Rice Has Let Her ‘Interest’ In Running For VP ‘Be Known Discreetly Within Top GOP Circles’
Rice Has Let Her ‘Interest’ In Running For VP ‘Be Known Discreetly Within Top GOP Circles’
Earlier this week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice attended Grover Norquist’s weekly “powerhouse gathering.” One GOP operative noted that the only reason high-ranking officials go to the right-wing meeting is to “secure” their political futures. At that meeting, Rice never publicly stated whether she was interested in the vice presidential spot.
But Newsmax reports that privately, Rice has indicated to prominent conservatives that she is very interested:
Despite saying she wants to return to Stanford University, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has let it be known in Republican circles that she would consider running for vice president if asked.
One source told Newsmax that she expressed interest in the possibility when Rudy Giuliani was running for president. Another source said she has more recently let her interest be known discreetly within top Republican circles, presumably including John McCain’s camp.
Is Rice actually interested in running for vice president, or is this just a stunt to grab the media’s attention? After all, the media have largely lost interest in Rice’s activities lately. In 2005, an “unprecedented 19 reporters” accompanied Rice on her first overseas trip as Secretary of State. But on her most recent trip to the Middle East, just three wire services and three newspapers joined her. None of the networks even sent a camera crew.
This wouldn’t be the first time that Rice has embarked on a PR campaign to improve her public image. Washington Post reporter Glenn Kessler reported that shortly after Rice became Secretary of State, she directed an aide to “plant a question” asking if she would run for president in order to help “negate American memories of her very direct role” in invading Iraq. The move was intended to give Rice the “aura of someone who might have presidential aspirations” and “make her seem more powerful than she was.”
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March 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pmHuh. The ONLY way she could improve her “public image” in my eyes is to RESIGN immediately.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pmThat’s what McSame really needs - the prestige of a running mate so entwined with the successes of the Bush Administration.
And it wouldn’t be a token appointment at all. No sir.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pmSO McCain also wants no foreign policy…
March 28th, 2008 at 5:20 pmIs he doing that thing where you use your index finger to rub at her palm?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pmObviously, she could corret America’s “birth defect” just as well as Barack Obama. The problem is the world already finds Condi irrelevant. Nothing happens when she shows up. After Cheney appears, war breaks out.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pmRice: (I’m paraphrasing some of this)
No one could imagine panes being slammed into buildings.
The PDB of August, 2001 was only a historical note.
We don’t want the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud.
Time and again, out of her own mouth, is irrefutable evidence that she has NO credibility and should be hanged as a war criminal. That she be considered as VP material is delusional to the nth degree.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pmIf Condi had any shred of decency, she would hang herself, thereby saving us the expense of a war crimes trial.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pmGreat idea . Condi can be the foreign policy guru so McCain can focus on his true strength , the economy, right? Hey, I almost typed that with a straight face.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pmFrom Secretary Rice,
“As Vice President, I will…again…strive to ignore urgent information that could possibly prevent a deadly attack on our country. And should that happen, I will…again…blindly obey the president and help to cover up evidence that will show how truly inept we were…again.”
March 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pmUncle Ho Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Rice: (I’m paraphrasing some of this)
No one could imagine panes being slammed into buildings.
UH,
March 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pmYou never saw my builder! :-)
caption:
(thought balloons)
McCain: “Oh, oh my, we’re holding hands… oh, oh…….”
March 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pmRice: “Let go, let go, you pasty old creep….ewwwwww”
MutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Where did you got to school for your journalism degree?
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Who exactly are you addressing, Reciprocal Roadapple?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pmWalt; I guess I did not.(see your builder)
March 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pmNewsmax is reporting this. Should we even take it seriously?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pmI suppose she thinks that just because she wants people to talk about the possibility of her running, that somehow makes her special. This woman has some real ego issues she needs to resolve.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pmThe goppers are out of their minds if they think for a moment Rice will attract the black voters. The blacks may even take offense at this viewing it as racist… that some view the black population is dumb enough to vote merely on appearance rather than issues.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pmNevar Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
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Isn’t road apple a colloquial term for osage orange?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pmI meant:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pmThe blacks may even take offense at this viewing it as racist… that some view the black population are dumb enough to vote merely on appearance rather than issues
I’m obviously responding to Amanda, the person who wrote this blog entry. She is also the same person who posted the false information regarding McCain and plagiarism earlier. She never contacted the McCain camp, and instead made an assumption based on a few electronic database searches. Now she has destroyed the credibility of this site, and still leaves the incorrect information on the page.
I am curious why we should be believe anything she posts any more considering that she seems incapable of following a few basic journalism rules?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pmHer first name’s not “General”!
