Lieberman Falsely Claims McCain Doesn’t Support Privatization Of Social Security
Lieberman Falsely Claims McCain Doesn’t Support Privatization Of Social Security
On ABC’s This Week today, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) falsely claimed that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “is not for the private accounts to take the place of social security.” “He’s for what Bill Clinton used to call Social Security plus,” said Lieberman.
Lieberman didn’t disagree, however, when host George Stephanopoulos pointed out that McCain had “disputed that in the Wall Street Journal” recently. Instead, he brushed the contradiction aside and changed the subject.
Watch it:
As Stephanopoulos noted, McCain has abandoned his initial Social Security plan, which called for “supplementing the current Social Security system with personal accounts,” in order to embrace President Bush’s failed effort to replace the system with private accounts. “I believe that private savings accounts are a part of” Social Security reform “along the lines that President Bush proposed,” McCain told the Wall Street Journal earlier this month.
Asked about the contradiction between his website and his own statements, McCain said he would “correct any policy paper that I’ve put out.” As of today, however, his website still hasn’t been changed to reflect his embrace of Bush:
In 2005, Lieberman called the idea of creating private accounts “a very risky thing to do.” But now, he appears willing to take that risk in order to help John McCain keep an indefinite U.S. military presence in Iraq.
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“Privatizing” (what I call PROFITIZING) Social Security is an oxymoron.
There will be no more Social Security if it is “privatized.”
March 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pmLIEberman lies all the time. Remember he promised Connecticut he wanted the war over as soon as possible.
March 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pmLiberals never falsely claim anything. The entire conservative platform is about 100% lying about everything - so they can get poor white voters to vote against their interests and enable the GOP rape the treasury and enrich the wealthy.
Period.
March 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pmAmericans have already voiced thier opinion on tampering with Social Security. The best thing the republicans can do to help the democrats is keep talking like this……
March 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pmJust leave social security alone. The ideological discord around it fails to change the basic fact that it is a good program for seniors and the disabled. What elitist politicians should know is that down at the level of the average citizen, social security is a lifesaver. The government acts as if the money they get belongs to them. The money, to a great extent, for the program and the finances of the government came from those who need the social security plan. For those who are indigent, the program can provide some help and dignity. Now, these are basic things that I think the religious would agree are things that Jesus would do.
March 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pmIn 2005, Lieberman called the idea of creating private accounts “a very risky thing to do.” But now, he appears willing to take that risk in order to help John McCain keep an indefinite U.S. military presence in Iraq.
No, everything Lieberman is doing these days is an attempt to increase his bona fide with the Republicans. He realizes that he will have no chance being re-elected as an Independent or a Democrat, so I believe he is preparing to actually do what he did in spirit a long time ago, become a Republican.
March 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm>Liberals never falsely claim anything.
almost never, at least..
March 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pmi heard LIEberman tell plenty of “falsities” this morning…
and i heard george let ‘em slide…
(”falsities” … that word cracks me up…)
March 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pmNeither President Bush nor Senator McCain has proposed anything to “take the place of” Social Security. Why would this website lie so blatantly? Do they believe their usual reader is an idiot?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pmStopThePropaganda,
March 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pmWhere have you been the past 7 years 2 months and ten days?
The lying goes on and on and on. joe LIEberman is well named. He is truly a neocon in DINO clothes.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm#9. That is exactly what private accounts are proposed by the right wing think tanks and their lemmings. They are supposed to take the place of Social Security. “Reforming” Social Security with private accounts means nothing less than destroying the most successful government anti-poverty program ever. Anyone who wants to see this can…and the opposite.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pmNeither President Bush nor Senator McCain has proposed anything to “take the place of” Social Security.
Baloney. Fropm the White House website:
Personal accounts would be entirely voluntary.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pmThe money would go into a conservative mix of bond and stock funds that would have the opportunity to earn a higher rate of return than anything the current system could provide.
A young person who earns an average of $35,000 a year over his or her career would have nearly a quarter million dollars saved in his or her own account upon retirement.
That savings would provide a nest egg to supplement that worker’s traditional Social Security check, or to pass on to his or her children.
Best of all, it would replace the empty promises of the current system with real assets of ownership.
Walt,
I’ve been in America, listening to fascistic propagandists like Think Progress demean their country and lie about the president. Where have you been?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:24 pmbarfly,
“Supplement” does not mean “take the place of”. What are you, illiterate?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pmThat’s “replace,” not “augment.”
