McCain and Clinton’s passport files also breached.
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McCain and Clinton’s passport files also breached.
Yesterday, it was revealed that Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) passport files breached three times in the past three months. Today, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told “Sen. Hillary Clinton that the security of her passport file were breached in 2007.” In a State Department press briefing today, spokesman Sean McCormack said that Sen. John McCain’s passport info had also been accessed by one of the people who looked at Sen. Obama’s file.
UpdateRep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) sent a letter to Rice today requesting the name of the companies that hired the contractors that breached the files.
UpdateAccording to MSNBC's David Shuster, the employee who accessed both Obama and McCain's files was only suspended, not fired. Two other contractors were fired for accessing Obama's files.
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Oh hell, why doesn’t the State Dept. just own up to breaching every damn passport file in the system. Cripes.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:23 pmWell, Bush doesn’t need no stinking warrants, now does he. When the FBI looks into stuff like this, as soon as it leads to the White House (just like the Anthrax Mailings) they stop the investigation immediately.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:25 pmOoh Ooh! My passport was breached, too. Can I be president?
And this only after it seemed somewhat clear that the news of the Obama passport breach appeared to actually be helping Obama. I’m really just not buying it for some reason, but whatever…
Would I ever be notified of my passport info being breached?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pmRep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) sent a letter to Rice today requesting the name of the companies that hired the contractors that breached the files.
- - KBR, anyone?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pmSorry, Mr.Waxman.
That’s “executive privilege”.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:29 pmLOOK…
We live in a F@cking Police State now
OK
Of course.
Who has the power in the country?
**REPUBLICANS**
Dems cant even enforce a subpoena.
for the love god !!!!!
makes me sick.
( PS … the people who breeched Mccain’s data were the repubs who wanted romney to win… )
March 21st, 2008 at 12:29 pmContractors.
The same contractors that the Bush Administration brought on in 2007 to deal with a severe backlog of passport issuances that they could have planned for?
But didn’t.
Americans were waiting months for passports.
This is yet another crisis of their own making.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pmAt the rate this thing is building they’re going to pass it over to DOJ, where it will be squashed.
Does anyone think that this level of criminality, incompetence and aggressive politicization of all federal departments will end with a McCain administration? It will only further cement the Republican grip on government. He’s going to hire bazillions of former Bush staffers.
Welcome to the future: no recourse.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pmWhen the privacy of the powerful is violated, it’s a hot scandal. When the privacy of everyone else is violated routinely, the Administration will decry the reporting of it.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pmSee what happens when you outsource government?
See what happens when corporations rule?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pmYeah, act like it happens to everyone so that you can play it off as innocuous snooping. And, please don’t take us for fools.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pmThis private contracting of Government services is working out so well I’d like to see it expanded…
March 21st, 2008 at 12:33 pmSpecifically, I’m petitioning to be allowed to bid for the first private mint…
My rates are copmpetitive and I guarantee payment IN CASH one week after being granted the contract- it’s a no-brainer
Not to say that there may be something more to these breaches but we all know there are a number of private databases that contain far greater information on each of us. The information is entered and accessed by minimum wage clerks and these companies sell our information for profit. (Perhaps we should get a royalty, since we created the info).
I’m just saying that we should remind ourselves that if high-profile folks can’t prevent their private information from being accessed what chance do we have?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pmI’m sure KBR has an explanation for this.
“In opening the candidates’ files, the only intention of our contractors was to insert the KBR logo, as a courtesy.”
March 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pmWhy exactly is it that the breaching of Obama’s file comes out in the news one day (especially considering that this happened to him THIS YEAR) and then the news of Clinton’s file being breached (and McCain’s) comes out the next day when supposedly it happened to her first?
Something doesn’t smell right (as F-ing usual)
March 21st, 2008 at 12:36 pmQuestion now is which of the main presidental candidates have NOT had their passport files breached?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:37 pm“A State Department source said passport files contain scanned images of passport applications, birth date and basic biographical information, records of passport renewal and possibly citizenship information. ”
That info is already public or in the case of Soc Sec numbers (on the application) also on dozens of other databases ( Credit Card, Utility company, IRS etc).
If that’s all these files contain, no harm no foul excpet for the breaking of the rules.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:37 pmIf there’s more in the files than described here, that could be significantly different.
My big question is WHY anyone was looking at these files if their content is so innocuous? Just firing these guys is not enough, they have to be questioned thoroughly.
Yeah, exactly, they were giving us the KBR logo for free unlike when they F-ing CHARGED US excessive amounts of EXTRA MONEY because they demanded that all towels made for US Troops had to have the KBR logo which cost…I don’t even remember how much more it was, but it was a ridiculous amount.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pmBushCo is behind this, plain and simple.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pmGovernment gets more info from ChoicePoint.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:41 pmleftcoast Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Government gets more info from ChoicePoint.
It doesn’t have to make sense, leftcoast — this administration does what it wants to do. Period.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pmFrom Shuster/MSNBC
“Key questions: What made the Jan. 9 and Feb. 21 breaches of Obama more serious than the fall ‘07 breach of Clinton and the March 14 breaches of Obama/McCain? ”
Ummm, no caucuses back in September 07?
Ummm…wasn’t Clinton the de-facto Front Runner in September 07?.
I wonder, could this actualy be industrial espionage rather than political espionage? Some commercial interest just fishing for info on whover appears to be the most important candidate?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:46 pmHmmm…what do Obama, Clinton, and McCain all have in common? The obvious answer is that they are all running for president, and it’s understandable why one might jump to the conclusion that these breaches have to do with their candidacy. It shouldn’t take too much to check to see if anyone else who was still in the presidential race in 2007 (Edwards, Huckabee, Romney, Giuliani, etc.) had their passport files breached as well.
Ah — but what else do they have in common? Answer — they are all U.S. Senators. I would hope that an audit would be done to see what other Senators and members of the House of Representatives have received similar treatment. I have long entertained an outlandish theory that the reason Congress so willingly rolls over and plays dead for the White House (no matter which party is in “control”) is that they are all being blackmailed into submission by an executive branch who has totally unchecked access into the private records of (and the authority to spy on) anybody they want. What if that’s really true?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:52 pmPretty soon they will announce that that Teddy Roosevelt’s passport files were breached and then everyone will be fine about it again. I wonder how many other people that dear stupid condom will announce have been tapped? Maybe they will say king g’s papers were tapped, as they went down the toilet. Shooter’s passport isn’t in order, it doesn’t list his country of origin and the toxic chemicals within, certainly doesn’t show the country he works for.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:55 pmWant to make snooping in Obama’s passport file look innocuous? Simple. Just “discover” that McCain’s was snooped too. Funny how it was revealed only after the Obama-related intrusion hit the news. Just go back to one of the snoopers and tell them to suddenly “remember” that they looked in McCain’s file too.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:55 pmYes MhussienM,
What else don’t we know?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:55 pmJesus, I almost want to tell you to get out your tinfoil hat…until I realize that what you are saying makes perfect sense…
March 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pmjeesh what a joke this Bush government is
March 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pmsorry MM, there should have been a (snark) (/snark) around the tinfoil hat comment
March 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pmExactly VerbalKint (”although I was just gonna tell you to shut up…”)
It’s awfully convenient that as soon as the Obama breach hits the news, the very next day “Oh, sorry, McCain’s too. Nothing political going on, nothing to see here. State: No investigation or criminal proceedings needed…” And then through HRC breach into the mix…her’s happened in NOV ‘07 if I’m not mistaken, Barack’s first one happened in JAN ‘08…HRC doesn’t find out about her breach (and the state department somehow didn’t know about it) until conveniently one day after the breach of Obama’s file is released? COME ON!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 1:00 pmOkay, somebody help me out, I last filled out a Passport in 92. What info is available on your Passport record that isn’t easily available elsewhere?