March 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pmI am curious why we should be believe anything she posts any more considering that she seems incapable of following a few basic journalism rules?
What makes you think anyone here cares what you believe or what you have to say?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pmI am curious why we should be believe anything she posts any more considering that she seems incapable of following a few basic journalism rules?
Lest we point out how many times Drudge has gotten it wrong. I guess that means that we shouldn’t believe anything Drudge writes on his site because he is incapable of following basic journalism rules.
And then there always our favorite “journalist” Bill Kristol. He’s a master at getting it wrong.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pmI hope she does run. After all, we know how successful the GOP was the LAST time they put up a black candidate against Obama…
March 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm24. I care.
So.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pmBt Mitt you mean that weird stepford dude, correct? Sissy probably can’t even admit to any youthful indescretions. Who would wanna have a beer with him?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pmHmmm, I think I smell a sock puppet…
March 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pmBaggins: If you care about basing your political beliefs on accurate information then you should care as much as I do. If you’re simply here to create a tabloid environment that destroys the credibility of this site outside of the normal progressive circles then I guess you could care less.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm“MutualDisdain Says: yadda ydda yadda blerg”
Dude, the body of work here at TP and by Amanda stands on its own. Yours, OTOH …
March 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm.
As National Security Adviser during the lead up to 9/11 CONdi Rice has demonstrably shown herself incapable of civil service to America and the American people.
PERIOD!
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March 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pmBaggins: Lest we point out how many times Drudge has gotten it wrong. I guess that means that we shouldn’t believe anything Drudge writes on his site because he is incapable of following basic journalism rules.
That is a logical fallacy. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Just because others have failed at the role of journalist doesn’t make this instance valid.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:47 pmUncle Ho Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Rice: (I’m paraphrasing some of this)
No one could imagine panes being slammed into buildings.
The PDB of August, 2001 was only a historical note.
We don’t want the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud.
That she be considered as VP material is delusional to the nth degree.
Uncle Ho,
I was thinking the exact same thing. All the dems would have to do with her on the ticket is make a commercial of her footage of idiotic statements spliced with McInsane’s happy talk about the ease of an Iraq invasion…
Lunacy!
March 28th, 2008 at 5:49 pmwwz: Dude, the body of work here at TP and by Amanda stands on its own. Yours, OTOH …
Considering both stories I have read today by Amanda have failed to contain any essential properties of journalism, I’ll have to assume you are describing a body in decay?
March 28th, 2008 at 5:49 pm“…I’ll have to assume you are describing a body in decay?”
Assume what you’d like, troll breath. You’re one person. TP has been around for years. Don’t like it? Move on. Its one thread attached to one post.
March 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pmwwz: Assume what you’d like, troll breath. You’re one person. TP has been around for years. Don’t like it? Move on. Its one thread attached to one post.
I didn’t realize that a progressive would have such a problem with dissent. Are you really taking the hypocritical stance that it is ok to question the veracity of information from the government, but not ok to question those who post conjecture on websites?
Are you telling me to expect to be banned from using this site simply because I question the credentials of the people who contribute here?
If the information here is valid then it will stand easily against the scrutiny of one outsider. However, if this site is prone to tabloid journalism, as I have observed today, then I doubt half of the information reported here is ever verified with concrete sources.
If this is your only source of information, then it is quite possible that you are being lied to.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:00 pmI always wonder about people who complain about information they’re served on a blog, yet stick around to gather more information.
Maybe they just like to complain…
March 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pmMutualDisdain Says:
It doesn’t seem to bother you when fox misrepresents the facts…….or do you go there and tell them how to do things too.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pmI saw MucousDischarge’s inane post was recommended and I wondered what other dumbfck had showed up to recommend the tripe. Didn’t take long to see a TRS post show up.
You pukes are so predictable.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pmWow, Coidi appears at the alter of King Grover. Rice and McCain what a combination, is this the best the republicans can come with.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pmThat was truly despicable of TP yesterday to post false information and then, when they were notified of their error, to fail to post a correction… oh, wait…
Never mind.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:07 pmMucousalDisdain:
I see, once again, we liberals/progressives are being held to a FAR different standard than the Republicans.
Drudge, Kristol, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ad-freaking-nauseum can get it absolutely wrong every single time with no repercussions. They can report rumours, hearsay, complete bullshit, and even make things up — and that’s somehow permissible - when we here are not allowed to even speculate on a rumour…?
WTF is wrong with you, doublestandard asshat??
March 28th, 2008 at 6:07 pm45 - And, for a soupcon of irony, this rumour comes from a RIGHT WING SOURCE.
