sure, but we lie alot less. alot less. hateful lies and hateful truths are in no way moral equivalence. in fact, i think its safe to say that an enormous part of the republican platform these days is built on lies and that if they didnt lie they would have very little way in which to vocalize thier hate or thier ideaology….”we care about life”..”we care about the small business owner”..etc etc

> Libs definitely hate equal to the right. ;)

please explain the brilliant mathemathical formula you used to come to that conclusion. where are the left wing swiftboaters and the left wing black baby rumour spreaders? where are the flyers from the DNC telling us effete latte sipping snobs that dumya is going to take away our contraception if he gets elected?

then again, arent you the person beleives that a clump of cells smaller than a comma making it into the nearest garbage can intact is of equal importance to the life and well-being of a living breathing child?
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Ah, yes, choco. Not the best lib defender, but ok.

Since you can no longer claim not to be hateful, now it’s ok to be hateful if you believe what you say to be true? So all the hateful things being said by each of the dem camps in the campaign are true? That’s not very promising for our future president. I’m not a republican, so I feel no need to defend them. But libs need to answer for the fact that they were claiming that dems never attack each other, then when they do it’s somehow somehow someone else’s fault. I’ll allow you to determine the level of hate as long as you don’t deny it’s there on both sides. If it makes you feel better to say you aren’t quite as hateful as someone else, or that your hate is ok because others do it too, go for it.
As for abortion, yes I believe it’s murder. Although I’m sure you are one of the few pro abortionists who believe that pregnancy deserves no special consideration or care since the baby is just a clump of cells until birth.
Now, back to the topic. ;)

upright hussein left

I thought they loved all Democrats. And aren’t they supposed to be “progressive?” Is Hillary Clinton progressive?

sure, but we lie alot less. alot less. hateful lies and hateful truths are in no way moral equivalence. in fact, i think its safe to say that an enormous part of the republican platform these days is built on lies and that if they didnt lie they would have very little way in which to vocalize thier hate or thier ideaology….”we care about life”..”we care about the small business owner”..etc etc

> Libs definitely hate equal to the right. ;)

please explain the brilliant mathemathical formula you used to come to that conclusion. where are the left wing swiftboaters and the left wing black baby rumour spreaders? where are the flyers from the DNC telling us effete latte sipping snobs that dumya is going to take away our contraception if he gets elected?

then again, arent you the person beleives that a clump of cells smaller than a comma making it into the nearest garbage can intact is of equal importance to the life and well-being of a living breathing child?

We can thank people like you to keep that going too can’t we? I guess you think that since you can’t contribute anything positive to the discussion that you will just poke em with a stick.

Talk about a hypocrite. You guys are the masters of hate….and you come here and see one or two posters crossing some imaginary line and you want to pretend that we hate equally to the right…..nice try.
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It’s someone else’s fault that libs are attacking each other, and someone pointing out the fallacy of that statement is responsible for it continuing? So the refusal to take responsibility continues. One or two posters crossing the line? Do you think this thread is the only time it’s happened? There have been numerous threads in the last few weeks in which libs have attacked each other, even calling each other “troll” for disagreeing on one issue. And somehow that’s someone else’s fault. When libs attack their own for disagreeing, you’re going to lose some potential positive comments from libs and independents alike. Libs definitely hate equal to the right. ;)

upright hussein left

We can thank people like you to keep that going too can’t we? I guess you think that since you can’t contribute anything positive to the discussion that you will just poke em with a stick.

Talk about a hypocrite. You guys are the masters of hate….and you come here and see one or two posters crossing some imaginary line and you want to pretend that we hate equally to the right…..nice try.

At what point will you begin to take responsibility for your own actions? No one has made libs turn on each other. You’ve done it yourselves and you bear the responsibility unless someone is holding a gun to your head. Early in the campaign, libs predicted that there would be no negative campaigning by Dems. Now that it’s happening and libs are taking sides, it’s somehow someone else’s fault. You rant, in these threads filled with hate, about the hateful right. Yet your hateful attacks on everyone who disagrees with you, even your own, are justified. The level of hypocrisy of libs on this site is the equal of any of the extreme right blogs. ;)

upright hussein left

There is no way Hillary can win at this point by the will of the people, yet she still hangs in there, hoping the supers will pull her through, knowing the dems are becoming split and will continue to divide unless she does the right thing. Because of this selfish side revealed, I could clearly see her run as an “I” and even do so hoping McCain would win as he would only last one term, therefore she could run again in ‘12 and not be too oid.

Obamabots? Why is it so hard for people like you to believe there are intelligent people who support Senator Obama? Why do you have to resort to this kind of 2nd grade schoolyard language?

It is fact that this website is run by Clinton campaign officials. ThinkProgress is run by the Center for American Progress, which is run by John Podesta, Bill Clinton’s former Chief of Staff. Look it up.

If you do not think Obama has gotten rough treatment from the media, I’m not sure what media you have been watching lately.

This TP post is clearly trying to suggest Obama had something to do with the leak. They try to connect an employee illegally accessing information to the owner of that company, then try to connect that owner is an Obama consultant. That is a ridiculous leap to attempt a guilt-by-association smear.

And no, before you go on another disjointed anti-Obama rant, I do not dislike Hillary, and in no way do I believe she was behind the passport leak either.

anyone think she might even pull a “lieberman”? run “indie”?
randi put that out there one day recently…

boy, wouldn’t THAT be a kicker for the 3rd party dreamers, huh?
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just back from my family dinner…
i’m mad at myself… when the subject of electability came up -
“they won’t elect a woman, and sure as hell wouldn’t elect a black man” -
my daughter’s hand on my thigh was keeping me from engaging -
so now i’m mad at her too – and i let the bullshit go, with my only comment being, “what is this? the 1850s? what is racism and sexism doing in the 21st century?” … and i could feel myself getting pissed off at the ignorance…
the lone dem in a sea of repugs… stupid, bigotted ones too…

and now i’m back home and the space invaders have left, and i’m stewing…
and, hindsight being 20/20, i’m thinking of all the things i wish i HAD said…
recomendations welcome…

ah well…
it’s probably a dead thread too…

this whole passbook spying story stinks to high heaven…

and, i agree, so does TPs handling of it…
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If your state is not yet up for voting, I wish you a good decision when the time comes. There’s nothing wrong with a reservation about Obama. I, too, am a bit shaky about pushing Hillary to the sidelines — not something I’ve openly admitted here.

Happy Easter.

Yes sir, I agree with everything you said in that post. In the back of my mind I keep reminding myself that none of the things that progressives want will ever be realized if a republican gets elected. With either dem we at least have a shot at turning things around…..fingers X’ed.

I think Mr. Obama is much more than a politician. I am trying not to let him achieve too high a standing in my mind until he proves it but he has my attention. I think that is one thing that has the right so scared.

If Clinton becomes the nominee, I expect the democratic party to unite like never before. We’re in a bruising primary process, and I prefer Obama over Clinton, but I think in the end we have to be appreciative that this is a competitive race on the democratic side. The talent pool is deep within the our party.

And I don’t know about you, but rhf’s postings are uncalled for and inflammatory. It’s precisely the example of infighting Republicans want to see.

I agree with almost everything you say…..but I will vote for hillary over any republican.

twocents Says:
Last week, I mentioned my concern here on TP that Hillary used to be President of the Young Republicans and a Goldwater girl…

It’s already been about forty or 50 years since then but it seems like just yesterday.

…then was promptly accused of being a troll.

That’s hard to believe.

Hillary’s NAFTA Lies Kill All of Her Credibility

As I stated before, Hillary is a corporate whore,