I am not saying this is a good thing, but I am trying to process Missmolly’s comment at 24. What could you find in your Passport records - other than your travel records, but these three can’t go anywhere without people knowing - that would be blackmail material?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pmliberal traitor Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Exactly VerbalKint (”although I was just gonna tell you to shut up…”)
It’s awfully convenient that as soon as the Obama breach hits the news, the very next day “Oh, sorry, McCain’s too. Nothing political going on, nothing to see here. State: No investigation or criminal proceedings needed…” And then through HRC breach into the mix…her’s happened in NOV ‘07 if I’m not mistaken, Barack’s first one happened in JAN ‘08…HRC doesn’t find out about her breach (and the state department somehow didn’t know about it) until conveniently one day after the breach of Obama’s file is released? COME ON!!!
Very astute point. Something stinks.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:05 pmI have long entertained an outlandish theory that the reason Congress so willingly rolls over and plays dead for the White House (no matter which party is in “control”) is that they are all being blackmailed into submission by an executive branch who has totally unchecked access into the private records of (and the authority to spy on) anybody they want
Actually, I have little doubt that this is true. I believe that Karl Rove will turn out to be the J. Edgar Hoover of our time. Far too many people have done a 180 degree reversal on something big after going against this administration. I first started to believe this when Norman Schwarzkopf came out against the Iraq war, then recanted within 48 hours, after the administration had a little talk with him (this was immediately preceding the start of the war). One of the administration’s own team members revealed to Sixty Minutes that she was asked by Rove to dig up dirt on the governor of wherever that was railroaded into prison. Rove and others in the administration have undoubtedly been working with the FBI to blackmail people. Just look at how the resources the FBI expended to politically assassinate Elliot Spitzer.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:06 pmFire Condi now. She’s too busy buying shoes and politicizing her position. She’s clearly incompetent like the rest of herr dubyah’s corrupt and failed administration.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:12 pmRemember the Bogus accusations that Obama,as a child, attended a Muslim Madrassa. How would someone determine if he was in a country that even had Madrassas, when he was of the age to attend one???
March 21st, 2008 at 1:14 pmPerhaps by checking his PASSPORT FILES.
Whether or not this was nefarious remains to be seen — but this is an example of the gross incompetence, gross mismanagement and lack of accountability in this administration.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:15 pmRice has had to apologize to a number of people today — she and the entire administration owe Americans an apology not only for this latest development, but for years of incompetence and disregard for rules, for oversight and accountability.
If we don’t consider any of the other failures of this administration, but just the failures occurring within the administration itself, (its departments, its underlings, etc.) we can see enough to know that this is the most incompetent, scandalous, arrogant, lawless group running this nation than we have ever seen.
Go figure….reich-wingers protecting corporations and not individuals.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:16 pmSomething doesn’t smell right (as F-ing usual)
I agree. I suspect they are claiming the other two breaches to deflect the attention from the three Obama breaches.
Congress needs to demand an Independent Council to investigate this matter immediately. They cannot agree to a DOJ investigation now that it is clear that the DOJ is a wholly owned subsidiary of the RNC.
Congress, step up to the plate and do the right thing NOW!
March 21st, 2008 at 1:19 pmCOVER UP
McCain is the spin to make it look like the repulsives were NOT involved in spying on Obbama two says ago and also keeps Clinton out the picture
March 21st, 2008 at 1:21 pmHuffPo is trying to pin this on Clinton, headlining that Maury Harty was the Clinton appointed Consular Affairs Chief “Im charge during the breaches”.
“Harty was an Ambassador to Paraguay under President Bill Clinton.”
BUT “Harty began her State Department career in 1981. She worked for the Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush administrations until she resigned February, 29.”
So if any political loyalties influnece her, it would be the Republicans would it not?
Besides, according to Shuster the contractor supervisors did not report the breaches ‘up the ladder’.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pmKeltoi Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I am not saying this is a good thing, but I am trying to process Missmolly’s comment at 24. What could you find in your Passport records - other than your travel records, but these three can’t go anywhere without people knowing - that would be blackmail material?
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I can’t understand the validity of travel records as blackmail material, either. Furthermore, it would be difficult for any Senator (or public political figure) to take any trips on the sly.
So why would somebody want to or need to breach the passport records of somebody else? Here are some possibilities (and I’m sure other posters can add other ideas):
1) When “digging up dirt” on somebody, a good starting point is by looking up their travel records, since that can give one directions to look in. It’s doubtful that a passport record would have damaging dirt itself, unless you went back to before that person was a public figure. Maybe they went to Communist USSR as a teenager.
2) If hacked into with editing capability (not just viewing capability), damaging changes could be made (even though they could be refuted fairly easily, that could still make for some bad press).
3) Curiosity on the part of a bored staffer who didn’t have enough real work to do.
4) Other possibilities?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:24 pmEither we, as Americans, stand by and let the steamroller crush us all or stand up to the illegal transformation of our country into a ‘rovian’ police state. The future is up to us.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:26 pmThe banner at the bottom of Stanley Associates page reads: “Stanley Awarded $570 Million Contract to Continue Support of Passport Program”
March 21st, 2008 at 1:28 pmCEO Phil Nolan is a regular contributor to Lieberman’s and other Republican’s campaign funds http://dirtdiggersdigest.org/archives/17
Okay, somebody help me out, I last filled out a Passport in 92. What info is available on your Passport record that isn’t easily available elsewhere?
I am not saying this is a good thing, but I am trying to process Missmolly’s comment at 24. What could you find in your Passport records - other than your travel records, but these three can’t go anywhere without people knowing - that would be blackmail material?
I heard on the news last night that the passport records include comments made by the people in the USA and the country that the person was visiting. These comments are frequently about suspicious that the people processing visas have for people traveling. Apparently Obama’s passport file is very large since it contains records starting from when he was 7 years old.
I expect that the people accessing Obama’s records were looking for some damaging statements or trying to prove that he went somewhere that could be considered suspicious or “un American”.
I don’t buy the BS about McCain and Clinton’s files being accessed too. It’s way too convenient.
Congress needs to act NOW before this becomes a very big cover-up. They need to know who the contractors were hired by and who the contractors are. Then they can subpoena the contractors to testify before Congress.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:31 pmCongress needs to act NOW before this becomes a very big cover-up. They need to know who the contractors were hired by and who the contractors are. Then they can subpoena the contractors to testify before Congress.
A nice sentiment, to be sure. But don’t hold your breath. The administration is up to their collective eyeballs with scandal. In their eyes, this one probably doesn’t even measure up to any attention whatsoever. And I wouldn’t count on our brave, illustrious MSM to try to uncover the truth.
Maybe another ’sternly worded’ letter will do the trick.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:35 pmI don’t buy the BS about McCain and Clinton’s files being accessed too. It’s way too convenient.
The contract employees who accessed Obama’s files were FIRED.
The contract employees who accessed Clinton and McCain’s files were NOT FIRED.
Why would that be the case??
March 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm4) Other possibilities?
A contractor who is greedy could look at finding information on Obama to possibly be worth money to someone (like the RNC or Hillary Rove Clinton).
We need to know who these people are NOW and to investigate them to find out why they did what they did. We also need to know why one person was not fired even though they accessed Obama’s records.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:42 pmSee, if we privatized more government services, quality would be better, it would cost less, and be more secure… errr…. oops.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:43 pm[/sarcasm]
“I can’t understand the validity of travel records as blackmail material, either.”
Passport info alone, maybe not, but perhaps one could make the case that this, along with other records that don’t have a “trip-wire”, were accessed to build a profile.
Bush has already admitted to data-mining all kinds of useless information on the American people. Their thinking could be that you never know when some of that information could become useful.
Again, it’s just speculation, but something obviously isn’t right here.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:55 pmRe #47: BadgerSays says:
Beacsue that’s not exactly the case. There were 4 breaches involving 4 employees. Breach #1 (Nov ‘07 - Clinton) occurred during a training exercise and the employee was not fired. Breaches #2 & #3 (Jan 9 & Feb 21 - Obama) resulted in the firing of the 2 employees responsible. The employee responsible for Breach #4 (Mar 14 - Obama and McCain) was not fired.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:22 pmThis is getting to funny when the liars can’t keep what with the lies. Now everyone knows when Bill ran for President the Republican controlled State Department looked in his file illegally. Now one day it’s reported Obama then to cover up the political spying the State Dep. adds McCain and Hillary. Even a blind person could see this is a cover up. This election will get more dirty and racist as Republican will even kill to stay in office to continue to steal and commit crimes. The oil is more important than even Americans or Soldier with this White House.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:26 pmWhy even release any of this information now? Apparently it was covered up for several months. Why make it public? Who blew the whistle that Obama’s records were peeked at and why?
According to an NPR report, there is an automatic detection system in place, which is how the breaches were noticed in the first place. But reportedly, the breaches were not passed up the ladder until just yesterday. Why then? I don’t get it.
As for McCain and Clinton having suffered the peeking too, I don’t buy it. Those breaches either occurred earlier or at the same time so if they were real, why was only Obama’s brought to the attention of the top levels of the State Department and the other two a good 24 hours afterwards?
March 21st, 2008 at 2:34 pmOK I stand corrected. 2 out of three of the employees who accessed Obama’s files were Fired.
NONE of the employees who accessed McCain’s or Clinton’s files were fired. The one employee who Accessed Obama And McCains files was NOT Fired. WHY NOT?
Obviously, a Judgement was made as to the Seriousness or Innocense of the Accessing.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:35 pmV. Interesting
HUFFPO has a prominent post titled Maury Harty: State Dempartment Official In Charge During Breaches An Ambassador Under Clinton (posted 1.19 am March 21)
“Last night, MSNBC noted a Clinton connection to the story that Barack Obama’s passport had been breached. The network reported that Maura Harty, the State Department official in charge of the Bureau Of Consular Affairs during the first two breaches of Obama’s passport, had served as an ambassador under Bill Clinton.
Today, the State Department confirmed Hillary Clinton and John McCain’s passport files had also been breached.
“Harty was a Consular Affairs Chief until the end of last month when she retired from foreign service work. Before her stint as the Assistant Secretary of State of Consular Affairs, Harty was an Ambassador to Paraguay under President Bill Clinton,” MSNBC reported.
Harty began her State Department career in 1981. She worked for the Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush administrations until she resigned February, 29.”
So that deflates the Clinton operative implication doesn;t it?
As of 1.40 pm today there has been no update to the story, even though it also bee reported that the breaches were not
reported up the chain of command.
There IS a new Update Post top right which notes Clinton. McCains Passports breached”
As Arianna is complaining (justifiably) about BillO’s attacking of Ariann and Huffpo for its comments rather than the content of the posts and throwing “fair anb balanced back in his face. I submitted a comment that the Maura Harty Breach post was deliberate misrepresentation and at least she had control over THAT and when was it going to be changed to reflect the truth rather continue prominently displaying the innuendo.
I didn’t swear or use any invective. I did note Arianna is an ex-Republican.
My comment was NOT APPROVED–even though plenty of other commenters have remarked that the story as presented is a stretch.
Of course I challenged Arianna directly to take respnbility for the post. Guess her staff didn’t like that.
They did allow a follow up though :
“I note also the choice to feature Sam Steins “Clinton Ethics” piece directly below the “Maura Harty” dsitortion . Coincedence?”
Ariana always impresses me when I see her on TV in a hostile environment, relaxed and sharp. But I really think she’s got a personal beef with Clinton–at least the HUFFPO never misses an excuse to work against Hillary, no matter how tenuous the reason, and Arianna clearly does nothing to discourage that.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:47 pmback to this thread:
apparently all the info in the passport file can be found in dozens of other databases so what’s unique?
Answer: Passport number.
Now waht can be done with that? Can that be used to plug in to another database. It would be a very uncommon “keyword” or identifier that might not raise any electronic flags in another system—of course that would mean there would have to be field allowing the search term.
This may all be much ado about nothing other than contractors breaking the rules.
But if not, maybe the passport numbers are the key? If so, what are the locks that they open?
Aah, it’s probably nothing.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:58 pmSomehow, I suspect that they just SAID they went into all three candidates files to avoid the look of spying being done for political gain. Yes.. I am that cynical.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:31 pm@missmolly
A SSN opens a whole can of worms. Been charged for a little gay PPV? Dined at a restaurant that has nefarious political connections? Just about anything can be dredged up with enough time along with the passport file info.
And wow TP your hillary-worship rears its ugly head once again. Her ONE file breach was IMMEDIATELY reported (it was an accident during employee training). Leaving just Obama and McCain. I’m putting my money on a clintonian having done the deed.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:42 pmYou expect confidentiality with contractors? I’ve been working as a contractor in the private sector for the last nine years. You can do all the security background checks and sign all the confidentiality agreements you want. With the number of contractors being used in the public and the private sector, there is no such thing as internal security anymore. It’s just not possible. There’s too many people going through the revolving doors. If you use contractors in your business, your company information is pubic property. Count on that.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:48 pmThis is a lie to diffuse the fact that they were targeting Obama.
FC
March 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pmExactly! A lie.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pmThey added McCain’s name to throw smoke over the whole mess.
Where’s the proof?
I hope this will shut people up saying that HILLARY is behind it!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:35 pmBadger Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I don’t buy the BS about McCain and Clinton’s files being accessed too. It’s way too convenient.
The contract employees who accessed Obama’s files were FIRED.
The contract employees who accessed Clinton and McCain’s files were NOT FIRED.
Why would that be the case?
I agree, this definitely doesn’t pass the sniff test.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pmThe claims about Clinton and McCain seem to be last minute add-ons for damage control or to allay suspicion.
The State Department are the last people you can expect to be telling the truth.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pmNormally this would have been immediately referred to their Inspector General, who was ‘Cookie’ Kongard.
However ‘Cookie’ put on one spectacular performance when he got caught lying about his brother, Buzzy being on the board at Blackwater in front of one of Waxman’s committees.
He resigned days later to avoid being called to testify again.
THIS WAS THE GUY IN CHARGE OF CONDUCTING INVESTIGATIONS AT THE STATE DEPT. It was widely reported that he was doing the opposite.
As the old Sicilian saying goes, the fish stinks from the head. Condi’s a VERY good liar, very convincing, but still a pathological liar.
The benefactors of the privatization trend are beholden to those who bestow the zillion dollar contracts. They do what they are told, with no fear of reprisal.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pmMake that the recipients are beholden to their benefactors.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pmLAst night Bathtub Boy Olbermahn was close to having an orgasm as he thought (hoped!) that this breach was done by the evil George Bush and hoped that it would take the heat off the Obama scandal!
Only one problem!! There was no big hidden secretive plot by the evil Mr Bush to destroy Mr Hussein! Some idiots just wanted to see what was in all three candidates files!!
Will comedian Olby apologize tonight???
One guess!
HA!!
March 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pmAnd the Righties claim that we can trust Bush (er, the NSA) to not snoop into ordinary Americans’ lives re: the warrantless wiretapping program.
Uh-huh.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pm>I agree. I suspect they are claiming the other two breaches >to deflect the attention from the three Obama breaches.
I second your agreement. They cant have Obama looking like a a victim or a martyr… a fascinating struggle on a grand chessboard is being played out here….it literally is the people versus the machine…obama is no saint, but if he wins, I beleive alot of scumbags and parasites in suits are going to lose their golden eggs and many will go to jail, so he has my support…
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:36 amBush and his WAR CRIMINALS need to be in Gitmo until they DROP DEAD and go to be with their MASTER Satan, and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING.
President Obama needs to ARREST the TRAITORS who are Bush, Cheney and the PNAC for TREASON, GENOCIDE and WAR CRIMES.
March 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm