ThinkFast: April 4, 2008
ThinkFast: April 4, 2008
On the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., “several scholarly reports have been released charting the nation’s uneven social and economic progress during the past 40 years,” specifically focusing “on the two issues — war and poverty — that were consuming him at the time of his death.”
80,000: Number of jobs the U.S. economy shed in March, “the biggest monthly job decline in five years. … The March unemployment rate jumped to 5.1% from 4.8%, highest since a matching rate in September 2005.” These numbers were “more bleak than expected“; economists had predicted a decline “of 60,000 in non-farm payrolls and a rise in the unemployment rate to 5%.”
“Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s.” The new survey found that “81 [percent] of respondents said they believed ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,’ up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2002.”
Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA) have asked DNI Mike McConnell “to release an unclassified summary of the latest National Intelligence Estimate” before Gen. David Petraeus testifies on April 8. The public does not “have the essential information needed for an informed public debate,” they wrote.
A new report has found that Improvised Explosive Devises (IED) — common in Iraq and Afghanistan — are on the rise in other countries, prompting concerns by military experts that the tactic is becoming the weapon of choice by terror groups worldwide. There are 200 to 300 IED attacks each month outside Iraq and Afghanistan.
On Wednesday, the House voted “to triple to more than $10 billion a year U.S. humanitarian spending on fighting AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa and other stricken areas of the world.” Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
“A bipartisan group of 20 senators unveiled a $6 billion bill that would extend renewable-energy tax credits for one year” that could “save as much as $20 billion in new project investment planned by renewable-energy companies.”
The Senate killed a housing proposal sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) by a vote of 58-36 “that would have provided the most direct aid to homeowners facing foreclosure,” instead “keeping alive a delicate compromise on a sweeping housing bill.”
“Members of Congress have as much as $196 million collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense Department, earning millions since the onset of the Iraq war,” according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
And finally: House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) has “returned from Libya with a new pair of sunglasses courtesy of his host, Col. Muammar Gaddafi. … En route to Tripoli, Boehner’s plane was diverted to Surt, Gaddafi’s hometown on the Gulf of Sidra.” Boehner eventually met the colonel inside “a big white tent” in the desert. At one point, a Gaddafi aide “entered the tent with a box of sunglasses.” Gaddafi told Boehner that the “desert [is] not kind to blue eyes.”
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It is not enough to say we must not wage war. It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:01 amAs Guantanamo Trials Near, Pentagon Limits What Can Be Reported
As the U.S. government edges toward war-crimes trials by military commission all sides are grappling with what information can be made public and what must be kept secret.
Information edited from:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/03/8069/
** To call this a Kangaroo Court would be an insult to marsupials everywhere.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:02 am"...I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic, destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., 1967
April 4th, 2008 at 9:05 amOn Wednesday, the House voted “to triple to more than $10 billion a year U.S. humanitarian spending on fighting AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa and other stricken areas of the world.” Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Coburn then added, "But of course it is entirely responsible to cut taxes during war. Go shopping America!"
April 4th, 2008 at 9:12 amTom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
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This phony-baloney manufactured "war" seems to have come in quite handy for the Republicans. Not only has it given our leaders flimsy excuses for trampling all over our rights at home (Bush just LOVES playing "commander in chief in time of war"), but it's now being used as an excuse to eradicate the last vestiges of what made us look good in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Way to go, GOP!
April 4th, 2008 at 9:12 amWhy is Boener meeting with Ghaddafi? Didn't Billy Carter get into trouble for going to Libya? What's changed?
April 4th, 2008 at 9:13 amAt one point, a Gaddafi aide “entered the tent with a box of sunglasses.” Gaddafi told Boehner that the “desert [is] not kind to blue eyes.”
"No one knows what it's like . . . behind blue eyes." Nothing, really. Not these blue eyes.
Did the blue eyes fill with tears?
April 4th, 2008 at 9:14 amApril 4, 1968: Martin Luther King Jr.'s Death and How It Changed America
by Michael Eric Dyson
http://www.michaelericdyson.com/april41968/buy.php
April 4th, 2008 at 9:15 amImprovised Explosive Devises (IED) — common in Iraq and Afghanistan — are on the rise in other countries, prompting concerns by military experts that the tactic is becoming the weapon of choice by terror groups worldwide.
An IED is a bomb. Terrorists have always used bombs. The more obvious conclusion must be that if there are more bombs being used around the world, there are more terrorists out there.
