On NBC’s The Chris Matthews Show yesterday, Matthews and his guests discussed how Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) sounds “an awful lot like George Bush” when he talks about Iraq. At the beginning of the show, Matthews previewed the segment by asking, “Is it wise to tell voters he’s running for a third term of Bush’s war?”
To illustrate his point, Matthews aired footage of Bush and McCain making the same rhetorical arguments about Iraq this past Wednesday:
“If we were to allow our enemies to prevail in Iraq, the violence that is now declining would accelerate and Iraq would descend into chaos.”
– President Bush, 3/19/08VERSUS
“I believe that if we set a date for withdrawal, you will see chaos and genocide in the region.”
– Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), 3/19/08
During the segment, NBC’s Norah O’Donnell said that McCain was “not smart to make himself sort of a G.I. Joe candidate” because “a whopping 76 percent, in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, said they want a candidate who has policies different than President Bush.” “This country wants to move on from that,” said O’Donnell.
Watch it:
Speaking of McCain’s similarities to Bush on Iraq, the New York Times’s Elisabeth Bumiller said that Bush’s Iraq policy “is what he believes in.” Bumiller then added that McCain “knows that he has to talk about the economy,” but “sounds an awful lot like Bush when he talks about the economy.”
While Matthews, O’Donnell and Bumiller are right to note that McCain’s Iraq and economic policies do represent a third Bush term, those are not the only policy areas where McCain represents more of the same. McCain wants to continue Bush’s agenda on most issues.
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McCain wants to continue Bush’s agenda on most issues.
Yeah, cuz it’s worked so very well for us for the last 7 years right?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:24 amMcCrazy’s campaign will crash and burn once the Democrats stop fighting and nominate Obama.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:25 am“McCain} sounds an awful lot like Bush when he talks about the economy.”
- - “Four dollars a gallon, my friend?” Yes, yes he does.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:25 amre 2:
You have now incurred the wrath of republicans hates facts, dude.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:27 amAnother poll!!!
What would libs be without POLLS????????
March 24th, 2008 at 11:29 amClinton climb down and let Obama get on with the job
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 amMcCain does represent a third Bush term, plain and simple. However, I take issue with the idea that it is “unwise” for him to let voters know that. It may lose him the election, but it is at least honest to let voters know that his Presidency would change nothing of substance from the current administration.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:39 amThe way that the Republicans have become expert at rigging elections, McCain’s 24% approval will result in 50.1% of the vote in November.
In order to cheat the election polls would have to
show its 50-50 +-35 points just before the elections
CLINTON STAND DOWN AND LET OBAMA START SPEAKING FOR THE DEMOCRATS NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE -
March 24th, 2008 at 11:40 amClinton Stand down
March 24th, 2008 at 11:41 amMcCain doesn’t really believe in Bush’s policies, but he’s willing to do anything to be president. Selling his soul for the Bilderberg Group, corporate controlled Great American Money Grab. He’s just the next in line to be their puppet-in-chief. Destroy the economy, they make billions. Continue the war in Iraq, they make billions. They destroy America and leave to live with their immense wealth stolen right from under us in another country. Paraguay maybe? Dubai? Israel?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:43 amWe really need to take control of this or we’re cooked.
John McCain on Iraq - Wrong from the Start:
“Absolutely. Absolutely.”
John McCain, asked by Chris Matthews, “you believe that the people of Iraq or at least a large number of them will treat us as liberators?” March 12, 2003.
“There’s no doubt in my mind that we will prevail and there’s no doubt in my mind, once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators.”
John McCain, March 24, 2003.
“I remain confident that we will find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 amJohn McCain, June 11, 2003.
Off topic, but not really…
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 amhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm
Obama, the Illinois senator who holds a lead in the number of nominating delegates, the nationwide popular vote and the number of contests won in the campaign.
Clinton you cant catch up - stand down - Obama needs time to get at McCain and you stand in the way of the democratic choice of the American people
OBAMA NEEDS TO TELL BUSH TO TALK TO IRAN AND CLINTONS GETTING IN THE WAY
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 amFRIENDS OF THE CLINTONS
A quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many ‘friends’ of the Clintons
1-James McDougal - Clinton ’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House .
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock ’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 -Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a ‘Dear friend and trusted advisor’.
7 -Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House . Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 -Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 -James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a ‘Black Book’ of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .
10 -James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He wasreported to have ties to Whitewater.
