ThinkFast: March 19, 2008
“At the outset of the Iraq war, the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion to oust Saddam Hussein, restore order and install a new government.” Now, five years later, the Pentagon says the cost of the war is “roughly $600 billion and counting” while economist Joseph Stiglitz “pegs the long-term cost at more than $4 trillion,” which he calls an “excessively conservative” estimate.
Marking the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war, President Bush will deliver a speech today at the Pentagon defending his decision to wage war. According to excerpts, Bush will say the war’s “high cost in lives and treasure” has been “necessary” and that the war’s successes are “undeniable.”
71 percent: Americans who think “U.S. spending in Iraq is a reason for the nation’s poor economy.” According to the new CNN poll, just 36 percent of the American public believes the “situation in Iraq was worth going to war over — down from 68 percent in March 2003, when the war began.”
32 percent: The number of Americans who approve of President Bush, down from 34 last month. The new Reuters/Zogby poll also finds that only 19 percent believes the country is headed in the right direction.
Former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, a surrogate for John McCain, told an audience that the religious right is “a serious problem.” “On the Christian hard right, I live in Charlottesville now and I can’t tell you I’m surrounded by it,” Eagleburger said. “I must tell you we fought it there, fought hard against it. There’s no question that in the Republican Party it is a serious problem.”
David Brody writes, “There’s a little whisper campaign out there among grassroots social conservatives who are concerned that John McCain may want to tamper a little with the language in the Republican Party platform when it comes to marriage.” McCain has denied that he will try to change the platform.
Yesterday, the FBI disclosed that it has launched criminal investigations against 17 companies “in the fallout of the subprime mortgage collapse.” Two Justice Department officials have confirmed that Countrywide Financial is one of the companies under investigation.
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) and Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) are introducing legislation “aimed at stabilizing financial markets by helping as many as 2 million homeowners avoid foreclosure.” The separate bills look to give the Federal Housing Administration “a key role in helping to renegotiate distressed mortgages and would provide up to $300 billion in guarantees to new lenders.”
19 percent: The portion of Americans who “believe the country is headed in the right direction,” according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released today. Pollster John Zogby says the recent poll, which measures the mood of the country, “was the first time all 10 of the measures used in the poll to take the temperature of the country were down.”
And finally: On Monday, viewers of the Charlie Rose show were “stunned” to see the “normally composed Rose looking like he’d just been in a bar fight.” He had a “very bad black eye and a bandage over part of his forehead.” (Pictures here.) According to the show’s producers, Rose tripped in a pothole while walking down the street. Carrying a new MacBook Air, he “made a quick (but ultimately flawed) decision while falling: sacrifice the face, protect the computer.” He then “hit the pavement face first.” The MacBook Air, however, is fine.
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American Petroleum Institute To Grant Congress Permission to Stop Funding Iraq War and Occupation
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/31900
March 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am“Marking the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war, President Bush will deliver a speech today at the Pentagon defending his decision to wage war. According to excerpts, Bush said the war’s “high cost in lives and treasure” have been “necessary” and that the war’s successes are “undeniable.””
What’s undeniable is that Bush is a thundering moron.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:01 amWhy couldn’t bush fall in a pothole?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:02 am“On the Christian hard right, I live in Charlottesville now and I can’t tell you I’m surrounded by it,” Eagleburger said. “I must tell you we fought it there, fought hard against it. There’s no question that in the Republican Party it is a serious problem.”
Well, duh! When you’re as tied to special interests as the Republican Party has beem, then those special interests drive the GOP agenda!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:04 amAnd finally: On Monday, viewers of the Charlie Rose show were “stunned” to see the “normally composed Rose looking like he’d just been in a bar fight.” He had a “very bad black eye and a bandage over part of his forehead.” (Pictures here.) According to the show’s producers, Rose tripped in a pothole while walking down the street. Carrying a new MacBook Air, he “made a quick (but ultimately flawed) decision while falling: sacrifice the face, protect the computer.” He then “hit the pavement face first.” The MacBook Air, however, is fine.
The sacrifice was worthy enough /Tech geek off.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:05 amBobwurst Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Why couldn’t bush fall in a pothole?
Because he can’t stay atop a bicycle long enough to get near close enough to one………
March 19th, 2008 at 9:05 amOK, so we have already spent 10 times more on Iraq than the initial estimate for the whole enchilada. And the total cost is now projected to be (conservatively) 60 TO 80 TIMES the initial estimate.
If we had a contractor give us a bid that turned out to be such a small fraction of the ultimate invoice, what would our reaction be? Why are we not outraged that this blunder is bankrupting us? And for what?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:06 amYesterday, the FBI disclosed that it has launched criminal investigations against 17 companies “in the fallout of the subprime mortgage collapse.” Two Justice Department officials have confirmed that Countrywide Financial is one of the companies under investigation.
But GiGi has earned a whole $5 bill from her investments in stocks the last year. Therefore, crisis doesn’t exist.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:06 amFrom the linked Yahoo News site:
“Clinton adviser Ann Lewis tacked to the right, criticizing Obama for saying he’d meet with the President of Iran and for suggesting that a US President needn’t have to echo the policies of the Likud Party in order to be “pro-Israel.” “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel,” Lewis said. “It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”
This just leapt off the page:
“The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel,” Lewis said.
