21 countries in the world are more ’stable’ than the U.S.
By on Mar 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
21 countries in the world are more ’stable’ than the U.S.
In a new report by by the British-based Jane’s Information Group, 21 countries are ranked more stable than the United States. Based on assessment of “political structures, social and economic trends, military and security risks and external relations,” the U.S. was given a risk rating of 93 out of 100 for all-round stability. The Vatican topped the list and Sweden was ranked second. Additionally, the study found that Afghanistan is more unstable than Iraq.
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Gee, I can’t imagine why.
sarc
March 25th, 2008 at 1:28 pmWow! That’s surprising! Considering how many horses asses are in the executive branch, I’d think we were even more ’stable’.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pmFree markets didn’t stablize our economy.
$650,000,000,000 didn’t stabilize our military.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:36 pmWe are the only developed country in the world where any significant number of people believe in creationism. Here the number is a frightening 50%!!! The number in other developed countries is generally a few percent or less. The wholesale rejection of science by this American Taliban is frightening.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pmWhen Obama gets in power America will go up in the ratings tremendously
March 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pmI guess these pollsters don’t own homes in the U.S. 21st in the world? Did they not check how were doing in the war? Did they not check who’s to blame for this credit crunch? Did they not check that we have 40million people without health care? Did they not check, Americians have a negative savings and are in debt up to there ears? Have they not checked inflation in the past six months?
I guess if they had checked those other stats, I’m sure we would be at least 50th in the world. HOW that for a survey!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pmAt least we did a little better in the UNDP’s last Human Development Report – ranked 12th, behind Finland and just above Spain.
We don’t do as well in Life Expectancy (31st, between Denmark and Cuba) and school enrollment (19th, behind Libya and Kazakhstan), but we kill in GDP – #2 behind Luxembourg.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pmhttp://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_USA.html
Heckuva job, GDumbya!
Go Snark Yourself
March 25th, 2008 at 1:42 pmcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
What do you mean 22nd? This is the best country in the world!
At what?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:44 pmno , there are 20 countries in this world who are more stable than the United States. Which presidential candidate will say America is the best country in the world?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:47 pmWhy is there this need to be first caredmanl? Are you hurt? Does this upset you? That mean ol’ list didn’t rank the US first. Those meanies.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pmThe troll would prefer that U.S. fortunes continue to sink further, just so long as it doesn’t ever to engage in any introspection.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pmcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Everything!! Even hating itself!!
When we do things which are against our 232+ years of history, maybe we should hate what is happening to our country. That would seem logical, no?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pmhellinabucket Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Why is there this need to be first caredmanl? Are you hurt? Does this upset you? That mean ol’ list didn’t rank the US first. Those meanies.
Why acknowledge the troll’s existence?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pmcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Everything!! Even hating itself!!
Do you have a statistic to back that up?
And if by “hating itself” you mean freedom of the press, we’re not #1 in that either. In fact, we’re #48, according to Reporters Without Borders: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pmdoesn’t ever have to engage in any introspection.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pmSometimes I prefer to ignore trolls. Sometimes I prefer to point out their moral and intellectual inferiority.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pmgummitch Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Why acknowledge the troll’s existence?
He’s bringing up an oft-repeated talking point: “we’re #1,” “we’re the best in the world,” “we’re the greatest country in the world.” I’ve always wondered exactly what that means.
I think this is a very good opportunity to find out from this troll exactly what he thinks we’re so good at.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pmThe troll doesn’t have a point, or wit, or a grasp of good grammar. All it’s got is a keyboard and a willingness to use it.
Ignore it.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWell, the Surge is working, so we can forget about any troop reductions. Right?
Perhaps ‘Bush Logic’ is at play in our ratings?…
March 25th, 2008 at 1:53 pmUK kids ‘unhappiest’ in developed world
March 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pmThis is a non issue thread. To have a troll bounce in and state something without fact isn’t going to derail it. It will just show others the anger of the troll.
Jane’s has been around for awhile and they are respected throughout the world. For caredmanl to spout anything against it is just showing his ignorance. He holds no cards.
I also disagree that a troll should be ignored all the time. Some here bring out great ideas from others and that feeds into more discussion and a greater understanding of the issues of the day.
I’ve given up getting baited into a dumbass contest with a troll but I will engage from time to time.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pmFor the stupid troll’s information, large numbers of intelligent foreigners used to come here for education in our graduate schools. Many of these foreigners stayed, filling a need for technical professionals in this country. This has generally been a boost to our economy, because in the past it enabled us to maintain our lead in technological innovation, thereby creating many jobs. Now many of the foreigners who once might have elected to come here are going elsewhere. Countries such as Canada, Australia, and Great Britain have been aggressively recruiting these best and brightest world citizens. I guarantee this is going to hurt U.S. competitiveness within the next decade.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmI love my country. I also don’t have blinders on. I don’t just listen to my leaders. I question them. Democracy is only as strong as it’s participants.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I think this is a very good opportunity to find out from this troll exactly what he thinks we’re so good at.
There’s your problem. This isn’t someone you can have an intellectual discussion with, for a number of reasons. And if you could, it wouldn’t be relevant to the sentient population.
I mean, if you just want to play with it, fine but it just encourages the troll to hang around.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTobie Tall Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
When Obama gets in power America will go up in the ratings tremendously
__________________________________________
Even if Superman ran for president and got elected, there are problems that will require a lot of work to fix before our stability ratings go up. Most of these have to do with economic stability (skyrocketing debt, weakness of the dollar, unprecedented indebtedness to other countries, recession, etc.), but we will also have to become more unified as a people and increase our standing with the world community.
Yes, Obama will be able to make some measurable progress toward these goals, but it won’t happen overnight.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:00 pmI know many European scientists who say they do everything possible to avoid visiting the United States, because they feel treated like criminals when passing through our immigration service. This is already having an impact on the quality of science conferences in this country, and it is derailing important collaborations between U.S. and European scientists. We all lose when this happens. Now Europe and Asia are starting to leave us behind in several critical science disciplines. The rest of the world is learning that it doesn’t need us as much as it used to. Our prestige is declining worldwide. But the stupid troll would rather wallow in its bigoted ignorance than reflect on this situation. It is probably a creationist.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm.
We’re 22!
We’re 22!
.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pmI wouldn’t even go so far as to be concerned about what any troll says. If it’s coherent and valid then I will acknowledge it. If it’s a continuation of the blind, rabid ignorance that has been shown so many times I’ll gauge my response. I may not respond.
The line of communication shouldn’t only be opened to like minded people. But there has to be a level of understanding on the guidelines between those communicating. The ones that are quick to standard insults show me and anyone else who cares to read that logic doesn’t enter that person’s mind. That is shown from all sides of the political spectrum.
I’ll continue to engage and inquire for someone to prove their point. I just might learn something.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pmgummitch Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
There’s your problem. This isn’t someone you can have an intellectual discussion with, for a number of reasons. And if you could, it wouldn’t be relevant to the sentient population.
I mean, if you just want to play with it, fine but it just encourages the troll to hang around.
Yah, I know. I try to see the good in people, no matter what. It’s an ongoing problem I have – I call it “being a liberal.” :)
Oh, and if any trolls want to try and argue that we’re the best country to do business in, I point to the World Bank’s Private Sector at a Glance statistics: http://devdata.worldbank.org/PSD/usa_psd.pdf
We’re only #3 in the “Ease of Doing Business” index.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pmStopping illegal aliens would do next to nothing to stop the flow of illegal drugs.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:05 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Even if Superman ran for president and got elected, there are problems that will require a lot of work to fix before our stability ratings go up.