11 -Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 -Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 -Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 -Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena , Arkansas Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 -Paula Grober - Clinton ’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 -Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 ‘October Surprise’ was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 -Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 -Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 -Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 -Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ’s advisory council personally treated Clinton ’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23 -Barry Seal -Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24 -Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 -Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27 -Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as ‘The boys on the track’ case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 -Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 -Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 -Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 -Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33 -James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death wasdue to ‘natural causes’.
34 -Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35 -Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am37 -Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38 -Sgt. Brian Hanley
39 -Sgt. Tim Sabel
40 -Major General William Robertson
41 -Col. William Densberger
42 -Col. Robert Kelly
43 -Spec. Gary Rhodes
44 -Steve Willis
45 -Robert Williams
46 -Conway LeBleu
47 -Todd McKeehan
Clinton climb down and let Obama get on with the job you have too much BLOOD on your hands to be honest
March 24th, 2008 at 11:53 amWow, and I thought that it was mostly the right-whiners that hated the Clinton’s with a knee-jerk reactionary blindess!
It seems the Democrats worst enemies are our own members!
March 24th, 2008 at 11:55 amIm not a democrat Im from Scotland
But im no fan of Clinton
March 24th, 2008 at 11:57 amRight so she is quoting that poll yet the Corporate Media invents polls that also say that McCain is either ahead of both Clinton or Obama or tied .. The Corporate Media should be charged, tried, and convicted for purposeful, criminal, fraud committed against the American people.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:59 amDamn Tobie, are you on KKKarl’s payroll too? Most Democrats I talk too are for Obama and think Clinton should get out of the way because she is hurting the Party for selfish reasons, but you are posting troll droppings.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pmAnd in other news: Water is wet!
March 24th, 2008 at 12:03 pmi think mcbush had all commonsense tortured out of him…
March 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pmThe 2 party system is still a sham and the candidate elected in nov. will leave in place new laws which ubstruct the real and neccessary rights of a democracy of the citizenry and leave in it’s place a shell to protact the major global corporations which own both sides of the AMerican political system ! Wake up people , you are puting in place a new corporate global government whose loyalties have very little to do with what is good for America or for that matter any other country and everything to do with the bottom line !
March 24th, 2008 at 12:11 pmGlobal interests the IMF and the world bank are the real people you’ll be voting for in this election whichever party you you support ! Will we have thriving democracies on this planet with such powerful global economic interests or corporate dictatorships ? This is the real story behind the last several years in world politics as it is in this election.
Or, another Triumph the Insult Dog line:
“Tell me, how painful was the surgery to have your common sense removed?”
March 24th, 2008 at 12:16 pmfreeman Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Yes, it’s called Fascism.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:18 pmJohn McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
“The McManchurian Candidate”
March 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pmNevar Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Off topic, but not really…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm
This is bad….I guess Iran is not our friend, after all.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:20 pmTobie Tall Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Bill Richardson should definitely avoid small private aircraft.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:22 pmJust wait till Bush the MURDERER gets here to hell.
I will handle him.
Bush’s MASTER Satan
March 24th, 2008 at 12:27 pmIm for Obama , I cannot stand Clinton
I prefer the democrats to the Repulsives anyday
My Big Issue is this and its the same all over the world
we have 18 years Tory ( conservative or Republican)
we have 18 Years Labour ( democrat or whatever)
36 Years of my life is wasted and now my children suffer the same shit
no changes , theres not a decent government in any country in the whole world
politics is shite worldwide
BUT none have ever been as low as the Bushregime
March 24th, 2008 at 12:29 pmmark my words
while Clinton is hanging in there, Bush can attack Iran
March 24th, 2008 at 12:31 pmKeltoi, 2 points:
first, who ever said Iran was “our friend”?
second, the administration also had “evidence” that Iraq had WMD and was a “grave and gathering threat” against the US.
Point being, it may be true that Iran was “behind” the Green Zone attack. But this administration is clearly chomping at the bit to bomb Iran, and they’re doing everything in their power to cast Iran as a boogeymen. Last time they did this, they convinced a majority of Americans to support invasion of a state that was no threat to us.
The administration that cried wolf has squandered its credibility. Such is one cost of the way they do business.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pmWhy is dreamcrusher such an obnoxious troll?
Is it the delusion?
Is it the bitterness from supporting a failed political organ?
Is it just the inherent right-wing nastiness?
March 24th, 2008 at 12:41 pmTobie Tall,
I agree with you on Clinton and that the Repugnicunt regime under Boy George has been the worst ever. The Clintons are showing a side of themselves I had never seen and it is disappointing. Still, she is head and shoulders above McWirestouching, and if she gets the nomination I will be pissed but vote for her.
DreamCrusher, you are one dumb cnt. Do you have any money little guy that you could wager on the election? I will put up $1,000 to donate to your favorite charity if you will put up $1,000 to donate to my choice.
Put up or STFU punkita.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:50 pmTobie Tall Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:52 am
I agree with you that the Clintons have a fairly well-organized political and fund-raising machine, but the rumors of the “Clinton Body Count” have been around for a long time and have been debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/ politics/ clintons/ bodycount.asp
If we are going to criticize the Clintons, let’s make it about known things, rather than rumor and conjecture.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Keltoi, 2 points:
first, who ever said Iran was “our friend”?
Certainly not you, but there has been much defense of Iran on this list in the past, as if they are incapable of being an enemy.
second, the administration also had “evidence” that Iraq had WMD and was a “grave and gathering threat” against the US.
Point being, it may be true that Iran was “behind” the Green Zone attack. But this administration is clearly chomping at the bit to bomb Iran, and they’re doing everything in their power to cast Iran as a boogeymen. Last time they did this, they convinced a majority of Americans to support invasion of a state that was no threat to us.
The administration that cried wolf has squandered its credibility.
I really don’t think there will be an attack on Iran. Sure, anything is possible, but there are too many factors that weigh against it, not the least of which is the election.
My question is, why would Iran do something like this? Again, the complexity and hidden nature of that regimes internal politics is boggling to contemplate.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pmMy question is, why would Iran do something like this? Again, the complexity and hidden nature of that regimes internal politics is boggling to contemplate.
You don’t know that they DID, do you??
Just more LIES from the Bush TRAITORS, whose word is no longer worth ANYTHING.
WAR CRIMINAL TRAITORS need to be in JAIL, not trying to commit more WAR CRIMES.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:44 pmKeltoi Says:
there has been much defense of Iran on this list in the past, as if they are incapable of being an enemy.
Bullshit. Don’t confuse disputing the chicken-little charges thrown at Iran in an attempt to gin up another front in the War on Terrra with “defense of Iran”, and the “as if” addendum you include is nothing more than a tiny straw man.
the complexity and hidden nature of that regimes internal politics is boggling to contemplate
which makes it a perfect screen on which to project any and all fears and insecurities, just like Bush and the neocons did with Iraq. We don’t need any more of the one-percent doctrine — foreign policy driven by horrific “what if” scenarios. We need foreign policy driven by adults with a commitment to treating the rest of the world as adults.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pmDreamCrusher Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I will wager on the election - when I know that the media won’t invent some kind of scandal to bring down McCain.
Ah, so easily goes the false confidence expressed earlier in the thread:
DreamCrusher Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
McCain is going to win, and everyone with a brain knows it.
Powerful delusion on display.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pmSo using little guy is calling a name but you are ok with being called a cnt? Fair enough cnt. I might point out that you cast a stone when you state that anyone with a brain knows McWirestouching will be the next President. Especially on a thread that starts with 76% of Americans reject Bush’s policies. But I am willing to let you demonstrate your intellectual superiority.
I am in Arizona and will put $1,000 in escrow at a Title Company and you can do the same, or we can use a Title Company of your choice with the instructions of paying $1,000 to the charity of the winner’s choice next November 3rd.
Let’s do it b*tch. (I hope you are ok with b*tch)
March 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Keltoi Says:
there has been much defense of Iran on this list in the past, as if they are incapable of being an enemy.
Bullshit. Don’t confuse disputing the chicken-little charges thrown at Iran in an attempt to gin up another front in the War on Terrra with “defense of Iran”, and the “as if” addendum you include is nothing more than a tiny straw man.
the complexity and hidden nature of that regimes internal politics is boggling to contemplate
which makes it a perfect screen on which to project any and all fears and insecurities, just like Bush and the neocons did with Iraq. We don’t need any more of the one-percent doctrine — foreign policy driven by horrific “what if” scenarios. We need foreign policy driven by adults with a commitment to treating the rest of the world as adults.
Jeez, Ralph, did the Easter Bunny steal your wool before shearing time?
I said I don’t favor attacking Iran and don’t think it will happen. I do believe they are supplying weapons to Shia militias in Iraq; that they are giving them a green light to rocket the Green Zone is puzzling as to what they hope to accomplish by that. But I guess we just have to accept it, much like Israel has to accept rocket attacks from Hamas.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pmThis pretty much proves that the polls showing Obama/Clinton losing to McCain are only where they are because people don’t really know what McCain stands for!
If instead of sensationalizing the Rev Wright non-story, the media would compare the candidates head to head, McCain would be looking at about a 30% voter turnout — just the diehard Bushy 30%ers.
March 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pm