Draw your own conclusions about the effectiveness of George Bush's war on terr.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:16 amTom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Tax cuts benefiting inordinately the wealthy during war - good.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:17 amHumanitarian spending benefiting the fatally impoverished- bad.
.” The new survey found that “81 [percent] of respondents said they believed ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,’ up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2002.”
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And yet Bush resolutely continues to forge ahead in the wrong direction. He reminds me of the stereotypical guy who refuses to ask for directions and refuses to admit he's lost. And like that stereotypical guy we all hear about, he's not fooling anyone.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:19 amNicely hidden in the jobs report was that January and Febuary unemployment report was revised upwards by 67000. Don't be surprised next month when March is revised upwards by another 30,000...McBush has a plan though, he just ain't telling anyone about it...Isn't the president due to go on vacation? or at least tell us that the economy is "sound"
April 4th, 2008 at 9:21 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
He reminds me of the stereotypical guy who refuses to ask for directions and refuses to admit he’s lost.
I, a stereotypical guy, take this personally. What you say is absolutely true, of course, but to be reminded I might share a common trait with Genghis Bush is really troubling.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:23 amThese numbers were “more bleak than expected“; economists had predicted a decline “of 60,000 in non-farm payrolls and a rise in the unemployment rate to 5%."
These numbers are worse than that. Remember, if your unemployment runs out and you still haven't found a job, somehow you are magically no longer unemployed. I'll bet if the true number was known it would be closer to 10%.
Right now I know three people who have been unemployed for over a year.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am” The new survey found that “81 [percent] of respondents said they believed ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,’ up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2002.”
Well, there's always that 19% who are either too rich to care or to stupid to care what's going on with the rest of us.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:26 amTom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Oklahoma is the go-to state for America's wingnuts. They sure have their priorities in check. What a state.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:26 amIn 1983, McCain voted against passing a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of King. Four years later, then-Arizona Governor Evan Mecham rescinded Martin Luther King Day as a state holiday, saying it had been established through an illegal executive order by his Democratic predecessor.
McCain said he thought Mecham was correct in his decision.
Two years after that, McCain’s viewpoint began to change, but only gradually. In 1989, he urged lawmakers to make Martin Luther King Jr. day a state holiday, but said he was “still opposed to another federal holiday.”
Well we can see how McCain feels about Martin Luther King Day in his own words. He is always missing the point..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:28 amTom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Typical Republican. He would rather spend our money to kill people than to save them. Disgusting.
It's time for Congress to do something about the arcane rules they have that will allow one person to block legislation. That is definitely not democratic.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:28 amThe new survey found that “81 [percent] of respondents said they believed ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,’ up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2002.”
I am an optimist by nature (the beer glass is half full kinda guy), so you 19%'ers here, please explain to us how we are currently on the "right track", and how the Bush Administration has made this a wonderful and envious country the last 7 years.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:29 amDumb_Hussein_Fox Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:23 am
I, a stereotypical guy, take this personally. What you say is absolutely true, of course, but to be reminded I might share a common trait with Genghis Bush is really troubling.
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Oh dear -- I hope I didn't offend any of the guys here. When I said "stereotypical guy who refuses to ask for directions" I was referring to a characature that doesn't really exist, but everyone makes fun of. Sort of like the "dumb blonde" who resides in many a joke but also doesn't truly exist in real life.
I do know one guy (a friend of mine) who doesn't like asking for directions, but he will admit he took the wrong road after it's become painfully obvious to everyone around him. I can't say the same about Bush.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:29 amprogressisok Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:30 amAnother sock puppet???We're watching you.
Advocates said this would help as many as 500,000 people who will lose their houses, but Republicans as well as some Democrats were worried the proposal would be perceived as a "bailout" for people who got in over their heads with home loans.
So, even some Democrats think it is fine to bail out the predatory lenders but to hell with their victims. I would like to know who the Democrats were who voted against this bill.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:31 am“Members of Congress have as much as $196 million collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense Department, earning millions since the onset of the Iraq war,” according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
I would like to see a breakdown to see how many of these people are Democrats and how many are Republicans. Then I would like to see their voting record on the occupation of Iraq.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:32 amSort of like the “dumb blonde” who resides in many a joke but also doesn’t truly exist in real life.
Ummm, no! She exists alright! I dated her in the early 90's.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:34 amHuge mistake! She was eye candy, but that was about it. It was an ego boost, for sure, but she didn't stimulate my mind. As I grew older, I found that just as important as beauty, if not more so.
I can’t say the same about Bush.misshusseinmolly Says
April 4th, 2008 at 9:35 amYou mean "stay the course" bush. Who continued down the same road,past a wrong way sign,through wall, and over the cliff?
OT :
On the front page of TP there is a picture of Bush under "Bush Last Lap" : I couldn't help but think more people would be more happy with "Bush's Last Breath"...
April 4th, 2008 at 9:36 amOn Wednesday, the House voted “to triple to more than $10 billion a year U.S. humanitarian spending on fighting AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa and other stricken areas of the world.” Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Oh, I see, but no bid contracts on anything to do with the war or an illegal border fence is "responsible". No taxation without representation. No more spending our money when you break the people's laws to do it.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:37 amMolly @ 23
Don't worry at all! No offense taken. My obstinance is a problem I am still working on... And that caricature you mentioned, it exists. It's me. (Sometimes...)
BTW, Specialist f @ 28 has Bush nailed.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am#2 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda re: Gitmo trials----
Meanwhile the blighters in Old Blighty somehow manage to bring their suspected terrorists to public court, and do so in about two years—a time-frame typical to other types of cases. How’d they do that? Hmmmmm……
All the heavily publicized US plots have been farces from the get-go, whilst the Gitmo “detainees” against whom the US is supposed to have its strongest and most dramatic cases will have their “trials” essentially in camera.
Gitmo of course has been under a near complete news blackout
April 4th, 2008 at 9:38 amfrom day one. With all the other more visible problems the imperial Bush presidency have created and all the other laws they have broken neither the press nor the candidates are in a position to give the the crime of Gitmo the attention it deserves.
Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Chalk another one up to George Carlin's "OxyMorons" comedy bit!
April 4th, 2008 at 9:40 amprogressisok Says:
Another sock puppet???We’re watching you.
Yep, it's one of it 90 identities on TP. It will keep popping up here like a noxious weed until TP starts banning trolls by their IP address. I can't figure out if they just don't want to do that or don't know how. All they need to do is to go to a local high school computer class. Most students in the class can tell them how to block an IP address.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:41 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:28 am
It’s time for Congress to do something about the arcane rules they have that will allow one person to block legislation. That is definitely not democratic.
'Morning Bilbo,
Except when that 1 person is, someone like Chris Dodd or Russ Feingold, is all that stands in the way of VERY BAD illegal legislation like Telecomm Immunity!
No that rule has a place. It's time that the Human Beings that remain in Congress ridicule the sub-humaniods like the Jackass from Oklahoma and expose them for what they are!
April 4th, 2008 at 9:41 amAnother letter is written
April 4th, 2008 at 9:41 amspecialist f Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:35 am
I can’t say the same about Bush.misshusseinmolly Says
You mean “stay the course” bush. Who continued down the same road,past a wrong way sign,through wall, and over the cliff?
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Yes -- and without even blinking!
April 4th, 2008 at 9:41 am80,000 lost jobs...This is Clintons fault right? ;)
April 4th, 2008 at 9:42 amDRxJ Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:29 am
they can't...
April 4th, 2008 at 9:42 amThe Senate killed a housing bill that would have provided the most direct aid to homeowners facing foreclosure.
The provision, backed by consumer groups and leading Democrats, would have allowed bankruptcy judges to restructure mortgages — lowering principal and interest payments — for people facing foreclosure on their homes. Advocates said this would help as many as 500,000 people who will lose their houses.
They killed the bill because you didn't want the public to think you were going soft on homeowners who deliberately got in over their heads. That's their excuse. Most of them got tricked and lead into subprime loans. Please don't help the people...we might get the wrong impression that you actually care..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:45 amYou are right, Miss Molly; Bush refuses to budge an inch. It is also valuable to note that he and the Republicans have still managed to get most everything that they have said we needed to make things better. Despite gains in 2006, the Democrats have not succeeded in rolling back most of the disaterous policies that Bush imposed. Thus the blame for our current situation is crystal clear; it is a direct result of misguided/criminal Republican policies.
During the Reagan/Clinton years, the allocation of blame for problems and the credit for successes was debateable since Government was divided. But there can be no debate about the first six years of Bush. The Republicans had no impediments. They held all the cards and ran the show with autocratic fury - shutting off even the microphones of those who would speak against their policies.
