people/actions, you can paint Obama as not American enough ergo he’ll not ‘pass the test’. And the way you start is to keep the Obama supporters on the defense by attacking the people around him as being just that while accusing any counter attacks as blatant attempts of being discourteous. Accuse your oponent of what you’re being…

    .


  29. tombaker Says:

    somebody give RHF a hit of the hopium.

    it’s sad to see good people turn hysterical.


  30. dbadass Says:

    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
    dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    The point has absolutely nothing to do with either Mr. Obama nor Ms. Clinton.

    But it does. Unfortunately Obama is guilty of exactly the kind of embrace of anti-gay extremists as Obama is. The man was too much of a p**sy to have is photo taken with the mayor of San Francisco! Sorry, but you Hopium addicts need to put down the pipe and google “Donnie McClurkin Obama”!

    Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

    That is where you continue to miss the point. The point is that you need a little remediation in the area of manners. You make assumptions as to others views without any supporting evidences. You fling invectives without reading for content, than blame your mistakes on the format. It seems that your ideas might carry a little more weight if you mellowed out on the rudeness. That was the point.


  31. dasm Says:

    And why is this McCain fiasco not big news? What’s wrong with the media when they attack Obama & report on a comparitively insignificant issue– compared to the hatred & hate-mongering of the supporters McCain has actually embraced? McCain has not issued any strong denunciations of all the horrific statements made by his two supporters- he has only cherry-picked a few. Naturally that means he agrees with them on the others. Shameful, Mr. McCain, and shame on the media who do not subject McCain to any sort of hard scrutiny.


  32. Max-1 Says:

    .

    #25 republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Ummm…

    I know you HATE FACTS but…

    FACT: If you are to be correct,
    “Obama embraced anti-gay forces at the core of his campaign”
    Then on base assumption, you’re either:
    1) Support Obama’s actions…
    2) Don’t support Obama’s actions…

    HOWEVER, I am confused because IF you support Obama’s actions THEN your defense of McTorture would make sense in the terms of, “Your guy did it and so therefore my guy can too…”

    OR

    You don’t support homophobia and their supporters…

    WHICH IS IT… PLEASE CLEAR THIS FACT UP FOR US?

    .


  33. old_hack Says:

    hey TP.org get your own Material!

    bastards.

    http://oldhacks.blogspot.com


  34. J.R. Ash Says:

    Once again you people are getting yourselves all worked-up, and in the process missing the point. Max-1, Dasm, and others, I really would like to know what YOUR idea of hate speech is. Obviously, it only includes anything said by the republicans. Well let me clue you guys in on something: First of all, not everything said by someone about others(whether concerning religion, race, or SELF-CHOSEN sexual orientation)is hate speech. It seems to me that we have come to be a nation of hyper-sensitive whiners, and the far-left are the ones trying to be the Gestapo, condeming anyone who speaks any truth when it offends someone else, and seeking to pass laws that label ‘hurtful’, or ‘offenensive’ comments about any of their core constituents as ‘hate speech’. Last I checked, there is something in the American Constitution known as Freedom of Speech. Even the America-bashing Rev. Wright has protection under that freedom. And, by the way, there is a big difference between the ignorant comments of the right-wing preachers who said those things about Islam and who said that about gays and hurricane Katrina, and Rev. Wright who has blamed the goverment for the creation and spread of AIDS (which is freaking ridiculous and easily disproven), blames white people for all of African-Americans’ problems, has said G*D***N America and much more hate-speech than that. The difference is that the things we know he said, besides being prejudicial over-generalizations, and blankleting stereo-types, but are racist, ignorant, and blatantly anti-American. No one is simply just ‘picking’ or singling-out’ Obama’s supporters in order to tear down Obama, but rather there are alot of people who are tired of the whining and finger-pointing of African-American leaders when they don’t get their way, or they are called on some bull that they are trying to serve the American public. As usual, though, they and their left-wing, socialist supporters ( both of who, by the way, think its O.K. to bash white people, males, the goverment, churches, corporations and even America in general) twist and turn their own transgressions around as a finger of blame pointing at any who call them on their bullcrap. And then on top of that, they dont deem their diatribes and rantings of blame as hate, racist or unamerican. This freaking stupidity needs to stop, and I do mean on both sides of the Isle. If we ALL can’t learn to sit down and discuss issues rationally, work things out, and quit whining and finger-pointing everytime something doesnt go the way someone wants, then how do we expect our politicians to? And if they can’t, then I say there is no hope for our nation. Abraham Lincoln said it best: “A house divided cannot stand”. Think about it.


  35. dbadass Says:

    “If we ALL can’t learn to sit down and discuss issues rationally, work things out, and quit whining and finger-pointing everytime something doesnt go the way someone wants, then how do we expect our politicians to? And if they can’t, then I say there is no hope for our nation. Abraham Lincoln said it best: “A house divided cannot stand”. Think about it.”

    J.R. Ash

    This sounds good yet when I read what preceeds it I see you using phrases such as “As usual, though, they and their left-wing, socialist supporters” and others which clearly contradict the point you wish us to believe that you believe.


  36. katy Says:

    J.R. Ash at 8:37 pm

    gaa…

    “paragraphs are your friend.” -bb


  37. katy Says:

    jeez… he writes like he talks…

    whra rah humph prumph tut tut tut…


  38. katy Says:

    whoa… i was referring to a linked article by christopher hitchens…
    that has all of a sudden disappeared… hmmm…
    i don’t think i like what that could imply…


  39. Vanthomas Says:

    I never thought murdering my fellow Americans would be a fetish…..I was short sighted.


  40. JosephW Says:

    J.R. Ash Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    Once again you people are getting yourselves all worked-up, and in the process missing the point. Max-1, Dasm, and others, I really would like to know what YOUR idea of hate speech is. Obviously, it only includes anything said by the republicans. Well let me clue you guys in on something: First of all, not everything said by someone about others(whether concerning religion, race, or SELF-CHOSEN sexual orientation)is hate speech.

    Might I dare ask why you only described “sexual orientation” as “SELF-CHOSEN” when religion is ALSO a CHOICE?
    According to Christian teachings, one must CHOOSE to follow Christ–it’s not innate. How many televangelists invite their audience to come up and “accept” Christ? If one’s born a Christian, one shouldn’t need to “accept” Christ.
    Many people convert from one faith to another or even one denomination to another (and, you might recall accounts from a few years ago of an Afghani man who was sentenced to death for the “crime” of apostasy–that is, renouncing Islam and convertion to Christianity, which sounds like somebody CHOSE a religion). Don’t forget either that one of the leading principles of the European colonial expeditions to the Americas and Africa was “God”, which meant converting the native peoples to Christianity (even today, most missionary work involves converting people from not only animistic and other primitive/pagan beliefs to Christianity but converting from one Christian denomination to another). And you don’t seriously believe that the thousands of Jehovah’s Witnesses and young Mormon men spend their time knocking on doors and ringing doorbells just because they want to wish you a happy day–do you? No. They’re doing that because they want YOU to CHOOSE to worship God/Jesus according to the tenets of THEIR particular practices.


  41. snow-moon Says:

    Joe’s right.

    so much magical unity.

    it’s all around us.

    can you feel it?


  42. Max-1 Says:

    J.R. Ash Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I see bigotry is your friend. You just open your mouth and let your woods speak for you… NO?

    If I must ask someone to clarify their position on their ambiguous hate, does that mean I’m using hate speech? Ney, just inquisitive.

    Please do not accuse me of what what you defend… K?

    Does it matter if you’re a Loyal Christian(R) or a devout Christian, reread that Bible. We have become a Nation of stone throwers, cowering behind the garments of Christ’s robes. What you have forgot is that those garments were stripped off and gambled away. You may keep hiding behind them, but who’s wearing them now?

    Woe to ye, Pharisees and Scribes…

    On Rev. Wright’s sound bites:
    I never thought telling someone to watch their step as they stride off into the cow pastures was hate speech… but you do so please, go step in one.

    .


  43. old_hack Says:

    That got a good laugh out of me.

    Jeeeeeezus Christ.

    talk about licking some heal. for christ sake man leave yourself Some dignity.

    god these sell outs dont give a shit about ANYTHINIG

    Scarboughr is a total joke. so is anyone who takes him seriously. they should bring back Imus. At least he was an Honest Dirtbag.


  44. thirdparty Says:

    I’m not a fan of condemning anyone for what their supporters personally believe - we’re voting for a candidate, and not his or her advisers and supporters - but I do think there is a huge difference between Obama’s relationship with Rev. Wright and any relationship McCain might have to a far-right religious figure. To pretend otherwise is to simply ignore that Wright presided over a wedding and a baptism, inspired Obama’s book, was Obama’s pastor for two decades, etc. So I think there’s a point to what Scarborough is suggesting - it’s a matter of what he means by “attached,” of course, but I think he has a standard of “attached” that equates to the attachment of Wright and Obama.

    But as long as we’re attacking Joe, can Media Matters slam Mika for agreeing?


  45. Democrat Soldier Says:

    #45 - thirdparty Says:
    March 20th, 2008 at 6:10 am

    I can see where you’re coming from. Sen. Obama chose to stay with Rev. Wright over an extended period based on his religious upbringing and his long-term faith.

    Sen. McCain is aligning himself with religious figures purely for the politics and has nothing at allto do with his religious beliefs. Sen. McCain is using the religious people with whom he’s currying favor to get votes that he normally wouldn’t be accorded.

    Sen. Obama, on the other hand, has a long and close relationship with his religious advisors and with his faith. His mistake is in trying to defend the indefensible, and for claiming one standard at one time, then another standard later.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/ Politics/ story?id=3031317&page=1

    Sen. McCain looks at faith from a primary persepctive: how many votes will I get by whoring myself to this or that religious leader?

    Not all my comment was sarcastic, but there is a very healty dose coating it.


  46. republicans hate facts Says:

    Max-1 Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    .
    #25 republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
    Ummm…
    I know you HATE FACTS but…
    FACT: If you are to be correct,
    “Obama embraced anti-gay forces at the core of his campaign”
    Then on base assumption, you’re either:
    1) Support Obama’s actions…
    2) Don’t support Obama’s actions…
    HOWEVER, I am confused because IF you support Obama’s actions THEN your defense of McTorture would make sense in the terms of, “Your guy did it and so therefore my guy can too…”
    OR
    You don’t support homophobia and their supporters…
    WHICH IS IT… PLEASE CLEAR THIS FACT UP FOR US?

    What a stupid Hopium Addict post. I don’t support anyone doing this, and I’m just shocked at the hypocrisy and immorality of the Obama followers and the double standard they exhibit! Who’s defending McCain? Not me, you stupid, ignorant piece of sh*t, and you implying that I have is typical of the ‘TARDED Hopium addicts!

    It’s disgusting and unacceptable whoever does it, but the silence from TARDS LIKE YOU when OBAMA behaves the same way, is an incredibly bad reflection on you! Does that help you figure it out TARD, or are you still TOO DAMN STUPID and BIGOTED YOURSELF to GET IT?


  47. republicans hate facts Says:

    dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
    republicans hate facts Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
    dbadass Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    The point has absolutely nothing to do with either Mr. Obama nor Ms. Clinton.
    But it does. Unfortunately Obama is guilty of exactly the kind of embrace of anti-gay extremists as Obama is. The man was too much of a p**sy to have is photo taken with the mayor of San Francisco! Sorry, but you Hopium addicts need to put down the pipe and google “Donnie McClurkin Obama”!
    Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
    That is where you continue to miss the point. The point is that you need a little remediation in the area of manners. You make assumptions as to others views without any supporting evidences. You fling invectives without reading for content, than blame your mistakes on the format. It seems that your ideas might carry a little more weight if you mellowed out on the rudeness. That was the point.

    Obama refused to meet with the mayor of San Francisco because of the gay marriage issue, while embracing a homophobic figure in his campaign. That’s not flinging invectives, that’s a reality of a bad choice that Obama made. You really should look at yourself, when you talk about making assumptions without supporting evidence…


  48. J.R. Ash Says:

    Ok, let me make this short and clear: max-1 and dbadass,I can admit that fustration gets the better of me and that I can have a sharp tongue (something iam working on), but that doesn’t change the point, which I see no one has picked up on. The point is that the two minority EXTREMES (on the right and left)are hijacking OUR (as in all of ours) goverment and trying to shove their ideological socio/political views down the majority’s (that means the rest os us)throat and make us swallow it. On one hand there is the religious right, who imagine that the better days of America were when everyone: went to church, never questioned authority, children never spoke until spoken to, women knew their places (at home raising kids) and anything done in secret like rape, child-molesting, or adultery (which was done even by church and community leaders) was never talked about in public (unless as gossip)but rather swept under the rug. Ah , those must of been the good old days, because those on the far-right seem to suffer from a collective amnesia and they want everyone else to suffer from it too. On the other hand, we have the far-left. They are so opposed to anything on the far right that they will go to almost any lengths to impose their views on everyone in order to magically transform America into a ‘tolerant’, ‘progressive’, and all-embracing nation. In order to fulfill this idealistic state, they must: Act aggressively in their party to chase away the Democratic conservatives and moderates(and take full control of the Democratic party). Put a check next to that item; Legally and verbally assualt school systems, local goverments and the legal system through endless and COSTLY lawsuits, in order to get them to do what THEY (again, a minority)want them to do. Check that item off the list; Get a good hold on the media, and use it as a tool to attack the far-right, to attack anyone who publicly questions any of their ’sacred-cow’ issues, to paint the news, political issues and politics in general with their ideological hue (so as to slowly condition the public to the extreme left’s way of thinking). Well, check that item off the list; The only things this EXTREME minority has left to do is to keep doing what they are doing until they get enough power to impose their socio/political ideology on ALL OF US. Now, ANYONE with just a speck of logic and reason can see that all the media spin from both extremes, the causes of our Congress being stagnant, inefficient, and fractured, the causes of our economy being in a recession (it might be heading for worst), the cause of AVERAGE Americans being peed off and fed up with our goverment, and in alot of cases just plain fed up with evereything (Iam heading there myself), is because these two extreme MINORITIES, who hate each other, are manipulative, power-hungry, ideological nuts who use the rest of us (the MAJORITY) by dividing us along lines of race, gender, age, religion, and socio/political/economical status, and then play us against each other for THEIR OWN BENEFIT!!!!!!!!! OK, there I said it, and you can believe it or not, but guess what? When our country falls apart, I wont say “see, I told you so!” I’ll be too busy trying to find all the RATIONAL people I can find so WE can start over (if its possible)! And guess what else? I will be discriminating against ALL right-wing and left-wing nuts if they still cant see the truth! Keep dreaming your ideological dreams while you can you lefties and righties, because we all might be heading for a rude awakening.


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