Rove: A ‘Win’ After More Years In Iraq ‘Will Rally The Muslim World To Us’
Rove: A ‘Win’ After More Years In Iraq ‘Will Rally The Muslim World To Us’
On Fox News’s The O’Reilly Factor last night, former Bush adviser Karl Rove defended the invasion of Iraq five years ago, saying that “if we win,” it “will send a powerful message throughout the Islamic world.” Claiming that “the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict” between “al Qaeda” and “the West,” Rove argued that a continued U.S. presence could create “energy for reform throughout the Middle East.”
“By winning, we will send a powerful message that the momentum is on our side,” said Rove. “And it will rally the Muslim world to us.” Watch it:
Citing Princeton academic Bernard Lewis — who argued before the war that “that regime change in Iraq would provide the jolt needed to modernize the Middle East” — Rove is pushing the “democratic domino” theory that many of the Bush administration neocons pushed before the war.
But he ignores the fact that America’s presence in Iraq has weakened democracy in the Middle East. In September 2007, Brookings Senior Fellow Shibley Telhami wrote that “in every public opinion poll I have conducted since 2003 most Arabs believed that the Middle East had become even less democratic than it was before the Iraq War.”
Additionally, according to a 2007 BBC poll, global opinion of America continues to plummet each day troops remain in Iraq:
Telhami writes that “the very American policy that was said to be aimed at spreading democracy increased the conditions that terrify the public and reduced the attraction of democracy itself.”
Transcript:
O’REILLY: Continuing now with Fox News analyst and former Bush advisor Karl Rove. Five years ago, American forces were achieving a stunning victory in Iraq, overwhelming Saddam’s forces in just 22 days. Since that time, things have gotten a lot tougher. Nearly 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq. More than $400 billion has been spent. The polls say about two thirds of Americans do not feel the war has been worth it, including 27 percent of Republicans. So Mr. Rove, can you persuade people that it has been worth it? Here is what people say to me all the time. We do not understand, for all the blood and treasure spend, how this is making us safer. How exactly our presence in Iraq is making us safer. They do not understand it, even five years after the action. So what say you?ROVE: Remember, we removed, as you said, Saddam Hussein in 22 days. But then the enemy, the al Qaeda extremists decided to make the central battlefield in the global war on terror. This will be worth that if we win. If we win we will have dealt the enemy a huge blow in a battlefield they chose to confront us on.
And it will send a powerful message throughout the Islamic world. I think Bernard Lewis of Princeton is accurate. That the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict. Is it going to be the West or is it going to be al Qaeda? And by winning, we will send a powerful message that the momentum is on our side. And it will rally the Muslim world to us. It will also create a huge influence in the Middle East. Think about the creation of the democracy in the Middle East with the third-largest oil reserves in the world. If we have a functioning democracy in Iraq, that is an ally in the war on terror, a counterweight to mullahs Iran and to Assad in Syria, this will create a very hopeful center of reform and energy for reform throughout the Middle East.
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Crusader karl is at it again.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pmAh, the domino theory. That was the bullshit they used to expand the Vietnam war, wasn't it? So, again, the right side only has lies and obfuscation to lean on. Yeah, KKKarl keep talking. I think your mother is calling for you.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pmKarl is political hack and smear artist not a military advisor.
One could get better Iraq advise from Dana Perino.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:47 pmThis is Crazy Talk !!!
12 billion of month ......
WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THAT HERE IN THE USA !!!
We are NOT going to win SH1T in Iraq.
Get over it!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmDenial is not just a river in Egypt, Karl. Jeez, even "Bush's brain" should be able to tell that sounds bat shit crazy.
-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
March 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmSo, when will he be heading over to Iraq to help out? He must, like Bush, believe being on the front lines is romantic! Then again, it would not be fair to the troops to dump the two losers Bush and Rove on them. The troops have enough to deal with.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:49 pmAnd since Saudi has the highest number of insuregents in Iraq shouldn't it be Saudi Al Qaeda versus the west?
March 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pmWho in the world does Rove think he's kidding? Is he equating the United States to the New York Mets? And he thinks our fan base will increase if we just win some more games? Does he REALLY think that mideastern Muslims are as fickle as fair-weather sports fans and they are just waiting to see who best to cheer for?
