Snow: The ‘Bad Guys Backed Down’ In Basra ‘Because They Were Getting Crushed’
Snow: The ‘Bad Guys Backed Down’ In Basra ‘Because They Were Getting Crushed’
Hosting Bill O’Reilly’s Radio Factor today, Tony Snow accused Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of wanting the U.S. “to lose” in Iraq after she warned Gen. David Petraeus that she didn’t “want to hear any glorification of what happened in Basra.”
Snow was irate that Pelosi refused to declare “mission accomplished” about Basra. According to Snow, the six days of fighting last week resulted in an overwhelming defeat for “the bad guys”:
What happened was the bad guys backed down because they were getting crushed! … Moqtada al-Sadr is in hiding in Iran. That’s how tough it is.
Listen to it:
In fact, last week’s fighting may have actually emboldened Sadr’s hand. Reuters explained, “Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s crackdown on militias in the southern oil port of Basra appears to have backfired, exposing the weakness of his army and strengthening his political foes ahead of elections.” Experts agree:
Jonathan Steele: “Iraq’s prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki…has emerged with his authority severely weakened. … Meanwhile, Moqtada al-Sadr, the target of the assault, comes out of the crisis strengthened. His militiamen gave no ground and, by declaring a ceasefire that has successfully held since Sunday, Sadr has demonstrated his authority and the discipline of his men.” [LINK]
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE): “Here, Maliki says he’s going down and he’s going to take out all these malcontents, as well as take out Sadr and his Mahdi Army. And it looks to me like, at least on the surface, Sadr may have come out a winner here. You know, he lives to fight another day.” [LINK]
Juan Cole: “For the Iraqi government to depend on Badr and Peshmerga militias, however, weakens its independence and makes it hostage to allies of Iran…So not only did Iran gain stature and authority in Iraq by negotiating a (fragile) ceasefire between al-Maliki and Muqtada al-Sadr, but al-Maliki has is now more than ever dependent on Iranian clients.” [LINK]
Brian Katulis: “This was a thumpin’ for the Iraqi army and this was a thumpin’ from a political perspective for the Iraqis.” [LINK]
Snow is simply wrong. It was Maliki’s government — not Sadr — who traveled to Iran and requested the cease-fire, and it is Maliki’s government that remains close to Iran.
As for Snow’s claim that Sadr is “in hiding in Iran” because of “how tough it is,” just yesterday he called for a million-man march against U.S. forces — what ABC News characterized as “a massive show of strength.”
Anthony Cordesman, national security analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, specifically warned that a good guy/bad guy framing like Snow’s is “a dangerous oversimplification.”
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Pretty sad guys. 90% of the worlds military might and we are struggling to deal with .001% of the worlds military might……what’s wrong with this picture…..who’s getting who’s a&& kicked?
April 4th, 2008 at 9:02 pmComplete Lie. their Us Sponsored, Armed, and Supported government was the one who started it, and they are the ones who backed down..
Iraq PM reverses course, freezes raids:
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20080404/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/ iraq_080403191840;_ylt=AkmYgdkiulUJHGLrZ.93Ou.WwvIE
“In a dramatic reversal, Iraq’s prime minister ordered a nationwide freeze Friday on Iraqi raids against Shiite militants, bowing to demands by anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr only one day after promising to expand the crackdown to Baghdad.”
April 4th, 2008 at 9:03 pmI’m still waiting for Exley to come on with some snippet of good news from Iraq.. somewhere I think I hear the sound of a school being painted..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:04 pmSadr completely outfoxed Maliki! He showed him to be a fool and a failure. Snow’s spin is really a desperate attempt to salvage a military and psychological disaster.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:05 pm*yawn*
April 4th, 2008 at 9:05 pmReally Mr.Snow? How about telling that to the Five Hundred men who faught in that battle to support the fight. Not to mention the 1000 or so Iraq soldures who put donw there guns and walked away. NICE . This is a disgrace. GET OUT NOW.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pmWhy is this guy still among us spewing his lies. Does the devil do chemotherapy as part of the deal these days?
April 4th, 2008 at 9:07 pm.
Was Basra the central front on the war of terrorism?
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April 4th, 2008 at 9:08 pmThe Mahdi Army held it’s group. They beat the corrupt government.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:11 pmA always marvel how knuckle-draggers NEVER EVER let facts get in the way.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:11 pmThe repugs think that by spinning and lying, they make it true.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pmThe braindead viewers of FOX believe it because they have been brainwashed to believe that the media is liberal except for FOX.
Snow and his ilk are dangerous for America.
more from the link I quoted above:
“Al-Rubaie said the freeze applied even in cases where an arrest warrant had been issued. He said negotiations were under way on other Sadrist demands, including the release of al-Sadr’s followers detained without charge, reinstating soldiers and police who deserted during last week’s fighting and the lifting of the siege of Sadr City and another Shiite neighborhood.”
ooh, glad to know these are the people who are going to be standing up when we stand down..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:13 pmMission Accomplished again? One M/A deception wasn’t good enough for lying snowjob? Man, s.p.a.r.e m.e.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:14 pmscytherius Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
“A always marvel how knuckle-draggers NEVER EVER let facts get in the way.”
I agree, Tony Snow is part of a dying breed. Every day there’s more Progressives and Less Conservatives. We are winning.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:14 pma good guy/bad guy framing like Snow’s is “a dangerous oversimplification.”
Really? How so? It worked extremely well for BushCo in 2003 didn’t it? “You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.” And 80% of the public bought it hook line and sinker. So if it ain’t broke, (and the surge is working,) don’t fix it. Right
April 4th, 2008 at 9:18 pmTony Snow has completely blown any credibility he might have had. He is, simply, a washed up loser who babbles Bush propaganda. He should just silently fade away instead of adding to his lies & smears.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pmKilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
It’s kind of amazing, and sad, to see how much this utter moron has NO IDEA how ridiculous he sounds.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:38 pmKilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Try again Kilo. Third time is a charm. Who knows, you might figure out what ever it is you are trying to say.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pmKilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The truthers are on the case.
Nuanced interpretations of political manueverings interpreted as untruths are being examined here….
Keep babbling, Kilo, You make less sense each time you post. But then, you are entertaining, in a bumbling sort of way.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pmI thought he quit as press secretary. Guess BushCo chooses their mouthpieces wisely, must be the only smart thing they do.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pmSnow is still alive? This close to death and still lying? What ruthless tenacity… lie and con to the very end.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:53 pmNamtillaku Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I thought he quit as press secretary.
You mean that his job is different today? Funny, I hadn’t noticed.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pmKilo,
April 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pm9/11 was an inside job! Those are the facts!
Once a SnowJob, always a SnowJob.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:56 pm#21 Kilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
You mean these non-existant experts?
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php
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April 4th, 2008 at 9:56 pmKilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I guess we’ll have to take your word for that, since we all know you’ll not be able to make that case if called to. Like you just have been.
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Make my case?
***incredulous chuckling***
Please EXPLAIN how yer incoherent muttering makes any sense whatsoever, you idiot. I don’t have to “make that case”. All I have to do is post yer own words.
Kilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
If a Chinese delegation travels to Pakistan to get the Taliban to stand down in Afghanistan, and that happens the very next day, does this suggest Pakistan has influence over China or the Taliban ?
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EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME… you stultifying, self-important moron… what in God’s name are you talking about here? Just because you FANCY you’re making sense, it doesn’t MEAN you’re making sense.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:00 pmQuestions about 9/11? Here’s food for thought.
If you read a single article, I strongly suggest reading this one: False Flag Prospects, 2008 — Top Three US Target Cities by Captain Eric H. May. The following are exerts:
Read this article. It’s quite frightening.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=8165
And then this one for a little perspective on the Republicans Plan for a Double Whammy and why Obama scares the crap out of them.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:02 pmhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=8412
There is no win in Iraq. The war has bled our treasury and killed our troops. “The war” is bogus and was from the start. Snow is pimp for Bush that’s all. What are his credentials regarding strategy and tactics? What does he know? In fact he’s a pimp for Fox news…a sound bite fear monger and republican party hound. He moved from spreading bullshit at the spite house to driving his manure spreader at Faux.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:02 pmHelp Phil Donahue promote this important movie, directed by Phil Donahue and Ellen Spiro, send this video link to others to make people aware of Tomas Young’s story.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:10 pmKilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Merlin Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Keep babbling, Kilo, You make less sense each time you post. But then, you are entertaining, in a bumbling sort of way.
And with every post where you want to portray yourself as being in disagreement with me but just can’t bring yourself to, you tell us something
quite clear too.
Ooooooh! I tremble in fear at the very thought of disagreeing with you.
Actually, I told you exactly what was on my mind. Are you saying you did not get the meaning? Keep puffing on your pipe, and smoking up the thread as you spout your philosophical word games, Kilo. I appreciate your entertainment.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pmJust because “Tony the armchair Tiger” survived his last bout with Cancer, it does not make this pathological liar honest. He is still the lying POS he always was!
April 4th, 2008 at 10:21 pmIt’s good to see I wasn’t the only one scratching my head, trying to figure out what the hell Kilo was trying to say.
Back to Tony Snowjob though, can anyone tell me how this nation is served by delusional lies that distort and misrepresent the truth of what’s happening?
Wouldn’t we be better served by actually dealing with the truth, rather than what BushCo wishes were reality?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:25 pmOkay, so all the King’s horses and all the King’s men have had their shot; when does the Reality-Based Community get to try to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmOkay, you delusional, hopelessly condescending j*rkoff..
Go ahead… EXPLAIN WTF this BS means…
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If a Chinese delegation travels to Pakistan to get the Taliban to stand down in Afghanistan, and that happens the very next day, does this suggest Pakistan has influence over China or the Taliban?
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Is this some sort of variation on “How much wood could a woodchuck…” or what? You make up insane gobbledegook that makes NO SENSE to any rational human being reading it, then just sit bakc and chuckle to yerself.
PATHETIC, ya smarmy fraud.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Okay, so all the King’s horses and all the King’s men have had their shot; when does the Reality-Based Community get to try to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:33 pmFeb 20th 2009 =P
#37 Kilo
Must I do the legwork for you lazy ass and narrow mind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3_mmGvfQQ
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April 4th, 2008 at 10:38 pm“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
GW Bush
That’s all this is. They create their own reality. And many many citizens believe it. Polls have shown a MAJORITY of Americans still believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pm#42 Ralph
Tony Snow-New job title “Spin Doctor”
It doesn’t help that nation at all. At least Nancy Pelosi didn’t want to hear the Snow Job, she wanted the truth. Tony got ticked that his Spin didn’t work on her.
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Kilo Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
This would amount to you doing something other that what I just said you would be incapable of doing, and have set out to prove me right.
Hoo, HaHa! You are terrific! (Wiping tears of laughter from eyes)
Talk about gobbledegoop! Do you teach this stuff?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pmHey Tony!!! Your pants are on fire.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmccokzblog
April 4th, 2008 at 10:47 pmways into past
scientists make laser waves show accoustic waves from the past
“Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a factoid out of my azz!”
April 4th, 2008 at 10:47 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Is this some sort of variation on “How much wood could a woodchuck…” or what?
Probably! And at other times, a takeoff on this. “On promulgating esoteric cogitations, or articulating superficial sentimentalities, beware of platitudinous ponderosity….(and there is lots more.)
April 4th, 2008 at 10:49 pmHow can Snow presume what’s going on in Iraq? Who out there in radio-land could believe the slop coming from Snow’s pie-hole. To blame the Speaker for the outcome of this God forsaken war, is a stretch. How many souls will it take before we end this nation building farce? “OBOMA 08″
April 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pmSnow wants to reduce what’s going on in Iraq to the equivalent of a college football game, rah, rah our team vs their team, good guys vs bad guys.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pmThat kind of simplistic moronic thinking will get American soldiers killed for no good reason.
Snow would do a great service to his country by just shutting the f*** up.
George Baxter Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Tony Snow is part of a dying breed. Every day there’s more Progressives and Less Conservatives. We are winning.
This battle has been waging for thousands of years…..Scientists vs Inquisition; Egyptians vs Slaves; Cro-Magnons vs Neanderthals; Fascists vs Communists; non-Linear thinkers vs Linear thinkers. It could be evolution itself is taking care of basically useless stock, the Neo-Con.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pmKilo, is it safe to assume that English is not your first language? If it is, then please step away from the bottle.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pmTough talk from Tony!
April 4th, 2008 at 11:28 pmI love how all these chickenhawks who live in a bubble of the Beltway and midtown Manhattan tv studios and restaurants like to talk tough.
I’d like to see how tough these clowns would be if they had to ever leave the bubble and live in the real world.
Of course the book deals and tv appearances are all done to assure that they NEVER will have to step outside that bubble and mingle with the common folk.
I know it’s been said a million times but I would love to see these chickenhawks given a gun and helmet and dropped off in Iraq. I can just picture how well this geek Snow, the tough talking guy that he is, would cope with that situation.
Tony Snow should be tried in the Hague dor war crimes.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:51 pmI meant for.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:51 pmIt is a logical fallacy to presume that because Event B followed Event A, that Event B was caused by Event A.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:52 pmThere is no lie Tony Snow won’t tell to spin for his side.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:02 amShayne Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 12:02 am
There is no lie Tony Snow won’t tell to spin for his side.
and there is no GOP lie that Kilo won’t swear to.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:07 amBald fat Dick and boy traitor W were crowing about another defining moment in the history of Iraq have suddenly gone silent. They trot out Snowjob to test fly some whimsical spin. I expect more silence as Iran was the big winner and our pet Gvmt. in Iraq sucked air.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:23 amSnow never met a fact he couldn’t distort.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:28 amBefore babbling incoherently all over the thread, the troll would have saved himself a lot of time & embarrassment had he clicked on the link and read the McClatchy article. Specially the part that reads:
Iraqi lawmakers traveled to the Iranian holy city of Qom over the weekend to win the support of the commander of Iran’s Qods brigades in persuading Shiite cleric Muqtada al Sadr to order his followers to stop military operations, members of the Iraqi parliament said.
Or this one:
“We asked Iranian officials to help us persuade [al Sadr] that we were not cracking down on the Sadr group,” said an Iraqi official, who asked for anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.
So, not only is Iran gaining influence with Maliki’s government (and the insurgency), the Mahdi army wasn’t exactly “crushed”, as Tony would have us believe.
Sorry, troll. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Not to mention your piss-poor writing abilities.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:32 amTo the Bush cultists anyone who can accurately describe the political & military situation in Iraq is a “leftist” who “wants to lose in Iraq”.
They’d much rather take refuge in their own delusions than acknowledge reality.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:37 amGregor Samsa Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 12:37 am
They will not accept that the premise of their thinking on this is wrong. For one thing, not everyone in the world wants their government to be a democracy, no matter what the Bushies say. Especially tribal cultures like, say, I don’t know, maybe the Arabs? Our government doesn’t want to “spread democracy”, it wants to create controllable governments. But the Bushies have actually convinced themselves that we can “win” in Iraq (without defining clearly what that entails, or why the military is needed to do it), and anyone who dares point out that reality is not matching their vision of the world is branded a traitor, an America-hater, or their favorite, a “cheese-eating surrender monkey”. It doesn’t make them any more right, but because people who they have been told are the enemy (we liberals) disagree with them, then that must mean they are right. I tell you, it sure sounds like an odd bit of reality to live in.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:43 amWayne A. Schneider - April 5th, 2008 at 12:43 am
A “cheese-eating surrender monkey”? Well, that’s one I hadn’t heard in a while.
The most tragic aspect of this while mess is that the people who still support this occupation will not learn a thing.
It doesn’t seem to dawn on them that not only did the Bush administration invade the wrong country -in one of the biggest military blunders in US history- but that Bush & Co managed to bungle every aspect of the occupation, busy as they were awarding themselves all the contracts relating to the so-called reconstruction.
And 30 years from now, we will be hearing these twits and their offspring rant about the “leftists” and the media who “lost the war” in Iraq -much like we hear now about Vietnam.
Some things never change, I tell ya.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:56 amKilo Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Seriously, when I tell you that you are incapable of doing something one would expect you’d try a little harder to avoid confirming that’s the case.
HaaaaHaaaaHaaaa!… Hey! Look at that! Another gem. C’mon, admit it. You wrote a book on this stuff, didn’t you? You have a real talent here! Problem is there is no demand for it except amongst BushCo enablers. Hope they pay you well.
Say, what are you going to do for a job come Jan. 20, 2009? Neocon trolls will be out of work then.
April 5th, 2008 at 1:51 amKilo Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 1:27 am
No. As I said, I’ll be more than happy to explain it to you in detail for as long as necessary, if you just cite a single thing about it you do not understand.
You appear to be avoiding doing that.
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Um, the entire statement, j*rkoff?
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If a Chinese delegation travels to Pakistan to get the Taliban to stand down in Afghanistan, and that happens the very next day, does this suggest Pakistan has influence over China or the Taliban?
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Come on, you self-important, condescending twit… EXPLAIN this nonsense.
Did you even bother to follow the link and read what the writers had to say about the ACTUAL situation in Iraq BEFORE you decided to embarrass yourself for hours on end here?
Pleas, please, EXPLAIN how your asinine ramblings have ANYTHING to do w/ reality…
Come, 2.2, you can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 5th, 2008 at 2:15 amThis Kilo dingaling has no sense of humor whatsoever, does he? This thread is hilarious!!!
April 5th, 2008 at 2:26 amHey, I got a good one fer ya all ta solve…
There’s a rooster sittin’ on the peak of a roof. Which way do the eggs fall?
Or…
A plane crashes on the border of Tennessee and Arkansas. Why do they bury the survivors in Mississippi?
Or…
How much dirt is in a hole that’s 3′X3′X3′????
Com’on, Kilo… you kin answer em!
April 5th, 2008 at 2:32 amMore double talk, Merlin…
You really can’t explain your own words, can you, 2.2?
It must be pretty embarrassing to post gibberish like that and then have to spend HOURS pretending it makes some… sort… of “sense”, when even you don’t know what it means.
Yer a hoot, Li’l Feller. Too bad the 1/2 Hr News Hr didn’t last longer.
You coulda bin a contenda…
April 5th, 2008 at 2:53 amTRoS, They don’t bury survivors.
April 5th, 2008 at 3:27 amAccording to everybody, you need to have about 700,000 troops to control an insurgency of a population of 26 million.
About 63% of Iraqis agree with attacks on US troops.
How would you feel if Chinese and Russian troops oppupied your town?
April 5th, 2008 at 3:30 amchirp, chirp, chirp
April 5th, 2008 at 3:32 amI’m sorry I missed this thread. It looks like all three of Kilo’s wheels came off.
In any case, Snow is a liar in a pack of desperate liars. I think that the war crimes gang have completely given up hope making sense to the 70% of Americans who oppose the war. They are frantically trying to secure their base, the imbeciles who will believe anything told to them by their masters, but even that will be impossible with the failing economy as a backdrop.
April 5th, 2008 at 3:48 am“The bad guys”. They are the ‘bad guys’! The USA invades and occupy their country to steal their resurces, killing their families and destroying their society… All based on LIES. Than, they are the ‘Bad Guys’. Why? Because they have the legitinacy to resist? They will continue to resist. That is because it is THEIR LAND! I hope the WAR CRIMINALS in Washington one day face accountability. As per T. Snow… go to hell Snow!
April 5th, 2008 at 4:29 amKilo Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 3:25 am
HAH!
I KNEW you’d come back after everyone had left, just so you could pretend you got the last word in, you smarmy little fraud.
You weren’t making any sense 4 hrs ago, and you don’t make any now.
I’d bet good money you don’t have a single solitary real friend in your pathetic empty life, and you prolly even have to pay your imaginary friends to play w/ you.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
April 5th, 2008 at 4:52 am“What happened was the bad guys backed down because they were getting crushed!”
The “bad guys”? Bad as in anyone who dares resist against US occupation? Either you’re with us (”concerned citizen”) or against us (”terrorist”)
April 5th, 2008 at 7:01 amOther than entertainment for th rabble, what relevance does Tony Snow have, anyways?
April 5th, 2008 at 7:33 amTo go from WH Press Secretary to guest host of the most derided radio program in America isn’t exactly something to talk about…
Kilo doesn’t even want to talk about it….
April 5th, 2008 at 7:34 amWho is this Tony Snow guy and why should he be listened to?
April 5th, 2008 at 7:43 amdlet Says:
April 5th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Who is this Tony Snow guy and why should he be listened to?
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He’s another GOP traitor, liar and fool like Kilo.
April 5th, 2008 at 9:05 amTony Snow’s relevence, dlet, is that he is putting out the talking point for the die hard righties to take up.
It doesn’t matter that the talker is out of touch with reality - this has been the Bush Cheney Rove method all along.
Note the embedded accusation that Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want us to win.
The the plan, later, will be to scream that Pelosi Betrayed America just when we were winning Basra, and that the future disastrous state of Iraq is her fault.
Seem silly to you? Just remember: Bush ignored months of warnings prior to 9/11 (read Richard Clarke’s “Against All Enemies”) yet the repubs were able to cast themselves as “tough” on national security.
As long as you have a supine media, this crap actually works.
April 5th, 2008 at 9:06 amJust like everything else the gop has decided for us against the will of the people, we must re-instate the fairness doctrine. the media will obey it’s masters.
The masters must be regulated……hell even the repubs are talking about regulations now since the sub-prime debacle..
I for one am sick of living the choices of the minority.
I am sick of hearing about creationism in schools…..this is nonsense and it must stop.
I am sick of hearing about abstinance only sex education. It is a dangerous and idiotic policy.
I am sick of the “out in the open” hate towards race and sexual orientation that has evolved with the cons in power.
I am sick of the gop’s two faces…..immigration…they want it stopped but they want the cheap labor with no responsibility to the workers.
two faces of gop health care…..the lie that we have the best health care in the world and while that may be true….it is mostly unavailable to the citizens of this country……by design.
Snow is one of the bad guys. They are mostly all equally bad except for the few neo-cons who masterminded this nightmare. They have a special place in hell reserved for themselves…..right next to a lot of other very bad people.
April 5th, 2008 at 9:36 amSeveral comments picked up on the “bad guys” reference. I would only add: wait three months. It seems the “bad guys” suddenly can turn into “good guys” when it fits the current political aims of these simpletons.
April 5th, 2008 at 9:57 amkilo comes here and sometimes trys to act like he wants a discussion……just enough to keep people from flagging him and continue to engage him.
To those who want kilo to be allowed to stay and clutter our threads with his brand of drunken, ignorant, self-serving bullsh!it…..please rethink your policy towards kilo and flag him for abuse every time you see his username.
If you have any doubts, please read all of this thread……..
April 5th, 2008 at 9:58 amI knew… I KNEW…
Back AGAIN!
Yer right, Fred…
FLAG the creep.
April 5th, 2008 at 10:52 amWow.. Kilo and his convoluted statements. Let me boil it down to the simple factts. Iran has an extreme amount of influnce with both the main Iraqi government, and ALSO the Sadrists. Malikis government is deeply involved with the Badr bridages, and their puppetmasters (whom I beleive are the SCIRI..i think thats the right acronym) have close ties with Iran and in fact many of that organizations leaders reside in Iran. the Iranian president recently received a very warm, public welcome in Baghdad.
Don’t spend too much time trying to make sense of the things Kilo says…his writing is cumbersome and needlessly convoluted, I think its safe to say that most of us here are much better educated than he and yet he seems to be unable to concisely communicate much of anything to us. He’d claim its because he’s smarter than us, I’m sure. He refuses to say anything about himself (other than the fact he was too busy working at mcdonalds or someplace similar to go sign up to fight for america), but his prose reeks of community college philisophy-isms
April 5th, 2008 at 11:09 amTwo words: SNOW JOB
That’s all you need to know about this ass-hat.
Just saying . . .
April 5th, 2008 at 11:15 amHe’d claim its because he’s smarter than us, I’m sure. He refuses to say anything about himself (other than the fact he was too busy working at mcdonalds or someplace similar to go sign up to fight for america), but his prose reeks of community college philisophy-isms
This intellectual elitism shit doesn’t cut much slack with me. I don’t care where, or how, or when his shabby intellect came into being. It’s not important. What is, is that he is consistently wrong. Period. And for your info, he’s an Aussie, so perhaps his “community college philosophy-isms” are cultural differences, CJ.
April 5th, 2008 at 11:41 amIt’s good to see I wasn’t the only one scratching my head, trying to figure out what the hell Kilo was trying to say.
Actually when I see the trolls name at the top of the post, I just keep on going. It has never had anything to contribute to the discourse on this blog and I doubt that it ever will. I don’t understand why you folks even bother with it.
April 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pmI hope they have built a huge room on the embassy in Bagdad. The roof on the embassy in Saigon was way toooooo small.
April 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pmtony snow is not ‘wrong’. he’s a liar.
there’s a big difference.
April 5th, 2008 at 1:17 pmSorry, guys…
I shouldn’t have egged he on…
I just wanted to see how long he would go on huffing and puffing and stomping his little feet…
It was kinda like watching a dog chase its own tail… for hours.
Poor Kilo is prolly STILL dizzy, wherever he’s hiding.
My bad…
***TRoS hangs head in shame…***
Now… if a member of the Taliban is on a roof tossing eggs across the border into China, and falls off the roof, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck into the hole they need to dig to bury the survivors in Mississippi?
April 5th, 2008 at 1:21 pmApril 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Snow: The ‘Bad Guys Backed Down’ In Basra ‘Because They Were Getting Crushed’
Now how do you think Maliki will think of Snow saying this about the Iraqi Forces? I thought they were on the same team?
April 5th, 2008 at 2:57 pmHey Mr. Snow, How about watching http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com , then tell me your story once again.
April 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pmSnow, you fronted for a traitor and his treasonous V.P.
Now you have the timerity to advise black is actually white.
Again.
Please take your Neo Con socialism and leave.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/t_equals.html
Drop off your citizenship on the way out.
April 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pmIt’s about time the Iraqi army stood up…., and handed their weapons over to their Shiite Mahdi buddies.
April 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pmUh, Oh, FusterCluck!
From the NY Times:
April 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmBAGHDAD — More than 1,000 Iraqi soldiers and policemen either refused to fight or simply abandoned their posts during the inconclusive assault against Shiite militias in Basra last week, a senior Iraqi government official said Thursday. Iraqi military officials said the group included dozens of officers, including at least two SENIOR FIELD COMMANDERS in the battle.
Tony Snow, you’re not Bush’s Press Secretary any more. You can knock of the bullcrap. Maliki suffered how own crushing defeat with his Basra operation. It is hard to see how he can remain in power. Maybe next time he won’t jump to Cheney’s marching orders. It would be interesting to know what promises Cheney made to Maliki in exchange for this stupid, doomed attempt to take out the Mahdi Army of al Sadr.
April 5th, 2008 at 6:50 pmIf I take the time to read kilo’s posts I always wind up scratching my head and saying to myself “whaat?”
I will re-iterate my assessment of kilo’s posts:
a brand of drunken, ignorant, self-serving bullsh!it
April 6th, 2008 at 11:10 amWaiddaminnit…. I take a couple days off this weekend, and don’t read the news. When did Maliki become the “bad guy”?!?!?
Cheers,
April 7th, 2008 at 12:09 am