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What a striking statement this is! He might as well as have said, “I don’t know, don’t want compaq evo n110s battery,compaq pp2101x battery to know, and don’t care.” What in the name of God is wrong with these people? I swear, many of them are reincarnated souls from Hitler’s regime.

“The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror.”

“This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe.”

The problem is that not only is waterboarding by definition a violation of the Convention against Torture (CAT) which the US completely ratified in 1994, it cannot also be employed under the justification of “exceptional circumstances whatsoever” — Part 1 Article 1.1 and Article 2.2 respectively. Additionally, in vetoing legislation which would bring the federal government (through clarifying/restricting the Army Field Manual 34.52), Bush has also violated CAT’s requirement to ensure that legislation, administration and the judiciary prevent acts of torture (1.2.1).

While this may seem legalistic, it is important to remember that once signed, international laws become domestic law in the United States. In the context of the Nuremberg Principles (I and VIb), this makes Bush a “war criminal” in the real sense of the term. In trying to pursue the execution of detainees in Guantanamo under the guise of respecting Nuremberg, he should remember Keitel et al.; he is putting his neck in the noose as well.

HAYDEN: I don’t–the real answer is–I’m going to be very candid–I have no idea. And do you know why? Because I’ve not asked. And, and I know that previous opinions may no longer be extant because there have been a series of changes in American law since those opinions were issued.

What a striking statement this is! He might as well as have said, “I don’t know, don’t want to know, and don’t care.” What in the name of God is wrong with these people? I swear, many of them are reincarnated souls from Hitler’s regime.

Blessed are the merciful.

The religion is consumerism and materialism. Notice they’d never lay finger on the billionaire Saudis. They could orchestrate a terrorist attack and get a stern talking-to, at worst.

These men don’t follow Christ, it’s a charade. But have a retreat with Exxon and Wal-Mart in Dubai, they’ll show and yuk it up about the consumers.

But those tribal, often rural Muslims who oppose opulence and hubris from others, we can treat them like sub-humans. There definitely are some evil people among them, but apparently we’ll respond in kind as long as nobody’s looking.

Stop turning him on…

I suggest you volunteer for a study to determine if waterboarding is torture. You’re up. Strip to the waist and lie on the board…

How about Zippy the Pinhead?

Exley et al…

Info on US history regarding the use of waterboarding…

WATCH, LEARN, and WEEP for your Nation, as it is now a Nation of Hypocritical ass wiping WAR CRIMINALS…

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse on the Senate floor detailing the precedent already set BY the USA… http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=641

Water torture IS an international WAR CRIME,
Water torture IS a violation of the Eighth Amendment,
Water torture IS a Federal crime…

Ignorance is not bliss, it’s a state of being…
The remedy IS education.

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R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS…
And so THEY(sic) debate the merits to undermining those very freedoms…

What sort of American argues to be a LESS principled American?

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Hayden, WHAT A LIE!!!!!!!!!!

It is the same when Bush insisted that the “USA does not torture”, before Abu Graib… WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!

sorry i meant “to anyone who says we should legalize torture”

Thanks genius, once again you grace us with your statements of illimitable importance. Obviously I cant speak for the staff at TP, but I doubt anyone of them is diputing there is a legal definition of torture. What I think is being addressed here is the way that it sounds like Hayden is trying to minimize the idea of torture…”torture is a legal term”…ie…. torture is just a legal term…he’s playing word games…. when he says “there are illegal things that are not torture”, i think its pretty apparent he’s trying to push the implication that there are acts of torture which are not illegal. to anyone who says there should be torture just in the one in a million chance we stop a ticking time bomb.. i have two words for ya.. “jury nullification”…any torturer with a semi good reason to torture isnt going to get 12 random people to agree he should be punished..

Article 1 of the UN Convention Against Torture define torture (and does not specifically reference waterboarding).

Moreover, 18 USC Sec. 2340 define ‘torture.’