Now that the consequences of their misrule are so apparent, it is time to make the tide turn decisively. We must retake the reins of government with majorities to prevent the obstructionism of the past two years. I think this means winning not just the Presidency, but enough of Congress to prevent the foot-dragging and dilution of the good we can do.
If 81% are dissatisfied, we need to do more than use the power of the blue states to squeak-by. We should make our case boldly and oust the worst of the entrenched Red-state cronies.
There has never been a better time for a strong nation-wide campaign. We could make this a sea-change election. We've been denied the impeachment which would have established the guilt of this administration. We need to insist that we are allowed a campaign which proves the practical consequences of their crimes. If we can't teach them a legal lesson, we need to inflict a practical lesson so that their excesses are not tried again.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:46 amIt's amazing how much this Administation has destroyed in 7 years. Bush as Gov in Texas destroyed their economy -- now this War Criminal is just doing it on a much grander scale. Not only has this Admin ruined our economy but our spirit. I just feel it. This great country was hijacked (literally) 8 years ago and stealthfully this Krime Kabal has set out with it's PNACian fangs and destroyed our spirit. This Admin is a cancer on this Great Country that must be stopped. And if McBush (100 years in Iraq) get's in: it's over folks. Economically, spiritually we are lost. But, also morally. Our standing in the world is almost nil because of "quaint" notions such as the Geneva Conventions. Anyone that still supports this neoCON agenda are either really rich, hate Muslims etc.
Unless we face the biggest lie of all and the Mother Issue of Our Time: 9/11 is a cover-up -- this country will never, ever heal. And we will continue to sink economically, spiritually and morally.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:47 amPeter C Says@41
April 4th, 2008 at 9:50 amYep,we have to give props to the spineless congressfolk(D and R)that gave the monkey the revolver. If more people had stood up to chimpy,maybe we wouldn't be in this Quagmire,as 5 deferment dick called it in 94.
Peter C Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am
If 81% are dissatisfied, we need to do more than use the power of the blue states to squeak-by. We should make our case boldly and oust the worst of the entrenched Red-state cronies.
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And the more McCain morphs his position to that of Bush, the easier he makes our job for us. He seems determined to capture the votes of that 19%, at the cost of abandoning every position he ever had that would appeal to any part of the 81%.
But you're right -- while it looks like victory is being laid in our laps, we must not let it get away.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:51 amJon Stewart rips on FOX News’ Chris Wallace for starting an “Obama Watch” clock — complete with “24?-like sound effects and ticker — that tracks how long it’s been since Obama promised he would appear on FOX News Sunday. Tweety catches flack too for some of the mindless questions he asked the Senator during Wednesday’s Hardball College Tour.
You go Jon...give Chris hell..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:53 amRegarding Coburn’s objection to humanitarian aid:
So I guess we can add some Africans (another 200,000 or so?) to the Iraq Body Count?
“The U.S. is on track to increase total assistance to Africa to $8.7 billion by 2010, double the level of assistance in 2004. In addition, the President's Malaria Initiative (PMI), launched in 2005, is adding to PEPFAR's efforts to combat disease in Africa and is estimated to have already reached 25 million people in Sub-Saharan Africa to help in the fight against malaria.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/africa/trip2008/
Why does Tom Coburn hate George Bush?
April 4th, 2008 at 9:55 amI would like to say on this saddened anniversary of MLK's assassination:
My parents taught me at an early age to respect others, no matter skin color, gender, or (now) sexuality. I thank them for teaching me equality, and tolerance (even my conservative, born again-Catholic mother).
My first true books that I read, over and over, were about Martin Luther King and Abe Lincoln. I was in awe (even in 4th grade), of his compassion for his beliefs (which I shared), and his goal of equality through non violence. Unfortunately, I was "cocooned" in an all white neighborhood as a child. I really didn't understand the struggles that he wanted set free, until I grew older.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:59 amMLK will always be my hero. He was a great man, a true Christian, a role model, and arguably, the most powerful man of 20th Century America.
We, as a nation, now more than ever, need more leaders like MLK!
What did we miss?
News results for Pelosi Olympics boycott on the table
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3659651.ece
Now I know why we can't impeach! Nancy doesn't have enough room on her table...
sheesh!
April 4th, 2008 at 9:59 amWORST PRESIDENT EVER Survey by historians..
In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.
Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.