Oh, the humanity. *eyeroll*
March 28th, 2008 at 6:09 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
That was truly despicable of TP yesterday to post false information and then, when they were notified of their error, to fail to post a correction… oh, wait…
Never mind.
Yes, I was deeply offended that they admitted their error and corrected it. Just bad journalism. Real journalists would have ignored the error or buried the correction on page B14.
And this is clearly a speculative post, not a Drudge-ian insider gossip post.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:09 pmralph the wonder llama: I always wonder about people who complain about information they’re served on a blog, yet stick around to gather more information.
Maybe they just like to complain
It’s called dissent. Many people who covet the exchange of free and truthful information embrace dissent as a means to verify data.
Fred Says: It doesn’t seem to bother you when fox misrepresents the facts…….or do you go there and tell them how to do things too.
I have had a few letters read on air with Fox and CNN. I generally don’t watch MSNBC, or the networks. Again, you are arguing that two wrongs make a right, which is a fallacy. Just because others fail at journalism, doesn’t excuse the instances of failure here.
nanlichi: I saw MucousDischarge’s inane post was recommended and I wondered what other dumbfck had showed up to recommend the tripe. Didn’t take long to see a TRS post show up.
You do realize that slandering my name, and creating guilt by association isn’t going to win this argument don’t you?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:10 pmOh, what a dream team!
March 28th, 2008 at 6:10 pmMcCain functioning as Bush III, and Rice is VP — with Karl Rove operating from his rat hole in the White House again.
Oh, be still my heart!
/sarcasm off now.
Well, Annie, you have to admit that it’s not fair to ask the Right to live up to the same standards as the Left when it comes to dealing with the Reality-Based Community.
They just haven’t had the practice and besides, reality has a liberal bias.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:10 pmI like it when Righties try to don the mantle of intellectual superiority as Mr. Reciprocal Rancor has here.
It’s like having a lawyer accuse you of moral relativism.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pmOh, now MucousDischarge characterizes its complaining as “dissent” in the grand tradition of the “free exchange of ideas”. interesting how quickly the righties embrace liberal concepts when their nonsense gets exposed.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:12 pmI think this would be a remarkably smart move for the GOOPers, in spite of the naysayers here who think that Rice’s lack of competency would doom her candidacy. We are, after all, talking about the same people that probably voted for Bush in 2004. Competency is not a real issue and they would be subjected to such a plethora of Gosh Wow Aren’t They Wonderful load of crap from the media — “a new direction for the Republicans! the Maverick and the BLACKWOMAN!” — that they’d forget all about what a bunch of useless tools have been running the government for the last seven years.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:12 pmIf two wrongs don’t make a right, then Ms Rice is clearly not a good choice for VP.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pmYou do realize that you have already lost this argument don’t you?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pmgummitch Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Sadly, gumm, I fear you’re right.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pmralph the wonder llama: That was truly despicable of TP yesterday to post false information and then, when they were notified of their error, to fail to post a correction… oh, wait…
1) Amanda failed to follow a basic principle of journalism and contact the person she was writing the story about, just as she did in this piece. This piece is also based on anonymous sources are reads more like hearsay and wishful thinking than anything concrete.
2) Even though there is some sort of apology posted on that page, the false information is still posted with small disclaimers. The piece still reads as if Amanda doesn’t believe McCain’s speech from 1995 is real.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:14 pmBring it on, Condescendingleese.
With McCane at age 78 as his term ends, can you imagine what a disaster it would be for a succession issue, with this completely unqualified, incompetent faux scholar as president?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:14 pmMcCain is taking Amanda’s calls now? Holy patootie!
March 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pmFred Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
You do realize that you have already lost this argument don’t you?
Don’t be too sure, Fred. These guys aren’t always that quick on the uptake.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pmL. Hussein Annie: I see, once again, we liberals/progressives are being held to a FAR different standard than the Republicans.
1) You are assuming that I hold progressives to a different standard than I do conservatives, simply because of my stance on this issue. You are wrong.
2) Arguing that two wrongs make a right is a logical fallacy. Your defense is one used often by two year olds, and your demeanor shows that you are arguing from emotion rather than fact.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:16 pmgummitch: Yes, I was deeply offended that they admitted their error and corrected it. Just bad journalism. Real journalists would have ignored the error or buried the correction on page B14.
A real journalist would not have made such a junior mistake in the first place.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:18 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
A real journalist would not have made such a junior mistake in the first place.
Well well. “Real journalists” are perfect?
And, it may have escaped your notice but THIS IS A BLOG.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:21 pmWe’re so fortunate to have a diligent fact-checker poring over this website. Too bad Drudge, Footballs, et al don’t enjoy that privilege.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:21 pmralph the wonder llama: Oh, now MucousDischarge characterizes its complaining as “dissent” in the grand tradition of the “free exchange of ideas”. interesting how quickly the righties embrace liberal concepts when their nonsense gets exposed.
