Comments on: Another KBR rape claim emerges. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:09:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Zee http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-2/#comment-4735036 Zee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:59:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4735036 Zooey...where is your blog? Is it here or linked from here? Have you spoken out on Randi's Imus imitation? As for Texas Lady's remarks, they're here on the same threads you've either read or not. She defends Randi. And her remarks are besides the point. She is entitled to her denial. She's not a national public performer...at least that I know of. My "we've come a long way baby" except for Randi's sexist rants means exactly that. Who needs rapists, who needs male misogynists when we have female spokespeople, female air jockeys, female comics, who think attacking two trailblazing women by their anatomy is not only acceptable but funny? And all those Obama kids sucking it up. It was listed on Obama's site as some kind of fundraiser or support Obama event. Obama needs to step up and say he doesn't support his rabid followers making misogynistic sport of any women, even if they are his rivals. And if you have a blog, I would hope it's saying the same thing. Being silent on the matter, as ThinkProgress has been doing, doesn't strike me as being very progressive. Zooey…where is your blog? Is it here or linked from here? Have you spoken out on Randi’s Imus imitation?

As for Texas Lady’s remarks, they’re here on the same threads you’ve either read or not. She defends Randi.

And her remarks are besides the point. She is entitled to her denial. She’s not a national public performer…at least that I know of. My “we’ve come a long way baby” except for Randi’s sexist rants means exactly that. Who needs rapists, who needs male misogynists when we have female spokespeople, female air jockeys, female comics, who think attacking two trailblazing women by their anatomy is not only acceptable but funny? And all those Obama kids sucking it up. It was listed on Obama’s site as some kind of fundraiser or support Obama event.

Obama needs to step up and say he doesn’t support his rabid followers making misogynistic sport of any women, even if they are his rivals.

And if you have a blog, I would hope it’s saying the same thing. Being silent on the matter, as ThinkProgress has been doing, doesn’t strike me as being very progressive.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-2/#comment-4723722 Zooey Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:10:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4723722 <em>Zee Says: April 3rd, 2008 at 8:44 pm I have…right here in multiple posts…texas lady. There are a lot of self-loathing women, and to think on places “progressives” revere, like Air America. As I said. Who needs rapists, who need misogynists, when prominent so-called progressive female voices call two brave women who reached for the top “f!cking wh!res?” It needs to be asked. It needs to be denounced. And it needs to STOP.</em> Well, I'm not texaslady, but I'll assume you were answering me. If you could point me in the direction of those "self-loathing" comments. Are they here? Are they on my blog? I haven't seen them either place -- I've only seen condemnation. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying I haven't seen it. I condemn it. I agree it needs to stop. Like I said, Randi Rhodes does not speak for me. Zee Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:44 pm

I have…right here in multiple posts…texas lady. There are a lot of self-loathing women, and to think on places “progressives” revere, like Air America.

As I said. Who needs rapists, who need misogynists, when prominent so-called progressive female voices call two brave women who reached for the top “f!cking wh!res?”

It needs to be asked. It needs to be denounced. And it needs to STOP.

Well, I’m not texaslady, but I’ll assume you were answering me. If you could point me in the direction of those “self-loathing” comments. Are they here? Are they on my blog? I haven’t seen them either place — I’ve only seen condemnation.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just saying I haven’t seen it.

I condemn it. I agree it needs to stop. Like I said, Randi Rhodes does not speak for me.

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4720654 Max-1 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:17:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4720654 KBR is immune from the law. They can RAPE, PILLAGE and MURDER without accountability. How American is that? KBR is immune from the law.
They can RAPE, PILLAGE and MURDER without accountability.

How American is that?

]]> By: Zee http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4720192 Zee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:44:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4720192 I have...right here in multiple posts...texas lady. There are a lot of self-loathing women, and to think on places "progressives" revere, like Air America. As I said. Who needs rapists, who need misogynists, when prominent so-called progressive female voices call two brave women who reached for the top "f!cking wh!res?" It needs to be asked. It needs to be denounced. And it needs to STOP. I have…right here in multiple posts…texas lady. There are a lot of self-loathing women, and to think on places “progressives” revere, like Air America.

As I said. Who needs rapists, who need misogynists, when prominent so-called progressive female voices call two brave women who reached for the top “f!cking wh!res?”

It needs to be asked. It needs to be denounced. And it needs to STOP.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4719960 Zooey Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:29:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4719960 <em>Zee April 3rd, 2008 at 8:12 pm </em> So Randi Rhodes speaks for all women? Not bloody likely. I haven't seen anyone defending what she did -- no one. Zee
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:12 pm

So Randi Rhodes speaks for all women? Not bloody likely.

I haven’t seen anyone defending what she did — no one.

]]> By: Zee http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4719688 Zee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:12:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4719688 Oh, yes, well. We may have "come a long way, baby," but we have a far piece to go when the likes of Randi Rhodes calls two women who put themselves out there to become Commanders in Chief by derogatives of their female anatomy, Who needs misogynists? Oh, yes, well. We may have “come a long way, baby,” but we have a far piece to go when the likes of Randi Rhodes calls two women who put themselves out there to become Commanders in Chief by derogatives of their female anatomy,

Who needs misogynists?

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4719454 Evil Spaniard Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:57:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4719454 These guys aren't contractors, not even mercenaires, they are pirates. Plunder, rape and burn! These guys aren’t contractors, not even mercenaires, they are pirates. Plunder, rape and burn!

]]> By: specialist f http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4718446 specialist f Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:55:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4718446 <blockquote>Shayne Says:With a pneumatic nail gun?</blockquote> Nail one to there forehead,too. Make sure you use at least 16d nails for good penetration!

Shayne Says:With a pneumatic nail gun?

Nail one to there forehead,too. Make sure you use at least 16d nails for good penetration!

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4718196 Shayne Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:35:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4718196 <blockquote>RUCerious Says: April 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm Z ~ the biggest parallel would be Nero/Bush </blockquote> And Caligula/Cheney. Sorry RUC but you always bring out my best ideas. And Fred, as Zooey said, excellent rant.

RUCerious Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Z ~ the biggest parallel would be Nero/Bush

And Caligula/Cheney. Sorry RUC but you always bring out my best ideas.

And Fred, as Zooey said, excellent rant.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4718158 Shayne Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:33:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4718158 <blockquote>RUCerious Says: April 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm specialistF, it sounds like some of them sare in need of having those lapel pins attached to their dicks.</blockquote> With a pneumatic nail gun? Where do I sign up for this job?

RUCerious Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm

specialistF, it sounds like some of them sare in need of having those lapel pins attached to their dicks.

With a pneumatic nail gun? Where do I sign up for this job?

]]> By: specialist f http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717924 specialist f Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:21:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717924 misshusseinmolly Says Hmmm… how about subjecting the KBR officers to the same treatment their female employees are getting? Maybe have some guys like Zed,"the gimp",and Maynard from Pulp Fiction take a crack at them? misshusseinmolly Says Hmmm… how about subjecting the KBR officers to the same treatment their female employees are getting?

Maybe have some guys like Zed,”the gimp”,and Maynard from Pulp Fiction take a crack at them?

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717782 misshusseinmolly Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:10:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717782 RUCerious Says: April 3rd, 2008 at 5:28 pm "...perhaps keeping their CIO, CFO and CEO up all night with loudspeakers outside their back yards" ____________________________________________ Now, now -- their neighbors don't deserve the harassment. Can't we find some way to put pressure on them without messing up the lives of more innocent people? Hmmm... how about subjecting the KBR officers to the same treatment their female employees are getting? RUCerious Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
“…perhaps keeping their CIO, CFO and CEO up all night with loudspeakers outside their back yards”
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Now, now — their neighbors don’t deserve the harassment. Can’t we find some way to put pressure on them without messing up the lives of more innocent people?

Hmmm… how about subjecting the KBR officers to the same treatment their female employees are getting?

]]> By: Who Misspoke Today? http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717500 Who Misspoke Today? Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:49:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717500 From Wikipedia: In 68AD, a military coup drove Nero into hiding. Facing execution, he reportedly committed forced suicide. (Forced suicide is a method of execution where the victim is given the choice of committing suicide or facing an alternative they perceive as worse, such as suffering torture; having friends or family members imprisoned, tortured or killed; or losing honor, position or means.) The people of Rome celebrated his death. Well, someone did indeed stop Nero. I'm not advocating Bush receive the same ultimatum as Nero, but the power to remove Bush exists, it's just not being executed. From Wikipedia: In 68AD, a military coup drove Nero into hiding. Facing execution, he reportedly committed forced suicide. (Forced suicide is a method of execution where the victim is given the choice of committing suicide or facing an alternative they perceive as worse, such as suffering torture; having friends or family members imprisoned, tortured or killed; or losing honor, position or means.)

The people of Rome celebrated his death.

Well, someone did indeed stop Nero.

I’m not advocating Bush receive the same ultimatum as Nero, but the power to remove Bush exists, it’s just not being executed.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717422 Zooey Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:43:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717422 Those women should have stayed home and submitted to their husbands! /snark Those women should have stayed home and submitted to their husbands!

/snark

]]> By: swordsbane http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717396 swordsbane Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:41:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717396 The danger is not Bush. The most he can do is get us into a war with Iran. It will suck bigtime, but not be fatal (unless you're in the military or at ground zero during the next terrorist attack on the US) McCain scares me more. He has a stronger personality than Bush, he knows how to use the military (at least more than Bush does) and he has a temper, and thanks to Bush, he knows how far he can push. This to me is a BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD combination. All this is kids stuff compared to what will happen with McCain. The danger is not Bush. The most he can do is get us into a war with Iran. It will suck bigtime, but not be fatal (unless you’re in the military or at ground zero during the next terrorist attack on the US)

McCain scares me more. He has a stronger personality than Bush, he knows how to use the military (at least more than Bush does) and he has a temper, and thanks to Bush, he knows how far he can push. This to me is a BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD combination. All this is kids stuff compared to what will happen with McCain.

]]> By: BrianFL http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717186 BrianFL Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:28:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717186 Zooey, yep, there are definite parallels. Rome became a society that consumed more and more, and produced less and less. Sounds very familiar. A large reason for Rome's collapse had to do with the devaluation of currency. They could not keep up with all their expenses (especially the military), so their currency lost more and more value to the point where every product was ridiculously expensive. The gap between rich and poor became more and more extreme. Roman infrastructure degraded and was not maintained because the funds were needed for military campaigns. We can only hope that there is still time to turn things around. Zooey, yep, there are definite parallels. Rome became a society that consumed more and more, and produced less and less. Sounds very familiar. A large reason for Rome’s collapse had to do with the devaluation of currency. They could not keep up with all their expenses (especially the military), so their currency lost more and more value to the point where every product was ridiculously expensive. The gap between rich and poor became more and more extreme. Roman infrastructure degraded and was not maintained because the funds were needed for military campaigns.

We can only hope that there is still time to turn things around.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717180 RUCerious Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:28:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717180 Maple, perhaps some appropriate picketing of KBR HQ, or flooding their offices with email, snail mail, perhaps keeping their CIO, CFO and CEO up all night with loudspeakers outside their back yards... Maple, perhaps some appropriate picketing of KBR HQ, or flooding their offices with email, snail mail, perhaps keeping their CIO, CFO and CEO up all night with loudspeakers outside their back yards…

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717140 MapleStreet Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:26:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717140 "and warned that if she spoke up, she would be “in danger.” OK - I get that the actions of KBR employees are free from Iraqi laws, free of the UCMJ, and free of USA laws. On the other hand, the above quote to me sounds like something in the sphere of witness tampering, RICO, etc. and definitely more a systemic illness of the whole company. Isn't there at least some way to address that ? “and warned that if she spoke up, she would be “in danger.”

OK – I get that the actions of KBR employees are free from Iraqi laws, free of the UCMJ, and free of USA laws.

On the other hand, the above quote to me sounds like something in the sphere of witness tampering, RICO, etc. and definitely more a systemic illness of the whole company.

Isn’t there at least some way to address that ?

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717074 VerbalKint Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:23:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717074 Clearly we are an empire in rapid decline. McCain as president will only serve to hasten that decline. Clearly we are an empire in rapid decline. McCain as president will only serve to hasten that decline.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/comment-page-1/#comment-4717064 Zooey Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:22:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/03/another-kbr-rape-claim-emerges/#comment-4717064 <em>RUCerious Says: April 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm Z ~ the biggest parallel would be Nero/Bush</em> No one stopped Nero, and it looks like no one will stop Bush. RUCerious Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Z ~ the biggest parallel would be Nero/Bush

No one stopped Nero, and it looks like no one will stop Bush.

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