You don’t say.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:07 amI thought the role of the president was to support the decisions that are made by the people of the United States.
Bush said the war’s “high cost in lives and treasure” have been “necessary” and that the war’s successes are “undeniable.”
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Translation: “I can’t deny the “successes” — even if I have to make them up. Anything to distract from the obvious fact that my administration will go down in history as the worst ever.”
March 19th, 2008 at 9:08 amWall Street rises 420 points yesterday on 3/4 rate cut.
Main Street rises 0 points on 3/4 rate cut. Future inflation gains promised.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:08 am(Charlie Rose)”….Carrying a new MacBook Air,….”
Maybe he thought he could fly with it…
March 19th, 2008 at 9:10 amNext we’ll be seeing padded helmets with all the necessary input jacks, headphones, and power points,
call it the Air Charlie.
Now, five years later, the Pentagon says the cost of the war is “roughly $600 billion and counting”
If this isn’t reason enough to get the hell out of Iraq, I don’t know what is. Do we really want to bankrupt our country in order to occupy another country against their will. There is something very wrong with this picture and I can’t understand why 30% of the people in this country can’t see it.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:11 amAccording to excerpts, Bush said the war’s “high cost in lives and treasure” have been “necessary” and that the war’s successes are “undeniable.”
I would like to see him or any troll here name one success that has come from the invasion of Iraq. And please, trolls, don’t say that AQ hasn’t attacked us in 6 years. AQ doesn’t need to attack us. They know that our country is being destroyed from within.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:12 amAccording to the show’s producers, Rose tripped in a pothole while walking down the street. Carrying a new MacBook Air, he “made a quick (but ultimately flawed) decision while falling: sacrifice the face, protect the computer.” He then “hit the pavement face first.” The MacBook Air, however, is fine.
“You shoulda seen the other computer….” ;-)
Cheers,
March 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am32 percent: The number of Americans who approve of President Bush, down from 34 last month. The new Reuters/Zogby poll also finds that only 19 percent believes the country is headed in the right direction.
Ok, talk about a disconnect. If 32% think Bush is doing a fine job and 19% think this country is headed in the right direction, that means that 13% of the people who like Bush think the country is headed in the wrong direction. Why do these 13% think the country is headed in the wrong direction? Do they think the tooth fairy is mad at us and therefore our economy and our infrastructure is hosed?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:16 amOT, but I just had to share this little morsel.
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2008/ 03/ 19/ national/ main3949353.shtml
March 19th, 2008 at 9:17 amBilboHussein,
If you’re going to take away strawmen, specious arguments, non-sequitors and ad-homimen attacks, all you’re leaving the trolls with is the crickets argument, (awkward silence)
March 19th, 2008 at 9:17 amSooner Fed bail-outs than the 1930s revisited
Put a clothes peg on your nose. The moral stench of bail-outs for the über-rich will be sickening. None of us wants to pay a farthing to rescue the bankers and assorted debt pimps who got us into this financial mess, and in doing so exposed our societies to such harm.
Most would rather relish the delicious moments of Schadenfreude as the bailiff’s gavel falls on their Gulfstream IVs.
Yet we must forbear. It was such sentiments that turned the 1930 recession into a slump. “Liquidationists” prevailed: they insisted with Puritan zeal - or malice - that speculators should be driven to the wall amid a cathartic purge of the Roaring Twenties.
Among them were top bureaucrats at the US Federal Reserve and some of Europe’s central banks. The consequence was the Brüning deflation in Germany, ushering in the Nazis. Democracies snapped across half of Europe. If it had not been for the towering figure of Franklin Roosevelt, America might have splintered into a bedlam of Prairie populists, Coughlan Fascists and Huey Long extremism.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ money/ main.jhtml?xml=/ money/ 2008/ 03/ 19/ do1902.xml
Pretty much everyone in the world is affectd by this and most see the writing on the wall. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:17 ammissmolly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:06 am
In this case, the constructor, contracted to repair the decaying roofing of our house in a term of a week, has decided by itself instead to dig a new cellar for the house of our neighbour, damaging the foundations, and billing us for both jobs, not even having finished them in a year, while our roof has holes the size of a football. After we communicate him that we want to switch contractors, he has made us sign a contract that obliges us to follow the digging in the cellar, and, of course, footing the bills of everything.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:17 amBush still has provided no direct proof of how the invasion of Iraq has helped improved the security outlook of the U.S.
There’s plenty of evidence, however, supporting the massive deterioration of Iraq.
This administration, for the last several years, has been a tragic late night infomercial of empty hype and a huge price tag_ an understatement.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:18 amRose tripped in a pothole while walking down the street. Carrying a new MacBook Air, he “made a quick (but ultimately flawed) decision while falling: sacrifice the face, protect the computer.” He then “hit the pavement face first.” The MacBook Air, however, is fine.
Save the MacBook!!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:18 amThe separate bills look to give the Federal Housing Administration “a key role in helping to renegotiate distressed mortgages and would provide up to $300 billion in guarantees to new lenders.”
I think that Bush and the Republicans are going to have a hard time opposing this legislation considering the fact that they just bailed out the predatory lenders to the tune of more billions than proposed here to help the homeowners.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:18 amHate Radio is doing all they can to amplify Obama’s Pastor’s sermons. They’re also insinuating Farrakhan is a close ally.
