U.S. death toll in Iraq hits 4,000.
Four U.S. soldiers were killed in Baghdad today, putting the U.S. death toll at 4,000 since the invasion in 2003, reports MSNBC.
UpdateThe Huffington Post has assembled a photo mosaic "in remembrance of the 4,000 brave men and women who sacrificed everything for us."
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Such is the lasting legacy of George W Bush: Needless war, and needless deaths.
Sure to make any Republican proud.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 pmA sad, horrific mark, but no sadder or more horrific than the poor soldier who will be 4,001, 4,002, 4,003, 4,004……..5,000, etc.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 pmMarch 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Damn.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 pmWill Frank M or Gi_Gi have the balls to come here and tell us how this is something that is not a big deal or that it actually is in some twisted way in their sad, twisted minds a good thing?
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 pmHappy Easter…
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 pmMay all the families with dead 20 year olds that they raised carefully, honestly, to be GOOD AMERICAN SONS someday see justice…
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 pmWhat’s 4,000 US military deaths in return for oil and war profits ?
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 pmThis news breaks my heart. Each of these 4,000 people died trying to do his/her job, but each and everyone of them gave their lives for a cause that never should have been pursued.
I am in no way demeaning their ultimate sacrifice, but believe that these lost lives were pawns in a chess game while Bush thought he was playing checkers.
PEACE
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 pmHappy Easter friends–I hope everyone had a nice day today. Actually, the death toll is really 4,005 — put in http://www.us deaths in iraq today. and there is a couple of places where they are charting the deaths and keeping a daily tally.
This war is sooo wrong and immoral it makes me scream. How Chimpy and his corrupt friends look in the mirror to shave is beyond me.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:49 pmspencers mom Says:
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
This news breaks my heart. Each of these 4,000 people died trying to do his/her job, but each and everyone of them gave their lives for a cause that never should have been pursued.
I am in no way demeaning their ultimate sacrifice, but believe that these lost lives were pawns in a chess game while Bush thought he was playing checkers.
PEACE
Anyone recall Denis Miller’s stand-up act a few years ago , where he claimed Kerry was a chess player and Chimpy a checkers player ?
And how Chimpy was “the man” at that moment , to take down these “terrorists” ; guess even someone with an expansive vocabulary can be (totally) ignorant ……….
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 pmAnother sad and unnecessary mark.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm“Who’ll be the last to die for a mistake?
The last to die for a mistake?
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break?
Who’ll be the last to die for a mistake?”
Bruce Springfield
Last to Die
Inspired by the words of John Kerry
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 pmDo Americans really care?
Do Americans still believe Cheney, Lieberman, and McWar when they proclaim that the “Surge” is working?
What is the hell are we supposed to do with a morally corrupt government and a pitiful enabling media?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 pmThe losses, pain and damage to the American psyche and image from this war of personal vendetta and corporate gain will extend for generations, both here and in the World. Our own Civil War will pale in comparison.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:02 pmOnce again I’m sure Dick Cheney is saying,”So”?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:04 pmIt happened on this day, Easter. Sort of a rotten egg.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 pmOh, and Daryll, not one of these dead soldiers is going to rise from the dead, OK? Their families are shattered, children orphaned, fatherless and or motherless. And for what?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 pmFor nothing.
ForTruth Says:
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 pm
If it happened on April 15th, would it really make a difference?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 pmWaltTheMan Says:
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
ForTruth Says:
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 pm
If it happened on April 15th, would it really make a difference?
Not to Chimpy and Co and the jackals making profit off it…….
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 pmNo Walt, it wouldn’t make a difference. The entire thing is a rotten-egg.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 pmCan you look into the faces of the families of all four thousand at once and tell them it was worth it?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 pmI’m not a Christian, but on this Easter, Jesus wept.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pmAnd the prize for 4000 US deaths and hundreds of thousand dead Iraqis is: A FAILED STATE!!!
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pmMichael Lafferty Says:
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
“Who’ll be the last to die for a mistake?
The last to die for a mistake?
Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break?
Who’ll be the last to die for a mistake?”
Bruce Springfield
Last to Die
Inspired by the words of John Kerry
Mike,
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 pmThats a great verse! I gave it an ‘R’.
#13. Am I pointing out the obvious to say the song is from Bruce Springsteen?
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pmSo, Mike is not German! He translated the name to Irish.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmAbsolutely sickening. Bush will not lose a wink of sleep and tomorrow will be business as usual. Any one who voted for this criminal has the blood of 4000 Americans on their hands, not to mention hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 pmInteresting comments as I’m a Mother of an active soldier and know the truth from the front line, I’m sorry to tell you the number of soldiers who have died in much much higher then 4000. Just as Americans believed what their told it is just another lie spread by the Media and White House. The number of dead US soldiers was reached along time ago. As for the 9/11 victims the Foreign press has informed that as Americans noticed the terrorist were mainly from Saudi Arabia and with the fake story of Saddam working with Al Qaeda one would think Americans couldn’t be fooled but Americans were and still are. So keep listening to the lies as the Economy continues to fall, most of you never lived during the Great Depression but with McCain or Obama you’ll get to live it for yourself.
Most American don’t even remember how the Taliban were invited guest to the United States by then Gov. George W. Bush. During their visit they were given a tour of Washington and all the Departments. Just to like them know how America works. Now isn’t it the same Taliban the US is fighting in Afghanistan? Looks like our President invited the future enemy and gave then all the information they needed. Just like Osama Bin Laden was recruited by Dick Cheney for fight for the United States and now they call him the enemy. Who’s next on the list of future US enemies that this Administration has either threaten or invited to show them around. But if you ask an American they’ll say they never knew that but they can name all the Simpson Family cartoon.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm4000 families ruined forever.
For what? Oil?
God help us.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 pmNow, has the mission been accomplished Mr. President?
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pmI don’t believe it: CNN’s ace anchor, Rick Sanchez just asked Michael Ware if the number of Iraqi dead would be two, three, or four times that number!!!
Ware said a conservative estimate was 80,000–100,000. He should have said that the best methodology gives an answer of 1,100,000!!! That’s 250 X 4,000!!!
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pmThis is so sad — and so unnecessary.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 pmTomorrow it will be business as usual at the White House, Cheney will say, “So?!” Bush will say we’re fighting them there….the surge is working. Graham, Lieberman, McCain and the Republicans will say this is all worth it — for whom, I ask. All I see is the Saudis are wealthy beyond measure; the oil companies have made their deal for oil in Iraq, Bush&Co have involved us in a war from which we cannot easily leave. If we leave tomorrow, chaos will reign — if we leave next year, chaos will reign. No matter when, we will have more blood on our hands because of Bush.
I am so sick of their attitude and their meaningless words.
OT… but is it?
US wants Britain to lead ’surge’ in southern Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ afp/ 20080323/ wl_mideast_afp/ britainusiraqmilitary
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pmBTW, Rick Sanchez is a moron. I can’t believe that he is employed by CNN or any network for that matter - he is vapid, vacuous and very stupid.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pmHe is best seen being blown across pavement in hurricanes.
Hey folks, be glad GOP-Golly , Frank M and Darryl aren’t here today. They only derail the thread anyway.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pmThey got an ole saying in Texas: “Hey, bring ‘em on!”
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 pmMaie,
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 pmI liked it when he was shot with a taser—just to show people what it’s like.
I’m surprised one of the piss-soaked trolls hasn’t arrived to claim that we’re “celebrating” the 4000 dead.
If they show up, it’s Cal’s fault. ;)
March 24th, 2008 at 12:00 amZooey Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I’m surprised one of the piss-soaked trolls hasn’t arrived to claim that we’re “celebrating” the 4000 dead.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Great minds….
March 24th, 2008 at 12:02 amZooey,
March 24th, 2008 at 12:07 amYou ever party with Mary Ann in Driggs, Teton County?
Keith Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Great minds….
The best!!
I’ve never been to Teton County, Idaho — only been to the Tetons on the Wyoming side. I’m guessing Mary Ann is a fun person? :)
March 24th, 2008 at 12:12 amZooey,
March 24th, 2008 at 12:13 amhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336817,00.html
Oh, THAT Mary Ann. :-D
Funny.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:20 amThis goes far beyond 4,000 damaged families. In the US alone there are another 30,000 or so damaged families of war wounded, plus the an unknown number of PTSD cases. Factor in all the missing time from home, and it starts really adding up. I know those who sign up for the military do so to protect this country. But they didn’t sign up to create a Pax Americana in the middle east. Or to act as a mercenary force for corporate oil interests.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:20 amWhat is supportive about adding to the 4,000 already dead soldiers? Tragically the psychological answer to that might well be pride. For McCain & his ilk supporting troops means preventing the humiliation of a Vietnam-style defeat. It also means exposure of our soldiers to horrible dangers, because of pride. 5 years in Iraq and pride trumps protection of our troops.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:36 amZooey Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Oh, THAT Mary Ann. :-D
Funny.
I always found Gilligan to be a bit more amusing ………..
March 24th, 2008 at 12:45 amMCMetal Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:45 am
I always found Gilligan to be a bit more amusing ………..
But I bet you never wanted to jump his bones…
March 24th, 2008 at 12:50 amYou gotta figure our politicans are stuck in the civil war era, where it took 400,000 before we started caring. Who knows? 100 more years and we may very well “achieve” that.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:51 amZooey Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:50 am
MCMetal Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:45 am
I always found Gilligan to be a bit more amusing ………..
But I bet you never wanted to jump his bones…
Because that’s all he was ………..bones
March 24th, 2008 at 12:52 amHeh. So you liked the Captain?
March 24th, 2008 at 12:53 amTime to surround Congress and the White House and demand ACCOUNTABILITY! Time to Demand the Bush and Chnney’s INDICTMENT! Time to Demand the ARREST OF THE WAR CRIMINALS and THE END OF THESE OIL WARS! IT IS TIME FOR BUSH, CHENNEY AND Co. TO BE BEHIND BARRS!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 1:00 amThe World can’t wait!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 1:01 amZooey Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Heh. So you liked the Captain?
Not nearly as much as he liked his “little buddy” , apparently……..
March 24th, 2008 at 1:11 amAnother strange thing about the beginning of all this chaos. How come there was no real investigation of 9-11? I don’t remember the FBI performing an intense investigation nor any entity from New York. The fire fighters all had numerous things to say about what really happened but were silenced by an indifferent media and coercive influences. We don’t have reporters or journalists anymore. All we have are talking heads who only give us what their corporate owners allow them to or no more fat paycheck. All that has happened under this corrupt, vile administration has been in one way or another orchestrated and carried out with impunity. Why? Why do the Bush/Cheney cabal get a nearly 100% free pass? Has anyone noticed the home mortgage crisis? How about the gas prices that have risen over 200% since Bush was appointed in 2000? Nothing is being done. Hell, even congress is doing nothing to challenge them. They must be complicit because I cannot understand why they are doing absolutely nothing except for the fact that it all revolves around money and power. Don’t make waves and you get money. Simple as that. This is sickening. Health care, inflation, recession barely get a breath from this administration. All they rave about is the imminent terrorist threats and winning in Iraq.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:16 amTheir version of winning in Iraq will never happen, but they would like us to believe that as soon as that happens all our troubles will magically disappear. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their stupidity.
I have one more challenge to Bush and his fantasy about installing democracy in the middle east. When will you demand that Saudi Arabia install a democratic government, George? Don’t anyone hold their breath. Just more hypocrisy. These villainous cretins need to be removed from office either by impeachment (not likely since Pelosi and Reid are spineless) or military coup (also not likely and not advisable but, at least they’d be gone). If we should be so fortunate as to have these criminals finally exposed for what they really are and for them to finally pay for their misdeeds I guess I’d have to finally use an appropriate quote from Dick Cheney, “So.” Because I’ve become as indifferent to them as they are indifferent to us.
Aupumn Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:51 am
You gotta figure our politicans are stuck in the civil war era, where it took 400,000 before we started caring. Who knows? 100 more years and we may very well “achieve” that.
There won’t be a United States in 100 years.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:18 amThen no, you’re not a mother of an active soldier, you’re just a liar.
Just like I’d be a liar if I claimed I was involved in the space program and that I knew how shoddy the bolts were and that I had to buy some myself at Walmart. It’s something you can only do if you have absolutely no appreciation of what is involved, including the fact that such a lie cannot exist without several million people knowing about it, including those with the most motivation to expose it.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:29 amKilo
March 24th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Flagged.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:40 amKilo, you’re really full of shit, as usual. we have been lied to every day, in every way, by this administration. there is no question that the US troop death toll is substantially higher than they will tell us. Tools like you allow them to spin their lies.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:44 am4000. 4000. Heh. Who cares. That’s a handful of people nobody cares about. “Oh, but my son died in Iraq” and “my wife died in Iraq” and whatever. But 4000? ONE MILLION. ONE MILLION. Your grief is real, but multiply that by TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY and you’ll feel what they feel. The number is ONE MILLION, not 4000. 4000 is a tree in the forest compared to the death toll of this war. The Iraqis are people. The American soldiers bravely gave their lives to their country; the Iraqi people made no such choice; they had theirs stolen from them. They wish they could give their lives — they wish their dead relatives and friends still had lives to give, all one million of them. ONE MILLION. That’s your entire county, dead, or your entire state, dead. And here we are crying that 4000 volunteers have died. Get some scale. Someone should mourn the 4000, but everyone should mourn the 1000000.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:51 amWell you’ve really been slacking off if posts citing an obvious lie is what qualifies as abuse. Chop chop. Let’s see if anything’s left at the end.
Correct, there is no such question. Just a single unsupported statement that this is so, and now another from you.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:04 amYou’re not contradicting what I’ve written, you’re confirming it.
When Bush’s time comes, in honor of his LIES, and the GENOCIDE of 1 Million Iraqis and 4000 soldiers for his LIES,
WHAT do you think his new MASTER Satan will do?
HMMMMMMM?
March 24th, 2008 at 2:09 amDoes someone have any info about the oft discussed claim that the military only counts fatalaties of soldiers who die in iraq (as opposed to being wounded in iraq but dying in a hosptial in another country), or the other claim ive heard which is that mortally wounded soldiers who aren’t likely survive more than some amount of time ( say, a day) are retired before they die so thier deaths dont count? I saw some informatin about this somewhere, im not sure where, I was trying to confirm its accuracy.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:48 am>posts citing an obvious lie
you mean lies like blackwater having more accountability than any other company even they though they just coincidentally happened to by hired by a division of the government that makes them immune from prosecution for criminal acts commited overseas?
March 24th, 2008 at 3:08 amThe obvious source would be those tracking these figures in Iraq.I had a look at icasualties and instead found this listed on their DOD press release…
02/14/08 Washington, Javares J. DoD Confirmation Non-hostile - vehicle accident Kuwait City (Camp Buehring)
There’s no name on icasualties.org until the DoD releases it. Once they release it there’s a link to the DoD press release. Those press releases have a common url. So does the name of the hospital in Germany where most US casualties are extracted to from Iraq.
Here are the press releases for people dying in that German hospital where it is mentioned by name…
http://www.google.com.au/ search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3A.defenselink.mil%2Freleases%2F+landstuhl&btnG=Search&meta=
Same again for bethesda stateside…
http://www.google.com.au/ search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3A.defenselink.mil%2Freleases%2F+died+bethesda&btnG=Search&meta=
That answer your question?
If not, ask yourself WTF is the rabidly leftist Bill Moyers’ reason for covering up the contents of PBS’s in-tray when the faces of those confirmed killed in Iraq shown on PBS keep leaving out everyone who was evacuated.
I don’t call people saying they are family of enlisted men liars lightly. I certainly do so when they suggest they wouldn’t bother telling anyone if there son got killed in Iraq and his death wasn’t recorded anywhere. And I do mean her specifically, because that horseshit needs 100% complicity or it doesn’t work.
It’s year 6. 4000 families. Tell me your brain would let you bet $0.05 cents on 100% complicity for that. You won’t because you can’t and neither will anyone else. Because there’s nobody here THAT stupid.
That doesn’t deserve an answer. But it does deserve you putting a few moments in to recall what you’ve been reading that would make such a claim and then telling us though.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:18 amYou don’t get to talk to anyone about what constitutes an obvious lie after what you just posted. What have you been reading, the Russian press from 1967 ???
March 24th, 2008 at 3:21 amThe state media in Iran wouldn’t lie like that about the US. I shudder to think what the hell you are reading. Or why you’ve sought it out.
>You don’t get to talk to anyone about what constitutes an >obvious lie after what you just posted.
Uhm ok nice dodge. I just posted a question. Apologizes for the intellectual curiousity it may not be something you can relate to. And you’ll have to forgive my simple mind, but I asked if the deaths that take place outside of iraq were counted in the total that is now 4000, I didnt ask if they were publicized or not.
I still havent seen anything that addreses that.
>What have you been reading, the Russian press from 1967 ???
Alot of things. Seeing as I dont read Russian, that wouldnt be one of them. Pardon me for trying to gather information for many different sources. And thanks but really, no one gives a shit what you think deserves and answer or not. If you think the military doesnt try to hide the reality of war, tell that to families of soldiers who want to the press to be there when they greet thier loved ones remains at the airport …the press has been banned since dumbyas dad was embarrased by pics of him + barb laughing shown side by side with dead soldiers coming home. And before you say it, no, im no clinton fan either.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:33 am>http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?>releaseid=7056
why on earth are you giving me a link to a press release about the death of a retired admiral when i asked about how the iraq bodycount is calculated?
March 24th, 2008 at 3:37 amIt is a nice and proper face you guys put on every time you know you’re supposed to act sorrowful for the soldiers killed in Iraq. However it is a little telling what you think of them when you write crap like this.
There are hundreds of thousands of military personnel involved in care for soldiers wounded in Iraq, from combat medics, to surgeons inside and out of Iraq all the way through to post-op care and rehab services. Working in what would possibly be the least objectionable and least appreciated roles in the US military.
What you are talking about is all of them being in on such a revolting scam that it is hard to conjure up the fkn obscenties that would be appropriate to describe it.
That’s the premise you need to be working with in order to entertain this as even rating as a question.
That those bunch of c$@%s who do nothing other than work their arses off to save the lives of injured servicemen are all of them complicit in covering up the fact that they died.
The same goes for all those who served with these men in Iraq. Their families. Those who knew them who would be waiting to see how they were honoured in the press. All of them. Complicit.
Flag this.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:37 amI didn’t give you any press release.
I gave you a page full of them where details of people dying in medical care outside of Iraq is clearly reported along with where they were wounded inside Iraq.
WTF are you doing you disgusting little specimin ? Trying to pretend you didn’t just get what you asked for ? Trying to cling to the validity of such a disgusting lie about US troops that I cannot even imagine where you read it.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:41 am>WTF are you doing you disgusting little specimin ?
Blow me you community college philosophy major dropout. All you do is come on here with your obtuse, clumsily worded criticisms that basically all boil down to “your so dumb you agreed with me and you’re too stupid to realize it”.
I asked for proof one way or another that when a soldier dies out of the war theatre, that his death is added to the tally. You posted a bunch of links to press releases about dead soldiers. I didnt ask whether the military didnt acknowledge thier deaths. I asked for some information about casualty count methodology and you didnt supply any.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:52 am>are all of them complicit in covering up the fact that they >died.
you make no sense. medical personal are not responsible for pentagon casusalty count methodology. thats like saying that surgeons are responsible for the accurate compliling of statistics about the total amount of gunshot wounds in amierca.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:55 amKeltoi, if your idea of a rabid leftist is Bill Moyers, then you are really showing your ignorance. Moyers likes LBJ, JFK, and Carter.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:19 amSorry, above should be KILO.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:21 amCheney - So ?
March 24th, 2008 at 4:40 amAnd you do your best to prove me right.
What tally you muppet ???
Is it a tally of sports scores ? Batting averages ? Gross shipping tonnage ?
Because if it was the tally of war dead and I cite press releases complete with names, places and circumstances of death which can be cross referenced on a website that does NOTHING other than tally US war casualties, I wouldn’t have thought you’d need much more direction on where to look.
I’ve met bricks smarter than you.
And I told you that I found those press releases at the websites that tally them to come up with the numbers cited here. And you’re still claiming there’s nowhere to look to see if the people you know died outside Iraq are counted in such counts, listed most prominantly on the website I cited.
Gee WTF could you possibly do to find out what the url to icasualties.org could be. Or what other great lengths you might have to go to to find numbers of soldiers killed in iraq…
http://www.google.com.au/ search?&q=soldiers+killed+in+iraq
No hints there either I guess eh.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:05 amWhat’s that make you, a grade school drop out ?
Likewise, the soldiers who served with these men in Iraq also aren’t responsible for maintaining the numbers killed either.
Lucky for this vast malicious conspiracy, I guess, that nobody who ever fought and died beside each other ever formed the sought of friendship that would prompt them to ever visit the gravesite of their fellow soldiers…. and find those graves non-existant.
And never wonder what happened to that missing soldier because the medical staff never listed them as dying in the first place. They would, I guess, be inventing their own lies to record them as discharged. Something they’ll need to lie about for years to family and unit members who keep asking.
Is there any faceat of this you are willing to use your head on yourself without being badgered into first ?
I ask because unless you think soldiers and the families than spawn them are simply inhuman, I struggle to imagine what scenario you think could occur where nobody who knew them bothered to ask why they went to Iraq and never came back. Just never bothered asking.
And look at the effort you are putting into not accepting something so obvious in contradiction to something so nonsensical and grounded in nothing other than reprehensible slander of your country and servicemen.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:26 amSoldiers wounded in Iraq, who go home to America and then die from the wounds, the DoD does not include their deaths in their official count.
heres the proof
http://icasualties.org/oif/
LOOK FOR Post Iraq Deaths Not Confirmed By the DoD
they are often little more than a mention in a local newspaper there must be hundreds
March 24th, 2008 at 6:14 amTony Snow just held a press conference and announced “it’s just a higher number” ……………..
March 24th, 2008 at 6:27 amTHATS A LIE!
the death toll is well over 12,000 counting “mercenaries”
cmon think do something that will really outrage us dont just reiterate the AP
oldhacks.blogspot.com
i have the link to actual daily statistics in my blog.
its titled “casualty report”
March 24th, 2008 at 6:55 amKrazny Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am
This goes far beyond 4,000 damaged families. In the US alone there are another 30,000 or so damaged families of war wounded, plus the an unknown number of PTSD cases.
The 4,000 figure is inaccurate anyway. It only counts soldiers who actually die in Iraq. It doesn’t count 150 or so who were injured in Iraq and then died of their injuries in Germany or the US. The real total is well over 4,000.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:05 amIraq ‘Cooperation Agreement’
when this deal is signed thats when Al Sadrs ceasefire stops
when this deal is signed the Awakening council will turm to kill more Us troops
March 24th, 2008 at 7:36 amDick Cheney: “So?”
March 24th, 2008 at 7:58 amNo, you’re lying.
That lists 6 people not included in the DOD toll. There’s more than that on the first page of the google results I posted above who are included. Either way, it’s 6 soldiers wounded in Iraq who have later died in the US from their wounds, in 5 years, among 4000.
That’s what you are using as a basis for saying no evacuated wounded are included. Either your sincere belief that all 6 US soldiers wounded in Iraq in the past 5 years haven’t been, or your willingness to lie to keep a fantasy alive.
Again this myth continues unabated based purely on gullibility, ignorance and a need for it to be true.
I guess that whole “reality based community” gig got boring and an alternate reality community just sounded so much more entertaining.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:11 amKilo Says No, you’re lying. Tobie Tall
78 > read the last sentence
they are often little more than a mention in a local newspaper there must be hundreds
please apologies
March 24th, 2008 at 8:17 amand Kilo yes it only lists 6
BUT consider this >link on 79
4 where 2007
1 in 2005
1 in 2003
these were only discovered by accident ….there will be hundreds more
never mind the some say 15,000 suicides when troops come home that figure is actually reporting order on it , took keep it huah huah
March 24th, 2008 at 8:21 amI mean reporting black out - to keep it Hush Hush
March 24th, 2008 at 8:22 amdont forget 247,000 troops are on sickness benefits for LIFE
March 24th, 2008 at 8:22 amalso dont forget 4 men missing or captured
March 24th, 2008 at 8:28 amONE is too many.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:31 amResults from the list of US DoD death notifications for soldiers wounded in Iraq and dying in just one of 3 hospitals (for which I personally can think of the names of) in Germany/US.
These names appear on the full listing of US deaths…
http://icasualties.org/oif/US_NAMES.aspx
You are liars.
And you’re not just repeating any old lie, you’re repeating one that is wholly unsupported, practically instantly disprovable and which came from a man best known as a fabricator, fraud and possible holocaust denier.
Try claiming you weren’t one of the 75% of the US convinced Saddam and his remote controlled planes weren’t a clear and present danger to the US, if you’re happy to declare you’ll believe shit like this without any evidence.
For that matter, try claiming you don’t believe there’s a huge red M&M that talks to a yellow one.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 am92 > Kilo
SO ?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 amYou mean like a small country newspaper?
The kind they have in small country towns. Where 1 local kid dying would REALLY be news. Where nobody in that town wouldn’t know about it. But everyone stayed hush for some unknown reason, not yet explained. And I do mean everyone. In every case that it has happened. Always. No exceptions. For 5 years.
This is a story today in the NYT….
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2008/ 03/ 22/ nyregion/ 22benefits.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin#
It refers to the half-million dollars in death benefits your family would need to decide to go without in order to keep your death off those lists where their ultimate sacrifice for their country would otherwise be recorded.
Big, big, counterintuitive, bizarre sacrifices you are suggesting on the part of hundreds of gold star families.
Any evidence or reasoning you’ve come up with to suggest this isn’t anything other than a lie, and a dumb one at that ? No ?
If you believe that then this is a measure of how much you want this idiotic little fantasy to be true and nothing more.
Your repetition of this once you know it to be readily disprovable and nothing other than a wholly unsubstantiated claim by nobody other than a known fabricator, is evidence of this.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:48 amI remember when the troops deaths reached 3000 on a New Years Eve 2006-7, Saddam was hung a couple days later with dignity , the same Night George Bush was cowering in a Humvee at his ranch because he was terrified of the hurricane wind outside, If he had taken the Iraq study groups findings and withdrew
more than 1000 troops would still be alive
Iraq would be under reconstruction and the civil strife SORTED out by now
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 amwhy are republicans like this kilo sissy so scared?
America is strong enough to defeat terrorist criminals without resorting to war and giving up freedoms.
Why do republicans think America is so weak?
Are they just projecting their own cowardice and weakness?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 amI’m trying to think of that word that is used when everything is the opposite of what you say it is…there is another word too when the previous word is used by a sitting president to promote a war of aggression against a country that poses no threat…hmmmm what are those words? The media seem to have totally forgotten them also. Oh hell, we are only losing our democracy….’So’!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 amNo, that’d be you doing the projecting. Personally I’ve never met a Republican, yet still somehow managed to join a party I’m not eligible to.
BTW, were you thinking that paranoid fantasies about your government digging secret mass graves for hidden US casualties or planting bombs in buildings, come from a position of strength rather than fear ?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 amkilo
So what ?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 amThe civil strife gets SORTED when the death squads have killed off the rest of the Sunni minority kid. That’s how a GENOCIDE works. Now, sure, they would have got a lot of that done in the past year without US troops in the way, but it would have still taken more than a year.
Something you’ll come to appreciate after those troops are withdrawn and it resumes in full force. And since nobody here seems to ever mention this as a downside to withdrawal, I do mean appreciate.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 amhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7310924.stm
US soldiers interviewed by AFP news agency in Iraq said they were saddened by the figure of 4,000 but argued the conflict was justified.
“Every one of those people signed up voluntarily and it’s a shame that that happens, but tragedies do happen in war,” said senior Airman Preston Reeves, 26.
–Though every one joined the military voluntarily, not everyone joined to fight in Iraq. Indeed plenty of the dead (and wounded of course) are National Guard whose expectations of actually fighting on foreign soil would have to have been pretty low.—
Staff Sergeant Jonathan Criss, 37, said the US could not “just walk away and leave the Iraqi people”.
—Ah yes the Iraqi people, also known as ragheads and “hajis”. Would that include the 14,000 plus incarcerated, the 1 million internally displaced and the 2 million refugee diaspora including the women forced to prostitute themselves in Syria to make ends meet, or the translators who risk their lives alongside the US troops but are given no respite from the violence or worthy compensation of any kind for their efforts? Such concern for the Iraqi people’s well being after 5 years of bloody and murderous occupation; methinks the Staff Sergeant doth protest too much.—
“If you interviewed the 30,000 [wounded], they would have no ill will,” he added.
—As long as you didn’t interview all the IVAW members of course. And I’m so-o sure if you interviewed those who have survived their tours physically unscathed and who have been given their orders to deploy again in June, like my neighbor’s nephew and brother, they’d say “bring it on”? I happen to know THEY don;t want to go back–but they will anyway, because they’ve been ordered-to. THAT is not volunteering.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:16 amWow! The troll police really got their money’s worth with this Kilo clown. Why aren’t you over there Kilo? Sign up and go, please!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:27 amI don’t worry about what the actual number of deaths related to the Iraq war because there shouldn’t have been any because we never should have invaded them to begin with!
If Kilo likes to read so much then go here, http://www.newamericancentury.org/ RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf. Read page 51 about “the new Pearl Harbor.” 9-11 sure was a coincidence for those neocon nutjobs you seem to fawn all over.
And please explain how it is that you’ve never met a republican and about joining a party you’re not eligible to. The only way that could be is if you’re under 18 and a complete shut-in or you are from another country. If the latter is the case then how and why did you join the republican party? Maybe a case of voter fraud?
Something you’ll come to appreciate after those troops are withdrawn and it resumes in full force. And since nobody here seems to ever mention this as a downside to withdrawal, I do mean appreciate.
Aided in no small part by all the weapons we cannot account for, wielded by our erstwhile partners. By your measure,we must stay permanently, as genocide will occur the second we leave. And since we have slow-mo genocide happening anyway, we’re damned either way. But at least we woulnd’t be footing the enomous bill anymore.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 amDarth Cheney upon hearing this:
“So? Let’s electrocute, kill with poisonous water, 4000 more…”
March 24th, 2008 at 9:33 amThe Nazi Chimp:
“It’s just a number. Pass me a Bud”
March 24th, 2008 at 9:35 amThere’ll be a special place in Hell for Cheney & Bush.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:38 amKilo, You would have thought that this would be one thread where everyone would try to show a little respect for all of our veterans.
One person says something for you to use as ammo and you turn this thread into a screaming match. You show disrespect for our soldiers to further your agenda…..just what we have come to expect from bush apologists.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:39 am#56, Mr.Evil,
I couldn’t have said it better. I agree with you 100%.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:40 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Tobie Tall Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 am
I remember … New Years Eve 2006-7,…
Iraq would be under reconstruction and the civil strife SORTED out by now
The civil strife gets SORTED when the death squads have killed off the rest of the Sunni minority kid. That’s how a GENOCIDE works. Now, sure, they would have got a lot of that done in the past year without US troops in the way, but it would have still taken more than a year.
Something you’ll come to appreciate after those troops are withdrawn and it resumes in full force. And since nobody here seems to ever mention this as a downside to withdrawal, I do mean appreciate.
Do you enjoy being viewed as a clueless assbag , who’s honing in on being considered retarded ?
A bloody civil war is an INEVITABILITY ; who is going to stop it ?
An AWOL coward and/or an equally clueless plus senile old fart ?
The Iraqis need to sort out their own differences ; who tried to referee our own Civil War ?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 amI flagged kilo at every post in this thread.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 amI’m waiting anyday now, for Asshat McBush to come out and say something stupid like, “It’s only a number”…
This senile old-windbag needs to be put out to pasture.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 amI take it you mean the kooks pretending they can’t grasp english or the operation of google. Got some real winners on the case there have you pal.
Well way to pick a thread to post in then champ.
Well then it’s probably not the best idea to give authorisation for invasion to a President who clearly wanted to do that then!
Mthfker who could have figured out that would be the result ?
Yeah I’ve read that before. I’ve also read it’s predecessors. They influenced the decision to invade Iraq the last time, which was narrowly avoided. This too is explained in a document from the 1990s…
http://www.slate.com/id/8373/
You’ve read that incorrectly, and the rest of it isn’t that hard to figure out.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:44 amGood for you, pussy.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amI’m waiting anyday now, for Asshat McBush to come out and say something stupid like, “It’s only a number”…
You might as well give that up, as the Kool Kids have all decided that Gramps McCain should be the next president.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amUmmm , Kilo
Chimpy was given authorization to use force as a “last resort” ; did he ?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amYou might as well give that up, as the Kool Kids have all decided that Gramps McCain should be the next president.
I just lost my cookies. McSenile doesn’t have chance in hell.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 amJust waiting for McTickingBomb to tell someone to go f_ck themselves on the campaign trail. This wll reverberate all over the news, You Tube. etc. Can’t wait.
Kilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am
# Fred Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 am
I flagged kilo at every post in this thread.
Good for you, pussy.
Zip it , tough guy
You defend/apologize/excuse-make for an AWOL coward and a 5 deferrment chickenshit ; not exactly a duo reminscent of Rambo ………………
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 amKilo likes to pretend that the Iraq war is a noble cause because we’re preventing people from killing each other in a massive slaughter based on what? What tribe they belong to? Their prayer methodology? Let’s pretend…
Let’s pretend that we never went to Iraq. Saddam Hussein had a deep dislike and fear of Islamic fundamentalitsts. That’s why he squashed any uprising swiftly. And he still had enough of an army to keep Iran at bay and worried so they didn’t pose any real problem either. If Saddam were still in Iraq as our puppet as he once was there would be no insurgency, civil war or American deaths! Wow! Think about it Kilo. If Saddam had been assassinated or died of natural causes and the Shiites and Sunnis started killing each other because Saddam was no longer there to keep them civil even if by a heavy hand, do you think Bush and Cheney would go there to save the day and end the civil war? How about a resounding NO! Does Darfur ring a bell? I don’t want to hear a load of shit about how much they care about the Iraqi people because it simply isn’t true. The Bush/Cheney neocon cabal is about greed, power and oil. They sure as hell aren’t concerned with humanity.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 amSo, during the surge thus far 914 US troops have been Killed in action. This is a sucess how? Becuase it is lower than the 933 who died over a similar period prior to the surge? A period where the casualties were such that the US public said enough! and voted the republicans out of power?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 amI don’t think McSenile listens to his “handlers”.
This is a good thing.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:51 amJust waiting for McTickingBomb to tell someone to go f_ck themselves on the campaign trail. This wll reverberate all over the news, You Tube. etc. Can’t wait.
Things only get reported if the Koolies think it won’t hurt Gramps politically. Or if reported by a newbie, who doesn’t yet realize how the game works.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:51 amI believe the party you refer to is the same one currently intervening in Darfur and who previously did the same in Rwanda, Cambodia, East Timor, Burma, etc to head off those genocide campaigns.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 amYet more cases of people needing to sort out their own differences and just getting on with that eh.
Got any Jewish friends you can mull these opinions over with ?
I don’t agree at all:
If McSameasBush told someone to f_ck themselves, I’m sorry this will make the news.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:54 amKilo likes to pretend that the Iraq war is a noble cause because we’re preventing people from killing each other in a massive slaughter based on what?
Kilo’s pleased that his agenda is being enacted, while none of his country’s soldiers are having to pay the price, nor are they supporting the war financially. He gets to crow about the terrorist threat, while someone else pays the cost.
A real serious thinker.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 amIt is well worth viewing Bill Maher’s interview with Michael Ware about the realities in out fabled oil colony, and also Hillary’s oily fable about her arrival in Tuzla.
Draft Kilo first!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 amPeople like Kilo live in denial so deep, it’s smells like S_it.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 amIf McSameasBush told someone to f_ck themselves, I’m sorry this will make the news.
Go the Glenn Greenwald’s Salon page. He details how badly the media are “in the tank” for McCain, and have already admitted that they are self-censoring McCain’s remarks.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:58 amMCMetal Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 am
ROTFLMFAO!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 am
MCMetal Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 am
A bloody civil war is an INEVITABILITY ; who is going to stop it ?
The Iraqis need to sort out their own differences ; who tried to referee our own Civil War ?
I believe the party you refer to is the same one currently intervening in Darfur and who previously did the same in Rwanda, Cambodia, East Timor, Burma, etc to head off those genocide campaigns.
Yet more cases of people needing to sort out their own differences and just getting on with that eh.
Got any Jewish friends you can mull these opinions over with ?
You’re trying to compare GENOCIDES to a civil war ?
And what the hell do the Jews have to do with anything ; when the hell did they ever have a civil war in Israel , you dizzy chicken ?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 amIs there anyone here who can address me without lying ?
I’ve said nothing other than the people here lying about what is excluded from US casualties lists are liars. This is of course a personal defense of Bush and Cheney, just in a way that’s not able to be put into words to form some sort of explanation of how that’s so.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 amYou’re 12 right ?
Go the Glenn Greenwald’s Salon page. He details how badly the media are “in the tank” for McCain, and have already admitted that they are self-censoring McCain’s remarks.
Then I guess we’re all f_cked. Might as well say goodbye now: USA RIP. I guess that’s when they open the Concentration Camps.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 amso….you’re not even American? Can you tell us where you are from….
March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 am
# MCMetal Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 am
You defend/apologize/excuse-make for an AWOL coward and a 5 deferrment chickenshit ; not exactly a duo reminscent of Rambo
Is there anyone here who can address me without lying ?
I’ve said nothing other than the people here lying about what is excluded from US casualties lists are liars. This is of course a personal defense of Bush and Cheney, just in a way that’s not able to be put into words to form some sort of explanation of how that’s so.
You’re 12 right ?
You believe the duo who has made every branch of the US government incredibly partisan and themselves above the law and secretive beyond anything any democracy has ever seen , aren’t screwing with the actual casualty numbers also ?
You’re more naive than a child………..
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 amEr… yeah. Let’s pretend indeed. Let’s pretend that we’ve forgotten several years of reporting from Iraq referring to people kidnapped off the street and from their homes based on their surnames and dumped in the street tortured and executed by the dozen days later.
Are you seriously suggesting you don’t know what I am talking about ? If so, say it.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 amFred Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Kilo Says:
And please explain how it is that you’ve never met a republican and about joining a party you’re not eligible to.
You’ve read that incorrectly, and the rest of it isn’t that hard to figure out.
so….you’re not even American? Can you tell us where you are from….
He’s the mayor of Loserville………..
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 amAnd draft Michael Ware 2nd apparently. He is after all predicting the same thing I am kid. Or did you listen that far into teh realitiez.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:07 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Your problem is that you are a blind follower who would blissfully fall into an abyss like the lemming you are for the likes of Bush/Cheney. Btw, I’ve addressed you several times without lying, Chump.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:07 amkilo,
March 24th, 2008 at 10:07 amyou are not making any sense. could you please come to the point. We don’t read your republicanspeak so if you have something you would like to communicate to us besides the fact that you think everyone except you is stupid then we are waiting……
Not as serious as you, Allison DuBois.
What’s the name of the dead guy you’re channelling to read all the things I haven’t written here. A Mr Strawman perhaps ?
Yeah why don’t you stick to criticising shit that exists nowhere outside your head and then talk to someone else about being a “serious thinker”.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:10 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Sachem Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 am
It is well worth viewing Bill Maher’s interview with Michael Ware about the realities in out fabled oil colony, and also Hillary’s oily fable about her arrival in Tuzla.
Draft Kilo first!
And draft Michael Ware 2nd apparently. He is after all predicting the same thing I am kid. Or did you listen that far into teh realitiez.
You want the United States military to draft an Australian journalist , nitwit ?
Let’s see if we can draft Merkel and Sarkozy , 3rd and 4th , while we’re at it ………
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 amWhat’s the name of the dead guy you’re channelling to read all the things I haven’t written here. A Mr Strawman perhaps ?
You have supported Bush’s agenda from your first appearance. You’re saying now that you don’t agree? Please enlighten us, with examples of your disagreement. I’d like to see them.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:15 amI just quoted you saying “lets pretend” and questioning why Iraqis would be killing other Iraqis as though I had made it up, rather than it being what’s accounted for the majority of the fkn enormous death figures estimated for the country.
Was that an example of you being honest was it ? That and your non-response when questioned as to how you could be so ignorant of what has been reported constantly for years on end, while pretending you gave a toss about it.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 amSee, this is where you seem to be confused. We are the people who think this is an outrage and never would have happened if we hadn’t occupied iraq. You need to talk to the republicans….they are the ones who started this war.
Most here believe that more than a million people would be alive right now in Iraq if America had not sumitted to Israel’s will to bring “stability” to the mid-east.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 amKilo Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Er… yeah. Let’s pretend indeed. Let’s pretend that we’ve forgotten several years of reporting from Iraq referring to people kidnapped off the street and from their homes based on their surnames and dumped in the street tortured and executed by the dozen days later.
And how many countries came to our aid when Senator McCarthy was ruining thousands of American’s lives in the 1950’s because of the paranoia about the communist threat from within? People disappeared, committed suicide and their rights violated because of a paranoid, drunk and his supergay minion, Roy Cohn. I only say that because it’s just another example of their hypocrisy. Bash the gays in public, love them in private.
Also Kilo, those things have happened here before based on skin color. And if those things happened under Saddam then why didn’t the Iraqi people do anything? Why didn’t the Germans or the British or the Russians? Why is it our responsibility to get in the middle of their business? Oh, that’s right, they have oil.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:18 amJust one post that shows you don’t agree with the Bush foreign policy will do, Kilo. I’m sure from the vehemence of your reply there must be several to choose from.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:18 amLet’s pretend indeed. Let’s pretend that we’ve forgotten several years of reporting from Iraq referring to people kidnapped off the street and from their homes based on their surnames and dumped in the street tortured and executed by the dozen days later.
And let’s pretend that before Desert Storm there were no proven-bogus claims of babies being dumped out of incubators in Kuwati hospitals by invading Iraqis…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:21 amGiven that you want to see this posted, I think it’d be more satisfying for you to post all these examples of me supporting Bush, that you claim to be aware of.
I’m going to bed shortly. That should give you a good 8+ hours to really load up with em.
Google indexes this site. You can search it by adding the following search terms….
March 24th, 2008 at 10:22 am“comment by Kilo” OR “Kilo says” site:thinkprogress.org
kilo is playing……the outrage kilo exhibits is designed to make us angry and get us to respond to his addeled posts. Is it just me or are all of kilo’s posts disjointed like a kid with add?
I really don’t know where kilo stands on anything after reading all of this again. All I get from kilo’s posts is that everyone except him/her is stupid and liar.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:23 amMr. Evil Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Kilo likes to pretend
Post #118. That’s how it begins. How is stating a hypothetical a preface to dishonesty?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 amWhy ? What relevance does this have to the text you are quoting ?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 amYou couldn’t be suggesting the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis documented and photographed and independantly reported in Iraq are akin to the false stories of Desert Storm could you ?
In exactly the way you’ve used it. To suggest there was no genocide, to avoid acknowledging the evidence of that in any terms other than as a hypothetical.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:28 amI didn’t question you had any Jewish friends at random you know. This is precisely what you get when Mel Gibson is questioned on the holocaust.
301 DAYS
13 Hrs 28 Min 33.2 Sec
I wonder how many crimes this Kabal will committ in this amount of time?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:29 amhere kilo, read this and go away……just because the dod tells you something doesn’t make it a fact. Just because you question it doesn’t make you a traitor.
Following blindly without question is the act of a traitor. I submit that you are that tratitor.
an independant summary of American deaths in Iraq puts it at closer to 70,000….you got any proof of anything you say?