Cheney On 4,000 Troop Deaths In Iraq: ‘The President Carries The Biggest Burden, Obviously’
Cheney On 4,000 Troop Deaths In Iraq: ‘The President Carries The Biggest Burden, Obviously’
Across the country today, memorial services will be held to honor the 4,000 U.S. troops killed in Iraq, a tragic milestone in President Bush’s “surge” effort.
But the White House is trying to gloss over the troop death marker. President Bush held no public events on the issue today, although he briefly thanked the “courageous people willing to serve” while at the State Department today. Moreover, in an interview with ABC News today, Vice President Cheney expressed gross callousness about the 4,000 dead troops, implying to Martha Raddatz that the troops volunteered for duty.
Who, in Cheney’s eyes, is hurting even more than the troops and their families? George W. Bush:
The president carries the biggest burden, obviously. He’s the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us.
Watch it:
The White House has frequently expressed a “misguided sense of bravado,” as Dan Froomkin put it, in comparing its efforts to that of American soldiers. Some lowlights of its detachment:
– “Believe me, no one suffers more than their President and I do when we watch this.” [Laura Bush, 4/25/07]
– “The President is in the war every day…on the frontlines.” [Tony Snow, 6/14/07]
To this day, Bush seems ignorant of the horrors of war. Earlier this month, he told troops in Afghanistan that “confronting danger” was, in his eyes, “romantic.” Bush has even said he would love to serve in Iraq, but unfortunately he’s “too old.”
Where does this detachment come from? Bush himself explained in February 2007:
I can only tell you what people on the ground, whose judgment — it’s hard for me, living in this beautiful White House, to give you an assessment, firsthand assessment. I haven’t been there; you have, I haven’t.
I can only speak for myself here, but I reckon that many of the brave young men and women who volunteered after 9/11 did so with the expectation that they would be hunting down those that actually attacked us that day; not that they would be put in an impossible situation (in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack on us) where they are expected to mediate a religious civil war that has raged for thousands of years.
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He had plenty of help.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:06 pmI M P E A C H - T H E S E - S O N - O F - A - B I T C H E S !
March 24th, 2008 at 8:08 pmOur coward President… So pathetic.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pmYet, when given a chance, Cheney got five deferments and W went AWOL.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pmHow romantic.
the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us.
Yes, but these proud volunteers expect their Emperor in Chief to only put them in harms way WHEN OUR NATION IS PHYSICALLY THREATENED, shit-heel.
Not to be pawns in a foolish, misguided, unecessary war of “choice”.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pmPart of the burden is also carried by all the people who supported, and continue to support, Pres Bush’s misguided policies and the military occupation of Iraq.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:14 pmTruly vile and disgusting people, that’s really all that I can say…I’m at a loss for words. Coward, draft dodgers really need to STFU about carrying a burden. Can we please have an Obama presidency already???? Please
March 24th, 2008 at 8:14 pmThe videos of these people asserting Bush’s suffering over the deaths and maiming of our soldiers need to be played in split screen with his “where are those weapons of mass destruction?” Washington Press club skit, his making goofy faces for the camera on the eve of the war, his “bring it on” statement, and any of his current public appearances where he looks to not only not be suffering in the slightest, but really enjoying himself. Bush does not lose a wink of sleep at night over the deaths of soldiers.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pmFrontline on PBS tonight at 9pm is running an extremely in depth expose called “Bushs War”.The second part will run tomorrow night at the same time.This is it’s first run. Just a heads up for anyone interested.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pmWar is hard work.
Now, watch this drive…
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pmIn other words….So?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pmObviously - from his dancing, and drumming, and fart-joking, and tee-ball game watching, biking, fishing, golfing, vacationing, brush-clearing - yeah, that poor bastard has got it rough all right.
sorry Dick, I did my part to spare him that burden twice, and all I got was this lousy, “Buck Fush” t-shirt.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pmYeah, all these vacation days at Crawford have been realy tiresome.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:29 pmIt’s a beautiful White House, you really should live here if you want to do it justice. But I suffer more that the 4,000 brave Americans who died keeping your children safe from terrorist in Iraq. It’s really kind of a romantic fight, and I wish I could be there fighting the romantic fight, but instead I’m here, suffering in this beautiful While House. Oh how I suffer.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:32 pmAn example of TRUE and TOTAL EVIL
These bastards are so guilty of crimes against America and the world, that they have to act this evil to justify their acts.
Unfreakin believable…. will the MSM notice, naw… they are to busy being part of the game.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:33 pmThey sure as hell didn’t volunteer for stop loss.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:35 pmIf the Democrats let these 2 war criminals off, they are just as guilty of their crmea and this country is no longer a country of laws.
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Your actions are informing the Armed Forces that they cannot win the war.
So, you want to keep the troops uninformed, so they die thinking that they’re doing something good?
Very christian of you.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 pmDisregard PARO-DARYLL! I don’t think anyone can be this STUPID!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 pmRather than post the way I feel and getting myself banned I am flagging that lowlife POS Daryll.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pmWhen he gets down here to hell with ME and Ronald Reagan, I will take care of the EVIL little PUNK.
Cheers,
Bush’s MASTER Satan
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pmEvil Spaniard Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Your actions are informing the Armed Forces that they cannot win the war.
So, you want to keep the troops uninformed, so they die thinking that they’re doing something good?
Very christian of you.
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Jesus died on the cross to give us a second chance. Shouldn’t we give the Iraqis a chance to live through a democratic nation? Also, the troops aren’t uninformed. They are inside the glass door while you are on the outside looking in.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:47 pmDaryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
When YOU get down here to hell, BLASPHEMER, along with that PUNK Bush and Ronnie Reagan, I’ll give YOU what I will
GIVE THEM!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Cheers,
Bush’s MASTER Satan
March 24th, 2008 at 8:48 pmWayne Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Rather than post the way I feel and getting myself banned I am flagging that lowlife POS Daryll.
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Words from a true patriot (sarcasm off).
March 24th, 2008 at 8:48 pmMasterSatanSmashesBushsFace Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
When YOU get down here to hell, BLASPHEMER, along with that PUNK Bush and Ronnie Reagan, I’ll give YOU what I will
GIVE THEM!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Cheers,
Bush’s MASTER Satan
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Immature.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:49 pmDaryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Luckily, there are people like me who continue to send them supportive email messages . . .
. . . from the safety of my computer desk in Virginia.
Fixed it for you, chickenhawk.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:49 pmDaryll - March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Your post is best described as “babble” or “twaddle”.
The troops dying in Iraq are not dying to defend the US, since there was nothing to defend from in the first place -haven’t you heard there were no WMD or “links” between AlQaeda and Hussein’s regime? If you haven’t, please subscribe to a newspaper that is delivered more often than once a decade.
It is not a scoring record, that is true, but what you are suggesting is that their deaths be sept under the rug so your Dear (mis)Leader can prolong an occupation that didn’t need to be, free of criticism or oversight; which belies your so-called empathy and concern for those fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Now I’ve wasted enough of my time replying to your blather.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 pmSo Daryll. Did God lie to you about “President Huckabee”? Did you lie to us? Both?
Either way you are irrelevant. Liars don’t deserve a voice.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 pmBut the White House is trying to gloss over the troop death marker. President Bush held no public events on the issue today
However, yesterday he consulted with the Easter Bunny
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ section/ 2/ story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10499921
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 pm“Luckily, there are people like me who continue to send them supportive email messages.” Daryll
Thank you, Daryll, for providing the troops with such laughable entertainment as you provide us.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pmgummitch Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Luckily, there are people like me who continue to send them supportive email messages . . .
. . . from the safety of my computer desk in Virginia.
Fixed it for you, chickenhawk.
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You far left loons are hypocritical. I have stated many times that I support our government in a different capacity. Why aren’t you in Iraq? Who’s really the chickenhawk? Stop the ridiculous comments and support the troops.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pmSince I Already bled for this country, I am considered a patriot, while you Daryll are a chicken hawk POS.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm“However, yesterday he consulted with the Easter Bunny…”
LOL When did the Easter Bunny start looking like Babs Bush?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pmDaryll my man! Usually I find you to be a totally hilarious nonperson but this crap just isn’t funny.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pmWhatsa matter Daryll? Can’t you come up with a new lie to justify your previous lies? And you call yourself a Christian?
How does it feel to know that you can only inspire contempt? How does it feel to be enslaved by lies?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pmAnd the Vice-President nets the biggest profit…..obviously.
“Bush’s War” Frontline PBS 9:00 pm
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pm“. . . from the safety of my computer desk in Virginia. I have stated many times that I support our government in a different capacity.” Daryll
Hee hee hee…..
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pmGregor Samsa Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Daryll - March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Your post is best described as “babble” or “twaddle”.
The troops dying in Iraq are not dying to defend the US, since there was nothing to defend from in the first place -haven’t you heard there were no WMD or “links” between AlQaeda and Hussein’s regime? If you haven’t, please subscribe to a newspaper that is delivered more often than once a decade.
It is not a scoring record, that is true, but what you are suggesting is that their deaths be sept under the rug so your Dear (mis)Leader can prolong an occupation that didn’t need to be, free of criticism or oversight; which belies your so-called empathy and concern for those fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Now I’ve wasted enough of my time replying to your blather.
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Have you been attacked, lately? Don’t you know that we are fighting the terrorists in Iraq. One by one, we are shutting them down. True there were no WMD’s, but eventually life will be much better for Iraqis than it was when Sadaam was president. We must finish our goal. Stop being a defeatist.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pmI though Daryll supported this administration due to his own incapacity for critical thinking.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pmDaryll - March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Stop being a defeatist.
Yeah, childish taunts will make me change my mind. Sure.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pmpete Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Whatsa matter Daryll? Can’t you come up with a new lie to justify your previous lies? And you call yourself a Christian?
How does it feel to know that you can only inspire contempt? How does it feel to be enslaved by lies?
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I am not supporting a lie. The President made some mistakes, but it is too late to redeploy. We must finish the job. In all actuality, if we leave, we will embolden these terrorists.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pmDaryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Jesus died on the cross to give us a second chance. Shouldn’t we give the Iraqis a chance to live through a democratic nation? Also, the troops aren’t uninformed. They are inside the glass door while you are on the outside looking in.
You sir, are mad. Jesus died to create peace in the world. Invading a country, killing thousands of civilians of all ages (even unborn ones!), can’t be fartest from Jesus’ teachings. And trying to assert your country does the work of Jesus by invading and killing that people in his name is simply sacrilegous and unpatriotic. You’re not a christian, but an idol worshipper and a philistine.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pmGregor Samsa Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Daryll - March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Stop being a defeatist.
Yeah, childish taunts will make me change my mind. Sure.
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Just stating facts based on your comment. Not long ago, Geraldo Rivera was in Iraq questioning the troops about how they feel about those who believe that they should leave. They felt horrible because nobody has confidence in them. Why do you think that are troops do not have the intellect to accomplish this mission?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pmFlag the brown-nosed, piss-soaked, war-mongering, chimp-loving, jesus-blowing troll.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pmDaryll, I still need advise on the shellfish gig and many have asked you about that stupid Huckawho stuff. I don’t mind that you are pretend. In fact it sort of amuses me all the more. Still if the charade is to be remotely possible, you are gonna need to rethink this one
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pmdaryll, i think its time to give you a “swimming lesson”….
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pmDidn’t Geraldo also do a great prime time fear pice about the threat of Satanic cults?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pmEvil Spaniard - March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
The troll Daryll says he doesn’t support a lie, as he babbles on about everyone having to support the occupation of Iraq, and prostitutes his religion in order to gather support for Pres Bush’s failed administration.
Who would Jesus bomb?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pmHi, Miss Zooey. Glad to read you :)
March 24th, 2008 at 9:08 pmTime to trot “Pickles” out again to tell us how georgie doesn’t enjoy his bedtime ice cream treat as much as he used to before he had to think about all the death and destruction that he’s wrought.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pmTHAT’S a burden for him. Nothing else matters.
I know the president’s all tore up. We could see it in his face, when he cracked that joke about not finding the WMD under his desk. I weep for his tortured soul to this day.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pmWho would Jesus bomb?
sub-humans like daryll
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pmHi, Evil Spaniard! :-)
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pmAnd if there’s one way to connect oneself mind body and soul with the sacrifices of our nations bravest, it has to be a string of deferments when your time comes to serve your nation.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pmmarlow Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
I know the president’s all tore up. We could see it in his face, when he cracked that joke about not finding the WMD under his desk. I weep for his tortured soul to this day.
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Jokes can’t be told. I have stated that we have made mistakes, but it is paramount that we finish this job.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:16 pm“Geraldo Rivera was in Iraq questioning the troops about how they feel about those who believe that they should leave. They felt horrible because nobody has confidence in them…”
“Hi! I’m Geraldo Rivera, can I ask you some questions about how much you love being over here?”
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pmGeraldo? Yeah, I remember you, ya little con man… what was it.. oh yeah, Al Capones tomb or some sh!t…
(Hey guys, c’mon over here, guess who? It’s Geraldo Rivera, he’s looking for a tomb or some such….yeah…. huh…let’s have some fun…)
The troll obviously doesn’t understand that anyone tasked with implementing a mistaken strategy is doomed to failure, and is unable to tell apart criticism of the leadership from criticism of the rank-and-file.
I suspect his lack of lucidity is intentional.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pmSo Daryll
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pmDid you see that Satanism thing back in the 80’s. It is classic. I wonder if Geraldo feels like a dumb ass. Do you think he does? What happen to all those pentagram scribblers that where gonna slaugther my children?
Daryll Says:
Just stating facts based on your comment. Not long ago, Geraldo Rivera was in Iraq questioning the troops about how they feel about those who believe that they should leave. They felt horrible because nobody has confidence in them. Why do you think that are troops do not have the intellect to accomplish this mission?
Heh, any classic greek teacher would have skinned your back with his teaching cane. Your dialectic skills are… well, they’re not. Not even exist.
First you use a few interviews done by a well knwon yellow journalist, who probably have been cherry picked to increase the dramatism for the benefit of Geraldo (anyhow Gerardo is how is typed in correct Spanish), dismissing the vets you have at hand, in this same thread and who say quite the contrary. Were the interviews done in live TV? Guess not.
Second, you use a false dichotomy: if we aren’t completely in favor of everything done in Iraq, we’re insulting the intelligence of the troops. Sorry, this hound doesn’t hunt. We’re doubting the motives of the GOP to begin a war with Iraq, and their veracity informing of the war and their motives, not the capacity of the troops.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pmImpeach the Democratic leadership for failing to impeach these callous crooks.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pmDaryll doesn’t care how many innocent lives the glory of his False Prophet requires.
The False Prophet lusts for blood, and Daryll, his faithful acolyte, will see to it there is plenty.
Jesus weeps for you Daryll. Let him free your cold, hard heart.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pmDaryll thinks he serves God with violence in his heart and lies on his lips?
Be silent you lying troll! Your presence defiles nature.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pmTo this day, Bush seems ignorant of the horrors of war. Earlier this month, he told troops in Afghanistan that “confronting danger” was, in his eyes, “romantic.” Bush has even said he would love to serve in Iraq, but unfortunately he’s “too old.”
Bush is full of sh*t, pure and simple.
Did Bush, prior to hiding his sorry ass in the National Guard, beg and plead, and use his father’s connections, to find a way to go to Vietnam and fight for his country?
Hell no. Nuff said.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pmGeraldo… Geraldo… wasn’t he the “reporter” who got kicked out of Iraq for disclosing troop movements during a broadcast?
Yeah, he’s the standard all journalists are measured by.
/sarcasm off
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pmLet me relate how Five Deferments Dick would….”So.”
These guys are so evil that they make evil look good.
Bush/Cheney
March 24th, 2008 at 9:24 pmHague Trials ‘09
Jokes can’t be told. I have stated that we have made mistakes, but it is paramount that we finish this job. Daryll.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pmPick up your rifle, Daryll, and stand your post. You weren’t complaining of mistakes when chimpy was declaring victory. Make your next post from the Sunni triangle, chowderhead.
Why do you think that are troops do not have the intellect to accomplish this mission? Daryll
Where does this odd use of a word that sounds like the intended word, but is written using another?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:27 pmI’ve seen it before, I just can’t place it…
I’m thinking maybe it was the daycare center pedophiles which neutralized the satan worshippers. Geraldo never really followed up on any of that
March 24th, 2008 at 9:27 pmhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 03/ looks-like-obama-has-help-by.html
Scotus’ anti-war-movie banned by Supreme Court
March 24th, 2008 at 9:30 pm“I’m thinking maybe it was the daycare center…”
where they found Daryll
Daryll is still to this day trying to catch up with Geraldo…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pmDaryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
gummitch Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Luckily, there are people like me who continue to send them supportive email messages . . .
. . . from the safety of my computer desk in Virginia.
Fixed it for you, chickenhawk.
You far left loons are hypocritical. I have stated many times that I support our government in a different capacity. Why aren’t you in Iraq? Who’s really the chickenhawk? Stop the ridiculous comments and support the troops.
Your “support” is meaningless when you applaud the death of 4,000 American troops. You continually claim this is a heroic cause and still refuse to take the risks that our troops take every day and cowardly equate your pencil-pushing job to theirs. You minimize their deaths by saying it’s “not a scoring record.”
I’m not in Iraq because I don’t support the occupation, idiot, and I’m nearly 60. Obviously, I’m not a chickenhawk because I don’t support sending them to war while hiding out behind a desk. I support the troops and I want them home with their families. If you really “supported” the troops you’d volunteer so that one of them could go home after his or her two or three or four tours of duty, while you cower at your desk.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pmmarlow Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Pick up your rifle, Daryll, and stand your post. You weren’t complaining of mistakes when chimpy was declaring victory. Make your next post from the Sunni triangle, chowderhead.
He doesn’t have the guts.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pmI think he ran off to change his piss soaked diaper.
dbadass - March 24th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Yeah, and you know how Geraldo always does hard-hitting journalism. His show always tells you all the stuff you know to know to live.
That’s why our troll watches it: He doesn’t want to waste his precious little mind with boring uninteresting things like, oh say, news, documentaries, and stuff… let alone the death toll in Iraq.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pmDaryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Shouldn’t we give the Iraqis a chance to live through a democratic nation?
Not by invading a country that was no threat to us and getting 4,000 (and counting) of our precious men and women killed. Remember that Bush said during Campaign 2000 that the United States would not be the policemen of the world and would not be nation builders, yet that is exactly what the SOB committed us to.
Oh, I know. “But…but…but 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!” Well, prior to that infamous date that everyone likes to scream when anyone speaks out against this “war,” I’d like to be able to say that Bush was fully aware of the threat of not only bin Laden but of other terrorist groups worldwide. But Bush didn’t give a damn. He didn’t do one damned thing to protect this country. Going after bin Laden was the right thing to do. Invading a country that was not — NOT — a threat to us, despite all the fearmongering of Bush and his SOB administration, was not.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:36 pmThe troll has left the thread.
Good riddance…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pmDaaarrrryyyllllll.
Want to support the troops do you?
Here’s a suggestion. Enlist in the army you sick phucking asswhole. I’m sure the troops will be more than happy to frag your sorry ass the 1st week you get to Iraq.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pmSt Daryll is an evil person.
I’m flagging him every time he shows his piss-soaked ass around here.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pmThe Bushbots are out in force tonight. Karl with a K must be freelancing, or else having some fun. No wonder the RNC is broke. Half their money is stolen and half is spent on idiots who have taken an oath to Bush to show up on the radio and on sites like this to make themselves look stupid.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pmZooey
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pmDaryll is an opportunity
did that guy darryl get programmed at church of the repiglican war councel or something??
I find it hard to talk with people like him whom not what they themselves think about, they leave their minds open to be poured into the propaganda and lies, so only leaving enough brain function spew sound bites limballs and his ilk make him remember as they’re told over and over again for reinforcement… ugh weak minded people can really f**k up a democracy
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pmActually, they did. Stop loss is in your contract when you sign it. It’s not advertised, obviously, but it’s there. I read every word when I signed my contract, so I honestly don’t feel sorry for people who didn’t read theirs.
Regardless, their blanket sympathy rings as hollow as their blanket thanks and the anti-war crowd’s claims of “supporting the troops but not the war.”
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pmooop * know not
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pmtombaker Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Daryll doesn’t care how many innocent lives the glory of his False Prophet requires.
The False Prophet lusts for blood, and Daryll, his faithful acolyte, will see to it there is plenty.
Jesus weeps for you Daryll. Let him free your cold, hard heart.
Didn’t Daryll post he had the “gift of Prophecy” and Huckabee was our next President?
President elect Huckabee he was calling him.
Seems to me, in the biblical days we would be stoning him for being a false prophet. At least according to that Book he always touts.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pmdbadass Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Zooey
Daryll is an opportunity
dbadass, Daryll is a sick f_ck troll.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pmLike I’ve said many, many times.
Anyone named Richard who prefers to be called Dick is just that: a dick.
So callous, and condescending, it’s truly astonishing coming from an “elected” official.
May he rot in eternal hell-fire and damnation.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pmwhich is exactly what makes him an opportunity
March 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pmrichard cranium
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
Regardless, their blanket sympathy rings as hollow as their blanket thanks and the anti-war crowd’s claims of “supporting the troops but not the war.”
Huh?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 pmDaryll SaysTrue there were no WMD’s, but eventually life will be much better for Iraqis than it was when Sadaam was president. We must finish our goal. Stop being a defeatist.
Meanwhile, the dollar is collapsing, Roads and infrastructure crumbing, foreclosures at record highs, mass murders every couple of days, Students unable to even read properly going into collage, and feeding a Perpetual War Machine.
Sure hope that “Progress” in Iraq starts seeping over to the USA soon.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pmgummitch Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Thumbs up, baby!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pmI pray when Hillary wins or Obama that they HANG these 2 demonic people for the 60 oages of WAR CRIMES against HUMANITY …I want to see them HANG like SADOM hung …
March 24th, 2008 at 10:07 pmhey are those guys at the top in MA to get married ?? lol those weirdo repukes do some crazy stuff when their medication wears off
March 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Regardless, their blanket sympathy rings as hollow as their blanket thanks and the anti-war crowd’s claims of “supporting the troops but not the war.”
Hey, pointyhead
If you ever bothered to take a look at the anti-war protests, you would see those that already served, in wars from WWII to Iraq/Afghanistan. You would see mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, family members of those who have fallen, given their all, those who are wounded and those still risking it all.
Don’t presume to have the “highground” on who supports the troops. Freak.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:14 pmNat- To me, the blanket thanks (”thanks for everything you boys are doing”) and the sort of blanket sympathy from the pro-war crowd expressed in the main posts quotes ring really quite hollow. And the claims of “supporting the troops but not the war” are just the same. I know it’s possible (my father does), but it just smacks of dishonesty. It just seems like it’d be tough to support the troops but view their mission, and everyone who believes in it (including most of the troops), with disdain.
None of that was particularly well-worded, I know.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pmDidn’t Bush also say that he’s cried more than anyone could imagine, and Dana Perino says he thinks about the dead troops every day? That’s quite a burden, all that thinkin’ and cryin’.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pmIsn’t this amusing? The bush admin used contracts with deceptive language hidden deep in the fine print of a contract to take advantage of average folks.
Isn’t that exactly the kind of corruption that caused sub-prime load crisis in this country?
Additionally for your information, you can respect and appreciate somones dedication and service to our country without condoning an action taken by our government which puts their lives at risk unnessesarily. To say differently would be patently un-American.
Republicans and Democrats have both been doing this forever. It is only treason when you are defending the administration commiting the error.
Democrats protested similar actions by democratic presidents in the past….Johnson for instance. Where is an example of a republican doing other than walking lockstep with their failed leaders?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pmFrontline (PBS) is showing its documentary now on how Bush and the neocons ginned up the war in Iraq following 9/11. It began within hours of the attack.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 pmThe report on Frontline right now is a good review.
Anyone who has read all this before is just getting confirmation.
Bottom line.
It is time for the American public to break the chains of militarism and imperialism.
Wake me when you want to start the revolution.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:21 pmWayne- I wasn’t trying to claim any high ground. I was just trying to explain how I, and many in the military, feel.
Fred- Again, stop-loss isn’t a Bush administration invention. It just never came up until recently because it wasn’t needed, at least not in large numbers.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
but it just smacks of dishonesty. It just seems like it’d be tough to support the troops but view their mission
The point is that we don’t want the troops to die for lies perpetrated by the Bush administration. They were sent on a mission they should have never been sent on by a dishonest lowlife (Bush) so we can’t blame them for any of this.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:31 pmThere is but one death I pray for…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pmThere is but one person whose Rapture I pray for every day
There is one person whose demise will lift the palor that vails our vaulted world
There is but one death, which will right the history of hate, fill the void of death, and make sure the end is near for all those who hate America
That death is but of he.
George W. Bush
The lone assailant in the night, taking liberty from her cradle and bashing its head, in his cowardly act of “patriotism”.
The only person who can conflate death with life, and misery with hope.
I PRAY FOR YOUR DEATH EVERYDAY GEORGE W. BUSH
Irving R Pointystick
I would like to re-iterate what Wayne has stated quite clearly. I would further emphasize that US Verterans were the leaders of the anti-war movement that stopped the illegal war in viet nam. An earlier un-winnable quagmire by all accounts.
stop loss may not be a bush admin invention but it was not designed to provide manpower for a war of atrition…it is a misuse of power. If our country were truly at risk or needed defending…..we would not need stop loss.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Wayne- I wasn’t trying to claim any high ground. I was just trying to explain how I, and many in the military, feel.
Wayne has served and bled for this country, f_ckwit. Don’t patronize him.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:33 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
Wayne- I wasn’t trying to claim any high ground. I was just trying to explain how I, and many in the military, feel.
I don’t believe many feel like you.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pmOK, that’s fair. I do disagree, but I can certainly appreciate your perspective.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pmMasterSatanSmashesBushsFace Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Daryll Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
When YOU get down here to hell, BLASPHEMER, along with that PUNK Bush and Ronnie Reagan, I’ll give YOU what I will
GIVE THEM!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Cheers,
Bush’s MASTER Satan
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LIAR, BLASPHEMER, MURDERER, TORTURER, WAR CRIMINAL.
George W. Bush and YOU.
BOTH of you will be here, Darling Daryll.
With your MASTER Satan.
And Ronnie Reagan, who is waiting for Bush, Cheney and YOU!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:37 pmZooey- I wasn’t patronizing him, I was trying to explain my position. He was suggesting that I was trying to do something I wasn’t.
Nat- You’d be surprised. You have every right to disagree with me, especially since I can’t give you some empirical evidence of it. But that’s the sentiment that I’ve come across.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:39 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
Nat- You’d be surprised. You have every right to disagree with me, especially since I can’t give you some empirical evidence of it. But that’s the sentiment that I’ve come across.
My sister got out of the military in 2006 and she had a different perspective.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:41 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Wayne- I wasn’t trying to claim any high ground. I was just trying to explain how I, and many in the military, feel.
Well, since I have a son who just recently came home from his last deployment,my sister who is home now, disabled, fighting for her medical, her husband still in Iraq. I served 82-91. Desert Storm ended my military career. My father retired about 2 years ago now. My family is military.
I have good friends that are living at the VA.
Do you really want to know how we feel?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pmIts not positive towards Bush and they way he has run the military to the brink of breaking and abused the service of the men and women in uniform..
Irving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Zooey- I wasn’t patronizing him, I was trying to explain my position. He was suggesting that I was trying to do something I wasn’t.
Take it to Instapunk, they’ll love you.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:45 pmLike I said, I can’t hand you any study or chart or graph. But my personal experience says that many servicemen and women do support the mission. But I’ve certainly come across a number of military folks who disagree with the mission. I even know a number of kids that left for that reason.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I even know a number of kids that left for that reason.
4000 left on a non-voluntary basis.
Can it.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:50 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
It just seems like it’d be tough to support the troops but view their mission, and everyone who believes in it (including most of the troops), with disdain.
Paul Rieckhoff of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America was saying tonight on Countdown that the troops ‘don’t care about the mission, they care about the guy or girl on either side of them.’ (I’m paraphrasing, but pretty close.) And you must not have much imagination if you cannot understand how one can want our troops to have the best possible equipment and armor and everything else they need, even if, or especially if, they’re fighting a mission which began with lies and which cannot succeed.
And don’t ever mess with Wayne, pinhead.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:56 pmWayne- I sincerely apologize if I insulted or offended you. I wasn’t trying to, and I don’t want any bad blood beyond people disagreeing with me. Like I said a number of times, I can’t empirically defend my position, but I stand by what my experience has told me.
PS- What branch were you in?
Zooey- Am I not allowed to express myself here? I’m not being rude, at least not intentionally. I don’t understand why you have be confrontational.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pmThe super-nationalists are the right wing group…..thought you understood that.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:59 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Zooey- Am I not allowed to express myself here? I’m not being rude, at least not intentionally. I don’t understand why you have be confrontational.
You’re expressing yourself — no one is stopping you. I don’t have to like what you’re saying. Especially if I find it insulting to the people I know here, as well as my own family.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pmBut by, again, being so confrontational and antagonistic, you’re making it a personal issue and stifling the debate. Again, I apologize for insulting anyone, I never meant to.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:04 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
What branch were you in?
Army. I was stationed at Fort Bragg.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:05 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
But by, again, being so confrontational and antagonistic, you’re making it a personal issue and stifling the debate. Again, I apologize for insulting anyone, I never meant to.
Uh huh….right. This was very warm & fuzzy:
Regardless, their blanket sympathy rings as hollow as their blanket thanks and the anti-war crowd’s claims of “supporting the troops but not the war.”
But you never meant to insult anyone. **eyes rolling**
March 24th, 2008 at 11:10 pmThat’s awesome. I’m hoping for Bragg when I commission, but I’ll settle for anywhere that’s not Polk or Irwin.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:10 pmAgain, I apologize for insulting anyone, I never meant to.” Irving R Pointystick
I’m sure… you just invite insult.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:12 pmWhich is, in and of itself, insulting.
Booosh, Cheney, daryll and pointy head think its just the fu(king breaks for the 4,000 dead US troops. Signed the contract. Too damn bad if the whole operation is a farce dreamed up by Neo-Cons to drain the treasury of the USA into coffers of their war machine cronys.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pmjb- I never said that, now you’re putting words in my mouth. I think any serviceman or woman killed is a tragedy. I do, however, disagree with your interpretation of the war, and I think that the potential benefits of victory in Iraq far outweigh the benefits of withdrawal.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:24 pmI will be telling my grandchildren of the evil of bush just as my grandparents told me of the evil of hoover. hoover has been the most infamous president in American history until now…
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm“…and I think that the potential benefits of victory in Iraq far outweigh the benefits of withdrawal.”
And in your view, what are these potential benefits?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:27 pm122 whatever irving, you can’t even name what those imaginary benifits could possibly be. You are just doing your job…..spreading the propaganda.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:29 pmgood_golly Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:30 pmMarch 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
There have undoubtedly been phenomelal improvements, but there is obviously still work to be done.
Irving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
That’s awesome. I’m hoping for Bragg when I commission, but I’ll settle for anywhere that’s not Polk or Irwin.
If you get a damn good recommendation from your CO for Ranger School and make it though hell week, you can do it.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:37 pmThe ranger course usually eliminates candidates down to a ratio of about 4 candidates to 1 instructor from my experience. Endurance and understanding teamwork are what they look for.
I think that nevar’s question scared the pointy thing away.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:38 pm1. The existence of a Muslim Arab democracy in the Middle East. Israel is currently the only non-despotic nation in the region, so a Muslim equivalent could be helpful, IR-wise.
2. Success in Iraq denies Iran the ability to claim it as a new provine/ proxy state, and acts as a barrier between Iran and Syria. I think that any counterweight to Iranian power is a good thing.
3. A hasty, politically motivated withdrawal from Iraq grants an unprecedented propaganda victory to the Islamists. Consider the blowback from our retreat from Somalia in 1993, and how it emboldened al-Qaeda. Now consider that on an exponentially greater scale.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pmmaybe he just couldn’t pin them down…
March 24th, 2008 at 11:42 pmAre you talking to me?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:43 pmoh, man….pointy is repeating the kool aid song….I can’t do it tonight….have fun with him guys.
I will cover the first lie…….Pakistan and Iran are democracies……..
March 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm125 Fred, I happen to not be conservative. I consider myself a liberal, always have, and always will.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:45 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
2. Success in Iraq denies Iran the ability to claim it as a new provine/ proxy state, and acts as a barrier between Iran and Syria. I think that any counterweight to Iranian power is a good thing.
There is no such thing as success in Iraq. It is simply not possible. Don’t fool yourself.
3. A hasty, politically motivated withdrawal from Iraq grants an unprecedented propaganda victory to the Islamists. Consider the blowback from our retreat from Somalia in 1993, and how it emboldened al-Qaeda. Now consider that on an exponentially greater scale.
As opposed to a hasty, politically motivated ENTRANCE into Iraq?
Jeebus.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 pmFair point. I’ll concede that.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pmExactly what benefits can we hope to achieve by bankrupting the country, wearing out the military, extended deployments, worn out equipment, 4,000 deaths of US troops, thousands and thousands of innocent dead Iraqis, encouraging recruitments for Al Quaida? It seems we are playing right into the hand held by Osama. Seems to me this “war” is about profits (US TREASURY) for the war machine cronys of the GOP.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:48 pmfunny you walk just like a righty. Some try to pass mccain off as a liberal too….
March 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm“…IR-wise.”
Irving R Pointystick
Do you really think so?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pmAlso, calling Iran a democracy is ennobling it. That’s like calling North Korea or Saddam’s Iraq a democracy.
And Pakistan is making steps in the right direction, but they are neither Arab nor in the Middle East.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:50 pmFred Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm “Some try to pass mccain off as a liberal too….”
Or Lieberman.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:50 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Zooey Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
As opposed to a hasty, politically motivated ENTRANCE into Iraq?
Fair point. I’ll concede that.
All the dominoes fall after that point, Pointy.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:51 pmIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
AlQaeda was still in Afghanistan when we movedmostour troops to Iraq for lies.
The Taliban controls almost 50% of Afghanistan now.
Invading Iraq and staying there when we should have finished the War on “Terra” makes asmuch f_cking sense as a screen door on a submarine.
When I heard known munition dumps were left unguarded and unblown,to be looted, because they were ordered secure the oil fields and Oil Ministry, I knew they lied about the WMDs.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:52 pmIran is as much a democracy as the US. You are uninformed…..I presume by choice.
Pakistan has many muslims…..that was the criteria you used……..changing the game?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:54 pmdarn spacebar is acting up grrr.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:55 pmSo what is this so called war about? IraqiFreedom, PUlllease, more like Iraqi death and destruction. Is there really anything that we can do now for the Iraqi people besides getting the hell out of their ruined country?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pmGoodnight, all. Nice to see you, Wayne. :)
March 24th, 2008 at 11:57 pmFred- I walk like a righty because I don’t adhere to liberal orthodoxy? My beliefs are quite in step with liberal philosophy, specifically the pre-Vietnam “Cold War liberals,” like JFK. I believe that we, as the sole superpower, and the only democratic one, have a duty to spread democratic thought however possible.
Nevar- Absolutely, from both a Realist and Idealist (I can’t think of the actual term for the school of thought, UF is a Realist-dominated school) perspective. On the Realist side, it’s a fact that democracies are friendlier to democracies. Furthermore, an Arab Muslim democracy demonstrates to the Arab world that democracy is a viable alternative in their world to theocracy and military juntas. From the Idealist school of thought, democracy is an end in and of itself.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:58 pmFred- I did say “Muslim Arab.” That little bit, Arab, is extremely significant.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 amThere was a good barrier in place before the war……
Like the blowback from when we left viet nam and the commies followed us home and destroyed us?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 amIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Also, calling Iran a democracy is ennobling it.
Iran is a democracy, thats a fact.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:02 amIt was also a democracy when we helped overthrow that democracy and install the Shah, all for the oil companies. That democracy had dared take back it’s country’s oil rights, an unforgivable crime to the US and British corporate elite.
night Jane
March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 amIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Fred- I walk like a righty because I don’t adhere to liberal orthodoxy? My beliefs are quite in step with liberal philosophy, specifically the pre-Vietnam “Cold War liberals,” like JFK. I believe that we, as the sole superpower, and the only democratic one, have a duty to spread democratic thought however possible.
It’s not possible to “spread” democracy to people by bombing the shit out of them, and it’s even less possible to “spread” democracy to people who have no democratic attitude.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:04 amIran is a democracy, provided you ignore the Supreme Council
March 25th, 2008 at 12:05 amI believe that we, as the sole superpower, and the only democratic one, have a duty to spread democratic thought however possible.
Pointystick
That’s not very democratic, is it? However possible?
(I can’t think of the actual term for the school of thought,
Too cluttered up there?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:05 amFirst we did our shock and awe, wiping out infrastructure like water and power and hospitals and schools and military and police, then we used depleted uranium to poison the future generations of Iraqis, then we committed torture and war crimes with our use of white phosphorus, then we allowed various factions to arm and consolidate….millions mostly wealthy and middle class educated people have left the country, then we poured money on the festering mess to no avail, now we have “spent” 4,000 of our finest……for what? What can we possibly achieve at this point? A few more profits for military industry cronys of the GOP.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:07 amYou walk like a righty because you espouse right wing talking points….spare me your disection of what a liberal is.
You compare yourself to Kennedy when you should be comparing yourself to johnson or nixon. We protested johnsons escalation of the war. kennedy did not believe in spreading democracy at gunpoint…..Nixon was the one that took it too far.
If you support johnsons war policy then you are a bigger fool than he was as he abandoned it in shame…..
March 25th, 2008 at 12:08 amIrving R Pointystick Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Iran is a democracy, provided you ignore the Supreme Council
The US is a democracy, provided you ignore the corporate funded elections, media pre-selection of our candidates and the electoral college choosing the president, rather than popular vote. =)
March 25th, 2008 at 12:10 am..”A few more profits for military industry cronys of the GOP.”
jb Says
However noble Pointyschtick’s notion of the benefits of remaining in Iraq as an occupying force are, these are the real reasons in the larger picture….
March 25th, 2008 at 12:11 amThe “war” is a sham and all the blood spilled in Iraq is nothing but waste. This is our shame and we have no choice but to bear it.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:12 amNevar, like I said, my school’s dominated by Realists, so they’re referred to usually as “Idealists.” They refer to themselves by a less pejorative title, but it’s rarely used around here.
And again, that’s a belief firmly rooted in liberal philosophy, historically speaking, and one that’s pulled directly from Idealism. Democracy is itself the end, and it (in theory, at least) justifies the means. I don’t know that any means is justified by democracy, but in the case of Iraq, yes.
Again, in my opinion. I’m not an expert.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:12 amNo, Iran is a democracy, period. You don’t get to decide. The UN and other international agencies oversee their elections and verify them. Same for Hugo Chavez…..I suppose you want to call him a dictator too…..
March 25th, 2008 at 12:14 amThis “war” is about “free market” ideology, not democracy.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:15 am“I’m not an expert.”
Irving R Pointystick
Oh…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:15 amMr Pointystick is a bit of a dunce, ain’t he?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:15 ampointy, you are starting to not make any sense at all…..I’m turning in…..have fun guys.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:18 amSounds like he should get out of the library for awhile, get some air, take a look around…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:18 amFunny screen name, though… think I’ll go make one just in case the grocery store shuts down.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am156 Fred that’s not true. If Kennedy didn’t believe in the use of military force to protect and to spread democracy, then why did he send Special Forces units into Vietnam?
I won’t defend the strategy in LBJ escalation Vietnam or in pre-surge Iraq. One cannot defeat an insurgency by conventional military efforts. Without a COIN strategy that takes into consideration both military and civil affairs, you can’t win. Col. John Nagl̵