If Superman ran for president, he’d be chastized by conservatives for being an illegal immigrant from Krypton.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:05 pmSouthern Man Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Mr Le Mière said that the US had fallen down the scale, although it still scored an average of 93 out of 100, partly because of the proliferation of small arms owned by Americans and the threat to the population posed by the flow of drugs from across the Mexican border.
The flow of drugs coming from the Mexican border hurts us? We would probably move up in the rankings if we built a system that prevented illegal aliens that bring drugs across the borders. I wonder what else is crossing that border that we don’t know about?
How do you make the leap from drugs to illegal aliens? Do you seriously contend that the drug traffic from Mexico (which has been in place at least since the 60s) is being run by illegals? Never heard of drug cartels? The vast majority of laborers coming across the border are here looking for work; they’re not mules. Mules come over and go back, come over and go back, or they’re of no use to smugglers.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pmFlag the troll, don’t engage it. I say again, if TP had a true rating system, we could take some of the load off the admin’s hands. However, until that day, flag flag flag!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmThis has generally been a boost to our economy, because in the past it enabled us to maintain our lead in technological innovation, thereby creating many jobs. Now many of the foreigners who once might have elected to come here are going elsewhere. Countries such as Canada, Australia, and Great Britain have been aggressively recruiting these best and brightest world citizens. I guarantee this is going to hurt U.S. competitiveness within the next decade.
We are also, now, exporting our technology and most of the innovation is being done in other places in the world. We have a great chance right now to become the world’s innovators in clean energy. But are we. No… we don’t think there is a need for clean energy so we are allowing other countries to get the jump on us on this very important technology. Kind of like GM dropped the ball on the hybrid vehicle.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmsouthern “man” – legalizing all drugs and ending the phony “war on some people who use some drugs” would go a long way towards making us more secure by removing drugs from the criminal market and destroying a primary funding mechanism for terrorists and other criminals.
But all you can concentrate on is your FEAR of the brown man.
Why are you right wingers such sisies?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pmOur business leaders are starting to look like a joke to the rest of the developed world. This can’t be helpful to American business. A number of major partnerships have fallen apart in recent years because our foreign partners believe that their American counterparts behaved duplicitously. This derailed the Daimler-Chrysler merger, and the Northwest-KLM partnership, for example. Now, because the Bush administration has caused devastation to the dollar, our companies are being snatched up at fire-sale prices by foreign interests. So rather than having partnerships that might strengthen our companies, we are seeing foreign interests gain ever more control of those companies.
“But I’m a troll, nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh! I can’t hear you, nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh! I know you are but what am I, nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh! …..”
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pmSouthern’s got a point, gummitch. If illegals can cross so easily, so can smugglers. Tightening the border will address both issues.
I know the opinion that blocking people from crossing the border without documentation is unwanted, but frankly, I have to agree with Southern here. The illegals show that anyone can get in. It’s not a far leap to go from an illegal hunting for work to a person with a grudge against America and the raw materials to create havoc or a smuggler who wants to make money off selling us drugs. If one can get in, so can all the others.
Now I need to take a bath. I just agreed with SM.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pmBoth trolls share one thing in common with their dreamy dictator. Excellent cheerleading skills.
Rah! Rah! We’re numero uno! Oops, not in espanol!…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pmHow do you make the leap from drugs to illegal aliens? Do you seriously contend that the drug traffic from Mexico (which has been in place at least since the 60s) is being run by illegals? Never heard of drug cartels? The vast majority of laborers coming across the border are here looking for work; they’re not mules. Mules come over and go back, come over and go back, or they’re of no use to smugglers.
Their mindset is that if it comes from the Mexican side of the border it must be the illegals. Because the undocumented workers in this country are the current boogyman along with anyone of Muslim descent. What would the Republicans do without their boogymen?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pmWant to end illegal immigration?
LOCK UP the right wingers that HIRE them.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pmHey, we beat Belgium, cool! They make great beer too so we must be doing something right! (just looking at the bright side, nevermind, thought I had a Trappist Ale around here somewhere. . .)
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pmWe have a great chance right now to become the world’s innovators in clean energy. But are we. No
Japan, Taiwan, and Germany are way ahead of us in photovoltaics. These countries are really putting a lot of effort into this area. Europe is also way ahead in wind power. They are going to eat our lunch when it comes to alternative energy.
American executives once believed in investing in research. Now many of them have come to believe that scientific innovation is a commodity that can be bought and sold. How wrong they are. Our foreign competitors will develop the technology, they will keep it, and they will exploit it for their own gain. We will be left behind.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pmcaredmanI sounds like ‘John Kerry’
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pmWhatever happened to that other war the republicans wanted to wage? That war on drugs. Remember that one. If one didn’t know better it would appear that someone wants the flow of drugs to continue into this country. Not for the terrible effects on the citizens but for the unaccounted cash flow.
Iran Contra just changed offices, they didn’t close shop.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pmThe illegals show that anyone can get in. It’s not a far leap to go from an illegal hunting for work to a person with a grudge against America and the raw materials to create havoc or a smuggler who wants to make money off selling us drugs. If one can get in, so can all the others.
Now I need to take a bath. I just agreed with SM.
So what do you propose we do. How about building a 10 foot fence along the entire US border. Would that make you feel more safe? Drugs were being brought into this country over the Mexican border long before undocumented workers started coming. So, I don’t understand how you make the giant leap from undocumented workers to drug runners. Also, going on to the terrorist who is going to come over the border and blow up an American city is getting into the troll territory. They don’t have to come over the border from Mexico, they can come across the Canadian border. Or do you want to build a wall along our Canadian border too?
There is no way we can protect ourselves from evil by building a wall around our country. The only way we can build any real safety for ourselves is to start working on the problems that exist in our world that make people hate us and want to kill us. That didn’t happen in a vacuum. People are not born hating the United States.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pmMcWars, and themanwhocared or whatever his last name was. Serial Troll.
Here’s hoping he’s gone soon.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pmLegalize drugs and you take away the terrorists’ money.
Legalize, regulate, tax, and educate.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pmSouthern’s got a point, gummitch. If illegals can cross so easily, so can smugglers. Tightening the border will address both issues.
This is wrong. Drugs do not generally enter the country the same way illegals do. The bulk of drugs enter by sophisticated means. Tanker trucks with fake documentation, high speed power boats, planes flying in under the radar, underground tunnels, luggage carried by our own citizens or tourists entering on legitimate visas. Lots of drugs are brought in as cargo with every appearance of being legitimate. Stopping this is basically impossible, unless you want to completely shut down commerce.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pmLet’s start with what we do have control over. The businesses that hire illegals. Instead of billions towards of fence how about hundreds of millions into the enforcement of the current laws? I see republicans currently all for the explosion of govt. agencies but I don’t see any real commitment from them to adhere to and enforce current laws.
Instead of a fence I’d like to see enforcement increased. It would cost less, it would inject jobs (i.e money) into the economy and would make the businesses in this country accountable.
What say you Southern Man?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pmAre you telling me that if we built a security system that encompassed the entire Mexican border, one that was manned and operated to stop illegal entrance into our borders, that it would in turn do nothing to at least slow the amount of drugs coming across these borders?
How about we build a wall entirely around the US. Would that make you feel safer? If we were to somehow cut off the border in Mexico (something that is pretty much impossible), they would bring the drugs over the Canadian border or continue to fly them in. If we build a 10 foot fence, they will come with an 11 foot ladder. As I said in my last post, there is no way we can make ourselves entirely safe. But we can make a good start by addressing the problems we are creating in this world that cause people to hate us. And please don’t tell me they hate “our freedom”. It is getting to the point where they are more free than we are. We now have our government spying on us. Kind of reminds you of Russia, doesn’t it.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:23 pmAre you telling me that if we built a security system that encompassed the entire Mexican border, one that was manned and operated to stop illegal entrance into our borders, that it would in turn do nothing to at least slow the amount of drugs coming across these borders?
Yes, that is exactly what I am telling you. Read #56 for a more detailed explanation. Also, you’re notion of a security system is utterly impractical, given the vast border.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:23 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
At least we did a little better in the UNDP’s last Human Development Report – ranked 12th, behind Finland and just above Spain.
We don’t do as well in Life Expectancy (31st, between Denmark and Cuba) and school enrollment (19th, behind Libya and Kazakhstan), but we kill in GDP – #2 behind Luxembourg.
http://hdrstats.undp.org/ countries/ country_fact_sheets/ cty_fs_USA.html
Frankly, I prefer to live in Spain, without a doubt.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pmpaleolib Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Hey, we beat Belgium, cool! They make great beer too so we must be doing something right! (just looking at the bright side, nevermind, thought I had a Trappist Ale around here somewhere. . .)
Must have been thinking of my cellar.
The Belgians are trying to figure out whether they’re really one country and whether they’ll stay that way. I’d guess that the tension about that issue was a factor, probably more so than the corrosive effect of too much Stella Artois.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pmAccording to polls taken some time ago, WE – US are considered to be the biggest terrorist threat of the world.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pmI am sure that attitude has grown.
Southern Man
Building stuff around the border is a diversion. We’ve been through this many times: Stop creating the incentive for them to cross. RantingTommy also pointed out that legalizing drugs will make them worthless — a good thing.
I don’t want to hear any more about taxpayers building fences, even virtual. Crack down on employers. Fix the relevant trade agreement(s).
March 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pmIt is simply a myth that illegal aliens act as drug mules. Drug smugglers do not want to use mules who will attract any attention, and people entering without documentation attract attention. To the extent that smugglers use mules, they are using U.S. citizens, or foreign visitors traveling on legitimate visas. But to a large extent, the big drug shipments are entering disguised as commerce, in airplanes, tanker trucks, and cargo ships, or through elaborate tunnels under the border. We simply cannot plug all the holes. We have been spending something like $15 billion a year on interdiction, and it has been an abject failure, as proven by the drop in the price of illegal drugs over the past 25 years.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pmVerbalKint Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Southern’s got a point, gummitch. If illegals can cross so easily, so can smugglers. Tightening the border will address both issues.
This is wrong. Drugs do not generally enter the country the same way illegals do. The bulk of drugs enter by sophisticated means. Tanker trucks with fake documentation, high speed power boats, planes flying in under the radar, underground tunnels, luggage carried by our own citizens or tourists entering on legitimate visas. Lots of drugs are brought in as cargo with every appearance of being legitimate. Stopping this is basically impossible, unless you want to completely shut down commerce.
I agree. It’s possible that the mythical fence would cause a temporary hitch in the flow of drugs, but it wouldn’t last long. Although you did fail to mention the most obvious factor in smuggling: bribes. The drug smugglers have too much money to throw around for them to worry about fences. Fences have gates, and the gatekeepers all have bills.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pmBilbo, frankly, yes. A border that is patrolled and enforced.
We will never be free of the people who hate us. Too much has been done by us and in our name to ever be free of the hatred we’ve generated towards us, and even had we been lily-white, the simple fact that we are ‘the sole remaining super-power’ makes us a target to the envious. People who make $#!+ up aren’t limited to the right in America, dude.
But I forget. The world can’t be shades of grey. To your mind, it can only be black and white. Much like the right-wing mouthpieces you jump on, you believe that your answer is the only one. I like to think that unlike your display in the last time we exchanged over the topic of porous borders that let Illegals in that I can respectfully disagree with those who hold different opinions than I, as long as they do the same for me. You still owe me an apology for that, and don’t think I have forgotten it, or forgiven it.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pmThe drug cartels are so sophisticated that they are now building their own submarines.
Any attempt to reduce supply simply drives up the price, and in doing so drives up the profit motive. We have been trying to reduce supply for decades now, at great expense, and we have made LESS than zero progress. It is long past time to try a different approach.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:30 pmThe most credible estimates put illegals at about 5% of our population. I’m not suggesting that we open the borders, but I don’t see a crisis here.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:32 pmI do agree that other measures have to be taken as well. Securing our borders are but one step. Other steps suggested work as well. Fine the hell out of businesses caught hiring illegals (and make sure to LOOK for them!). Legalize drugs, tax them, and monitor them. Make the behavior the crime, not the things leading up to the behavior (Wreck a car? Big punishment. Drinking beforehand? Doesn’t matter). Clean up our image abroad. Enlightened leadership and all.
But you can’t just neglect border enforcement….there _are_ people out there who wish to hurt us, and they’ll want to hurt us for years after we clean up our act, simply because of things that happened in the past. Human nature, people…sucky as it is.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:34 pmCrack down on employers, and illegals will either apply for citizenship or they’ll go home. It’s the most cost effective way to deal with this.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pmI’m probably making a mistake, however, in being part of turning
March 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pmthis thread into yet another contentious immigration debate.
RantingTommy Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Legalize drugs and you take away the terrorists’ money.
Legalize, regulate, tax, and educate.
Actually this would end the big profits by the organized crime.
Prohibition on alcohol didn’t work and the “war on drugs” doesn’t work. What any prohibition does, it turns citizens into criminals.
Before the drug law was enacted, people who were addicts were not considered criminals,they could get work, drugs were not expensive because they didn’t have to smuggled, so addicts did not have to turn to other crimes to support their habits.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pmHemp/Canabis was outlawed because hemp was a competitor to Oil companies (Standard Oil), synthetic fibers ( Dupont ), etc. and those corps pushed the buttons of the churches/pro-prohibitionists.
They pushed the racist buttons also, it was a black and hispanic ( insert illegal immigrant ) drug.
Don’t we also have just about the highest rate of adult incarceration in THE WORLD?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pmDaryll Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I must chime in. Compared to a number of countries, we are lacking in issues like education, security, finance, etc. As of right now, a lot of our technical jobs are moving overseas because they can hire young IT professionals that are even more intelligent than young Americans for cheap. We have a lot of issues that must be resolved, but I still love this country.
“More intelligent”? No, Daryll. “Better educated”. And you can thank your Republican buddies for short-changing public education.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:45 pmDaryll Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
RUCerious Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Don’t we also have just about the highest rate of adult incarceration in THE WORLD?
Yes, this is because a lack of capital punishment.
You’re an idiot. No other First World country has capital punishment at all and this country executes plenty of people every year. That’s your solution to everything, Daryll. Capital punishment. Jesus would cry just to listen to you.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pmExcellent info – It will sure help with my ex-patriation planning.
btw Righties – I’m taking donations – be the first on your block to help one of “those damned liberals” take leave of this country for good.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:49 pmRUCerious Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Don’t we also have just about the highest rate of adult incarceration in THE WORLD?
You’re right – good thinking!
According to the 2005 World Prison Population List, the United States ranks #1 for number of incarcerated persons, with 714 per 100,000. With that rate, we leave human-rights paradises like Belarus, Russia, Turkmenistan, and Cuba WAY behind.
Finally, something we can be proud of.
USA! USA! We’re #1! We’re #1!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:50 pm@70 -Don’t worry, Dixie – Jack Daniels will be there to help those kids get wherever they want to go.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:51 pmDon’t forget guns, guns, and more guns plus hate radion!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:55 pmgummitch Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I agree. It’s possible that the mythical fence would cause a temporary hitch in the flow of drugs, but it wouldn’t last long.
People seem to think “the border” is that line between the U.S. and Mexico or the U.S. and Canada. It’s also that line between the passport clerk and the baggage claim that’s crossed freely by thousands and thousands of people every day at every international airport in the country.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:04 pm…..So?!?…..
March 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pmI wonder how much opium/heroin is making its way from Afghanistan back to the States courtesy of all those Gang-Bangers we’ve allowed into the military?
Crips, Bloods, Vice Lords, Sureno, Norteno, MS13 – all the big gangs in the US now have significant numbers enlisted overseas, where they are advancing their own cause and setting up new overseas chapters.
Is our military misadventure contributing to the number of hopeless addicts on our streets right now? If it is, you can be sure the PR prerogative will prevent us from finding out.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:18 pmso sad and true tombaker. It was reported earlier in the year (or maybe late last year) that there will be another record crop of opium coming from Afhganistan. Breaking the previous record made a year earlier.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pmhellinabucket Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
so sad and true tombaker. It was reported earlier in the year (or maybe late last year) that there will be another record crop of opium coming from Afhganistan. Breaking the previous record made a year earlier.
Do not forget South America. There are some reports that the CIA is assisting in smuggling drugs (cocaine) into the US as a way to keep the ‘alliances’ intact. Bush would probably pick the wrong horse in a one horse race.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm9 of the 21 countries on the top 21 have populations that would be dwarfed by any of a dozen US cities. I am not real sure how valid this assessment is.
I mean, c’mon, the Vatican? They are defended by guys with Halberds.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pmThere are some reports saying the CIA is assisting to keep revenue streams open for the funding of the more covert operations.
Iran Contra shows it was already done. One could easily use the same logic that this administration has used in accusing Iraq of WMD’s that the CIA has continued to have a hand in smuggling drugs into the US. “Absense of evidence doesn’t show evidence of Absense” Or something along those lines from our old Sec Def Rumy.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pmKeltoi,
do you really put much emphasis on this list? I don’t.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pmhellinabucket Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Keltoi,
do you really put much emphasis on this list? I don’t.
Nah. Very subjective to start, but the top 50 is dominated by miniscule countries that are only able to exist because of alliance with larger powers.
The U.S. has by far the largest population on the list, followed by Japan with a lower ranking and about half our population, the vast majority of it ethnically/culturally homogeneous.
So no, the list is fun, but I don’t see any way to make a valid comparison between a country of 300+ million and a city-state like Monaco.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pmBut I forget. The world can’t be shades of grey. To your mind, it can only be black and white. Much like the right-wing mouthpieces you jump on, you believe that your answer is the only one. I like to think that unlike your display in the last time we exchanged over the topic of porous borders that let Illegals in that I can respectfully disagree with those who hold different opinions than I, as long as they do the same for me. You still owe me an apology for that, and don’t think I have forgotten it, or forgiven it.
Yes, we can agree to disagree. There is nothing black and white in my answers. I see the problem of undocumented workers to be many shades of gray. It is totally impossible for us to build any kind of a barrier that will keep them out permanently. As I said before, if we build a 10 foot fence, they will bring a 11 foot ladder.
If we really want to get serious about doing something about the undocumented workers in this country, we need to start by arresting the white people here who hire them. They WOULD NOT COME IF THERE WERE NOT JOBS!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:11 pmJeremy in Denver Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
You still owe me an apology for that, and don’t think I have forgotten it, or forgiven it.
Please enlighten me. Why am I supposed to apologize to you? And I could care less if you carry a grudge. That’s your problem not mine and more a reflection of what kind of a person you are.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmKeltoi Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I agree. An argument can be made that a smaller country that has more control over it’s borders, infrastructure, etc…. is more desirable than others.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pmhellinabucket Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Keltoi Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I agree. An argument can be made that a smaller country that has more control over it’s borders, infrastructure, etc…. is more desirable than others.
Indeed. Plato theorized in the Republic that democracy became increasingly difficult when you exceeded 10,000 citizens. Too bad the Macedonians weren’t too concerned with democracy. But smaller is definitely better, local control = enlightened self interest rules.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pmOh, this is just too precious. The serial liar, Daryll, bemoaning the U.S. education system? First, foreign kids aren’t “more intelligent” they are better educated. Why? Because their parents don’t replace science with infantile fairy tales.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:36 pmTime to make those vacation plans and only go for the top 20 countries. New York was once the place for the World to visit now that everyone can see even the smartest New Yorker will fall for a lie that’s out. California was sucked in by Enron and now with Arnie is looking for 16 Billion dollars to cover the stolen money. Texas is the heartland of Satan aka Bush. As for the rest of America it’s so much in debt it’s not worth the visit. Ohio has 10 per cent of it’s citizens on Welfare not much of a vacation spot. Now that Americans, White House and the Media have brought back racism and hate it’s best for the Foreign vacationers to go to a place that teaches respect and God’s values.
Maybe with a new President and hopefully God will come back to America. People will again feel welcome to visit the United States of America.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:38 pmJackie, God never left America.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pmSouthern Man has no clue that the flow of drugs across our borders is facilitated, in part, by our own people. It pays wayyyyyyy better.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pmYes Keltoi,
I agree to let states have more power. Like Republicans used to talk about.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:28 pmhellinabucket You might be right for the God the Republicans and most Americans follow, I was just talking about the God that created man. I have listen to the Christian Religious Republican Values that we are to follow today. Yes we have a Secretary of State Powell who openly lies to the United Nations, we torture, rape and kill men/woman/children. We have allowed thousands of US soldiers to die based on lies. We see our once honest DOJ now putting Governor Siegleman in jail based on lies. Oh yes let’s not forget Senator Vitters our hero who still hires Prostitutes knowing nothing will be done. Larry Craig is just fine with us with his Christian Values while looking for sex from men in the men’s room. Oh of course there’s Mark Foley who for years selectively looked for kids to molest while our Law Makers knew about it and did nothing but of course no charges were ever filed on this man. One World Leader can believe a word the US says anymore why because for 7 years our Leaders have out right lied but then it is the same Leaders that exhibit the US Religious Values you are talking about.
Now to sit around and think what’s happening in the US today is ok with the real God then I guess you never read the bible and what God thinks people who act like. Now you might be right about the God being here in the US but it’s Satan aka Evil God that is fully in charge. Until Americans face the truth most will continue to believe the lie. It hurts to know we’re been tricked and fooled by a group of Evil people, but it’s our own fault if we don’t change it.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:23 pmLet me just say that it is not the immigrant legal or illegal the connection to the drug problem of the U.S. The naive young people (and some not so young) in this society using drugs as a rite of passage into adulthood are the real problem. The law of demand and supply. Once people here stop using drugs the business will dry up. BTW most of the drugs that came in during the eighties came through a little known airport in Arkansas where a well known politician was the governor and gave it the blind eye. During the seventies it’s a well known fact their chosen landing place was Florida, nineties on to present they are arriving at the west coast… They come by boat, two engine planes, and fishing boats to deserted spots up California-Oregon border, and through Puerto Rico via Dominican Republic where Darth likes to go fishing. All the Mexican and Central American man smuggles with him are their old tortillas and jalapenos they eat as they cross the Rio grande.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:10 pmThe other part is to ask? Why do the young and not so young do drugs? I believe it is an escape or response to the crazy society they live in…in other words “to our way of Life” Lies, deceptions, pretending to be #1, while being kept totally in the dark of the truth that the rest of the world pities and views us as overweight morons. The dichotomy of Church on Sunday, screw them on Monday. The absence of real parenting and love. The preaching there is no racism anymore when most of those languishing in jails are non-white, etc etc. I think I don’t need to go on cause if you don’t get it by now you’ll never will.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:22 pmTanker trucks with fake documentation, high speed power boats, planes flying in under the radar, underground tunnels, luggage carried by our own sohbet
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