By doing this, they can be racist while claiming concern only about ‘the message’. It’s Rovian in nature, and typical of angry, racist white people.
It’s also disgusting, & wearing thin on many voters.
The Pope claimed the Iraq invasion was illegal. Would it be fair to start claiming all Catholics are at fault and, perhaps, violating their religion if they support the invasion? Of course not. But Hate Radio, et al, get away with this by disguising it as ‘legitimate concern’.
Are all Catholics guilty of perversion because their Priests sexually abused children? Of course not!
Are all Mormons guilty of polygamy? Of course not!
When ‘guilt by association’ becomes a standard, we’re all in deep trouble. Do you want to be judged by what someone you know said? I don’t think so.
This whole stinking affair smells of McCarthyism. Or, perhaps. McCainism.
Let’s get back to issues. If we do, McCain doesn’t have a prayer. Or, maybe that’s all he would have.
Hillary & Obama are both excellent candidates. Allowing Hate Radio to divide Democrats would be akin to letting Florida decide the 2000 Presidential race.
Let’s support unity & truth. Everything else will sort itself out.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:22 amIf we had a contractor give us a bid that turned out to be such a small fraction of the ultimate invoice, what would our reaction be? Why are we not outraged that this blunder is bankrupting us? And for what?
Since all the contracts for Iraq and Afghanistan are no-bid cost plus contracts the Bush Administration would just keep on paying. Because that’s the point of no-bid cost plus contracts. They are written to allow the contractor to rip off the taxpayer.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:25 amAND NEVER A MENTION OF YESTERDAY’S OBAMA SPEECH ON TP? WHAT GOES HERE?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:27 amBush said the war’s “high cost in lives and treasure”
Who uses the word “treasure” anymore these days? Does Bush fancy himself a pirate?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:28 amNevar Says:
“Clinton adviser Ann Lewis tacked to the right, criticizing Obama for saying he’d meet with the President of Iran and for suggesting that a US President needn’t have to echo the policies of the Likud Party in order to be “pro-Israel.” “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel,” Lewis said. “It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”
This just leapt off the page:
“The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel,” Lewis said.
You don’t say.
I thought the role of the president was to support the decisions that are made by the people of the United States.
I hope that this gets a lot of air play, but it probably won’t. Contrary to Hillary Rove Clinton’s whining, the press has pretty much ignored things like this that have come out of her camp.
I find this much more scary than anything Obama’s pastor had to say.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:29 amAGREED!
Still no mention of the latest Obama racist scandal or even yesterday’s propaganda speech letting Americans know that his main program is now RACE!!!
What a site!!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:29 amLeave us not forget, Pastor Wright was denouncing racism in America.
Those blowing a fuse about his message should ask themselves; do the words anger me or is it the fact I’m still racist’?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:33 amZimzone, good morning!
We’re going to have smarter people voting in this election. Hate radio will have to overstate their influence this time around. Issues to hate radio and its listeners are non-issues and funny jokes to the rest of us.
We have to make sure we make it to the polls in November!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:33 amtheswan Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:27 am
AND NEVER A MENTION OF YESTERDAY’S OBAMA SPEECH ON TP? WHAT GOES HERE?
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And what about Tibet?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:33 amgoon_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:31 am
To all of you “progressives” who attacked Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon, your chickens have come home to roost.
Goon, stop with the transparent lies. No progressive did anything of the kind. His flip-flopping? Yes. His poor animal care? Absolutely. His chickenhawk children? You betcha.
No one believes your lies, Goon.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:33 amMcCain op-ed in the Financial Times.
http://www.ft.com/ cms/ s/ 0/ c7e219e2-f4ea-11dc-a21b-000077b07658.html
Funny how the man can talk some sense when not trying to pander to the Base.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:34 amgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:31 am
To all of you “progressives” who attacked Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon, your chickens have come home to roost.
You mean his magic underpants are going to seek me out and destroy me , nitwit ?
BTW
Obama’s known Wright for a long time ; how do you explain McSenile’s pandering and solicitation for that jerkoff Hagee’s endorsement ?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:36 amJim Rogers on the Bear Stearns bailout
Published on Tuesday, March 18, 2008.
Bloomberg tracked down Jim Rogers somewhere in Asia and he was none too pleased with the way the U.S. government has been throwing its money around.
On why Bear Stearns was bailed out:
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5919
We will be standing in food and fuel lines while they drive their Mazeratis and ignore us. Let’s hope that Dodd is successful trying to make sure the “regular” folks get some help but I really don’t think there will be any help for us.
HT:Calibleu
March 19th, 2008 at 9:36 amgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:31 am
To all of you “progressives” who attacked Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon, your chickens have come home to roost.
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I don’t recall any progressives attacking Romney because of his religion. Most of us are fierce proponents of keeping religion and government separate, and Romney never claimed that he was going to bring God into the government, as Huckabee did.
Most of the criticism I heard about Romney’s faith came from the evangelical right wing of the GOP, not us.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:37 amgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:36 am
“Progressive” Sean Penn claims that “the end is near” for Fox News. But who do the American Public really choose to watch?
CABLE NEWS RACE MONDAY, MARCH 17, 2008
VIEWERS
FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,040,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,337,000
FNC GRETA 1,862,000
FNC SHEP 1,583,000
FNC HUME 1,508,000
CNN DOBBS 1,227,000
CNN KING 983,000
CNN COOPER 976,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 962,000
CNN BLITZER 839,000
CNNHN GRACE 663,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 604,000
O’Lielly’s average viewer age is 70 or 71 ; they want to see him “in action” with a falafel ……………..
March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 am31, McWars,
We’re going to have smarter people voting in this election. Hate radio will have to overstate their influence this time around. Issues to hate radio and its listeners are non-issues and funny jokes to the rest of us.
We have to make sure we make it to the polls in November!
Agreed. And good morning to you.
America has never seen as many youthful voters turning out, to date. These folks may be young, but they’re acutely award of the ‘bullshit factor’. I have a lot of faith that they’ll vote for a candidate on issues, not rhetoric or party.
If Republics had their way, America would only have one party.
One party.
Who does that remind you of, speaking of Tibet?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 amgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:31 am
How so, oh gooney_googoo?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 ammissmolly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Translation: “I can’t deny the “successes” — even if I have to make them up. Anything to distract from the obvious fact that my administration will go down in history as the worst ever.”
You seem to be forgetting that we gave the Iraqis a flat tax and massive deregulation. If the installation of Norquistnomics isn’t a “success,” then I don’t know what is.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:39 amAND NEVER A MENTION OF YESTERDAY’S OBAMA SPEECH ON TP? WHAT GOES HERE?
The people who own and run this site are Hillary supporters. Therefore they have a total ban on anything relating to both Hillary and Obama. That way they can’t be accused of being pro Hillary. It’s ridiculous and disingenuous at best. I wonder what they are going to do once Obama is the candidate? Are they going to continue to ignore him?
Obama’s speech was awesome and inspiring. I watched Countdown last night and they listed quotes from numerous conservative sources who concluded that the speech was powerful and insightful.
I have to say, though, that I was very sad to visit other blogs where I witnessed a ton of hatred and vitriol. Every post that was slamming Obama made it obvious that they had not even bothered to listen to the speech. They fostered lies like saying that “Obama admitted to hearing the hate speech that was played on the media for days and days”. He did no such thing. He admitted he had heard Wright say some controversial things that he disagreed with, but also said that happens in most churches across the nation. He roundly condemned the incendiary things that Wright has said as unhelpful and disenfranchising. It made me very sad to see that bigotry is alive and well in this country.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:39 amNone of the kids of Neocons cabal members were sent to fight these wars in either Iraq or Afghanstan and pay the price they told others to pay.
While Neocons plot and plan in an attempt to excute their PNAC manifesto plans for another war in Iran..they themselves want others to pay in lives and money.
Neocons sold this war as a success.
The majority of them are linked to Israel which is the total beneficiary of these wars.
Now we hear the same voices want a bigger war with Iran, using the same WMDS reasons again,suggesting they have the authority given to them to start another more bloody war.
With either McCain or Hillary in charge, the Neocons cabal should have no problem starting another war. Unless this Congress uses it Constitutional powers to do otherwise and stop their drive to war, we will then be sucked into another big war very soon.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:41 amA war neither we nor the world can afford.
Bilbo, I wish rfh could clearly see that Obama is the best candidate in this race.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:41 amTo all of you “progressives” who attacked Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon, your chickens have come home to roost.
Well, since I didn’t see any progressive attack Mitt Romney because he was a Mormon, I guess we don’t have to worry about the “chicken’s coming home to roost”. This idiot troll missed the part where it was the Republicans who were attacking Romney because he was a Mormon. All the progressives did was make fun of his Mormon beliefs like the underwear thing.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:42 ammcgigi is left with slim pickings for arguments today, she needs to pick up the pieces of strawmen long blown down. and speaking of men being blown, tell your husband to quit calling me.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:42 amOther missed stories:
High Court Starts Case Challenging D.C. Gun Ban
For the first time in nearly 70 years, the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday will enter the constitutional debate over the Second Amendment right to bear arms.
At issue is the nation’s strictest gun control law — Washington, D.C.’s ban on handguns. Only one other city in the nation, Chicago, has a law this strict, but if the District loses, it could imperil other less restrictive laws across the country — laws that ban machine guns, and assault weapons, for example.
and…
‘Space Odyssey’ Author Arthur C. Clarke Dies at 90
British science fiction novelist Arthur C. Clarke died Tuesday in Sri Lanka, where he lived for more than 50 years. He was 90 years old.
In December, Clarke recorded a message to his friends and fans, whom he said were asking him “how it feels to have completed 90 orbits around the sun.” He said he had no regrets.
Clarke suffered from post-polio syndrome. In the video he said, “being completely wheelchaired doesn’t stop my mind from roaming the universe.”
March 19th, 2008 at 9:45 amWhat about those of us who had nothing to say about his mormonism but did have a problem with his being a filthy rich, spoiled, pretty boy? Especially, I say especially, when most of the country consists of people who work for a living. Is there something wrong with wanting a leader who understands the plight of the common man? We’ve watched the coporations prosper, we have watched while our congress, both dems and repubs failed us on oversight while kissing lobbyist ass and making themselves rich or lining up jobs through the influence of their offices. Golf matches in Scotland, ol’ Denny Hastert’s lodge trips in Alaska with big oil and etc. Which reminds me, who is fronting the expenses for McClone to fly all over the world, while business at home in the Senate needs to be done?? I’ve got a guess; US!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:46 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:39 am
AND NEVER A MENTION OF YESTERDAY’S OBAMA SPEECH ON TP? WHAT GOES HERE?
The people who own and run this site are Hillary supporters. Therefore they have a total ban on anything relating to both Hillary and Obama.
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Yeah! And considering there is no reference to the true freedom fight going on in Tibet, then I must logically conclude TP is pro-China as well.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:49 amAnyone found a package of Hagee’s quotes yet?
If Hate Radio & Fux Noise continue to bleat about Pastor Wright, we owe it to them to ensure the general public hears some of Hagee’s comments, don’t you think?
March 19th, 2008 at 9:49 amFor goon_golly:
http://nbcumv.com/ release_detail.nbc/ msnbc-20070703000000-msnbccompletesseco.html
March 19th, 2008 at 9:54 amMcWars Says:
Bilbo, I wish rfh could clearly see that Obama is the best candidate in this race.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
There are a lot of people in this country who need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror. They would deny to their dying day that the are not racist, but reading the posts these people wrote, it is very obvious that racism is still rampant in this country.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:58 amYesterday, the FBI disclosed that it has launched criminal investigations against 17 companies “in the fallout of the subprime mortgage collapse.” Two Justice Department officials have confirmed that Countrywide Financial is one of the companies under investigation.
Breaking News: Bush asks for Congress to give amnesty to the “patriotic” mortgage companies.
/obvious snark
March 19th, 2008 at 9:58 amZimzone Says:
Anyone found a package of Hagee’s quotes yet?
If Hate Radio & Fux Noise continue to bleat about Pastor Wright, we owe it to them to ensure the general public hears some of Hagee’s comments, don’t you think?
It’s not just Haggee, it’s just about every evangelical preacher. I wonder why people aren’t ferreting out those quotes. We already know many of them like Falwell saying that 911 happened because America tolerates gays. What I would really like is for someone to come up with controversial statements that Huckabee said from the pulpit. That would be very powerful.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:00 amdim wit Says:
Yeah! And considering there is no reference to the true freedom fight going on in Tibet, then I must logically conclude TP is pro-China as well.
Dim wit, you are continuing to sound like a troll. I hereby elevate you to troll status.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:01 amBush doesn’t need a pothole, a pretzel is threat enough.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:04 amgood_golly Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:36 am
“Progressive” Sean Penn claims that “the end is near” for Fox News. But who do the American Public really choose to watch?
CABLE NEWS RACE MONDAY, MARCH 17, 2008
VIEWERS
Your numbers must be for the ENTIRE WEEK, not one night. O’Reilly gets about 500K viewers each night, Olbermann 300K.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:04 amIt takes a big man to throw Grand Ma under the bus.
I expect this idjit is trying to say that Obama threw his grandma under the bus. Funny thing, I listened to the speech (something I doubt this idjit did) and all I heard was Obama speaking of his grandmother with proud affection and respect.
So, now we have two anti-Obama speech talking points. 1) Obama admitted that he heard Wright’s incendiary speech and 2) Obama threw his grandmother under the bus. I wonder what else they are going to come up with.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:04 amI hereby elevate you to troll status.
Surely you don’t “elevate” someone to a low level status, unless you actually look up to trolls.
And I agree with Dim.
TP has a very narrowly focused agenda.
If you don’t realize that, you’re all complete fools.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:05 amYour numbers must be for the ENTIRE WEEK, not one night. O’Reilly gets about 500K viewers each night, Olbermann 300K.
You will also notice that the disingenuous troll left out the ratings for network news. It only gave the cable news ratings. Network news leaves cable lying in the dust. But, cable is catching up.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:06 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Dim wit, you are continuing to sound like a troll. I hereby elevate you to troll status.
Well, he has a point. I mean, it’s not like the Obama speech suffered from a lack of press coverage. Just cause the top story of the day isn’t on Thinkfast doesn’t necessarily mean this site is backing a candidate.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:06 amI hereby elevate you to troll status.
Surely you don’t “elevate” someone to a low level status, unless you actually look up to trolls.
Ok, I delevate him to troll status.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:07 amWell, he has a point. I mean, it’s not like the Obama speech suffered from a lack of press coverage. Just cause the top story of the day isn’t on Thinkfast doesn’t necessarily mean this site is backing a candidate.
If it doesn’t mean that TP is backing a candidate, what does it mean? Why would a news blog totally ignore two candidates running for President?
March 19th, 2008 at 10:08 amgood_golly Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
There have undoubtedly been phenomelal improvements, but there is obviously still work to be done.
(“huck” huckabee… a progressive?)
March 19th, 2008 at 10:10 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:08 am
If it doesn’t mean that TP is backing a candidate, what does it mean? Why would a news blog totally ignore two candidates running for President?
Perhaps to stay out of the intra-party bickering and instead focus on knocking down McCain…
March 19th, 2008 at 10:10 amIt`s agood thing that the Democrats agenda has an America First agenda, like getting some health care and Rx coverage for the poor, helping main street instead of bailing out Wall Street,looking at the inbalance of trade and it`s illegal practices,getting people back to work and making this country proud and stand against REICH and there so called Christian driven agenda.”A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right”. By Thomas Paine.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:11 amthis site is backing a candidate.
Already thoroughly documented that the TP and the Center for American Progress is shilling for Hillary.
From CAP’s site:
The Center for American Progress is headed by John D. Podesta, former chief of staff to President William J. Clinton and a professor at Georgetown University Center of Law.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST? WHERE, WHERE I SAY WHERE????
/gags on snark
March 19th, 2008 at 10:11 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Dim wit, you are continuing to sound like a troll. I hereby elevate you to troll status.
- - -
Woo Hoo! I’m a troll. I’ll be under my bridge collecting tolls from all of those who want to cross it. 5 Pence, correct change only please.
Later today, on my troll agenda, I plan to make thinly veiled anti-Semetic remarks about Israel while simultaneously labeling people who don’t agree with Obama’s former pastor’s remarks as racists.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:15 amWell, that didn’t take much to quell the “this site doesn’t back anyone” foolish argument.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:22 amWayne Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Yesterday, the FBI disclosed that it has launched criminal investigations against 17 companies “in the fallout of the subprime mortgage collapse.” Two Justice Department officials have confirmed that Countrywide Financial is one of the companies under investigation.
Breaking News: Bush asks for Congress to give amnesty to the “patriotic” mortgage companies.
/obvious snark
March 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am———-
If we don’t give retroactive immunity to Countrywide Financial the terrorists will kill all of us.
DieNowForPeace Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Well, that didn’t take much to quell the “this site doesn’t back anyone” foolish argument.
Has Podesta officially endorsed Clinton? There are a number of former Bill Clinton staffers (and Hillary Clinton staffers, for that matter) who have endorsed Obama.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:26 amThe terrorists hate us for our fixed-rate mortgages!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:29 amHas Podesta officially endorsed Clinton?
Using deductive reasoning based on coverage here, YES.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:30 amPodesta, John D
WASHINGTON, DC
20016 Center for American Progress/Presid $2,300 04/19/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
LINK
Couldn’t find anything more current.
Convinced YET????
March 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amhappened on this, via google news… may be too much, but there’s plenty to choose from:
Daily Opinion Roundup
A selection of op-eds and editorials from the U.S. and around the world.
The Fed’s New Cut and McCain’s League of Democracies
March 19, 2008
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15752/
March 19th, 2008 at 10:39 amDid yall’s homework for ya:
Has Podesta officially endorsed Clinton?
See post my #76.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:40 amfrom a message i recieved from faiz:
We have not waded into the primary for tax status reasons. We cannot endorse, will not endorse, or give the appearance of endorsing. It has zero to do with hillary. I would love to be blogging on the primary quite honestly.
anyone can donate to any candidate.
there are other blogs out there…
March 19th, 2008 at 10:45 amDieNowForPeace Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Convinced YET????
Fair enough. Podesta’s a Clinton supporter. Doesn’t mean this site has a bias.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:48 amWe cannot endorse, will not endorse, or give the appearance of endorsing.
But the President of your PAC Faiz donated his LARGEST contribution to HILLARY one year ago.
Care to explain???????????
TP aka Shills for Hillary
March 19th, 2008 at 10:48 amkaty Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:45 am
from a message i recieved from faiz:
We have not waded into the primary for tax status reasons. We cannot endorse, will not endorse, or give the appearance of endorsing. It has zero to do with hillary. I would love to be blogging on the primary quite honestly.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am—————
TP doesn’t pay taxes? Is TP a church?
Doesn’t mean this site has a bias.
Oh good God, spoken like a water-carrying Hill-shill.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 amHey, I’m just trying to “enlighten” and point to hypocrisy RIGHT HERE ON YOUR BELOVED SITE.
Technically, no, the SITE doesn’t endorse, but those who work here do.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:51 amthere are other blogs out there…
Exactly, and the one with the clearest, focused agenda without hiding behind PAC money is Dailykos.com
March 19th, 2008 at 10:55 amTP is in the tank for Clinton, IMHO.
Although I also agree, the reason the only place talking about the most fascinating primary race in recent history is allowed is Thinkfast is TP wants to avoid any criticism of either Dem and focus their guns on McCain - it only makes sense, strategically. It also avoids the kinda stuff going on at Kos.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:56 amTP doesn’t pay taxes?
Not very progressive, eh? LOL.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:56 amah Eagleburgers, the fat bastard responsible for serbia killing anyone that he and the russians tell them to. This dirty traitor should have been in prison for life for war crimes. 500 lbs of rancid lard and it talks
March 19th, 2008 at 11:00 amBush: U.S. is safer because of Iraq war
Mmm, my morning crock of shit, right on time.
Yo, dipshit, don’t let the recession bite your drunken a$$ off.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:00 am#83 - DieNowForPeace Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am
“Oh good God, spoken like a water-carrying Hill-shill.”
Actually, most of the TP posts have been Sen. Obama “Obama-shills”.
It’s much better than Sen. McCain “Flip=flop-shills”.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amQuestion for DieNowForPeace:
Who are you water-carrying for? Who are you shilling for?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:04 amIt’s much better than Sen. McCain “Flip=flop-shills”.
Tru-dat. ABAR (anyone but a republican).
March 19th, 2008 at 11:05 amZimzone at 9:33 am
Leave us not forget, Pastor Wright was denouncing racism in America.
Those blowing a fuse about his message should ask themselves; do the words anger me or is it the fact I’m still racist’?
better still, and it worked on my ditto-head-inlaw:
what bothers you more - that he SAID it, or that it’s the TRUTH?
i knew this thing would bring on the howls from the bigots and racists…
and they are very talented at twisting the words to align with their beliefs…
imagine that…
March 19th, 2008 at 11:05 amWho are you water-carrying for?
Obama.
Might not get the nom, but by God, we cannot go on with “business as usual” which I’m afraid Hillary is “one of them”.
Change is needed. Bid change.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:06 amDieNowForPeace Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Oh good God, spoken like a water-carrying Hill-shill.
Did you just call me a Hillary supporter??
Now you’re just being silly.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:07 amNow you’re just being silly.
I know. Sorry.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:08 amTP doesn’t pay taxes? Is TP a church?
__________
If TP is a non-profit, they’re prolly barred from endorsing candidates.
Ever see any ads on the site?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am“The Center for American Progress is a non-profit, non-partisan organization under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue code.”
March 19th, 2008 at 11:16 amZooey,
March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 amI am very frustrated with the Zoo. I want to change my password to something I can remember, and I repeatedly lose the ability to log on.
It is just too exhausting to request a reminder, wait for a reply, plug it in, try to change it and have it go unrecognized.
Again, for clarity:
Podesta, John D
WASHINGTON, DC
20016 Center for American Progress/Presid $2,300 04/19/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Saying TP isn’t inclined to lean toward Hillary is akin to assuming Murdoch isn’t leaning toward McCain.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am‘Course, that doesn’t quite ’splain why they cover GOOPer screw ups so closely but not Dem ones…
I mean, I understand WHY they’re all over the GOOP…
March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am19 percent: The portion of Americans who “believe the country is headed in the right direction,” according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released today. Pollster John Zogby says the recent poll, which measures the mood of the country, “was the first time all 10 of the measures used in the poll to take the temperature of the country were down.”
Tie your horse to this cart, McStain. And whistle a merry tune whilst your candidacy plummets off the cliff.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:19 amI am very frustrated with the Zoo.
Don’t blame the Zoo, focus on the blog service known as Wordpress instead.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:19 amDieNowForPeace at 11:17 am
Again, for clarity:
Podesta, John D blahblahblah
Saying TP isn’t inclined to lean toward Hillary is akin to assuming Murdoch isn’t leaning toward McCain.
i bet you’re obnoxious and annoying in real life too…
have you forgotten that murdoch has helped hillary also?
like i said, ANYbody can donate to ANY candidate they want to…
March 19th, 2008 at 11:23 am.
#94 - DieNowForPeace Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 11:06 am
“Obama. Might not get the nom…”
98% probability of getting the nomination. Look at the delegate math, and how much yelling/screming/ranting/raving we’re hearing about how super-delegates should “vote the way their district voted!!!!”
I just wish that the majority of people would start concentrating on Sen. McCain and his pathetic record and massive flip-flop’s on every single issue.
ANY Democrat is better than Sen. McCain!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:24 ami bet you’re obnoxious and annoying in real life too…
Yes, but only when necessary. Facts don’t lie, but they can make one upset.
GOTCHA!
March 19th, 2008 at 11:25 amlike i said, ANYbody can donate to ANY candidate they want to…
You then wouldn’t mind if Hillary took money from the KKK.
Weird.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:26 amMarie Says:
Zooey,
I am very frustrated with the Zoo. I want to change my password to something I can remember, and I repeatedly lose the ability to log on.
It is just too exhausting to request a reminder, wait for a reply, plug it in, try to change it and have it go unrecognized.
Dial-up? Zooey complained about having to log-in every time, but I’ve never had that experience. It does seem that wordpress has an issue with dial-up accounts. It’s also possible that the problem is in your browser settings, because it should be retaining that information from session to session. Maybe try a different browser, or double-check your security settings to see if cookies are disabled.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:28 amSince TP won’t address the issues, it’s up to us.
Mortgage Broker - Political Campaign Contributions
(1999 to Present)
Hillary has taken much more money than Obama.
LINK
Who do you think will be more likely correct the mess in the mortgage industry? Someone whose pockets are lined with their special interests, or Obama?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amBilbo, I know you probably could care less what I think but you need to get down off of your high horse…You rail about actual trolls taking the thread off topic and then insist on attacking somone personally(calling someone a troll is a personal attack here)because they don’t agree with you is just not right.
Obama is the man but you are feeding the flames of devisivness in our party…..we need all of us to be together come november.
I do repsect your thoughts and opinion……I respect dim wit’s and others opinions too…..just sayin.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amThanks, gummitch, but I don’t have dial up - I have broadband. The zoo is the only site I have any problem with. I have tried the uppercase/lowercase entry they initially sent me. I wrote an email to their service. It is just too frustrating to deal with all that hassle.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:37 amIt should be simple, let me take a name, give me a password, let me long in with it, and then change it to something memorable.
Apparently wordpress and I are not speaking.
don’t put words in my mouth, dienow…
and don’t TWIST the facts…
YOU are the weird one…
and to think i almost posted an appology for getting personal…
March 19th, 2008 at 11:40 ammy first inclination was correct after all…
Fred Says:
Bilbo, I know you probably could care less what I think but you need to get down off of your high horse…
Yes, unless you change your screen name to Old Took. Otherwise, stick to ponies.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:45 amKeltoi Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 11:52 amok, I got it tracy2
fred, keltoi is NOT tracy2…
March 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amKaty….I don’t care.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pmthere is not much difference……they both come back and post endlessly in threads that have been abandoned by most…..
March 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm60 - Bilbo - I post on another site, and those EXACT same talking points have been beaten to death by the resident reichwingers.
I have to say, it’s truly creeping me out that these people ALL seem to say EXACTLY the same things ALL the time.
Jebus. It’s the friggin’ BORG. *shudder*
March 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pmAnnie! Naomi Wolfe book ordered and on the way…
March 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pmThe FDA under bush is failing us at every turn…..
19 deaths caused by contaminated heperin imported from China. I thought we made all of our own drugs….liars.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20080319/ ap_on_he_me/ heparin_fda
March 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pmKeltoi Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Annie! Naomi Wolfe book ordered and on the way…
Proof positive that Keltoi is not a troll: he ordered a book.
I think it’s mildly amusing that Fred chastises bilbo for calling people trolls, and regularly accuses Keltoi of being tracy2 or some other troll. Give it a rest, Fred!
March 19th, 2008 at 12:38 pmYOU are the weird one…
Thanks Katy. I don’t know what I’d do without your ability to pass judgment on others.
We are truly blessed by your presence!
March 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pmKeltoi - thank you for that. I’ll be very interested to hear what you think.
~A
March 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pmL. Hussein Annie Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Keltoi - thank you for that. I’ll be very interested to hear what you think.
~A
Me too! NO idea what to expect, really.
And Gummitch, don’t confuse me! Zooey convinced me to embrace my inner Troll, and I did so with a very satisfying primal Troll scream. Quite liberating.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pmFred at 12:04 pm
…come back and post endlessly in threads that have been abandoned by most…
yes, THAT is tracy… keltoi has learned to engage better…
there are times…
…
hey, thanks, dienow…
…
just finished reading this:
Obama speech brings range of reactions
i think it’s gonna be ok…
barack’s speech was just what we all needed…
now, if we can just make sure we get to the november elections…
March 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm…
gummitch it you read back through…keltoi made the first snide remark directed at me….I just responded in a snide way…..keltoi did start here as a self admitted proud troll….or am I confusing him with someone else….if so I apologize.
people do change though as katy points out….even Southernman is different. I have changed too….I no longer am looking for confrontations….
consideer it at rest.
March 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pmkaty Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Fred at 12:04 pm
…come back and post endlessly in threads that have been abandoned by most…
yes, THAT is tracy… keltoi has learned to engage better…
there are times…
…
hey, thanks, dienow…
…
just finished reading this:
Obama speech brings range of reactions
i think it’s gonna be ok…
barack’s speech was just what we all needed…
now, if we can just make sure we get to the november elections…
…
It’s not what I needed from him. He never explained why he lied about not having heard the minister’s controversial statements, about why he had such poor judgment in attending a church that would have such a negative influence on his children, and about why he feels this person is appropriate to be a spiritual guide. Instead he belittled the media and those that were offended by this blatant racism as simply not understanding the problem. B**sh*t. All I can say is I was right about him being to religious, too arrogant and too much like bush for my tastes, and that I’m happy I voted for Hillary in the primary! I hope he gets his *ss kicked by her in the rest of the states!
It’s not my fault, or the fault of white people, that he felt the need to follow a bigot as his personal spiritual adviser, and it’s not my fault he picked a homophobic ex-gay as his outreach to the gay community, and it’s not my fault that he continues to have such poor judgment. And I hopium that you don’t fall for yet another one of his lame speeches. I’m so over Obama. I just hope I’m not stuck with voting for him in November!
March 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm(emphasis added)
Ahh… the rallying cry of the modern white racist. They don’t even know they are racist when they are being racist. They just know that it isn’t their fault nor the fault of their race, for anything. Afterall, slavery was over a hundred years ago. Why should they care?
This is usually followed by comments by “my black friend” (who doesn’t exist) or comparisons to black people whose behavior they agree with.
Remember, kids, free speech is only allowed for candidates if nobody is ever offended, ever.
March 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmMarie Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Zooey,
I am very frustrated with the Zoo. I want to change my password to something I can remember, and I repeatedly lose the ability to log on.
It is just too exhausting to request a reminder, wait for a reply, plug it in, try to change it and have it go unrecognized.
I saw you at the Zoo this morning! :-)
I hope your troubles with Wordpress are over. Believe me, we’d love to have your wisdom there!
March 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pmrepublicans hate facts at 1:13 pm -
most of your comment was lies, the rest ignorant innuendo…
you are one sick paranoid hate monger… and that IS your fault…
you’re not helping.
March 19th, 2008 at 3:46 pm