March 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pmOr does “replace” have a different meaning in wingnutworld?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pmStopThePropaganda,
March 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pmI have been here as well, the only difference is that I read the newspapers and follow CSPAN.
“Supplement” does not mean “take the place of”. What are you, illiterate?
Best of all, it would replace the empty promises of the current system with real assets of ownership.
Doesn’t “replace” mean the same as “take the place of?”
Who’s the illiterate, again?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:29 pmIt doesn’t say “replace Social Security.”
March 30th, 2008 at 1:30 pmIt doesn’t say “replace Social Security.”
it would replace the empty promises of the current system with real assets of ownership.
And what is the current system?
I think it’s called Social Security, but I could be wrong - on wingnutworld.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pmThe object of the verb “replace” is “promises”, not “Social Security.”
In any event, that’s a press release, not a policy proposal. Which sub-par government school failed at properly educating poor barfly there?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pmLooks STP, the Bushies want to carve private accounts out of the current system, not augment it with additional funds. McCain’s previous rhetoric has been to set up private accounts outside of SSI, not by carving out a piece, and apportioning it for investment.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pmThe object of the verb “replace” is “promises”, not “Social Security.”
Now your just playing semantic games to make a non-existent point.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:38 pm“Looks [sic] STP, the Bushies [sic] want to carve private accounts out of the current system…”
In other words, you were not telling the truth, and Think Progress was not telling the truth, when you, and they, said the President and McCain want private accounts “to take the place of” Social Security.”
Thanks for admitting your untruthfulness. Perhaps Think Progress will issue a correction as well.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pmWhich sub-par government school failed at properly educating poor barfly there?
I have a better question, what expensive private Ivey league school gave Dubya a passing grade?
And where did Rove get his degree?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:42 pmIf you privatise Social Security it will suck the money out of peoples hands faster than Halliburton can suck up no bid contracts.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:43 pmLetting people keep their own money sucks it out of their hands??? That makes no sense at all.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pmMcCain, as usual, flips and flops so much I dont think anyone, even Lieberman, knows where he stands.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pmIn other words, you were not telling the truth, and Think Progress was not telling the truth, when you, and they, said the President and McCain want private accounts “to take the place of” Social Security.”
And predictably, the half-truths follow the semantic sillyness. What Bush wants, as I just said, is to use part of current social security benefits, thus changing the current way SSI is operated. To assert that “replace” means to replace the entire system, is a half-truth, at best, and blatant propaganda at worst. I thought you were supposed to be stopping the propaganda, not spreading it.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Walt,
I’ve been in America, listening to fascistic propagandists like Think Progress demean their country and lie about the president. Where have you been?
Oy. Yet another wingnut who doesn’t know the definition of “fascist”.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pmLetting people keep their own money sucks it out of their hands??? That makes no sense at all. -STP
Sure it does. Think about it.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
The object of the verb “replace” is “promises”, not “Social
Which sub-par government school failed at properly educating poor barfly there?
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March 30th, 2008 at 1:47 pmWas it one of the many crippled by the idiotic NCLB legislation?
Even though Haliburton was privatised it still sucks your tas dollars doesn’t it?
Why would privatising SS be any different? Because people have a piece of paper that says they have X amount in an account on some hard drive?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pmtas=tax
March 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pmUpon further review, I shouldn’t have judged “StopThePropaganda” so harshly on its misunderstanding of “fascist” alone.
It’s clear that it has trouble with many functions of written language.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pmRalph clearly doesn’t know the definition of fascism, which is a form of socialism.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pmTry comparing it to the promise of owning your own home made by private companies. Sub-prime corruption……corruption being the key word.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThat Halliburton fixation is a form of mental illness, related to BDS.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:51 pmTell, you what, send me back ALL the money I have ever put into social security for the last, oh, 30+ years aqnd THEN I will have my money in my hands.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:51 pmLoaning someone money because they lied on their loan application is not corruption on the part of the lender.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Ralph clearly doesn’t know the definition of fascism, which is a form of socialism.
That’s about the funniest unintentional laugh I’ve gotten in months on this board.
Good one!
(”Fascism a form of socialism”… hee hee hee)
March 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Oy. Yet another wingnut who doesn’t know the definition of “fascist”.
It’s in the new kool aid formula….you know how they like to revise history and facts.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pmThat Halliburton fixation is a form of mental illness, related to BDS. -STP
Thats your educated answer? An opinion that dwells in that glob of pink jelly floating around in that skull of yours?
Sure, I am angry that Halliburton has served tainted water and bad food to our troops, but BDS? Thats silly.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWell, I think it would be obvious to any casual reader who is attempting to clarify, and who is trying to muddle, in this debate. Since STP has been able to mount any credible defense of his attacks on TP, it’s safe to assume he’s a rookie, still learning his chops, at online debate, so I think we should cut the little one some slack, and let him swim home, sadder but wiser.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:54 pmOops, I need a new keyboard. That should be “hasn’t.”
Apologies to the crew.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pmLoaning someone money because they lied on their loan application is not corruption on the part of the lender. -STP
It is when the lender LIED on the application sheet so he could collect fees etc. Please read the Zippy cheat sheet.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pmcalculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-on-chase-and-zippy-tricks.html
Then why is everyone including bush pushing for new regulations to prevent this type of corruption from happening again?
March 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pmThink Progress exists to muddle.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pmThink Progress exists to muddle. -STP
Thats your opinion, and your welcome to it. So, you should really say “I think TP exists to muddle”.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:58 pmSwim away, little guppie, before you get used as bait.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pmbarfly Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
it’s safe to assume he’s a rookie, still learning his chops, at online debate, so I think we should cut the little one some slack, and let him swim home, sadder but wiser.
You’re very generous, barfly. You may be right, that STP is a newbie who thought he was better prepared than he actually was (not an uncommon phenomenon among wingnuts these days). If that were the case, he could certainly benefit from some of the many, many links to definitions of fascism. for instance, that have been posted here recently.
But I somehow suspect that this guest is not really interested in conventional uses of language.
March 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pmMcCain knows little about the economy and Social Security isnt expected to have problems for some thirty years. McCain and the fiscally reckless GOP is the last people I want working on Social Security. Period.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pmok… nothin’ to learn here…
March 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pmFascism - Where corporations run the government.
Socialism - Where the government runs corporations.
See - no difference!
March 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pmSo STP, lets talk about the pundit media propaganda that helped foment the quagmire in Iraq. Why are you not railing against the upward failing punditry that has been wrong on many, many points?
March 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Think Progress exists to muddle.
Thanks, A mojito would be nice
March 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pmRalph, it was obvious by the way he started throwing rhetorical elbows as soon as he got in the door. But his Chi is weak, and easily defeated. But one must use grandmotherly kindness, not to permanently injure his fledgling spirit, for in the coming years, we will need such fodder, when we liberals decide to wage a war “to save the world…”
March 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pmFascism - Where the government runs corporations.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pmSocialism - Where the government runs corporations.
barfly, you see the bigger picture. I bow to your superior vision.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm“Swim away, little guppie, before you get used as bait.”
This is the kind of deep argument people expect from the nutroots.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pmWhat? I guess you havent listened to Nicholas Rockefeller STP, he says that Capitalism is a form of socialism.
The latest bailouts for the pseudo free-market banking system clearly show that to be the case.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pmThis is the kind of deep argument people expect from the nutroots.
Now it’s time for mud pie flinging. I’m not cleaning this mess up.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:10 pmStopThePropaganda Says
He’s not trying and not answering any questions. Looks to me like the TP Watchsite would have sent better trolls now that TP is being quoted by the main stream media.
Maybe MSM will quote his ignorance about facism/socialism.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:12 pmIMHO, we’re getting an example of the heart of what is wrong with American democracy. First, we do not have a clear position statement by the candidate. Second, we do not have any significant debate where the candidate and their spokespeople defend that position. Third, we do not have the press or the public challenging the pros and cons of each position.
We have vague positions that change depending on the audience and no one critically examining whether history has shown whether a policy will work.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:12 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
“Swim away, little guppie, before you get used as bait.”
This is the kind of deep argument people expect from the nutroots.
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March 30th, 2008 at 2:14 pmSo you are here for informed debate? I don’t wish to seem rude but it really doesn’t seem that way. You strike me more as the type who just wants to screw around espousing some sort of weird agenda in order to get some attention and feel like you are somehow superior. This is not uncommon in the world of electronic social interaction. It seems the anonimity allows some to lash out irrationally at others in a way they can not in direct human encounters. Mostly this behavior seems assoicated with the socially alienated and those who feel the world has ignored them but you never know
-best
StopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Fascism - Where the government runs corporations.
Socialism - Where the government runs corporations.
Ah, I see the problem now. STP was either sadly misinformed, or has undiagnosed dyslexia.
Perhaps some education would be in order.
From ” Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism”
by Dr. Lawrence Britt:
Or perhaps our sadly misinformed friend would prefer an ideologically friendly source, conservapedia:
More where that came from. Just holler when when you’re ready, STP.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pmdbadass,
Nope. Think Progress lied, I’m correcting their lie. It’s that simple.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pmralph,
Thanks, but I’ve seen those myths before.
Incidentally, classical liberalism is called “conservatism” in the United States.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pmWe will therefore correct your lie.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:24 pmIt is so incidental as to not exist…..well I guess one deluded soul…..but you don’t count.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:26 pm68
March 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pmWell now that we have established that you have no interest in informed polite discussion, how is it that you think your posts are somehow correcting anything?
Stanley G. Payne’s Fascism: Comparison and Definition (1980) uses a lengthy itemized list of characteristics to identify fascism, including the creation of an authoritarian state; a regulated, state-integrated economic sector; fascist symbolism; anti-liberalism; anti-communism, and anti-conservatism. As the common aim of all fascist movements he sees elimination of the autonomy or, in some cases, the existence of large-scale capitalism.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pmSource.
IMHO, we’re getting an example of the heart of what is wrong with American democracy. First, we do not have a clear position statement by the candidate.
And have you seen the White House website’s “answers” for fixing SSI? They read like a total capitulation (other than raising payroll taxes) of conservative positions, just a bland “we encourage a change in the current system to meet the need of future generations, while safeguarding current retiree’s benefits, and we will work with Congress to insure the stability of this vital program for all Americans” - sort of rhetorical pablum. McCain’s in essence flying blind on this issue, since the current administration’s not issuing any instructions from the control tower.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pmWell, I guess that settles it. In the eternal debate on whether words mean something or they don’t, STP comes down resoundingly on the side that “they don’t”.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pmcreation of an authoritarian state;
a regulated, state-integrated economic sector;
fascist symbolism;
anti-liberalism;
anti-communism, and
anti-conservatism.
Except for anti-communism, you’ve just described the Democratic Party.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pmAnd this is correcting what “lie”? I smell the smell of the socially alienated in need of attention oddities
March 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pmAt this point, it’s clear that anyone who expects to wring some sense out of STP will find just as much success trying to squeeze orange juice from a pine cone.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:40 pmAnd to follow my last post, I think this will be a major headache for the McCain campaign. Bush has demonstrated nothing in the last few years if not his reluctance to help others politically, without getting something in return. In the coming election, Bush’s tendencies will be to keep a low profile, unless McCain offers him something, to further his - or his family’s - fortunes. McCain might offer to install Jeb in the State Department, to gain international seasoning, and perhaps to repair some of the bridges burned since the invasion and occupation of Iraq, but it would be two-edged, as Jeb would also be positioning himself for a future presidential run, and might at times wander off-message to get personal political gain, shooting McCain in the foot, to establish his own creds as a “maverick.”
March 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pmHi progressinourminds
March 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pmprogressinourminds Says:
lucid much?
March 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pmI’m tired of these republicans telling me I have to manage my own money.
Tell the employees of Bear Stearns that; I’ll bet they’ll be rolling on the ground, in line at the unemployment office.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Ralph clearly doesn’t know the definition of fascism, which is a form of socialism.
OMFG, the stupidity is astounding.
Dismissed.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:51 pm“Warriors come out and play”
March 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pmSTP,
March 30th, 2008 at 2:55 pmYou forgot:
in some cases, the existence of large-scale capitalism.
and
What does anti-liberalism have to do with the Dems?
WaltTheMan Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
STP,
You forgot:
in some cases, the existence of large-scale capitalism.
and
What does anti-liberalism have to do with the Dems?
Walt, you forgot:
what does STP have to do with rational debate?
March 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pmSTP would you call everyone supporting Police, Fire and Libraries as socialism? How about Social Security ? A civilized society does have to contribute to EVERYONE’s wellbeing. Some will always cheat and use the system for their selfish means, such as Cheney, Bush etc.
March 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pmWhat happened to the “tough guys”?
March 30th, 2008 at 3:42 pmI’ve been in America, listening to fascistic propagandists like Think Progress demean their country and lie about the president. Where have you been?
start the propaganda has BDS. There is not a single lie about Bush the destroyer that start the propaganda can point out.
March 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
dbadass,
Nope. Think Progress lied, I’m correcting their lie. It’s that
simple.
What is the “LIE” that TP is telling?
I KNOW the LIES that MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA has told.
Bush and Cheney and their PNAC MASTERS have committed TREASON against the USA.
And, in a time of “war”, what is the PENALTY for TREASON, hmm?
“Who’s ’sane’, Hussein?
March 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pmNOT ‘Bomb Bomb Iran’ McCain!!”
Why is it that it seems like every time a Republican moves his lips he is lying?
March 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pmWhy is it that it seems like every time a Democrat moves his lips he is lying? [edited for accuracy]
March 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmLickerman certainly fits in so well as Zell Miller replacement.
March 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pmStopThePropaganda Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Why is it that it seems like every time a Democrat moves his lips he is lying? [edited for accuracy]
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I didn’t know that MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA was a Democrat.
He IS a LIAR, TRAITOR, MURDERER and WAR CRIMINAL, however.
Established FACT and TRUTH.
March 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pmWhat STP forgets is that the hidden agenda of the Bush/Cheney plan is to bankrupt SS by 2025 instead of 2042(Bush)/2052(CBC). After 2025 benefits will drop by 30-40% and in about 16 additional years drop down to a trickle.
March 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pmprogressinourminds Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
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Could someone hand the troll a balloon so he leaves the big people alone for a while?
March 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pmprogressinourminds isn’t really a tough guy, but thanks for trying
March 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pmHey avideditor
March 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pmWhat’s up. Silly talk?
The GOP is the world’s biggest terrorist organization. All republicans therefore belong in Guantanamo, or in prison. Republicans are traitors, and should be treated as such.
March 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pmThe trolls get just dumber and dumber. This isn’t the B Team, it’s the S Team, S for stupid
March 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pmI’m not going to waste my time “debating” with these wingnuts; the patience you guys–Ralph, dbadass, Walt, et al., show the right wing morons on this site never fails to amaze me. They obviously are mis(un)informed and show no inclination to learn anything, so my hat’s off to you for trying, albeit in vain.
My question to any of these boneheads (that includes Shrub and McShrub) is this: If you claim you don’t want to do away with Social Security (a blatant lie, well documented since the program was instituted) and your alternative is to “supplement” SS with “private accounts”, what is stopping any of you from doing that now? Isn’t there a plethora of institutional methods for doing this already, i.e. IRAs, 401ks, 401bs, etc? What is to prevent people from utilizing these “private accounts” now? These accounts are tax-free in most cases and already “supplement” Social Security. Why not leave SS in place to help those who are just scraping by right now and can’t afford the luxury of a retirement account because they have to pay $ 3.50 or more for a gallon of gas. Isn’t leaving SS as it is now and taking advantage of the current “private account” structure more of a “choice” that the Republic party supposedly advocates than killing SS and eliminating the choice of both SS and an IRA?
Someone please explain how narrowing choices gives us more.
Just sayin’.
March 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pmLying Joe always puts the LIE in LIEberman.
March 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm.
Lyin’, cheatin’, and stealin’, that’s what they do best.
March 30th, 2008 at 9:05 pmFascism isn’t socialism, but we haven’t even seen a socialist country. Distributing an undue amount to the military and an ultra-wealthy class, top 5-10% or so, is NOT socialism, society is not benefiting equally and the poor cannot assert ownership of resources.
The USSR after WWII had plenty of tanks even if people didn’t have aspirin or the most basic fruits and vegetables, and not very much bread/starches.
March 30th, 2008 at 11:35 pmsinge_101,
March 31st, 2008 at 12:30 amLast, when I was there, the Soviet Union was a communist nation. In that structure, the government owns everything including ones soul. When the USSR split into many separate states, most embraced socialism. One remnant of that union, Russia, had emerged as a socialist state and is drifting back to communism under Putin.
woodguy,
March 31st, 2008 at 2:22 amI am most flattered!
Thanks!
By the bye, we particapated in Earth day a day late. Power disappeared for about 2.5 hours. I checked the fridge and the light was out there when I opened the door. Am not sure about the status when I closed it, but at 6′4″ I do not seem to be able to climb in.
March 31st, 2008 at 2:31 amjackball Says:
March 31st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Soc-security as we know it is screwed. Most estimates put the screwage starting around 2017.
That and ALL the rest of your post is bullzhit. LIES.
The 3 TRILLION we are spending on Iraq would pay for Social Security and National Health Care.
The fact that we are STILL even considering staying longer in this ILLEGAL WAR OF CHOICE shows the real intent of these TRAITORS to the USA.
70 YEARS of Bush family TREASON against the USA.
March 31st, 2008 at 11:31 pm