ThinkFast: March 21, 2008
Following weeks of oil prices hitting over $100 a barrel, Vice President Dick Cheney met Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah on Friday “for talks that will include discussions on cooperation to stabilize the oil market.” I’m sure they will talk about the need for a cooperative way forward to try and stabilize this market, reduce the volatility in the market, and serve the interests of both consumers and producers alike,” John Hannah, national security adviser to Cheney, told reporters.
ABC News reports that at least two Iraqi families of victims killed by Blackwater security guards in September say “they have refused compensation offered by the company.” The families were offered $20,000 for each victim.
A new Fox poll asserts that the American public believes John McCain will be strongest against bin Laden. McCain however would not have authorized strikes inside Pakistan that took out high value al Qaeda targets, nor would he authorize a strike against bin Laden inside Pakistan without that country’s permission.
According to the Washington Post, “[i]nflation is walloping Americans with low and moderate incomes as the prices of staples have soared.” The Post found that “there is a big divide” in price rises between “the basic items people need to live and get to work, and those on which they can easily cut back when times are tight.”
As Wall Street is “caught in a credit crisis,” the economic slowdown is heading toward Main Street and “seeping into new parts of the country, to communities that seemed insulated only months ago” which is “fueling worries that what most economists now see as an inevitable recession could end up being especially painful.”
General Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz acknowledged the car company made a mistake by not making a hybrid car. “We had the technology to come out with a hybrid at the same time as Toyota,” Lutz said Tuesday. “In hindsight, it was a mistake. … We made the mistake and we won’t make it again.”
“China’s crackdown in Tibet will not cause President Bush to cancel his planned trip to the Beijing Olympics, the White House said Thursday.”
“The success of the US ’surge’ strategy in Iraq may be under threat as Sunni militia employed by the US to fight al Qaida are warning of a national strike because they are not being paid regularly.” Leading members of the awakening councils “have said they will stop fighting unless payment of their $10 a day wage is resumed.” According to a survey by GuardianFilms, four of the 49 councils have quit while 38 more are threatening to leave.
And Finally: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) doesn’t have royal blood. Publishers of McCain’s book, Hard Call, say that the senator is “related to the Scottish king, Robert the Bruce, on his mother’s side,” but “genealogists and medieval historian” tasked to investigate the link say it’s not so, calling it “wonderful fiction” and “baloney”.
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“Following weeks of oil prices hitting over $100 a barrel, Vice President Dick Cheney met Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah on Friday for talks that will include discussions on cooperation to move the price of oil to $200 a barrel.”
March 21st, 2008 at 9:03 am“A new Fox poll asserts that the American public believes John McCain will be strongest against bin Laden.”
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Wow — I didn’t even know OBL was running…
March 21st, 2008 at 9:03 am“Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) doesn’t have royal blood.”
March 21st, 2008 at 9:05 amI think he is so old that his blood would best be classified as “tired.”
My favorite bit from the McCain ancestry article:
“Durie added that despite his romantic reputation, Robert the Bruce was “an absolute scoundrel”.
“The first thing he did after taking power was destroy Stirling castle and he was a self-serving, vainglorious opportunist who was determined to be king at any cost,” he said.”
Great, just what we need.
/snark off
March 21st, 2008 at 9:11 amAiding Main Street over Wall Street would be an overcorrection.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am“China’s crackdown in Tibet will not cause President Bush to cancel his planned trip to the Beijing Olympics, the White House said Thursday.”
Course not. Bush wanting to be a dictator himself and all.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:15 am1) Following weeks of oil prices hitting over $100 a barrel, Vice President Dick Cheney met Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah on Friday “for talks that will include discussions on cooperation to stabilize the oil market.”
2) According to the Washington Post, “[i]nflation is walloping Americans with low and moderate incomes as the prices of staples have soared.”
3) As Wall Street is “caught in a credit crisis,” the economic slowdown is heading toward Main Street and “seeping into new parts of the country, to communities that seemed insulated only months ago”
4) General Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz acknowledged the car company made a mistake by not making a hybrid car.
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Put them all together, folks! We now see what the result is when we A) continue to remain oil dependent without aggressively developing alternative energy sources, B) elect leadership whose main concern is shoveling gobs of money in the direction of their oil buddies, and C) develop our communities and infrastructure around the automobile.
The price of oil has hit record highs. While the lower economic classes have always struggled to get by, the middle class is now being hit. Filling up the gas tank is now a major expense, and because of suburban sprawl and a lack of adequate public transit in most communities, there’s not much choice to commuting by car. The price of groceries and other goods have gone up because the cost of transporting them has become so high. More and more Americans are maxing out credit cards just to stay afloat, and this credit debt bubble will eventually burst.
Meanwhile, our leaders soldier on their course to doom, telling the masses they can eat cake.
Way to go, Bushco. You have taken “worst ever” to impressive new depths.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:16 amRegarding Obama’s passport records being hacked. Admittedly I didn’t read all the posts last night, but did any one address the fact that it was “like father like son”? Someone in the Bush Sr. administration hacked into Bill Clinton’s passport records back then. And, of course, the investigation found that there was no criminal intent.
I would like to hear the whole story on this. Who, what, when, where, why and how. There were three separate instances. Were they all done by the same three people? Did the three people who did it know each other. Why did one person not get fired?
This is going to be a very big story. Hopefully TP won’t ignore it beyond posting the original article about it. I bet it really frosted TP that they had to report the story.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:20 amPersonally, I refuse to put any stock in a Fox poll. Trusting FOX to tell the truth in an accurate way seems to me to be foolhardy in the extreme. I feel the same way about the Bush Administration. I will never give the benefit of the doubt to anyone associated with the current regime or who supported the current regime.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amgoon_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:16 am
Democrats want higher gas prices.
The lies start early. Goon, that is ONE Democrat. Just yesterday you were trying to pretend that all Republicans don’t share the opinions of one fanatic and that you realized all Democrats don’t share the opinions of one preacher. Here you are, back in form, lying through your teeth.
But since you’re here, please explain how Al Qaeda can use Iraqi oil to amass great wealth without production or sales. We’re still waiting.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amABC News reports that at least two Iraqi families of victims killed by Blackwater security guards in September say “they have refused compensation offered by the company.” The families were offered $20,000 for each victim.
Hands down, the Iraqi people attest more to family values than any neocon breaking himself into a sweat, preaching about it for hours. These families are trapped in the worse living conditions right now on this planet, and they will not forfeit their right to seek the truth and see justice done. They know the better payout will come.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amIt all started before 9/11. A little known publication called
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century” written by a coterie of neoCONS.
(Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz etc) — it was all part of a master plan to beef up the Military.
Section V of Rebuilding America’s Defenses, entitled “Creating Tomorrow’s Dominant Force”, includes the sentence: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”.
Well, it does not take a genius to figure out who was behind 9/11. We have developed into an Authoritarian Government. With the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 keeping this in mind with the wiretapping this great nation is teetering toward full blown Fascist Rule.
It wouldn’t take much. As Cheney slinks around the Middle East you can bet something is going on regarding Iran.
But,I digress. This security breach re: Obama is just a microcosm of what is happening right now in this country. I hope the source of this is fully identified. But, you know these Criminals that are installed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are so slick. They are like teflon. Not a goddamn thing seems to have stuck these past 8 years.
And they continue to get away literally with murder (see: 9/11, men and women in Iraq, Katrina etc).
Obama really needs to stand up here. This great nation is crumbling (economically, spiritually etc) before our very eyes. I don’t have all the answers but turning off “American Idle would be a good start.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:21 am“fueling worries that what most economists now see as an inevitable recession could end up being especially painful.”
Yeah, like going from a recession to a depression in a heartbeat.
Hey, if this country goes bankrupt, does that mean that we won’t have to repay China the billions of dollars we have borrowed from them for occupying Iraq?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am“We had the technology to come out with a hybrid at the same time as Toyota,” Lutz said Tuesday. “In hindsight, it was a mistake. … We made the mistake and we won’t make it again.”
GM would have been even farther ahead of the pack if they hadn’t killed the electric car way back when. Imagine where we would be today if we had followed through on the things that Carter started regarding relieving our dependence on Middle Eastern oil. We would be sitting pretty today. But, Ronald Ray-Gun put a stop to that.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:25 am“The success of the US ’surge’ strategy in Iraq may be under threat as Sunni militia employed by the US to fight al Qaida are warning of a national strike because they are not being paid regularly.”
Wait a minute. Why are WE paying them to do what they should be doing for themselves? Iraq is NOT going to step up to the plate and take charge of their country until we leave. It’s time to go NOW!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:26 amI see that our paid RNC representative is here bright and early to spew his misinformation and lies.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amBy the way, liar, there is considerable evidence that raising the gas tax will simply reduce oil industry profits, rather than drive the price higher. This is due to the law of supply and demand, which you and most other Republicans don’t seem to understand.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:30 amI wish the paid liar would just shut up and go away, but that won’t happen until November 5th, when he is out of a job.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:31 amMilitary veterans to deliver citizen arrest warrants for Bush and Cheney
Backed by family members and supporters all across the nation, U.S. military veterans will serve citizen arrest warrants for George Bush and Dick Cheney tomorrow in Washington, D.C.
The warrants are “for multiple violations of the Constitution and international war crimes,” according to a statement issued by Veterans for Peace, a national organization of men and women who served in wars and military conflicts beginning with the Spanish Civil War in 1936 through the present war in Iraq.
“It has long been apparent that our Constitution is under attack and has been deliberately and relentlessly undermined by domestic enemies — indeed, by our highest government officials — who took the same oath we did and have violated it by waging a war of aggression and committing war crimes in Iraq,” according to Veterans for Peace president, Elliott Adams in explaining the warrants.
The warrants will be delivered to the National Archives which houses the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
http://globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=8401
My brain is spinning at all of the crap that is going on right now. Bush and Cheney continue to spread their evil intentions - probably right up to January, 2009 and our elected, paid representatives in Washington hold “hearings” but don’t do anything with the information. What is wrong with this picture?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:31 amg_g says:
1 in 5 Democrats to Vote for McCain if their candidate (Clinton or Obama looses primary).
Well, we know that Democrats tend to be more educated than Republicans, and we still have more work to do to knock down the all-or-nothing mindset, but if that truly ends up being the case this November, and people would rather see complete evil retained than see even a slight reversal of the decline of our democracy, than this country deserves the stupid government it may vote for.
Who knows, GG, Shrub may have done a reasonably good job dumbing down American society, pulling the most vulnerable people down with him. And it’s battle the most competent people face to gain the positions of responsibility, to wield their power responsibly for the *gasp* betterment *gasp* of our citizenry.
Until then, it’s a narcissistic kingdom.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am“I’ve answered your question on three threads.”
Odd then, liar, that I haven’t seen the answer.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 amAmong Obama supporters, 20 percent said they would vote for Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, if Clinton beats their candidate for the nomination. Among Clinton supporters, 19 percent said they would support McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
I don’t believe this for a minute. Right now there are divisions in the Democratic party thanks to a divisive primary campaign (thank you Hillary Rove Clinton). But, I don’t believe for a minute that any self-respecting Democrat will vote for McCain, especially when they find out that he really isn’t a moderate and he really isn’t a “maverick”, he is nothing more than a pandering old fool.
Once the race is settled, I thoroughly believe that the Democrats will come together and tromp the Republicans. They know that this country cannot survive another four years of Republican rule, especially under someone like McPander.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:33 amgoon_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
Now what would the reaction be on the left if a Republican politician referred to an African American as “a typical black person”?
How about a troll that referred to “typical racist Democrats”?
And then feigned outrage at Obama.
We know how much you hate broad generalizations about people, goon.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:33 amgood_golly Says:
12. I’ve answered your question on three threads. You should try reading once in a while.
Then you should have no trouble pointing to those three threads where you answered the question. I sure haven’t seen you answer that question or any other question posed to you.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:35 am#9 Liar, you left out the part about this poll being a snapshot of what is happening right now in Pennsylvania. You make it sound like a national poll. Also, I am wondering about the credibility of the poll. After all, your news source, Cybernet News Service, is a right wing wacko operation. Lastly, Democrats will rally around Obama after he secures the nomination.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:36 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:33 am
22. So your claim is that if you take a $3.50 gallon of gas and add an additional $.50 a gallon gasoline tax, that will not drive the price higher? Please elaborate.
Why bother? You’re just going to pull another lie out of your ass to justify your hatred of America.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:36 am#29 - good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:33 am
Simple economics: if a comodoty is less desireable, the price will fall to encourage consumer demand.
I thought you had a degree. Your assumption seems to indicate you don’t understand economics.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amGigi got her fax from headquarters early today.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:35 am
26. Your reading comprehension obviously needs some work.
No, you need to improve your lies. otherwise, everybody will continue to see right through you to the Nazi ass you are.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:35 am
good_golly Says:
12. I’ve answered your question on three threads. You should try reading once in a while.
Then you should have no trouble pointing to those three threads where you answered the question. I sure haven’t seen you answer that question or any other question posed to you.
Or answer it now. Rather than post something at 2 in the morning on a long-dead thread.
Odd that goon is the only one who thinks it has provided an answer.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amI’m going to make a prediction:
Obama will win the nomination.
He will choose John Edwards as his running mate.
Obama/Edwards are going kick McSame’s butt in Nov!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:38 amPelosi urges world to condemn China
Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, has called on the world community to denounce China in the wake of its crackdown in Tibet.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
POT KETTLE BLACK
Pelosi comes from a place where Blackwater troops run around killing THOUSANDS if Iraqis
Pelosi comes from a place that waterboards and tortures even SUSPECT in horrific ways
Pelosi comes from a place that has murdered 1.2 million Iraqis
OK what China done killing a hundred protesters is bad BUT NOTHING COMPARED to the place where Pelosi comes from
March 21st, 2008 at 9:38 am#9 - good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am
I did a poll of the Republicans at work.
4 out of 5 say they will vote for Sen. Obama if he wins the nomination.
3 out of 5 say they will not vote at all if Sen. Clinton wins the nomination.
The significant number of potential defectors underscores how divisive the Republican party views Sen. McCain.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:39 am#29 You are a simple minded idiot. Demand will decline at 4 dollars a gallon, so the oil companies will be forced to sell their commodity at a lower price. Also, political pressure to investigate supply and price-fixing in the commodity markets will increase, causing the thieves to back off. When Democrats take power, oil prices will drop considerably, because the oil companies will fear investigations and legal action.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:39 amOne other thing about presidential polls. Right now they mean nothing. Polls can’t take into account things like the fact that Democrats are out voting Republicans 3 to 1. They also don’t take into account the huge number of new, young voters, who are mostly registering as Democrats.
Six months ago polls showed that Clinton would beat Obama by a wide margin. We all know how wrong they were.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:40 am#39.
I thought the same thing this morning. I hope Cindy Sheehan kicks her butt in Nov. Pelosi deserves to lose.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:40 am“although I do address them from time to time at my sole discretion.”
Then why don’t you show some discretion and just shut up, liar?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:41 amSunni militia strike could derail US strategy against al-Qaida
The success of the US “surge” strategy in Iraq may be under threat as Sunni militia employed by the US to fight al-Qaida are warning of a national strike because they are not being paid regularly.
Leading members of the 80,000-strong Sahwa, or awakening, councils have said they will stop fighting unless payment of their $10 a day (£5) wage is resumed. The fighters are accusing the US military of using them to clear al-Qaida militants from dangerous areas and then abandoning them.
A telephone survey by GuardianFilms for Channel 4 News reveals that out of 49 Sahwa councils four with more than 1,400 men have already quit, 38 are threatening to go on strike and two already have.
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In his speech marking the fifth anniversary of the war George Bush highlighted the significance of what he called “the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden”. Iraq, he said, “has become the place where Arabs joined with Americans to drive al-Qaida out.”
But dozens of phone calls to Sahwa leaders reveal bitterness and anger. “We know the Americans are using us to do their dirty work and kill off the resistance for them and then we get nothing for it,” said Abu Abdul-Aziz, the head of the council in Abu Ghraib, where 500 men have already quit.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ world/ 2008/ mar/ 21/ iraq.alqaida
We are just making friends all over! Why should we treat them any better than our own citizens?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am30. I’m neither here to do your work for you nor to answer questions on demand, although I do address them from time to time at my sole discretion.
It is correct. It is here strictly to fling feces on the wall and sit back and watch as people protest it’s feces flinging. Perhaps it is time we hold our noses and ignore his feces.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am” Polls can’t take into account things like the fact that Democrats are out voting Republicans 3 to 1.”
This is an excellent point. This fact is underreported in the press, but has the liar’s employers very, very worried.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:42 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:25 am
Obama Tries to Explain ‘Typical White Person’ Comment About Grandmother. Digs hole deeper.
Why do you still not get it?
Obama doesn’t hate anybody. He knows very well that he’s not running to be the President of African-Americans, he’s running to be President of the United States.
And comments like these, no matter how controversial, are made out of frustration, not to mention they didn’t come out of Obama’s mouth. Comments like these are bound to come from a trying segment of our society who can’t seem to get an equitable share of the American pie, or a good rate of access to logistical needs.
Why don’t you lend your support to ease tension instead of picking excuses for more controversy? I spoke of needing to build strong bonds in the bigot Peter Sprigg thread yesterday. If the community under fire huddles and gives them their complete confidence and support to the concerned, there will no longer be the need to spout any ‘Typical White Person’ comments out of sheer frustration.
This is not about you. What can you do for your country?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:43 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
Now what would the reaction be on the left if a Republican politician referred to an African American as “a typical black person”?
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If that Republican politician was half black, had a slew of black relatives and friends, was referring to his own black grandmother, and was using the phrase to emphasize that his grandmother wasn’t unique in her thinking — yes, I’d give him a pass.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:43 ammorning… breakfast time…
i wondered about this:
Fed rate cuts put squeeze on community banks’ profits
March 21st, 2008 at 9:47 amBizjournals.com - 49 minutes ago
Large banks in Florida are thrilled to see interest rates heading south — but the region’s community banks wince with each new cut.
“This is not about you. What can you do for your country?”
the best thing ggoebbels could do for her country is to get out of it. North Korea would welcome her and her hateful, AntiAmerican rhetoric.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:49 amThe liar’s attempts at race baiting are futile. Obama’s speech was very well received, and will win more votes than it loses. The only people who are going to fall for the race angle weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway. But go ahead and waste your time keeping the 24%er base intact, liar. It won’t put your guy in office.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:49 amObama really needs to stand up here. This great nation is crumbling (economically, spiritually etc) before our very eyes. I don’t have all the answers but turning off “American Idle would be a good start.
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March 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am—————————
I kept thinking that Obama voted for Patriot Act 2. So, to some degree, he supports illegal (my word) snooping.
why do you guys feed the troll?
this gg moron is just here to disrupt. Just ignore it like you would any moron in a real room that is constantly spinning and lying.
i mean, come on, dont feed the trolls!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am” unless and until gasoline is replaced as our primary source of transportation energy which is still decades away.”
and that is the case simply because of the greed and treason of the Republican party.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:50 amDid Obama’s grandma hurt your feelings, g_g?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am“If you add a $.50 a gallon additional tax to gasoline, in the short to mid term, the price will go up by $.50″
This is a lie. The oil companies can drop the price of oil instantly. They are making incredible profits right now, and will still be making incredible profits even if they unilaterally sacrifice $0.50 a gallon.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:51 am“why do you guys feed the troll?”
I know I shouldn’t give it any attention, but this morning I feel like calling it a liar, because it lies a lot. Actually, paid liar would be more accurate.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:53 amThe solution to soaring oil prices is the PLUG IN HYBRID vehicle. Plug it in at home overnite…plug it in at work during the day…and you would use NO IMPORTED OIL.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:55 amOf course, electrical power plants would be required to pick up the slack, but America should be energy independent regarding electricity..using solar , wind, and clean coal technology.
What America needs is intense research and development in BATTERY technolgy. We should spend funds on battery research, instead of throwing it down a contractor infested Iraqi rat hole.
good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am
39. Good morning Tobie Tall. How is the weather in Tehran today?
Good morning, Goony_GooGoo. How’s the weather up Bush’s ass this morning?
March 21st, 2008 at 9:58 amIt’s an rule we don’t exactly comply with, RantingTommy, but people like g_g attempting to pervert an exciting time in our democracy into some sort of controversy, as if it threatens his livelihood, will not go unchallenged.
Too bad we have to spend more time snuffing out comments like g_g’s than celebrating this milestone. It sure is a tough balancing act.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:00 amsurge on the verge of collapse?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ world/ video/ 2008/ mar/ 20/ surgecollapse
no wonder iraqi soldiers don’t support maccain.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=If7h4pcwMLk
March 21st, 2008 at 10:02 amWho supports Republicans anymore? Very antiquated.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:02 amOn this Good Friday, take a few minutes and check out what MSM will never cover.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:02 amhttp://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/
#69 correction –
*It’s a
March 21st, 2008 at 10:03 amJeebus died for your sins today people!
/fundieoff
March 21st, 2008 at 10:03 am68. good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am
gg, you’re not a racist?
;)
right.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:04 amAlternate ThinkFast
Cheney’s national security adviser insults 270 million Americans–remaining 30 million Americans eagerly await promised pony.
Blackwater loses $14,000 in cost-plus murder profits.
Poll: American public believes McCain will meet Bin Laden at “the gates of Hell”
Washpo investigation discovers shocking evidence of link between income and expenses.
NY Times: Economists return from 7 year vacation to find house trashed, piles of unopened bills.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:05 amGeneral Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz acknowledged the car company made a mistake by not making a hybrid car. “We had the technology to come out with a hybrid at the same time as Toyota,” Lutz said Tuesday. “In hindsight, it was a mistake. … We made the mistake and we won’t make it again.”
If you guys didn’t live in post WWII fantasy la la land, maybe you could pull your oily heads out of your asses long enough to see the writing on the wall.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:06 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
Democrats still hoping for American defeat, I see.
here’s your straw man back.
why do you hate black people?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:06 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am
67. I wouldn’t know. Unlike the Hopium smokers, I don’t agree with those I support 100% of the time. I’d ask you how the weather was up Obama’s “typical black” ass, but I don’t want to sound like racist Obama who referred to his grandmother as a “typical white woman.” So I’ll just ask, how is the weather up Obama’s racist ass?
Neither does Obama but yet you think he should be horse whipped for something that his pastor said that he (Obama) doesn’t agree with.
Very hypocritical of you.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:08 amThe Guardian: The Surge May Be On The Verge Of Collapse
March 21st, 2008 at 10:09 amfrom crooks and liars dot com 3.21.08
Good_Golly:
One thing you fail to understand is that Barrack Obama is, in fact, half white. That gives him some flexibility when it comes to using stereotypes - right or wrong.
If a black person uses a stereotype about black people, it’s not generally seen as offensive. Similarly, if a white person uses a stereotype about white people, it’s not generally seen as offensive. Much in the same way that a black person can use the “N” word, whereas it’s not OK for a white person to use that same word. You may not understand the reasoning behind that, but it’s true.
My kids are inter-racial, too. They are exposed to a ton of white people, like me. They are also exposed to a ton of black people, like my wife. That will give them much deeper insights into both communities.
I don’t mean to say that stereotyping is OK - but it is a fact of life within most races.
Just wanted to shed some light on Obama’s “typical white person” comment, which you are trying to turn into a real issue.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:10 am#53 - good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:48 am
And you ignore the fact that people will change their habits, travel less or take alternative forms of transportation, reducing the demand, driving the cost down.
Why do you seem to voluntarily shove your head in the sand? You used to be somewhat reasonable, but recently you’ve gotten into insulting people much more often than you have in the past.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:11 ampsst. dont feed the troll.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 amPatriot Act II rollcall :
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden
Obama gets what he deserves, I guess.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am#75 - good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
And the Republicans are still actively working for the defeat of America, I see.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 amit’s a start…
France’s Sarkozy vows strong nuclear arms policy
March 21st, 2008 at 10:13 amReuters - 43 minutes ago
By Matthias Blamont CHERBOURG, France (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged on Friday to maintain a strong nuclear weapons program in order to defend his country against threats such as the possibility of a nuclear-armed Iran.
France to reduce nuclear warheads BBC News
Sarkozy: France to cut nuclear arsenal to 300 warheads Jerusalem Pos
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
I wish Feingold was running for President. He was my 1st choice right from the very beginning.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:14 amgigi is feeling a little testy today, her hubby added some spice to the game last night. While she was soaking in the ice bath he dug a shallow trench in the back yard and buried her when she got out of the tub. Then he dug her up and made her lie in the mud so he could pretend to have a “fresh one”.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:15 amABC News reports that at least two Iraqi families of victims killed by Blackwater security guards in September say “they have refused compensation offered by the company.” The families were offered $20,000 for each victim.
Take your stinking blood money and shove it. $20,000. Makes me sick. I suppose that’s what each of the Bush twins lives are worth.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:16 amVerbalkint –
Stop right there. You’ve have just been called out by g_g as a person who cares about the welfare of others. Change your ways immediately.
‘Socialist’ is dirty word, Ronald Reagan said so. Comply now.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:17 am‘Socialist’ is dirty word, Ronald Reagan said so. Comply now.
‘Socialist’ is dirty word, Ronald Reagan said so. Comply now.
‘Socialist’ is dirty word, Ronald Reagan said so. Comply now.
and republicans who don’t denounce Fawell and robertson agree that god attacked NYC and the pentagon on 9-11 for the sinning that goes on in those places.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:18 amgg’s fellow conservative racist tom sullivan says black will riot if obama doesn’t win:
http://factbeat.com/get_story.php?id=316
why does the gop hate african americans?
why does gg hate black people?
this is a link to a site that features postcards that were made from the photographs of lynchings of black people in the south from the early part of the twentieth century. if we allow gg’s racism, fox’s racism and the republican party’s racism to go unchecked and challenged we could be seeing these kinds of hate crimes happening again.
http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/
(warning: disturbing images)
March 21st, 2008 at 10:18 amamazing how one uneducated troll can completely take over a thread inhabited by it’s intellectual superiors
human nature is a funny thing i guess
March 21st, 2008 at 10:19 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am
80. If Obama “didn’t agree with” his pastor, he wouln’t have sat there listening to his racist rants for 20 years, filled his collection plate, called him his “spiritual advisor,” quoted him in a book, titled a book after one of his sermons, had him perform his marriage, and had him baptize his children. I don’t believe for a minute that Obama doesn’t share his “spiritual advisor’s” beliefs. He’s a “Black Power” racist, through and through.
So are you saying that you stay away from the people that you disagree 100% with all of the time?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:19 amgood comeback gigi, very 4th grade. I’m suprised that your response to Obama’s records being accessed by republican criminals wasn’t “well, bill clinton had his records looked by repubican criminals too”.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:20 amsometimes this world is so depressing. Then it’s time to put on my old Beatle albums with my headphones. and zone out. But, then I am brought back to reality : what an ugly world we live in. it’s a constant ying and yang: trying to stay hopeful, see the beauty.
But,then I see an image of the Nazi Chimp, Darth Cheney and or McBomb. back to the beauty of abbey road. until the next reawakening.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:20 amHagee, Roberson who lusts for murder, Dobson, Haggert etc are 100 times more repulsive than anything the Rev. Wright has ever said even in the most heated of sermons. Nothing but bald faced racism. God Damn the BIGOTS who claim America for their own and seek to keep it only for themselves.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:21 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am
He’s a “Black Power” racist, through and through.
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And you’re a stone hateful idiot, period.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:22 amGeneral Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz acknowledged the car company made a mistake by not making a hybrid car. Really, you sure. What was the mistake? Was it a production mistake , or a environmental mistake? I think I know what he believes.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:22 amwhy does anyone put ANY stock in ANYthing ANY preacher says?
they believe in a magic man in the sky, that automatically makes their opinions suspect as they are based in fantasy and not reality
March 21st, 2008 at 10:23 amo, and btw, dont feed the troll
March 21st, 2008 at 10:24 amBack in 2001 no one wanted to pay $2 a gallon, but now everyone is paying roughly twice that. 46% a stistical dead heat with the 48% wo don;t want to pay any more at all, are WILLING to pay AT LEAST 50 cents more–IF the extra tax money is used to develop alternate energy sources and reduce oil consumption, thus ultimately lowering demand (and therefore lowering oil/gasoline prices).
March 21st, 2008 at 10:25 amFor GM to NOT produce a hybrid was a catastrophic economic blunder… somewhat like Bush’s decision to go into Iraq.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:26 amKeep the f-ing preacher in the Churches and tax the crap out of them.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am“According to the Washington Post, “[i]nflation is walloping Americans with low and moderate incomes as the prices of staples have soared.” The Post found that “there is a big divide” in price rises between “the basic items people need to live and get to work, and those on which they can easily cut back when times are tight.”
ummm, what’s the term? oh yeah … DUH!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am103. good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am
see any liberals smiling at the sight of these murdered victims, gg?
neither do i.
see any conservatives?
see your own reflection?
*
March 21st, 2008 at 10:27 am108. Difficult to explain, but for some reason, Obama did.
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Ye, and so does McCain, and Bush (Bush sez one of ‘em talks to him…) and ALLLLLL those fundies the GOOP manipulates so cynically.
Cheney? He only answered to The Dark Lord…
March 21st, 2008 at 10:28 amfortunately, Obama is smarter than our bed-wetting, fear-addled troll and doesn’t fall for the BS.
McSame is all about the BS. He flip flops so much because he is being told what to think by too many different people. Clinton just inspires too many knuckledragging rightwing wingnuts that have been trained by the radio clowns to hate any and all things Clinton or “librul”. They are clueless and happy to stay that way and will enjoy coming out to vote against who they have been trained to hate.
Obama is the best choice left.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:29 am117. good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:27 am
gg tries to be funny at a lynching.
see the smiling faces of your friends gg?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:30 amG_G:
You keep calling Obama a racist. Acknowledge the fact that he’s half white, then explain your description of him as a racist.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:30 amgood golly, have you renounced the practices of KBR yet? Or are you still standing on the side of a company that has put profit over the well being of our troops.
gg, you are a hollow, transparent, fake patriot.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:31 amCareful, Vet… g_g’s head will explode.
g_g’s labeling here. It’s a dishonest, irrational gesture and really doesn’t prove anything or make nay valid point.
the troll is a water carrier for the GOOP, period. It’s all about TALKING POINTS.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:32 amdont feed the troll
March 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am“easter” should be referred to as “Zombie Jesus Day” or “Night of the Living Jesus”, or maybe even “Sean of the Jesus”
It’s all about the myth that Jesus “went zombie” right?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:35 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am
Time to go, enjoy your weekend. Happy Secular Easter.
looking for more rope?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:35 amWow. The goony troll is in rare cycloinc form today. Spinning like a top, disrupting like an oompa band at a funeral mass.
Normally I’ll give the goon a quick read, pick out the logical flaws on the surface, then move on. Today she’s flinging so much poo at the wall that I’ve just stopped reading. The new format with the “Poster Says” at the top of the comment makes skipping dreck like this very convenient.
Today, Gigi looks like she’s compiling notes for an updating of the old childhood book club favorite, “Spots on Wall” by Hoo Flung Poo.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:35 amC’mon guys, the point of Obamas’ speech was that everyone knows or even loves someone who is racist, it is not going away so we have to deal with it on a personal level and move on.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:37 amgood golly couldn’t stand up for the troops when it was in direct conflict with the profit of KBR. His “support” does more harm than good.
he’s a fake patriot.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:38 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
Now what would the reaction be on the left if a Republican politician referred to an African American as “a typical black person”?
Back when george senior was pres, he refered to some of his grandkids as “the little brown ones” and he got complete sympathy from the media and most people.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:41 amok, who hung the ‘free food for trolls’ sign up at TP?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am#131 - when will people realize that we are all just different shades of brown?
there is no white, there is no black
although, the current cabal in charge could be described as ‘pink’
March 21st, 2008 at 10:42 amReligion. The rev. gave the republicans something they can rally around. This was the angle they were looking for. The fire and brimstone sermons are the type of incindiary fear points they need to point out to show there is something else to be scared about. First, Obama was this “Secret Muslim”. and after it’s been shown that Obama is a christian they attack the specific church. I do hope this makes Obama stronger and it’s seen by the American public.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:43 amo for the day when anyone that professes beliefs in magic and superstition would not be electable because of their obvious insanity.
we have much growing up to do as a nation.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:49 amEaster thoughts:
Easter occurs on the first Sunday, after the first full moon, after the Spring Equinox. To know when to celebrate Easter, the Church needs to Know when the moon is full, and when Spring begins.
On a year like 2008, the moon was full only a day after the equinox. Close .Modern Astronomy makes this an easy call BUT
In earlier times, the Church had a problem, since none of this astronomical information is included in the Bible. They had to rely on Mathematicians …and sought the help of Copernicus to discover when to celebrate Easter.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:50 amIn one of the great ironys of the ancient world, Copernicus not only determined when to celebrate Easter…but also determined that the calculations were much simpler, and more accurate, if He put the SUN in the center of the solar system.
Thus the churches search for Easter led to a reversal of their long held position that the Earth was at the center of the Universe.
“Remember that most of those lynchings were performed by Democrats who hated the Republicans for ending Slavery and supporting Civil Rights.”
Ah yes! Lincoln’s Republican party was a coalition of dissenting Whig, Free Soil,Liberty and Democrat Parties. In 1858 Lincoln warned of “Slave power” and promoted “states rights”.
“I am not in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.” Lincoln, 4th Debate, September 18 1858
Then he changed his mind as the South threatened secession.
The Republican and Democratic parties EVOLVED between the 1870’s and the 1930’s where the Republicans abandoned any pretense of representing the balck population whilst the Democrats gradually acquired a conscience as well as realizing the potential for developing blacks as a voting bloc.
It was the modern Democrats who forced the integration of the US military in WWII, the modern Republicm opposed. It was modern Democrats who fought against segregation in the 50s and 60’s the modern Republicans who opposed.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:55 amRantingTommy at 10:35 am
that comment was as stoopid as any trooll’s…
and just as disrespectful…
it’s one thing to profess your own beliefs, but it’s wrong to belittle other’s…
please contribute to the conversation… quit ranting… about nothing…
March 21st, 2008 at 10:57 amthanks.
we need all the help we can get…
Among Obama supporters, 20 percent said they would vote for Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, if Clinton beats their candidate for the nomination. Among Clinton supporters, 19 percent said they would support McCain in November if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Even were this horseshit a valid national sampling, and transferable to a post-nomination clime, it translates to 1 in 10, not 1 in 5. Somebody’s not up to 5th grade arithmetic yet.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:01 amgood_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am
Remember that most of those lynchings were performed by Democrats who hated the Republicans for ending Slavery and supporting Civil Rights.
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Yes, back then the Democrats were the reactionary bigots and Republicans were the progressives. Those positions have reversed. Try to keep up.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:02 amsorry katy, but ‘respecting’ peoples’ fantasies is what holds us back as a nation.
until we grow up past our fairy tales and superstitions, we will be forever susceptible to manipulation by nefarious people and will continue to have wars based on fear and lies.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:05 ammcsame has trouble raising funds, even though he is the presumptive candidate of his party:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2008/ 03/ 21/ us/ politics/ 21funds.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
could this be the reason why:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2008/ 03/ 13/ AR2008031302841_pf.html
March 21st, 2008 at 11:05 amBadger Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Easter thoughts:
Thus the churches search for Easter led to a reversal of their long held position that the Earth was at the center of the Universe
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Noooooooooooooooo! It hurts… it hurts. Take it back.
HERESY! HERESY!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:07 ammissmolly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 11:02 am
gg’s gone molly. (#124)
she was late for a klan rally.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:08 amOh no, a Fox News report says something about the Democrats?! Stop the presses?! This couldn’t possibly be right wring propaganda! If it’s on Fox News!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am5th Estate Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am
“I am not in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.” Lincoln, 4th Debate, September 18 1858
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**cough…** I’ve been laboring under the assumption that the real reason Lincoln chose to issue the Emancipation Proclamation when he did was to screw up the South’s economy. He was hoping it would prove to be disruptive and require the South to keep more troops stationed at home to protect against roving bands of angry ex-slaves, no?
I mean, if Lincoln had been all THAT concerned w/ the slaves’ freedom, he could have issued that proclamation in 1861, huh?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:14 amBush didnt care where Osama is, so dont expect McSame to care where Osama is, but I’m sure he’ll make the same promises about capturing him so the duped dopes will have something to hang their hopes on.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:20 amFrom the mouth of George W. Bush on Sept. 11th 2001:
Where is OBL?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:29 am#103 - good_golly Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am
And don’t forget that most of those same “racist” Democrats left the Democratic pary and joined the Republican party after the Democrats started to support civil rights.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:38 amPublishers of McCain’s book, Hard Call, say that the senator is “related to the Scottish king, Robert the Bruce, ,,,
And we all know he’s related to George the Chickenshit…
March 21st, 2008 at 12:03 pmWe need to start ignoring GiGi, that idiot is creating way too much disruption on this site. You guys do know that GiGi is a PAID TROLL, paid to disrupt and you are helping that scum by responding to it.
So please get it together and IGNORE GiGi.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:07 pmI hope y’all are flagging goon golly.
What a waste of skin.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:11 pmI’m with Ranting Tommy.
Please do not read or feed the trolls.
-Crazy Hussein Cat Lady
March 21st, 2008 at 2:21 pmClarification:
I’m not with Ranting Tommy in dissing others. Respect man! Many Christians are wack jobs, but many are not. View each person individually.
-C Hussein CL
March 21st, 2008 at 2:30 pmAnd Finally: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) doesn’t have royal blood. Publishers of McCain’s book, Hard Call, say that the senator is “related to the Scottish king, Robert the Bruce, on his mother’s side,” but “genealogists and medieval historian” tasked to investigate the link say it’s not so, calling it “wonderful fiction” and “baloney”.
Oh, great precedent. A life of perpetual war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_bruce
March 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmRE: Vice President Dick Cheney’s meeting with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah on Friday “for talks that will include discussions on cooperation to stabilize the oil market.”
But…but…but…I thought Bush said it was best to let the market control oil prices.
????
March 21st, 2008 at 8:41 pm