If you believe dissent is a component of humanity, like most progressives do, then why would you want it to only be selectively practiced? Why is it only your right to question?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:23 pmA real Jouralism Professor would be lecturing, and grading his students papers, rather than attempting some kind of faux-highbrow snark attack on a blog.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:23 pmI see four posts by Amanda from today. MD has claimed that her journalism is clearly faulty, based on all of her work. Perhaps MD would like to point out the errors in the other three stories?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:24 pmM<ucousDischarge argues strenuously that “two wrongs don’t make a right”, claiming it as a “logical fallacy”. But it also argues that, since a mistake was made yesterday (and corrected promptly), then we cannot believe this story, on a different day, and a different subject, from different sources. This is also a logical fallacy
MucousDischarge has some ’splainin’ to do. Or should I say, some spinnin’ to do?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pmYeah, come on, CondiLIAR.
You and McBombBomb will be welcomed with flowers and candy as LIBERATORS…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
March 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
MucousDischarge has some ’splainin’ to do. Or should I say, some spinnin’ to do?
With, of course, the appropriate air of arrogance and condescension that has made MD such a boon on this thread (and in whatever previous threads under whatever previous logins this critter has offered in the past).
March 28th, 2008 at 6:27 pmI have a job she can run for: Queen of Traitors.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:27 pmgummitch: And, it may have escaped your notice but THIS IS A BLOG.
This is a news source like many other forms of media. Many people like yourself garner new information from these pages.
tombaker: We’re so fortunate to have a diligent fact-checker poring over this website. Too bad Drudge, Footballs, et al don’t enjoy that privilege.
It seems apparent to me, based on your response, that you serve the same function on those sites that you listed. Otherwise, how would you be aware of their shortcomings?
You can’t imagine how effective this site would be if it based its information on facts instead of conjecture. If the progressive ideology is the true defender of civil liberties, then its first goal should be to present accurate information for its readers to digest.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:27 pmMutualDisdain Says:
MucousDischarge makes further erroneous assumptions about my beliefs. MucousDischarge likes to talk big but can’t back it up. A poster truly interested in the value of dissent would not insult others ignorantly, yet MD presumes that I believe it’s only my right to question. This is laughable and can be proven so with a cursory glance through the archives of TP, an exercise that MD clearly has neglected to undergo prior to baselessly accusing me of wanting dissent to be “selectively practiced”.
MD should have prepped a little better before taking the high road. It seems a little steep for its little troll feet.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:29 pmralph the wonder llama: M<ucousDischarge argues strenuously that “two wrongs don’t make a right”, claiming it as a “logical fallacy”. But it also argues that, since a mistake was made yesterday (and corrected promptly), then we cannot believe this story, on a different day, and a different subject, from different sources. This is also a logical fallacy
The source is the same as the McCain story and that source’s name is Amanda. All that you know about this story and the other comes from her digital fingers.
The fact that she failed to check her facts yesterday, and then failed to remove false information once it was exposed should give pause to anyone who reads her work.
This story claims that anonymous sources have said Condi Rice is seeking the office of VP. It then attempts to guess Miss Rice’s motivations and thoughts without ever posing to the question to her.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pmI have no idea what the Righty chattering class is up to, nor any genuine interest in finding out. I do know that Righty blogs are a primary source of deliberate misinformation that leaks into the mainstream media, and judging from their regular contributors who so frequently pop by here to leave their mental droppings I can only infer they are cesspools of toxic, retrograde ideology popular amongst violently reactionary and historically obsolete political Luddites.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pmRice: “I want to be Veep”
March 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pmCheney: “So?”
“MutualDisdain Says: ziff….clam… glug…(gathers hay)… strawmanstrawmanstrawman …. hurumph”
Bugger off.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pmThanks for the High-Horse Lecturette though - we’re all feeling very much embarrassed around here right now, I can assure you.
Mission accomplished Sherriff - please do toddle off to HuffPo, or Kos, or anywhere else you think your superiority complex would benefit mankind.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:35 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
gummitch: And, it may have escaped your notice but THIS IS A BLOG.
This is a news source like many other forms of media. Many people like yourself garner new information from these pages.
It’s a blog. Just because you fail to see the distinction doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. And you’ve also failed to prove a lack of journalistic integrity, although you tried desperately to dismiss the very real fact that Amanda corrected the error in a previous post and left the article up with the corrections as an admission of error, rather than trying to rewrite history by taking it down.
And your condescension does you no good.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:35 pmgummitch: I see four posts by Amanda from today. MD has claimed that her journalism is clearly faulty, based on all of her work. Perhaps MD would like to point out the errors in the other three stories?
Rice Has Let Her ‘Interest’ In Running For VP ‘Be Known Discreetly Within Top GOP Circles’
This story quotes anonymous sources and claims to know Condi Rice’s motivations without ever asking her to contribute to the story.
White House aide resigns over misuse of grant money.
This story is as accurate as the original it was copied and pasted from.
Five former secretaries of State call for Gitmo closure.
This story is as accurate as the original it was copied and pasted from.
Nationals won’t let Lo Duca catch Bush’s first pitch.
This story is as accurate as the original it was copied and pasted from.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:37 pmSo MD, your point is that Think Progress is about as accurate and reliable as a White House press conference, or the testimony of a Bush-appointed Attorney General?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:39 pmOr is it only just as accurate and reliable as the last 7 State of the Union Addresses?
March 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pmY’know, it’s actually been beneficial to have MucousDischarge stop by to relieve gas problem here.
The trolls have been so damn lowbrow lately that I forgot that trolls can actually pretend to be smart. Of course, they still deal in the same spin, selective memory and straw men that the clownish trolls do, but they make more of an effort to dress it up. For all the good it does them.
Maybe that’s why they stopped trying to sound intelligent — it was just too much effort, and they could accomplish the same thing with gibberish and ALL CAPS.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:43 pmralph the wonder llama: MD presumes that I believe it’s only my right to question.
You are correct. I made that assumption based on the posts of others and confused what you had written with words written by someone else. I apologize.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:43 pmdbadass…Isn’t road apple a colloquial term for osage orange?
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In a relatively small neighborhood, with respect to it’s broader usage describing horse sh!t.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:46 pmtombaker: I have no idea what the Righty chattering class is up to, nor any genuine interest in finding out. I do know that Righty blogs are a primary source of deliberate misinformation that leaks into the mainstream media, and judging from their regular contributors who so frequently pop by here to leave their mental droppings I can only infer they are cesspools of toxic, retrograde ideology popular amongst violently reactionary and historically obsolete political Luddites.
You are making assumptions based on second-hand knowledge and hearsay. I know this site posts misinformation because I have actually read it. You are giving evidence that you cannot substantiate.
Thanks for the High-Horse Lecturette though - we’re all feeling very much embarrassed around here right now, I can assure you.
This isn’t a high-horsed lecture. I am no better than any of you, but I do feel inclined to try to change this place for the better. I tend to cling to many progressive ideals and hate to see sites that diminish such notions. Tabloid journalism like this serves to reinforce partisan beliefs while turning off others who might have otherwise been persuaded to the cause.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:49 pmboy, how would that sit with all the hillary hating racists out there???
March 28th, 2008 at 6:51 pmralph the wonder llama: The trolls have been so damn lowbrow lately that I forgot that trolls can actually pretend to be smart. Of course, they still deal in the same spin, selective memory and straw men that the clownish trolls do, but they make more of an effort to dress it up. For all the good it does them.
It might help your argument if you were to actually show where I have used a straw man, or selective memory. Otherwise, you’re engaging in empty rhetoric and unfounded ridicule simply because you disagree with me.
Maybe that’s why they stopped trying to sound intelligent — it was just too much effort, and they could accomplish the same thing with gibberish and ALL CAPS.
As a hardened partisan, you might be deaf to my arguments, but for ever 3 of you there are ten silent people accessing this information and discerning the truth of it. Name-calling will most likely feed the peanut gallery, but it will not win your argument.
If I even cause one person to question the next article posted by Amanda or anyone else on this site then some form of justice has been served.
Propping up your arguments with ‘appeal to ridicule’ is transparent and useless by design.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:56 pmAddress your concerns in an email to the management then.
This space is to comment on the topic at hand.
If you don’t have anything to contribute, directly, to the idea of Ms Rice’s fitness as VP candidate, kindly look elsewhere for an outlet.
Repeated off-topic postings are a violation of the Terms of Use here, and if you cannot voluntarily refrain, we will have no choice but to flag your posts.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pmAlthough it shouldn’t matter, it would be nice to see an African American on the ticket for the Republican party.
She’s smart, young, knowledgeable in foreign affairs (in her capacity as Sec of State).
Practically, it would seem that McCain could use someone with some business credentials. I’m not sure if he would do it, but Romney might better fill that role (and he’s more conservative than McCain, to appeal to the right wing).
March 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
This isn’t a high-horsed lecture. I am no better than any of you, but I do feel inclined to try to change this place for the better. I tend to cling to many progressive ideals and hate to see sites that diminish such notions. Tabloid journalism like this serves to reinforce partisan beliefs while turning off others who might have otherwise been persuaded to the cause.
Thanks for your appearance of concern and humility. Unfortunately, as your opinion of TP’s journalistic credibility was set in stone by a single erroneous report, so has your reputation here been established by your high-handed insults and baseless slurs. TP’s correction made not a whit of difference to you, and I’ve decided that your apology should have a similar lack of impact.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:01 pmgummitch: It’s a blog. Just because you fail to see the distinction doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
You would have us believe that no one uses this site as a news source?
And you’ve also failed to prove a lack of journalistic integrity, although you tried desperately to dismiss the very real fact that Amanda corrected the error in a previous post and left the article up with the corrections as an admission of error, rather than trying to rewrite history by taking it down.
The lack of integrity appeared when Amanda failed to contact McCain prior to writing a piece that accused him of plagiarism. If she had simply contacted the McCain camp she would have been directed to the original speech and the misinforming story would never have been posted.
Instead of retracting the invalid story, Amanda posted a small disclaimer that made the dubious claim that the original McCain speech had not appeared in Lexis-Nexis searches. If she had integrity, the false allegations would no longer exist on this site, yet she still leaves a video and Ziemer comparison posted.
And your condescension does you no good.
I apologize. I don’t mean to be condescending. I am sure many if not all of you are more intelligent than I am. That does not mean you are correct in this situation. Most likely many of you are blinded by your own partisan beliefs and loyalty to this site.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:03 pmrtwl #91
Now that’s just not fair. How dare you hold md to the same standard md holds others to. Come on now — you should know better than that. For shame.
On topic: It’d be great if rice runs as the vp. It would make the case that mcsame is running for bush’s 3rd term.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pmbackup Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Although it shouldn’t matter, it would be nice to see an African American on the ticket for the Republican party.
She’s smart, young, knowledgeable in foreign affairs (in her capacity as Sec of State).
She’s smart? Not from what I’ve seen of her public speaking or her performance as a member of the Bush administration.
Knowledgeable in foreign affairs? She’s been battered by them quite a bit, I’ll give her that. But I don’t think anyone in the Bush administration can credibly claim to be “knowledgeable in foreign affairs” at this point. Anyone who fit that description was pushed out either before the invasion of Iraq, or squeezed out subsequently.
But then, I don’t consider Bill Kristol or Michael O’Hanlon very knowledgeable on foreign affairs, either, so what do I know?
March 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Instead of retracting the invalid story, Amanda posted a small disclaimer that made the dubious claim that the original McCain speech had not appeared in Lexis-Nexis searches. If she had integrity, the false allegations would no longer exist on this site, yet she still leaves a video and Ziemer comparison posted.
I see now. MD would have TP behave as a righty blog, where evidence of an error is simply disappeared. “Nothing to see here, folks, move along.”
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pmtombaker: Address your concerns in an email to the management then.
Dissent should be visible and available to all readers here.
This space is to comment on the topic at hand.
I did, I posted how this story failed to follow journalistic guidelines just as the McCain story did earlier. The McCain story was supporting evidence for my claims here, as it will continue to be any time Amanda fails to show integrity.
Repeated off-topic postings are a violation of the Terms of Use here, and if you cannot voluntarily refrain, we will have no choice but to flag your posts.
The topics are related. The McCain story addresses the veracity of the Condi story. This story is written in such a way that much of the information presented here cannot be trusted. Readers should be informed of that fact.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pmBut what about her husband?!?!? Do we get a two-fer if she gets elected Veep, with her husband as both ex-preznit and Second Gentleman?
Cheers,
March 28th, 2008 at 7:08 pm“No one could have imagined” her lust for further screwing up the world worse than any oil tankers named after her ever could….
Cheers,
March 28th, 2008 at 7:09 pmMutual Disdain: “Propping up your arguments with ‘appeal to ridicule’ is transparent and useless by design.”
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I’ll have to disagree with you on the useless point. It serves the purpose of identifying targets for a little comic relief, which is mostly what this is all about.
It’s political theater on the flat screen.
All of us realize the slant of this weblog, and the issues it refuses to address, and the ones it focus’s on.
It’s just information, taken with a grain of salt.
If you take yourself so seriously as to think you can change this site for your concept of better, you’re welcome to try. Don’t mind us if we throw your road apples back at you.
You sure sound an awful lot like one of “Daryll’s” parodies… are you in the cubicle next to him?
March 28th, 2008 at 7:10 pmBecause you have abused your rights. We are not the ones who have screwed up everything for 8000 miles in any direction.
We were the ones that were right about the war.
We are the ones who are right about torture.
We are the ones who are right about gay rights
We are the ones who are right about bigotry.
It seems you are on the wrong side of just about every issue that matters and yet you want to remain petulant with us.
We have addressed your questions now if you don’t mind……please do your bush apologist routine for us.
Don’t try to sell the fact that you have some “progressive ideas” that will lead me to believe that you have some “black friends” or “homosexual friends”.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:10 pmSuckin’ c*ck is always better with the right shoes.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:11 pmralph the wonder llama: Thanks for your appearance of concern and humility. Unfortunately, as your opinion of TP’s journalistic credibility was set in stone by a single erroneous report, so has your reputation here been established by your high-handed insults and baseless slurs. TP’s correction made not a whit of difference to you, and I’ve decided that your apology should have a similar lack of impact.
My opinion of Amanda’s journalistic ability was set in motion this second story that contained many of the same flaws as the McCain story yesterday.
TP’s disclaimer did not remove the incorrect information. Instead, it fanned a conspiracy that McCain somehow submitted the 1995 speech to the web after the reporter had searched for it. Even if it had been, that is superfluous to the fact that Amanda never bothered to actual ask McCain his side of the story.
I see now. MD would have TP behave as a righty blog, where evidence of an error is simply disappeared. “Nothing to see here, folks, move along.”
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
No, the incorrect information should have been removed with a statement declaring why it had been removed. Keeping the false information visible serves to reinforce it, especially when Amanda claims a conspiracy theory about the 1995 speech not being on McCain’s site during her research.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:13 pmEveryone has to understand that md is being completely consistent here. Anytime anyone is shown to be wrong one time, even if they admit being wrong, they are forever suspect in the eyes of md. That’s why md no longer believes:
bush
mccain
cheney
rice
o’reilly
limbaugh
hannity
fox news
drudge
hume
perino
mcclellan
fleicher
the rnc
lgf
redstate
nro
the corner
carlson
j goldberg
malkin
coulter
and the list goes on….
March 28th, 2008 at 7:15 pmNevar: All of us realize the slant of this weblog, and the issues it refuses to address, and the ones it focus’s on. It’s just information, taken with a grain of salt.
I am glad you are able to see that, but what about the unsuspecting reader who is linked to just one story? What if that reader has no context by which to judge the veracity of a McCain plagiarism charge?
If you take yourself so seriously as to think you can change this site for your concept of better, you’re welcome to try. Don’t mind us if we throw your road apples back at you.
Point taken. I expected bumps in the road. I just didn’t realize some of those bumps would turn out to be pimples.
You sure sound an awful lot like one of “Daryll’s” parodies… are you in the cubicle next to him?
Obviously anything I say here will only serve as fuel for some conspiracy. I am only one name here and I will continue to be just one name.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:17 pmFunny how the GOP hates college professors and Hollywood types, except the ones that belong to the GOP!!! ROTFL, The hypocrisy of the GOP is way funny!
March 28th, 2008 at 7:18 pmThanks for reminding me Captain, of Ms Rice’s stellar qualifications. You forgot to point out her outstanding achievements as National Security Advisor, though.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:19 pmWhat would a rice vice presidency look like?
q: madam vice president, could you tell us about your roll in the runup to the invasion of Iraq?
a: no comment.
q: could you tell us about your roll in the nsa before 9/11
a: no comment. this press conference is over.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:20 pmFred: Because you have abused your rights. We are not the ones who have screwed up everything for 8000 miles in any direction.
You are accusing me of being a bigot because I disagree with how the journalism is carried out here? Using an association fallacy will also not win any arguments. I am my own person, and for the record, a registered Democrat in the state of PA. I have the ability to make a major impact in this presidential primary. You might want to be bit nicer to me and stop the name calling.
Don’t try to sell the fact that you have some “progressive ideas” that will lead me to believe that you have some “black friends” or “homosexual friends”.
If I am fighting for the right to dissent, and for information to be presented in an accurate manner, am I not fighting for progressive ideals?
March 28th, 2008 at 7:21 pm96 - that’s a non-response, and it will be considered grounds to begin flagging your every post effective immediately.
good day to you, sir.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:21 pmA incompetent GOP’er running for VP, do tell. Ms. Rice (Bush’s Girl Friend) has messed up enough, we don’t need more destruction than we have now….er wait, what am I talking about, it’s a repuke, they are all destructive.
Bush/Cheney/Rice
March 28th, 2008 at 7:22 pmHague Trials ‘09
You see, Mr. Disdain, my intolerance for trolling is as acute as yours is for “journalistic accuracy”, whatever that is supposed to mean.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pmtombaker: 96 - that’s a non-response, and it will be considered grounds to begin flagging your every post effective immediately.
My response is valid. My posts regard the veracity of this story, and I am giving valid reasons to question it. The McCain story and this story show that Amanda consistently reports without getting comment from those she is reporting on. In this situation, the story claims anonymous sources that cannot be verified, and makes assumptions about Condi’s motivations without asking her opinion.
good day to you, sir.
I will be leaving this conversation soon as well. Don’t feel like you lose the debate just because you have a life on a Friday night. No one expects you to waste another five minutes here debating journalism.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pmIf you want to change how TP does things and you are so smart then why are we hearing you whine. Tell someone that cares.
You are not your own person, nothing you have said here is new…..we have heard it before….therefore, so have you.
You, a democrat, ha….ha…and ha.
You, influence….ha….ha…and ha.
I never called you any names. just more bs from you and you seem to have plenty.
You are fighting dissent is what you mean.
No, you are trying to dictate…..you know, tell everyone else they are wrong……and that you are the only one that is right.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:35 pmI’d be quite the fool indeed if I thought there were anything to be “won” or “lost” in the comment section of a website.
Please.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pmtombaker Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I’d be quite the fool indeed if I thought there were anything to be “won” or “lost” in the comment section of a website.
Please.
You don’t see the judges’ ratings?
March 28th, 2008 at 7:55 pmIt’s all a sham. Any candidate’s personal life would be scrutinized. I’ve heard casual comments from people at Stanford say it was common knowledge that she was gay. That may mean nothing, but it invites too many of the wrong questions.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:58 pmdamnit, gum! whydja hafta go and say that!?
did they say Mr. Repuditation beat me!???
aw hell….now my friday night’s toast
March 28th, 2008 at 8:24 pmGreat — the GOP can run McWar and RiceWar. A winning team.
March 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pmThink fast: What is the greatest accomplishment of Ms Rice?
With the exception of Bush and Cheney, Rice is the poster child of failure of the Bush administration, perhaps more than Rumsfeld or Brownie. The mere idea that Rice would qualify as a VP is a grand leap of imagination.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I’m obviously responding to Amanda, the person who wrote this blog entry. She is also the same person who posted the false information regarding McCain and plagiarism earlier. She never contacted the McCain camp, and instead made an assumption based on a few electronic database searches. Now she has destroyed the credibility of this site, and still leaves the incorrect information on the page.
I am curious why we should be believe anything she posts any more considering that she seems incapable of following a few basic journalism rules?
Since in your mind “the credibility of this site” is “destroyed”, can we look forward to your not posting here again. Huh, huh, pretty please.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:37 pmMutual Disdain: “Obviously anything I say here will only serve as fuel for some conspiracy. I am only one name here and I will continue to be just one name.”
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LOL
March 28th, 2008 at 9:48 pmUntil, of course, you change it for another.
Your cadence and structure is all to familiar.
LOL
They knew [this includes for sure Rice], but did nothing [9/11]:
March 28th, 2008 at 9:54 pmhttp://www.smh.com.au/ news/ world/ they-knew-but-did-nothing/ 2008/ 03/ 07/ 1204780065676.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
This is a horrifying thought to ponder. McBush will have a lot more to answer for if he chooses her for Veep, and so will she. Things could get VERY interesting.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:28 pmMutualDisdain Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 6:16 pm …
” 2) Arguing that two wrongs make a right is a logical fallacy. Your defense is one used often by two year olds,…”
Tell that to the right-wing trolls who erroniously shouted “Clinton did it!” every time this administration screwed the Constitution.
“…and your demeanor shows that you are arguing from emotion rather than fact.”
Wow, you can see us?!
March 29th, 2008 at 12:39 amI think it would be great if McCain chose someone as incompetent as Condoleezza Rice is.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:57 amTheToonGuy Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I hope she does run. After all, we know how successful the GOP was the LAST time they put up a black candidate against Obama…
Well, in all fairness, the fact that the GOP had to recruit from OUT OF STATE to find someone willing to run against Obama might have had a bit more to do with it than just Keyes’ being a “black candidate”. (It is amazing that the Illinois GOP actually did that after national GOP fits over Hillary’s “carpetbagging” and then failed to grasp the difference between Hillary’s Senate run and Keyes’. The main thing was that Hillary actually ran for the Democratic nomination whereas Keyes was named by Illinois GOP officials without voter input.)
March 29th, 2008 at 3:32 amMutualDisdain. This person really gets around. Its almost like he/she had nothing better to do.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:48 amCan someone give me a list of Condi’s accomplishments as Sec. of State (sticking head fully up Bush’s ass and ruining US reputation abroad don’t count).
March 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm{crickets}
March 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm