Kevin Drum: Where does McCain’s media cred come from?
Kevin Drum: Where does McCain’s media cred come from?
Referring to Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) repeated false claim that that Iran is training Al-Qaeda, last Sunday on Meet the Press, NBC political director Chuck Todd said the “stumble” won’t hurt his presidential candidacy because McCain has “enough” credibility “in the bank with media that he can get away with it.” The Washington Monthly’s Kevin Drum takes a closer look at McCain’s media “cred”:
Let’s recap. Foreign policy cred lets him get away with wild howlers on foreign policy. Fiscal integrity cred lets him get away with outlandishly irresponsible economic plans. Anti-lobbyist cred lets him get away with pandering to lobbyists. Campaign finance reform cred lets him get away with gaming the campaign finance system. Straight talking cred lets him get away with brutally slandering Mitt Romney in the closing days of the Republican primary. Maverick uprightness cred allows him to get away with begging for endorsements from extremist religious leaders like John Hagee. “Man of conviction” cred allows him to get away with transparent flip-flopping so egregious it would make any other politician a laughingstock. Anti-torture cred allows him to get away with supporting torture as long as only the CIA does it.
Drum asks: “Remind me again: where does all this cred come from?”
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MSM cred. No street cred, the MSM makes up it’s own cred. Or is it just crud?
March 25th, 2008 at 9:55 amVote McBush!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:11 amUSA RIP
mcINSANE is senile. gotta go easy on the elderly & insane.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:12 amNot to in any way denigrate his POW experience (which doesn’t compute imo as foreign policy experience), but McBush’s cred is MSM POA.
Perhaps all that time in the Hanoi Hilton computes better w/a broken mind, as well as a broken body. Might account for a lot of McBush speak.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:12 amLike all credit bubbles, this one is bound to pop soon and it will be the American people who have to bail out the lenders once again…
March 25th, 2008 at 10:12 amSO?
“We’re succeeding. I don’t care what anybody says.” -grampa mcSAME
March 25th, 2008 at 10:13 amThis is where the infighting between Hillary and Obama will prove fatal to the Democratic party.
1. Rightly or wrongly, Hillary carries a lot of baggage from the Republican attacks against her during the Clinton years.
2. Obama is a new name and is suffering from the attacks made by Hiallary against him. This is especially dangerous since the attacks imply that McCain would be qualified to be president while Obama would not.
3. MSM has given McCain a free ride ever since the 2000 when the myth of the “straight talker” and maverick were born.
We need to be coming together as a party. Sorry, but June or later is not going to give us enough time to counter the narrative already being spread by the media.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 amWhere does the cred come from? It seems that McCain holds the ultimate trump card — he’s the presumptive Republican nominee. And most media are owned by corporate greedheads that will do anything to hold onto the big business friendly policies of the current administration, and McBush is the only candidate likely to let that happen.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 amNow matter how stupid, how senile, how corrupt, …
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 amIt kind of reminds me of the endless fawning over the “teflon president”, Ronald Reagan. Only during Iran-Contra did his star appear to lose a bit of its luster.
Reagan had one of the most corrupt administrations ever, with more people associated with it indicted and/or convicted than any other administration in history. Yet Reagan himself remained a Golden Boy — kept in that spot by the media who made sure his “nice guy” image remained intact.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 amMcLame will destroy whatever is left of this country. I just hope the Nazi Chimp and his sneering sidekck, Darth doesn’t decide to go ahead with 9/11 Pt.2. — cancel the election, installing Martial Law — thus making himself Dictator of America (now in name, not just in actions) –
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Hilobama will bring this country futher into debt. how do they expect to fund their policies ideas?? socialized medicine, Global Warming, !! its all a damn joke
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Uh…could you at least TRY to stay on topic?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:23 amMcCain’s presidency would be Bush-third-term.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amIt is already beginning in the press, who gave Bush a year-long benefit of the doubt regardless of his gross displays of ignorance.
Hilobama will bring this country futher into debt. how do they expect to fund their policies ideas?? socialized medicine, Global Warming, !! its all a damn joke
“The British government says that, at any
one time, there are about a million people
waiting to get into hospitals. According to
the Fraser Institute, almost 900,000 Canadian
patients are on the waiting list at any
point in time. And, according to the New
Zealand government, 90,000 people are on
the waiting lists there.”
And there are 45 million who can’t get into hospitals here at all, so we’re well behind the other countries you referenced. the money for universal health care is easily come by in many ways, including ending the losing war in Iraq and outlawing the profit motive for health insurance. America’s manufacturing would be revitalized if companies had the healthcare burden taken off them. Too bad facts always favor liberal policies. Always have, always will.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am(#14, that year-long benefit was during the 2000 campaign.)
March 25th, 2008 at 10:27 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Hilobama will bring this country futher into debt. how do they expect to fund their policies ideas?? socialized medicine, Global Warming, !! its all a damn joke
really? is that why every single american “owes” $25,000 to pay for iraq?
god you idiots need to die, you are a cancer on society.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:30 amWhere does McFreepass get his cred? From the corporate owners who direct their talking head minions to do so, or else no more big fat paycheck.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:30 amKevin Drum: Where does McCain’s media cred come from?
From blowing smoke up the media’s backside that’s where.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:35 amThis build-up is not going to work for three reasons:
1) George W. Bush came out of nowhere. He could be shaped. The petulant rich-kid screwup could be repackaged as Jimmy Stewart, because he was a cipher. Make and re-make are two different things.
2) The Gore campaign was too dignified to go after Bush. Neither Obama nor Clinton is going to make that mistake.
3) We’ll be in a severe recession by November. No party has ever won an election with that on their backs.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:35 am“Remind me again: where does all this cred come from?”
Plump hot dogs with all the fixins and juicy barbeque ribs.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amHillary? Barack? You want that kind of media tongue bath? Better fire up the bar-b-que, ’cause them free-loadin’ reporters like to be coddled, and treated like they are important. Wear some sort of stupid, self-effacing message-apron, and don’t forget their first names, or they’ll paint you as an elitist.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Hilobama will bring this country futher into debt. how do they expect to fund their policies ideas?? socialized medicine, Global Warming, !! its all a damn joke
The British government says that, at any
one time, there are about a million people
waiting to get into hospitals. According to
the Fraser Institute, almost 900,000 Canadian
patients are on the waiting list at any
point in time. And, according to the New
Zealand government, 90,000 people are on
the waiting lists there.
You know what? You are so full of bullshit it’s astounding. Where are all these sick people? I watch BBC news on the internet all the time and I’ve never seen any reports of this. Where do you get your figures? Where are all the people dying because they can’t get into the hospitals? You are quite possibly the most braindead simpleton I’ve ever read here.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:39 amHere’s what conservatives are all about dumbass. Borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Tax and steal, tax and steal. They keep reinventing the mantra that brainwashes nuts like you into believing that helping your country and your fellow citizens is bad and that them stuffing their pockets at our expense it good. They sure got their money’s worth out of you, stupid!
IgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Kevin Drum: Where does McCain’s media cred come from?
From blowing smoke up the media’s backside that’s where.
And free barbeques too! Did you read about that one. All the reporters decided to give the old fart a break just because the got some free pork! No pun intended.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:42 amThe Govt refuses to create networks like the insurance companies! So in order for hospitals to get the money they need they overcharge the govt.
A fine example of republican/conservative illogic.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:43 amDrum asks: “Remind me again: where does all this cred come from?”
It comes from the MSM which has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the RNC.
I would also like to know where the MSM is on Hillary Rove Clinton’s lie about sniper fire in Bosnia. Didn’t see any reference to it in either of my two local newspapers. The Washington post has it buried somewhere on it’s website, but certainly not on the front page. I had to so a search to find reference to it. Same with the NY Times. How Hillary thinks she is getting the shaft from the media is beyond me.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Overcharging the government for anything is called FRAUD numbnuts. It isn’t caused by paying for healthcare, it’s caused by unscrupulous jerks like you.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 amIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Kevin Drum: Where does McCain’s media cred come from?
From blowing smoke up the media’s backside that’s where.
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Ah — so THAT was the reason for McCain’s barbecue for the press…
March 25th, 2008 at 10:45 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
socialized medicine
Medicine, by principle, should be socialized. The ’socialized’ part should go w/o saying.
And how do corporate insurance vendors plan to stay in business with a booming aging population? You think many people will be able to continue to afford their prices? It’s no more expensive and bound to be much more effective for the government to get into the health insurance/care business for all citizens.
Stop standing in the way of people with viable solutions. This country shouldn’t have to waste away years with problems on its back because like you think you can handle the current system.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:46 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Keith and Dan talked about it last night. They’re probably the only ones though.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:47 amYou my friend or grossly misinformed. Medicare is the reason Health care is so expensive.
And the fact that drug companies spend 60% of their budgets on advertising has nothing to do with the high cost of medicines.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:47 amNot to in any way denigrate his POW experience (which doesn’t compute imo as foreign policy experience), but McBush’s cred is MSM POA.
It also doesn’t compute to me as his being a “hero” because he was captured and spent years in custody.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:48 amCorrection to #30: …on its back because [a few people] like you..
March 25th, 2008 at 10:48 amJMOHR Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 am
We need to be coming together as a party. Sorry, but June or later is not going to give us enough time to counter the narrative already being spread by the media.
How right you are. All the Hillary supporters keep saying “what’s the harm of her staying in until the bitter end”. Well, you nailed what is wrong very succinctly.
At first I found it hard to believe that Hillary would rather have McCain as President than Obama. But, everything she has done in the last three weeks points to that fact. That is so selfish. It’s as selfish as all the Hillary supporters who say they won’t vote for Obama under any circumstances.
I’ll vote for Hillary if I have to, even though I despise what she has become. But, I love my country more than I despise Hillary. This country won’t survive another four years of Republican rule.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:51 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am
I would also like to know where the MSM is on Hillary Rove Clinton’s lie about sniper fire in Bosnia. Didn’t see any reference to it in either of my two local newspapers.
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The media aren’t spending much time or energy on either Hillary’s wild stories or McCain’s flip-flops and “senior moments.”
After all, there’s a preacher out there who once said “God d*mn America!” And everybody knows that what a candidate’s preacher says is FAR more important than what a candidate says.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:53 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:50 am
And why would that popsicle cost $75? The insurance companies pay for it and then turn right around and raise your premiums. If they would challenge the costs of some of the care they’re supposed to pay for this would stop. Hospital administrators are will gouge anyone for a buck just like Exxon. The next time you have to go to the hospital and have to have a procedure done ask for a detailed audit of your charges. They have to provide you with one if you ask. After my first hernia surgery I did just that and saved Blue Cross about $2000 and myself about $350. Ask people after a hurricane about the $10 bags of ice. It’s just a big money grab. And our politicians are in on it.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amIt has nothing to do with socialized medicine!
You my friend or grossly misinformed. Medicare is the reason Health care is so expensive. Insurance has nothing to do with it.
And you, “my very good friend” haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Medicare spends something like 75% of it’s revenue on health care whereas the private health care industry spends less than 50%. Dennis Kucinich did a study that showed that a government run single payer system like Medicare could deliver twice the amount of health care for half the cost of what the private health care industry is charging. And that included raising the amount we pay to doctors and hospitals (something Bush has slashed repeatedly in the last 7 years in the hopes of killing Medicare).
The American College of Physicians even supports single payer health care:
Washington, Dec 7 – The American College of Physicians, representing 124,000 physicians, endorsed a single-payer health care system this week, acknowledging change is necessary to aid a failing health care system.
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/american-college-of-physicians-endorses-single-payer-health-care-system-by-dennis-kucinich/
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:40 am
You my friend (or???) grossly misinformed. Medicare is the reason Health care is so expensive. Insurance has nothing to do with it. The Govt refuses to create networks like the insurance companies! So in order for hospitals to get the money they need they overcharge the govt. And we pay the same price they charge the govt. unless you are part of a network. Next time you are at the Doctor ask him about this!
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Yeah…. right…. turning medicine into a “for-profit” business has nuttin’ ta do wi’t it…
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E2DE143EF932A05754C0A9659C8B63
Aetna Profits Are Up 28% As Health Insurers Prosper
By JOSEPH B. TREASTER
Published: July 31, 2003
Riding a wave of growing prosperity in health insurance, Aetna reported a 28 percent increase in profit in the second quarter, joining three other industry giants that have reported better-than-expected results in the last two weeks.
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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2006/march/medicalloss_ratios_.php
Posted on March 20, 2006
Medical-loss ratios of largest for-profit insurers
Health plans make more, spend less in 2005
By Jonathan G. Bethely
American Medical News
March 6, 2006
If physicians needed any more indication of tightening reimbursement, how about this – not only did profits for the biggest health plans go up last year, but those plans also continued to cut the percentage of revenue they spend on care.
The medical-cost ratio – also called the medical-loss ratio or medical-care ratio – is the key number for health plans in terms of their level of profitability. That ratio, simply, is the percentage of dollars the companies spend on health care.
Whereas 10 years ago many plans had medical-cost ratios in the high 80s or 90s, now the highest percentage among large, publicly traded health insurers is Health Net, at 83.9%. Aetna, which had a medical-cost ratio well into the 90s when CEO John Rowe, MD, took over in 2000, recorded a ratio of 76.9% in 2005, Dr. Rowe’s final full year before his retirement. That was the lowest medical-cost ratio for the nation’s largest publicly traded plans.
Medical-loss ratios for 2005 (Source: Company 10-K, year-end filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission):
76.9% – Aetna
82.3% – Cigna
83.9% – Health Net
83.2% – Humana
78.6% – UnitedHealth Group
80.6% – WellPoint
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2006/03/06/bisd0306.htm
Comment: By Don McCanne, M.D.
Clearly, one-fifth of health insurance premium dollars are not being spent on health care, but are consumed by the insurers. What does not show up in these numbers is the cost of the administrative burden that these insurers place on the health care delivery system. The billing and insurance related functions for physicians and hospitals burn up another 12 percent or so of the premium dollar (Kahn et al, Health Affairs, Nov/Dec 2005). Add these together, and that is about one-third of the premium dollar.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115431323388421950.html?mod=hps_us_pageone
After Streak of Strong Profits, Health Insurers May See Decline
BY VANESSA FUHRMANS
Word Count: 1,940 | Companies Featured in This Article: Aetna, UnitedHealth
Group , WellPoint, Cigna, Health Net
Last year, the top seven U.S. health insurers earned a combined $10 billion — nearly triple their profits of five years earlier. The windfall came as insurers raised their prices faster than underlying health costs.
Now the good times may be rolling to a halt. Health insurance has become so expensive that many smaller employers are dumping insurance altogether. If insurers don’t do something, they may find their business shriveling. Yet if they restrain price increases, or appear to, they get hammered by Wall Street.
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Dang, I love Google…
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:53 am
The media aren’t spending much time or energy on either Hillary’s wild stories or McCain’s flip-flops and “senior moments.”
After all, there’s a preacher out there who once said “God d*mn America!” And everybody knows that what a candidate’s preacher says is FAR more important than what a candidate says.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I guess this is all the work of that damn “Liberal Media” again.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am#29: YOu got it miss hussein molly
March 25th, 2008 at 11:04 am.
TP asks:
“Remind me again: where does all this cred come from?”
Sedona BBQ anyone?
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March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 amHere’s a start to the Treatment Manual of Unusual Democratic Presidential Candidates.
1) If he’s in the lead, offer him the VP slot.
2) Hold him to a higher standard. Interview his preacher, question his ability to pick up the phone at 3AM (Does he hold a Master’s degree, and is he board certified for such a task?), and twist the words of his wife, and twist the comments about his grandmother.
3)Make it seem as if he has something to prove to Republicans and Republican wannabees. He needs plastic-pinned patriotism, at the very least.
4)Remind him that it’s not a big deal he won a state’s primary, because a previous democratic contender 20 years earlier, who happens to be the same race, won the state but didn’t go on to win the nomination.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:06 amMax-1 Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
TP asks:
“Remind me again: where does all this cred come from?”
Yeah, kind of ironic coming from a site that supports Hillary and refuses to report on her shenanigans. TP’s credibility has suffered greatly in my mind. The only reason why I post here is because my comments are posted immediately. I like the Huffington Post, but it is very frustrating to see my comments held for heaven knows how long before being posted. I guess that’s what comes from success, having to moderate what is posted to prevent people like Hannity and Limbaugh pulling things off the site to claim “liberal’s hate”, even though most of the so-called “hate speech” comes from their side pretending to be a liberal.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:12 amMr. Evil Says:
You know what? You are so full of bullshit it’s astounding. Where are all these sick people? I watch BBC news on the internet all the time and I’ve never seen any reports of this. Where do you get your figures? Where are all the people dying because they can’t get into the hospitals? You are quite possibly the most braindead simpleton I’ve ever read here.
In a way this idiot troll is correct. But, it left out the important facts. I know the facts because my sister lives in England. At any time there are people on waiting lists to get into hospitals for elective surgeries and things that don’t need immediate attention. The same goes for doctors. But, if you have anything wrong that needs immediate attention, you get what you need IMMEDIATELY! And that even goes for people who are visiting in that country. I have a friend who got into an automobile accident in England and needed immediate attention. He was immediately admitted to the hospital, treated and released three days later. And, you know what…there was no bill for their services. And it’s a good thing because his private for-profit insurance company refused to pay for his care BECAUSE HE DIDN’T GET PRIOR APPROVAL! It’s kind of hard to get prior approval when you are unconscious. And you know what would happen if my sister was here and got in an automobile accident? England would pay for her care.
People who need immediate medical care in socialized medicine countries don’t have to wait. People who have issues that can wait, wait. And most of them don’t care. They are so grateful that they have an excellent health care system, they are happy to wait to give first priority to those who have greater needs. They like living in a country that thinks that health care is a right and not a privilege.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:18 amthis makes no sense!! you want the Govt that you love so much to take over your healthcare? $2000 for $2,000,000 in coverage that sounds like a complete rip off! All of you are a bunch of leaches! Insurance is not a hand out. Read your damn policies sometime. You just want something for nothing.
Actually, I want what I pay for. My company paid for my insurance for 6 months and during that six months I received no medical benefits other than prescriptions. And you know why? Because I have a “preexisting condition”. Try to find someone over 50 who doesn’t have some kind of “preexisting condition”. The only thing I need for the condition is medication. So, my insurance company made a bundle off me and during that time I had to pay out over $500 directly to the physician. Now I call that a ripoff.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:22 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Ya gotta love this one. Confronted by “real arguments” backed up by “facts”, he pulls the time-tested troll response. He just sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts “La-la-la… I can’t hear you… I can’t hear you… I must be right!”
March 25th, 2008 at 11:23 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Access to health treatment should not come in the form of some scrappy ‘policy’.
And listen, bum, don’t mouth to any of us about “handouts”. Red staters are the king of those.
You mutants are the laziest employees on the face of the earth. You mutants always seek to line your pockets for way more than you’re worth. Your pay is unequal to your measly work.
This is about humanity for the 21st Century.
We’re not here to watch you ride your high horse. We’re not here to watch you post self-infatuated drivel. We’re here to offer solutions to this nation’s most pressing issues.
And that requires a tool you’ll apparently never own: The ability to think.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:30 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
this makes no sense!! you want the Govt that you love so much to take over your healthcare? $2000 for $2,000,000 in coverage that sounds like a complete rip off! All of you are a bunch of leaches! Insurance is not a hand out. Read your damn policies sometime. You just want something for nothing.
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Are you happy now that you’ve managed to take a thread about McCain and the media and turn it into a thread about health care?
All right, I’ll respond to your blather. First, “government” isn’t about to take over health care in this country, nor is anybody asking for that to happen. There is, however, a groundswell of support for our government to take over PAYING for health care — but the actual care would be provided by those providing it now.
Second, the correct spelling is “leeches”.
Third, nobody is claiming that insurance is a handout. Insurance is a money-making venture for the party selling it — whether it’s life, auto, fire, or health insurance. We want to do away with health insurance altogether and focus on health CARE, which should be a basic right.
Fourth, health care for “nothing” is unrealistic. Health care for “reasonable” is doable if we get the for-profit greedheads and the cherry-pickers out of the mix.
Expecting health care to be provided as a basic need is no more outlandish than expecting education, police protection, fire protection, roads and highways, or other services provided by the government. When you lose your health insurance because you are no longer profitable to your insurer, when your employer drops your health care benefits because they can no longer afford them, when you can’t find insurance because you have a pre-existing condition, you may see the light. People who say “it can’t happen to me” often find out it can.
Now, do you have anything to say about the subject of THIS thread?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:34 amYou just want something for nothing.
I heard about a guy who went into financial distress because because his ability to scam others for money backfired. The federal government offered him a ton in welfare. His name was…(trying to recall)…Stearns? I forget his first name.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:36 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:18 am
People who need immediate medical care in socialized medicine countries don’t have to wait. People who have issues that can wait, wait. And most of them don’t care. They are so grateful that they have an excellent health care system, they are happy to wait to give first priority to those who have greater needs. They like living in a country that thinks that health care is a right and not a privilege.
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An excellent point. We hear all these alarming stories about people who need knee replacements having to wait three months to get one. If I needed a knee replacement, I would rather get one in three months than not be able to get one at all because my for-profit insurance provider refuses to pay for it — or because I don’t have insurance and could never afford to pay for it.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:38 am#51 misshusseinmolly Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:34 am
As usual, missmolly, you have hit the nail squarely on the head. I very much admire your ability to get to the heart of the matter in an eloquent and rational way.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:44 amNow that our recycled troll has managed to derail the thread, may I cordially invite one and all to FLAG his trollish ass.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amThanks, and no RSVP is required!
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:23 am
You can Google all the Insurance profits you want but your wrong. socialized medicine is not the answer to our healthcare cost!! You’re just so convinced that everything corporate is all bad that you can’t even began to understand the real problem!
Eliminating profitablity from the healthcare industry is exactly the needed solution. It worked for other vital services: policing, mail delivery, firefighting, etc.
You still haven’t proven yourself besides cementing your fingers in your ears. Get to work.
Just because you say it isn’t true, doesn’t make it so.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amcaredmanI Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Several of us have replied to your irrational, off-topic comments this morning w/ articulated factual rebuttals, which you deliberately ignore while you continue to post gibberish.
Please go home. Clearly you have NOTHING of value to say about ANYTHING.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:48 amTRoS offered supporting evidence through posted links.
caredman [sic]: “It dudn’t matta”
March 25th, 2008 at 11:50 amPoor, blithering GOP lackey/troll, can’t respond to the topic of this thread in a way that’s both positive and logical for McCain.
Anytime trolls try to change the subject, it means even they know, in their pointy little pinheads, they just can’t argue the merits of their party’s latest fiascoes, missteps, screw ups and outright lies.
Hence, why they so desperately try to change the subject.
At the same time, if they’re so stupid as to encourage themselves as rhetorical punching bags with their easily-debunked blather, they truly get what they deserve.
The GOP got destroyed in the 2006 elections, much to its trolls dismay.
The GOP is going to get an even worse ass whipping come Election Day, 2008.
So choke on it troll.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:54 am——————-
Aww man, I missed a ‘Health Insurance’ troll…
Medicare pays out a set amount per service for facilities they typically pay out on the DRG, per diem. Hospitals can charge insurers / Medicare whatever the hell they want, it doesn’t affect their reimbursement.
In any case, without Medicare, most of the Seniors in this country would not be able to buy private insurance. Would you want to assume the risk of the healthcare associated with a 70 year old?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:26 pmMcCain fed the press his weiner in Sedona, and they all thought it was “yummy”.
Oh God! that retard’s not back again is he??
…not for long I can tell you…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI can tell you exactly where this cred comes from, the media which has contributed to attack Obama and defending Hillary Clinton and John McCain at every turn. Why? Because they like most Americans and american companys consist of white males and their women supporters. There is nothing wrong with white males at all, but for hundreds of years they have control American politics and industry. That kind of power is hard to give up and they aren’t going to allow an outsider who happens to be black to easily change it.
The vast majority of the media are white males or white females, who have white brothers, uncles, etc. If Obama made all of the misstatements and mistakes Clinton and McCain have, he’d not only lose, but his political career would be over. The media is attacking Obama about something he never said himself. Look at what the minsters (Rev. Hagee, Rev. Falwell, and others) whose endorsement John McCain asked for have said. Rev. Hagee called Catholicism “A whore religion”, and said “The Pope helped Hilter to kill Jews during WWII”. They ask why Obama didn’t leave his church after these remarks were made. I ask Catholics why they didn’t leave their church after Priest after Priest molested innocent girls and boys for decades? Why they didn’t leave the chuch after it became common knowledge that Archbishops covered up the abuse and moved these molesters from church to church.
Which one is worst, Rev. Wright making stupid extremist remarks or Priest molesting children. “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”, is a saying that all of us were taught as children. So the moral of the story is we are hurt by Rev. Wright, but not by child molesters. How much money did the Catholic church have to spend to pay these children. Rev Wrights words were dead wrong, but no children were physically or sexual hurt by him.
Why is there this double standard. Some of the very same ministers would endorsed McCain have said equally as offensive words, but the white media give him a pass. I’m not making this up, this story asks a question and I’m answering it truthfully. If am not right, then someone please show me that the majority of the media personalities are black and that blacks control the media in this country. So that part of my point is just pointing out the obvious.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pmCaredman….following your post….You are put on a list based your need. If you are in dire straits, there is no waiting PERIOD. Does your media tell you that if there is a delay for someone who needs treatment ASAP, the government pays all your fee’s to get the treatment done outside the Province(state)at the governments expense. That part they don’t tell you. Stop with your propaganda about other counties medical systems especially when the United Nations has the United States listed 35th in the world with respect to health care. In my 44 years in Canada, I’ve never had to pay for any health care and I’ve NEVER been denied or put on a waiting list. That statement includes a 2 month hospital stay, 14yrs as an outpatient, 3 operations, countless doctors visits , hundreds of blood tests, scans etc. TOTAL COST = $0.00 . Who has the best system now!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:07 pmWhile President Bush says, “A government-run health care system is the wrong prescription” (for America) he made sure that Iraq would get one. Article 30, Paragraph 1 of the new Iraqi constitution – -which the United States helped write – - says, “The state guarantees social and health insurance, the basics for a free and honorable life for the individual and the family. . . .”
http://americanhealthcarereform.org/
March 25th, 2008 at 1:43 pmIt’s quite simple. McPander Bear is in the pocket of the telecom industry.
Quid Pro Quo
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pmANS: Corporation Boardrooms.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pmJMOHR Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 am
When people reveal themselves for who they are, believe them!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pmWhy, he’s everything that he’s not!!! It’s a miracle. How can we turn down a person that has such a knack for turning his own weaknesses into strength? He’s almost a superhero with a magical ability. Better to have him on our side, I’d say….
Cheers,
March 25th, 2008 at 10:08 pmWhere do you get your figures? Where are all the people dying because they can’t get into the hospitals?sohbet
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cet You are quite possibly the most braindead simpleton I’ve ever read here.
Here’s what conservatives are all about dumbass. Borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Tax and steal, tax and steal.