He has demonstrated in probably the clearest terms yet why the Muslim world isn't exactly wild about us. He obviously has no clue as to why we are unpopular, and doesn't even consider it all that important to find out why.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pmKarl Rove is the best example of a wasted human being as anyone could find. He deserves the right side, and the right side deserves him. Together they all make for a bumber crop of stupid. Karl is not a happy man - he is a cancer on the ass of America.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:53 pmWhat part of reality do these criminals not understand? And by the way, Deserter Bush and Five Deferments Dick are doing a heck of a job destroying democracy right here at home.
Besides, Rove is a Treasonous Pig for outing Plame.
Bush/Cheney
March 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pmHague Trials '09
themanwhoisamoron
We all know you are a moronic LIAR, spread your brand of stupid elsewhere.
Reported.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:58 pmwhat is "theasswiththetedioushandle" still doing around here?
March 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pmRove is a LIAR and TRAITOR like MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
BURN for ETERNITY, MURDERERS!
John McCain is a TERRORIST and a Senile traitor...
COOL LINK!
McBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pmobxnoxious fool.
get a life dude.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pmI hope when they get to Paraguay to escape trials for WAR CRIMES, they are WATERBOARDED by the local Paraguayans.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:01 pmIf it's not too much trouble, Karl, could you possibly see your way to defining what would constitute "winning"? And - dare I ask - could you tell us how these objectives are to be achieved?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:03 pmI'm betting this troll is about 15 years old.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pmBut never mind the troll. Karl doesn't believe a word he is saying. He is a lying psychopath. He is only spewing lies in an attempt to keep the base together through the next election, in a desperate bid to keep out of prison.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pmKarl is still drunk on the Kool Aid. The rest of us have the hangover.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pmRove is either delusional or maybe he just thinks we are stupid enough to believe his fairy tales.
1) He is now spinning the myth that "Al Qaeda extremists decided to make the central battlefield in the global war on terror" after Saddam Hussein was deposed. No -- the conflict began with a civil war between Sunni and Shia as both sides struggled for power, and the resulting chaos created opportunities for foreign mercenaries and insurgents. Most of the foreigners are in it for the money, but some just resent the presence of the Americans and want them out. Only a small percentage of the violence over there has anything remotely to do with "The Global War On Terror".
2) He still thinks this is a conflict that can be won. What do we have to do to "win"? Sit down with the leadership of Al Qaeda and hammer out a peace treaty or some kind of surrender document? Yeah, like that will happen with this disorganized bunch with several different leaders. Or maybe he thinks we will have won when we kill every last one of them? How will we know when that has been accomplished? It's not like they wear ID tags. Besides, our occupation is creating insurgency recruits faster than we are knocking them off. The best case scenario might be a stalemate where we remain there perpetually, knocking off anyone who looks like a threat and then branding them "Al Qaeda." That's basically where we're at now.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pmYou sir are a liar. Many progressives support the palestininan struggle against israelie oppression.....
What you deviously call a manifesto was:
Everyone should flag the troll until he is gone.....he was threatening violence on the thread:
TX councilman: Immigrant detention center is a holding pen for wetbacks
March 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pmPaying attention to Karl Rove at this point seems to me to be like the pointless exercise of taking a mixing bowl and throwing in flour, water, chocalte sprinkles, Lucky Charms, Crisco and Legos, then mixing it all together.
The first time, you know it will be something you will wind up throwing away, but you're childishly curious to see what it will look like.
After that, you know what it will look like, and you will have wasted all those Legos. So why waste the time and the resources?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pmRove: A ‘Win’ After More Years In Iraq ‘Will Rally The Muslim World To Us’»
BwaaaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaaa (Wiping tears of laughter)
Thanks for the dose of humor TP!
March 21st, 2008 at 6:12 pmCiting Princeton academic Bernard Lewis — who argued before the war that “that regime change in Iraq would provide the jolt needed to modernize the Middle East” — Rove is pushing the “democratic domino” theory that many of the Bush administration neocons pushed before the war.
"Democratic domino theory"?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:13 pmHow does that work?
You bomb and invade countries to convert them to Democracy?
Who's the idiot who wants to take credit for that one?
We have massacred an innocent country, killing hundreds of thousands, displacing another million... we have tortured and raped the population and we are going to continue until we can convince this population this is democracy and you WILL go along with it?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:13 pmThis IS all about the multi national corporations PNAC and THIS.
Thank you TP for kicking themanwhoisamoron, no need for trouble makers on this site.
XXXXOOOOO
March 21st, 2008 at 6:16 pm"And it will send a powerful message throughout the Islamic world."
You bet it will Karl. To be followed by blowback in a little while.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pm“the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict” between “al Qaeda” and “the West,”
For crying out loud. The war between "al Qaeda and the West" is in AFGHANISTAN and we are losing that miserably almost entirely because we diverted troops and resources to an unnecessary war in Iraq!!!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pmCal Malenky Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Karl is still drunk on the Kool Aid. The rest of us have the hangover.
Karl has no choice. This is one sick cat, as anyone who has learned of his family background and his start in politics knows.
This guy has some SERIOUS issues.
BTW, I noticed guys like Rove and Joe Scarybourough spend an awful lot of time in midtown Manhattan studios for guys who left government work in a rush to "spend more time with their families".
March 21st, 2008 at 6:19 pmI think it is good to keep a few trash-talking trolls around, just to demonstrate what a bunch of whack jobs Bush supporters are.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pmPseudonym Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
“the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict” between “al Qaeda” and “the West,”
For crying out loud. The war between “al Qaeda and the West” is in AFGHANISTAN and we are losing that miserably almost entirely because we diverted troops and resources to an unnecessary war in Iraq!!!!!
yeah, much of the world considers us violent, hypocritical, dangerous and lacking in common sense for invading a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 and burying ourselves in debt, mortgaging our future and trashing our economy in the process.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pmmissmolly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Rove is either delusional or maybe he just thinks we are stupid enough to believe his fairy tales.
He's had pretty good luck playing to stupidity; no reason for him to change tactics now. I don't think he believes any of this tripe, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is that the mouth-breathing FauxNews audience believes it.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pmMr. Cheney,
As always...please define winning? Is it when every Iraqi is gone from their homeland? When one or the other sect is obliterated? When every man woman and child in Iraq has cholera? When??????
And how do you explain the FACT that Al Queda has only become a force in Iraq after you invaded Iraq????
sheesh...do you think we only watch Faux News...do you think that none of us read or go on line?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:28 pmHey Rove... IT IS CALLED STEALING.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pmFirst of all Bernard Lewis is a racist anti-Arab and Zionist- loving extremist. AS for Rove well.....his name is turd blossom isnt it?
March 21st, 2008 at 6:33 pmKarl Rove looks as stupid as he sounds. The World knows this illegal invasion was about oil only. There is no winning it's stealing that the White House wants of the Iraq oil. Now if any Americans buys the bull Karl is selling then they will buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:39 pmBush's brain is a peanut.
Great move invading Iraq, Rove. You managed to make yourself look worse than Saddam. Are we the civilized world or the Wild West? You loon.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:45 pmThis is just too much. How can any journalist, working for any media in the country stand by and allow these kinds of lies without repudiating them.
The world is not watching to see who wins......we have already lost. They are watching to see if we are going to snap out of it and do something smart for a change or if we are going to keep throwing our unreasonable tantrum until we destroy ourselves.
I agree with flavorino as to what the world thinks of us:
We chose the place and Al Qaeda is kicking our asses in Afganistan becaue we are in Iraq....
March 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pmVerbalKint
I don't mind the opposite side coming here and showing us what backwards thinking is all about, but ones like "themanwhoisamoron" are simply here to spam post moronic crap. Those types really are needed, they don't have any thing to contribute at all.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pm"really aren't needed" my bad.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pmJackie Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Now if any Americans buys the bull Karl is selling then they will buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
Well, the polls are giving McBush pretty fair numbers, even though he is visibly running on the neocon ticket as a third term for the Bush Dynasty. We will have to see how they think after the Dem. nominee is picked. It just might be a good idea to invest in some
March 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pmGot left off of #41 above.
shares in the Brooklyn Bridge.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:49 pmIt is a pretty thin line between "backwards thinking" and "moronic crap", especially when it comes to Bush supporters. Really, what Rove is saying here isn't a whole lot smarter than what the troll says. Just enough better that the stupid troll believes it.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pmDominos??? Lebanon has gone to Hezbolah. Gaza has gone to Hamas. Iran and Russia are rolling in petrodollars ( soon to become petroeuros). The Saudi's cut oil production to keep oil above $100 a barrel. Al Qaeda is safely planning the next 911 in the caves of Pakistan.
Karl...momentum is not on our side.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:51 pm#44 sums up the situation perfectly. Trolls, pay attention.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pmVerbalKint Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
It is a pretty thin line between “backwards thinking” and “moronic crap”, especially when it comes to Bush supporters. Really, what Rove is saying here isn’t a whole lot smarter than what the troll says. Just enough better that the stupid troll believes it.
Bush supporters are totally different from the neocons who are spouting this stuff. The neocons know exactly what they are saying and what they are trying to achieve by same. It is not “backwards thinking” or “moronic crap”. It is a carefully laid out program. I think it is an error to not recognize this and believe instead that bush et al, is stupid or simply incompetent.
That we see their plan as crap doesn't mean that they don't. In fact, a good con man knows intimately the crap he is laying on the mark (Bush supporters). And like it or not Rove is a good con man. However, like most con men their schemes usually fall apart at some point and Rove's has done just that. Fallen apart.
They are playing a numbers game. Trying to reconvince the gullible public to believe in their cause once again. Nothing stupid or crazy about that. Just morally, ethically wrong and totally bankrupt,
March 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pmClaiming that “the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict” between “al Qaeda” and “the West,”
The problem is that we are not fighting al Qaeda in Iraq. We are fighting Sunni and Shiite insurgents. People who are trying to force us to stop occupying their country.
The only way we could ever gain the good will of the Muslim world would be to apologize for what we have done and make things right in Iraq by giving them the money they need to rebuild their country, with Iraqi citizens doing the rebuilding instead of FOB's.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pmBut then the enemy, the al Qaeda extremists decided to make the central battlefield in the global war on terror.
Yeah, all 8,000 so-called al Qaeda decided to make it the central battlefield. This man is such a lying idiot. al Qaeda has nothing to do with what we are doing in Iraq. They will be gone in a flash once we stop occupying Iraq. The people in Iraq don't like al Qaeda any more than they like us. They may be working with them somewhat, but it is nothing more than a marriage of convenience.
You know Karl, we're not buying it. The American public knows that Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with al Qaeda. If the Bush administration is serious about going after AQ, they need to go to Pakistan because THAT is the central staging area for AQ.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:21 pmRove, are you saying that we will finally be greeted as liberators like Dick Cheney forcefully claimed just before the stupid invasion? I am reminded of the old saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". This old dog Rove still spews the message of how much Arabs love us, just wait. Well, how long are we supposed to wait? 100 years like McCain says. And why is somebody as discredited as Rove still being given face time to repeat his nonsense.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:22 pmafter five years, i *STILL* have not heard a defintion of what "WINNING" means.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pmWell, the polls are giving McBush pretty fair numbers, even though he is visibly running on the neocon ticket as a third term for the Bush Dynasty. We will have to see how they think after the Dem. nominee is picked. It just might be a good idea to invest in some
The polls at this point mean nothing. The uninformed masses still think that McCain is a moderate, a straight shooter and a "maverick" thanks to the MSM. When the Democrats introduce the public to the real John McCain, his candidacy is going to sink faster than a bowling ball.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pmgrover nerdkissed Says:
after five years, i *STILL* have not heard a defintion of what “WINNING” means.
That's because it is impossible to "win" an occupation. The only way you could win an occupation would be through the complete and total subjection of the populace. We don't have the manpower to do that. We don't have the right to do that. It's their damn country forchristsake.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:33 pmIt's amazing how the human-pig hybrid is not challenged on his simplification of Iraq to just some kind of epic fairy tale battle between the West and Al-Qaeda.
Earth to Porky: There were 26 million now minus about 5 million or so Iraqis who might have liked to be consulted by nuts like Karl for their opinion about using their country for a fantasy battleground between "the West and Al-Qaeda".
I hate to inject reality into Karl's fairytale good vs evil epic battle, but what about Sunni-Shia, what about the Kurds,what about the Turks, what about tribal politics/rivalries, what about the oil revenues, what about the perceptions that America did all this to steal their oil, what about permanent bases, what about the astronomical costs that will bury us in debt, what about the American soldiers getting thrown into this mess who are coming home with injuries or in coffins?
Guys like him and Billy Kristol and the rest of the chickenhawks have a disconnect from reality and people.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pmThey are like kids alone fantasizing in their rooms, playing with their toy soldiers..
Sometimes they form clubs with other kids who spend a lot of time in this fantasy world. Adults sometimes call these clubs "think tanks".
Turd-Blossom Enterprises announces new turd-polishing service, only this time with more turd and more polish!
March 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pmIt amazes me that the people who have been absolutely wrong on every issue for the past eight years still get posted as if the sun is going to come up in the west tomorrow instead of the east and they are going to tell the truth. These people are lying, cowards, who have never served their country but have sent our finest to do their criminal acts for the profits of the military industrial complex. KKKarl is a worthless, spineless, thug.
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
Karl Rove.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 7:33 pm
grover nerdkissed Says:
after five years, i *STILL* have not heard a defintion of what “WINNING” means.
I have trouble with what that definition would be also.
It is not our country to win, it is their country.If all the mindboggling amounts of life and money squandered in Iraq could have been used wisely we could have won.
Winning would have been using those resources at home to strengthen our country, building the economy, infrastructure, education, health, supporting new technologies/businesses, port/border security, police, paying down debt.All that would have made us a stronger nation.
We could have used those resources to keep Bin-Laden from escaping Afghanistan. We could have used those resources on the Afghan/Pakistan border to remove the haven for Al-Qaeda before they could regroup.
The Bush Administration has proved itself to be one of the biggest setbacks in America's history.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pmAnd then Karl, the soft, white turd bent over, and a monkey flew out of his more than ample ass.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pmWell, the polls are giving McBush pretty fair numbers, even though he is visibly running on the neocon ticket as a third term for the Bush Dynasty. We will have to see how they think after the Dem. nominee is picked. It just might be a good idea to invest in some
The polls at this point mean nothing. The uninformed masses still think that McCain is a moderate, a straight shooter and a “maverick” thanks to the MSM. When the Democrats introduce the public to the real John McCain, his candidacy is going to sink faster than a bowling ball.
The problem is the corporate media will do everything to keep the public form meeting the real John McCain. The will excuse and bury every nonsensical comment and gaffe that he makes while spending hours dissecting Obama's 'typical white" comment about his grandmother and running the same 30 second clips of his minister 24 hours around the clock.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pmOnce again, someone from the administration has conflated al Qaeda and Iraq. There was no link before we opened up the country to them---therefore, that cannot be the reason for the invasion and occupation. There also was no WMD. What there was---was OIL.
The Pentagon Papers said the Pentagon knew the "domino theory" was not true, even though the Pentagon kept saying it was at the time. Same thing here. The Pentagon Papers said we must PREVENT DEMOCRACY.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pmflavorino Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Guys like him and Billy Kristol and the rest of the chickenhawks have a disconnect from reality and people.
I disagree. See my post #46 above.
They are like kids alone fantasizing in their rooms, playing with their toy soldiers..
Lovely visual but totally wrong, in my view. How I wish it was that simple. We are dealing with a vicious mafia like gang who walk in lockstep together. Look at the price paid by those who dare to differ with them. (Think Max Cleland, Kerry and the swiftboaters or even McBush in the 2000 campaign.) "Kids alone" you say? Not on your life!
Sometimes they form clubs with other kids who spend a lot of time in this fantasy world. Adults sometimes call these clubs “think tanks”.
Another great visual, but just as wrong a conclusion, I'm afraid. These think tanks are the power behind their insane (to us) ideas and philosophy. These criminals are not playing innocent kid games or just joining "kid like" clubs. No! These neocons are doing exactly what they intend to do in order to further their own and their bosses agenda. Their tactics have a great similarity to the mafia, in my view, but with far more devastating effect.
To write these people off as stupid, incompetent kids who are detached from reality, plays into their game, for it fails to see them as they really are beneath the persona they present. This is the effect the con man wants to see in his mark! A complete misreading of who he is!
March 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pmThe Muslim world will NEVER rally to us. Never.
We are everything they never want to be. The most we can hope for is peaceful co-existence, and BushCo blew any possibility of that happening in the near future right out of the water.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pmThe problem is the corporate media will do everything to keep the public form meeting the real John McCain. The will excuse and bury every nonsensical comment and gaffe that he makes while spending hours dissecting Obama’s ‘typical white” comment about his grandmother and running the same 30 second clips of his minister 24 hours around the clock.
Not to worry. All the Democrats need to do is to use McCain's own words. Show him denouncing Fallwell and others, then show him embracing them. Show him talking about voting against Bush's tax cuts, then segway to him talking about extending the tax cuts. Then play advertisements of his saying the same stupid thing about Iran/al Qaeda four times and then segway to him saying he "misspoke". It's too bad that it is going to take Democratic advertising dollars to show America who McCain really is, but that's how it will be done. And I'll contribute to the advertisements.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pmHmmm. Stupid and evil are not mutually exclusive and there is a disconnect between Bushco and the "real world". What makes these *&%&^ers dangerous is that they BELIEVE in their cause. We need to be aware of the danger, but, it's therapeutic to express our utter contempt.
Just to touch on the poll numbers; I really wonder where they find these people. McCain's, apparent, strength doesn't jibe with the huge advantage in Dems vs Reps in the primaries. Even when the Rep nomination was up in the air, they were being out-polled by at least 2-1.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pmMcSame was against things before he was for things.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pmMcSamme was for things before he was against things.
I got news for KKKarl...the war is over and we lost...4,000 good men and women to death, 30,000 wounded, 13,000 of those badly wounded...while the cowards who dreamed this up have stolen the money from the public coffers to pay their cronies and borrowed the money to pay for the war from China and Japan. They are now bailing out the thugs at Bear Stearns while the economy goes into the crapper. The thugs of this crime family have wrecked our lives and they are still lying their asses off about it. Anyone who goes along with this bunch of thugs needs to have their head examined.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pmBut aren't most ignorant Rightwingers in America of the opinion that Muslims want to destroy us? Remember the e-mail that went out claiming that Obama is a Muslim and in reality has a secret plan to take over America after he's elected? As many of you already know, a hell of a lot of people actually believed it. I saw discussion of it on a local message board.
Does Rove understand who it is he is talking to?
March 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pmDoes Rove understand who it is he is talking to?
Turd for brains knows exactly who he is talking to...the 28% made up of knuckle dragging troglodytes...who else would be as bigoted and hatefilled?
March 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pmRove does not mention that what he believes to be true can only be true because of the ill-conceived decision of this administration to start a war of choice.
Sadam, as awful he was, was the best friend the U.S. had in the middle east because he would never allow Al-Queda occupy on square inch of Iraq.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pmTurd for brains knows exactly who he is talking to…the 28% made up of knuckle dragging troglodytes…who else would be as bigoted and hatefilled?
It was rhetorical, but yeah, you are right on the money.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:57 pmSadam,as awfull as he was,also provided the counterbalance to Iranian influence in the middle east.
80% of the oil in the Middle East is under land occupied by Shiites.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pmRove is a criminal. He probably stands to make at least a couple mil on more war and chaos in Iraq. And his and Bush/Cheney's policies are enriching not only themselves but the Saudis and others. Will anyone every go to jail?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Not to worry. All the Democrats need to do is to use McCain’s own words.
Wasn't the same thing said about Bush in 2004? That Kerry would eat the bumbling Bush alive and expose him for who he was? It really isn't the Dems who will introduce McBush to the public. It will be the MSM who are enthralled by the McBush fantasy. Elections are decided by emotions! Not logic and reason, as much as we would like them to be. The vision of the strong father figure, enduring torture and showing loyalty to his troops while there, along with the "maverick" label they have pinned on him is what you will be treated to. This picture of strength and someone who is "different" will be the right's argument against the "change" theme of Obama (diluting the appeal of it) or the insider's experience of Hillary.
Don't count your chickens just yet Bilbo. Let's see what happens after the Dem. nominee is chosen.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:39 pmThey have had their way of life for a couple thousand years. Sure, KKKarl, we're going flip them to our culture.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pmWe have NO business over there.
ROVE: Remember, we removed, as you said, Saddam Hussein in 22 days. But then the enemy, the al Qaeda extremists decided to make the central battlefield in the global war on terror. This will be worth that if we win. If we win we will have dealt the enemy a huge blow in a battlefield they chose to confront us on.
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Am I the only one who's noticed something odd about what Rove said here? He didn't say "when we win" -- he said "if we win", and I'm a little surprised that O'Reilly didn't call him on it. Haven't the Republicans been saying all along that victory is imperative in Iraq and that we will win? Whether Rove realizes it or not, his use of the word "if" -- and not just once, but twice -- suggests that perhaps he himself is not entirely as confident on that score as he would have us believe or even as he believes.
Of course, considering how woefully inaccurate the Bush administration was in its original estimates of what kind of resources would be required for the War In Iraq, the risk of insurgency, and how long it would take -- not to mention the fact that they've always been at least somewhat vague when it comes to specifically defining what constitutes "winning" in Iraq -- I frankly wouldn't be surprised if I were to learn that Rove's confidence has been shaken somewhat, regardless of whether he's willing to admit it or not.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm>Sadam,as awfull as he was,
Anyone who gasses religious nuts has a fond place in my heart, by thier own warped logic you're doing them a favor, fast-tracking thier trip to paradise..
March 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pmBluestocking Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Am I the only one who’s noticed something odd about what Rove said here? He didn’t say “when we win” — he said “if we win”
Yeah, I noticed it too. I wrote it off, as I really believe they (neocons) fully well know the "war" is lost and can never be won. It was a Freudian slip to be sure. The idea that we would ever "win" was never the point, and all the MSM hype about it is simply a red herring dragged across the path of the neocons so we can't see where they are going. Permanent occupation is the goal. Look at the 4 HUGE permanent bases and the monster embassy! To "win the war" we would have to get out and give the country back to the rightful owners! As long as we have not won, there is an excuse to stay there, continue to build, and more time to get firm control of the political situation in Iraq. McBush understands the neocon program and the goals, and it was this that was behind his freudian slip of staying 100 years.
and I’m a little surprised that O’Reilly didn’t call him on it.
Why would you expect O'Liely to call him on anything? Faux nonews is the neocon government's mouthpiece and Bush has officially endorsed McBush. Bush and the neocons are fully in bed with Murdoch who owns Faux. Now if it was Obama making the gaffe they would have been all over it.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:38 pmBush adviser Karl Rove defended the invasion of Iraq five years ago, saying that “if we win,” it “will send a powerful message throughout the Islamic world.” Claiming that “the Muslim world is waiting to see who is going to win the conflict” between “al Qaeda” and “the West,” Rove argued that a continued U.S. presence could create “energy for reform throughout the Middle East.”
Oh, that's soooooo 2002.... Or is it 1998?
Cheers,
March 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pmManBearPig Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Iran is a democracy just like Iraq was when Saddam got 99.9% of the vote. Middle East likes to “freely elect” its dictators.
Like the USA?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:29 pmYes, nothing like a good ole invasion and occupation to make people like you.
Throw in a few thousand dead, a few million displaced, torture some of the remaining, and you are sure to win their hearts and minds.
(You can also take away the basics, like running water, medical services, and electricity for good measure)
March 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pm.
HOW does Rover plan on winning this occupation?
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March 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 amSo what does it mean to win?
Is it when all Iraqis are dead?
Is it when everyone who dislikes Americans is dead?
Is it when everyone who doesn't have white skin is dead?
Just wondering.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 amNotice Rove did not say a win 'Now' but after years.
How many years Karl? 5 more, 10, 20, 100?
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:43 amSame technique... lies, lies, lies and more lies. After the lies, more lies... Rove should be behind barrs!
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:17 amThe goal is not to win and not to loose, but to always be on the path to victory in a perpetual global war on terrorism.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 amIt's a good thing ole Karlina found his niche over with the drooling mouth breathers over at faux since no one else is buying what he's selling these days
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 amKarl Rove is one scary dude. What is his definition of winning? The reasons these nut-jobs keep giving us for prolonging this illegal war indefinitely are mind-boggling.
They obviously don't care what the public thinks...Cheney just said so...and I'm afraid these crackpots are going to start a war with Iran. The crackpots want to start another war! Congress must start impeachment proceedings now to prevent another catastrophe by those criminals running our country!
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 amManBearPig Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Iran is a democracy just like Iraq was when Saddam got 99.9% of the vote. Middle East likes to “freely elect” its dictators.
Sort of like the crime family of thugs we have had for the past eight years.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 amYou show how little you know with statements like this. The elections in Iran and Venesuala have beed deemed to be as legitimate as any democratic elections on the planet by many international agencies including the UN. The US on the other hand........
no such statements were ever made about the elections in Iraq. You appear to be a racist when you lump them all together and make blanket statements that serve your progaganda needs.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 amNew Rules: Karl Rove should never be allowed to speak on TV without being on a panel. Everything he says is a lie and he needs to be corrected immediately.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 amHe sure does spend a lot of time on teevee spewing lies and venom for someone who quit his job to spend more time with his family doesn't he?
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm" He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death". Thomas Paine
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 pmEvery day I read something that some Republican says and it is the stupidest thing I've ever known of someone to say and assume that the Republicans can't get any dumber. And every day they prove me wrong. The ONLY thing more stupid than this statement are the people that actually believe it. Of course Rove knows it's a lie but that never stops the Repugs.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pmRove is wrong in one more point: The conflict in Iraq is not "between AlQaeda and the West". It's between the US occupiers and anything that moves:
A Samarra police official said the helicopter "mistakenly" hit a Sons of Iraq checkpoint, killing the six. Two other Iraqis were wounded in the attack in Ashaki, south of Samarra, 55 miles north of Baghdad.
The U.S. military said that after five people were "spotted conducting suspicious terrorist activity" near a recent roadside bombing site, an AH-64 Apache fired on them. It was unclear how the other dead and wounded were involved.
6 killed by U.S. copter may have been allies
Rove needs to explain how the indiscriminate shooting of innocent Iraqis will "rally the Muslim world to us".
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pmWhen the Republicans or the Administration talk about the importance of "winning" in Iraq, they should be asked follow-up questions like: What does it mean to "win" in Iraq? How would we know when we have won? What would be the signs? How would we be able to verify that we have won? How would we know when we can withdraw our troops from Iraq? How would we know that Iraqi military forces are able to maintain security without our help?
The MSM needs to be consistent in demanding an operational definition of winning, and challenging the fallacy behind this argument.
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 pmThis criminal(Rove)should not be on TV, he should be behind barrs waiting for the death squad for TREASON!
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pmWell then fat boy, get in shape, get your ass over there and go for the big W.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 pm"But he ignores the fact that America’s presence in Iraq has weakened democracy in the Middle East."
Yea, it's weakened what used to be our democracy here as well.
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm"... weakened democracy in the Middle East."
How intellectually dishonest can you get? Just because the Brookings Institute says something doesn't mean its right. The Iraqi people are actually voting so how does that translate into less democracy?
And the BBC pole, almost no one supports the U.S. regardless of our approach. They hate the diplomatic approach to Korea and Iran and the conflict in Iraq. What, were we supposed to attack Korea and Iran and use greater diplomacy with Iraq?
I mean really, if your gonna use a biased poll in support of your proposition, at least read the dang thing before you rely on its conclusions!
Less democratic ... LMFAO
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pmThis guy is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Why any "news" organization would print ANYTHING he says like it's a fact is beyond me. He manipulates data and is the main reason we are suffering with the Bush/Cheney rape and pillage of this Country. He has used the media to destroy people who simply opposed his vested interests. He needs to go away and never return.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:27 amWhat about U.S. influence in Kosovo? Public opinion is never fair to the U.S., so why even bother?
March 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pmKarl is still dreaming even after five years. What a lame ass.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pmThe polls at this point mean nothing. The uninformed masses still think that McCain is a moderate, a straight shooter and a “maverick” thanks to the MSM. When the Democrats introduce the public to the real John McCain, his candidacy is going to sink faster than a bowling ball.
The problem is the corporate media will do everything to keep the public form meeting the real John McCain. The will excuse and bury every nonsensical comment and gaffe that he makes while spending hours dissecting Obama’s ‘typical white” comment about his grandmother dell inspiron 2500 battery,dell inspiron 3700 battery and running the same 30 second clips of his minister 24 hours around the clock.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:44 am