At least two of those who ranked the current president in the 31-41 ranking made it clear that they placed him next-to-last, with only James Buchanan, in their view, being worse. “He is easily one of the 10-worst of all time and—if the magnitude of the challenges and opportunities matter—then probably in the bottom five, alongside Buchanan, Johnson, Fillmore, and Pierce,” wrote another historian.
Even the historians rank him in the bottom 5.. A very good place for him.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:02 amprogressisok Says
April 4th, 2008 at 10:08 amFlagged for being an OT sock puppet.
On the anniversary of the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.:
My favorite of his statements, and so painfully applicable even today:
"The past is prophetic in that it asserts loudly that wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows."
And is it true that he was only 39 years of age at his death? How much he accomplished in such a short period of time. How little we have learned in our old age.
RIP MLK Jr.. May your memory live long and strong, and may we yet learn from your wisdom and efforts.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:11 amRegarding Lincoln, DRxJ :
Lincoln actually had no intention of doing anything about the slaves--he declared so when he became president. The Civil War was not about slavery per se, but about politics and economics --the state of the Union. The SOuth made slavery an issue ( like the NRA constantly harping that "they wan;t to take away our guns" ). Lincoln took calculated advantage of that. I;d say the important thing was that he did not renege on the Emancipation. That MLK had to figth for practical equality and social justice a hundred years later, is testament to how inherently insincere Lincoln and many others really were. JFK accepted MLK's challenge and acted upon it and the modern Democrats coniued to repsent African Americans from then on.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:13 amIf you read a single article, I strongly suggest reading this one: False Flag Prospects, 2008 -- Top Three US Target Cities by Captain Eric H. May. The following are exerts:
Read this article. It’s quite frightening.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8165
And then this one for a little perspective on the Republicans Plan for a Double Whammy and why Obama scares the crap out of them so badly.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8412
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Kay Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 9:36 am
OT :
On the front page of TP there is a picture of Bush under “Bush Last Lap” : I couldn’t help but think more people would be more happy with “Bush’s Last Breath”…
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Most people just wish for the removal of politicians with whom they disagree. It's only the extremists who wish for their deaths. ;)
upright hussein left
April 4th, 2008 at 10:22 amRenault-Nissan, and California-based Project Better Place, are working together with the government of Israel to make the country oil independent by 2020. Denmark has already signed on to implement the sinews of this major electric car initiative.
In broad outline, Renault-Nissan will build cars powered by lithium-ion batteries running purely on electricity and delivering performance on par with a 1.6 liter gas engine. These electric car models will become available as of 2011. A key component will be the preparation and development of a national infrastructure to access electric power.
It is estimated electric power charging costs for the lifetime of this car will approximate the cost of fueling an equivalent gasoline powered vehicle for some two years at current gasoline prices.
Will it work? Yes, the cars here described will be limited in size and range (about 120 miles). But since when has evolving greater size and broader scale been an American limitation? Conceptually, it sets the broad outline of what could be replicated here. Especially now that the price of energy is pushing us toward recession and stagflation, and that Detroit and the American auto industry's business is at the lowest ebb in years, with U.S.-based automakers share of their home market dropping to only 48.4% of cars sold. What a boon it would be to have a renaissance of our historic "Detroit Arsenal", with our government and the automobile industry working together once again on a program critical to the nation's future.
I hope our leaders jump on the band wagon. Not only would this help our Global Warming Crisis, this country could be free of our shackels to all the BIG OIL Companies. We wouldn't be dependent on the Middle East for their oil anymore. We would have cleaner air and a better environment. I consider that a win win situation.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:23 am“Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s.” The new survey found that “81 [percent] of respondents said they believed ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,’
Let's have More of the Same™!
McCain '08!
April 4th, 2008 at 10:23 amYeah, like wishing someone would poison a Supreme Court Justice, right? Or calling for the assassination of a duly-elected foreign leader?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am#51 tired of being lied to-
Well put. He was a great man, with a beautiful vision of our future.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:27 amFreedom Rebel, I'm curious; does Denmark plan on using many small electical generation plants, to fuel these cars? I had always heard that since 1/3 of generated electricity is lost to resistance, it wasn't necessarily energy-efficient. Has Denmark overcome this obstacle?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:31 am#11:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:33 amGreat? It's a direct quote from the book of Isaiah--and familiar to anyone who's heard Handel's Messiah.
You seem easily pleased.
Most people just wish for the removal of politicians with whom they disagree. It’s only the extremists who wish for their deaths. ;)
At this point I believe most people think like me: after all the people that have died on this man's watch (9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) - a headline that talking about the Nazi Chimp's last breath -- I would breath a sigh of relief.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:37 amI write too fast :
A headline talking about the Nazi Chimp’s last breath – I would breath a sigh of relief.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am#60 barfly
Denmark plans to provide the power supply for electric cars with wind power. Israel is planning huge mirrors in the Negev Desert to capture the solar energy needed for its electric cars. With an extensive grid of plug-in locations there will be no need for lengthy charge periods so that charging up shouldn't take much more time than tanking up currently.
This is what Denmark and Israel plan to do. All this country needs to do is built an infrastructure for electric cars. They are going to have to change the mentality they currently have or it will be our ruination.
Even Europe has great Mass Transportion. This country is so far behind.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:42 amEveryone should flag this troll at every post. His post quoted above implies that Dr. King plagerized his "I have a dream" speach and it has been debunked repeatedly but this troll wants to try to besmirtch the reputation of a truly great American with lies and inuindo.
Please flag this un-American bigot starting at post #11
This poster does not deserve anyone's respect or reply.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:43 amralph the wonder llama Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
upright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Most people just wish for the removal of politicians with whom they disagree. It’s only the extremists who wish for their deaths.
Yeah, like wishing someone would poison a Supreme Court Justice, right? Or calling for the assassination of a duly-elected foreign leader?
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Exactly, it's only the extremists who wish for their deaths.
upright hussein left
April 4th, 2008 at 10:48 amThen I guess you can call me an extremist.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:50 amLink from Raw Story:
'No Sun link' to climate change
By Richard Black
Cloud cover affects temperature - but what determines cloud cover?
Scientists have produced further compelling evidence showing that modern-day climate change is not caused by changes in the Sun's activity.
The research contradicts a favoured theory of climate "sceptics", that changes in cosmic rays coming to Earth determine cloudiness and temperature.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:50 amUS Military Strike on Iran Set for the Week of April 6, 2008?
While developments such as any US military strike on Iran are difficult to predict with certainty, an array of factors the Editor considers to be potentially important have recently emerged such that the he felt a responsibility to issue this alert in good faith, intended to heighten awareness of the significantly increased possibility, even likelihood, that the US will soon act on Iran. The factors that obliged the Editor to issue this alert are listed below. The reader should be aware of these, evaluate their importance for his/her self, and watch unfolding developments closely as the week of April 6, 2008 approaches
http://www.geostrategymap.com/Free/Alert_080328.html
False flag? Conspiracy theory? There are logs of alarms going off in my head right now. I hope it's just a bunch of false flags.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:53 amupright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Exactly, it’s only the extremists who wish for their deaths.
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I have never ever heard GWB say that he wishes the death of Iraqis, nonetheless there were once one million alive before 2003.
Carpetbombing, torture and White Phosphorous is far more telling than a death wish...unless you are a hypocrite.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:53 amSorry, there are lots of alarms...darn fingers!
April 4th, 2008 at 10:54 amIEDs have been used in war since gunpowder was invented. I still have an old army manual on making IEDs.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:54 amWhat bullshit...
Exactly, it’s only the extremists who wish for their deaths.
This assumes that no leader in history ever deserved to die for their acts. Is that also your assertion?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:55 amBut there have been 0 conservatives actually assasinated in the US for political reasons......
We have had several progressives murdered in public for political reasons in recent history. I did the math on this in the 60's.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:56 amI must not be an extremist -- I don't wish Dubya dead, nor do I wish anyone dead. I DO wish Dubya GONE -- someplace where he doesn't have the power or ability to harm anyone. Same goes for Cheney.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:57 amI see downright wrong is busy spreading fertilizer again this morning.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:58 amIf Bush -or Cheney died this is how I'd respond (very Darthian) : "So."
April 4th, 2008 at 10:58 am65Fred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:00 amThank you Fred. You know there are people here that are right of center. They usually have reasoned thought out posts that while alot of us disagree with,we respect them. Keltoi, and even Exley come to mind. But this idiot doesn't deserve an ounce of our respect because it's an idiot with no honor. We can usually spot it's drivel by the grammar,spelling errors,and overall goofiness! Flag it and move on!
This should be illegal. It is obviously immoral and they should be called on it.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:00 amJuan C. Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:53 am
upright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Exactly, it’s only the extremists who wish for their deaths.
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I have never ever heard GWB say that he wishes the death of Iraqis, nonetheless there were once one million alive before 2003.
Carpetbombing, torture and White Phosphorous is far more telling than a death wish…unless you are a hypocrite.
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None of which changes the fact that most people wish for the removal, rather than the death, of politicians with whom they disagree.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:02 amI am not going to apologize for my "extreme" point of view. It doesn't phase me in the least that people think of me as extreme.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:05 amIED is another one of these made up terms. As someone says above, an IED is simply a bomb. They are "improvised" to the extent that they are not off-the-shelf bombs, but even that is deceptive. An IED may be an off-the-shelf bomb which is being used improperly, like a land mine placed on its side.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:08 amI really was not going to indulge uptight righty with his "extremist" accusation, but alas, work is slow today, so I must (I must):
April 4th, 2008 at 11:08 amPer definition, I am an extremist. I do not wish, or advocate the death of our dear (snark) leader. But, when I think of the young sons and daughters who will never again play with their fathers (or mothers), when I think of the horrific deaths to innocent civilian in Iraq, when I think of the irresponsible response that lead to thousands of deaths in New Orleans, all caused by this man, then yes, a fantasy of Bush's last breath causing no more pain or agony in this world is justifiable, and actually, quite healthy.
By the way, and in which no way can be proven, I wonder how many "righties" here wished for the Clinton's last breath in the 90's. I mean, slick Willie was like Michael Myers in "Halloween". No matter how many times they tried to kill him, he just kept getting up (and being more popular than ever!)
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Kay Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I am not going to apologize for my “extreme” point of view. It doesn’t phase me in the least that people think of me as extreme.
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I didn't expect any change. The only reason that I bothered to point it out is because moderates find such statements, wishing illness and death on those with whom you disagree, to be distasteful and out of place in civil discussion. You drive away people who agree with you on some issues. It won't matter in this election because people want so badly for the war to end. But when there is a close race, such things can drive people to vote for the opposition.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:12 amWhat the hell is the President of the US doing, meeting with extremists?
I trust uptight wrong voiced his disapproval of meetings such as this.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:14 amNone of which changes the fact that most people wish for the removal, rather than the death, of politicians with whom they disagree.
I'll repeat: This assumes that no leader in history ever deserved to die for their acts. Is that also your contention?
No reasoning person could deny that in history, there were definitely leaders who deserved to die for their acts. In Nazi Germany, "most people" didn't wish for Hitler's death, because they didn't know the true extent of his crimes against humanity. People alive at the time who knew these acts were carried out, and wished the person responsible to get justice for his heinous acts, could hardly be considered out of the mainstream, so Upright's "most people" presupposes that "most people," means those who don't know the full extent of what's going on.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:16 amWhen I fantasize about the Nazi Chimp's last breath -- I think of all the men and women that have died for a LIE in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think of all the people in New Orleans during Katrina. I think of people perishing in the Trade Towers. I think of all the people losing their homes during this mortgage crisis. I think of all the Iraqi refugees. I think of the conditions at Walter Reed Hospital. I think of seniors having to take half a dose of their medication. I think of the loved ones left behind after 9/11. I think of the men and women coming home from Iraq with no limbs.
Last breath sounds good to me.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:17 amOh, see.... we had uptight all wrong. He's really just concerned for us and our ability to make our arguments effectively.
How sweet.
Thanks for you heartfelt concern. Truly.
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DRxJ Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
By the way, and in which no way can be proven, I wonder how many “righties” here wished for the Clinton’s last breath in the 90’s. I mean, slick Willie was like Michael Myers in “Halloween”. No matter how many times they tried to kill him, he just kept getting up (and being more popular than ever!)
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I agree there were probably lots righty extremists who wished for Clinton's death.
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ralph the wonder llama Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Thanks for you heartfelt concern. Truly.
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Anytime. ;)
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:21 amI don't want Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, etc dead, I WANT THEM CONVICTED! I want them repudiated to such an extent that their supporters slink to the shadows and live their lives in obscurity and far from the levers of power. I want them scorned by the public and held up as examples for those who would contemplate their crimes in the future.
If we'd had been smart, we'd have captured and convicted Osama bin Laden in the same way. We'd have put him on trial and shown him condemned by all religions and facets of civilized society. That would have done so much more to end terrorism than our immoral assault in the name of our hypocritical "struggle against violent islamic extremeism" or whatever the current excuse-de-jour seems to be.
The Iraq War and occupation is a war crime; it must be punished.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 amBut when there is a close race, such things can drive people to vote for the opposition.
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Awwwwww... he's "concerned" for us, guys.
***sniff...***
I'm touched... no, really, I am.
Hey, Wrongie... I got some "concern" for ya, RIGHT HERE!
(hypocritical, pus-filled little poison toad, isn't he?)
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 amBut when there is a close race, such things can drive people to vote for the opposition.
Yup. I guess this will drive people to vote for McBush (a.k.a
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 amMcBomb, McWars, McSenile etc)
I agree there were probably lots righty extremists who wished for Clinton’s death.
And in that specific case, they would be extremists.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 amok.
Last breath after the conviction.
i'll take that, too.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:23 amAnd speaking of polls:
Bush job approval:
Pollster - date(s) - Approve - Disapprove - Huh? - Diff
CBS/New York Times - 3/28 - 4/2/08 - 28 - 64 - 8 - -36
Pew - 3/19-22/08 - 28 - 63 - 9 - -35
Heckuva job, chympie!
April 4th, 2008 at 11:24 amBilbo Hussein Baggins at 9:41 am
... until TP starts banning trolls by their IP address.
i'm all for eliminating pests... but, isn't an IP address shared by many? ...
April 4th, 2008 at 11:24 ami really don't know... surely someone here does...
eh?
upright left please address this before attacking anyone.
talk is cheap......
But there have been 0 conservatives actually assasinated in the US for political reasons……
We have had several progressives murdered in public for political reasons in recent history. I did the math on this in the 60’s.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:24 amThe Iraq War and occupation is a war crime; it must be punished.
Follow that line of reasoning to it's conclusion. Hitler escaped the tribunal, but his lieutenants did not. Would it have been extremist at that time to wish justice to be carried out for all their victims?
April 4th, 2008 at 11:26 amSenate drops bankruptcy aid from housing plan
Judges could have altered mortgages of homeowners facing foreclosure
Republicans and business-friendly Democrats on Thursday scuttled a plan to give people threatened with losing their homes more leverage in winning favorable loan terms from their lenders in bankruptcy courts.
The Senate killed the bankruptcy plan by a 58-36 vote on the first full day of debate on a bill designed to boost the slumping housing market.
The Democratic-backed bankruptcy law changes, opposed by banks and their GOP allies and a handful of Democrats, would have given judges the power to cut interest rates and principal on troubled mortgages to help desperate borrowers trapped in subprime mortgages keep their homes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23944893/
200 billion for crimminal lender corporations but no help to cash strapped home owners. Any questions?
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Peter C Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
I don’t want Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, etc dead, I WANT THEM CONVICTED! I want them repudiated to such an extent that their supporters slink to the shadows and live their lives in obscurity and far from the levers of power. I want them scorned by the public and held up as examples for those who would contemplate their crimes in the future.
If we’d had been smart, we’d have captured and convicted Osama bin Laden in the same way. We’d have put him on trial and shown him condemned by all religions and facets of civilized society. That would have done so much more to end terrorism than our immoral assault in the name of our hypocritical “struggle against violent islamic extremeism” or whatever the current excuse-de-jour seems to be.
The Iraq War and occupation is a war crime; it must be punished.
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A fair statement that moderates can respect and that doesn't raise questions about the aims and true feelings of the one who makes it.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:27 amI guess you can call *me* an extremist as well, because I dream of the day when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, both convicted of treason and war crimes, are executed for their crimes against humanity by a firing squad.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:29 amAnd downright ugly, go peddle yer papers on Redstate.com and freerepublic.
That's where the *real* ugly extremists hang out.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:31 amSo fantasizing about the Nazi Chimp's last breath is not moderate. Which I accept.
But this does raise questions about my aims and true feelings.
Not a chance. My true feelings are on the table. Clear and simple.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:31 amModerates don't murder people in the streets without a trial. Only right wing extremists in the US have had that propensity.
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Fred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
upright left please address this before attacking anyone.
talk is cheap……
But there have been 0 conservatives actually assasinated in the US for political reasons……
We have had several progressives murdered in public for political reasons in recent history. I did the math on this in the 60’s.
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I didn't attack anyone. I simply pointed out that most people don't wish death on our unpopular elected officials. I'm sorry that I can't explain the mind of an assassin to you.
I assume you are alluding to conspiracy being behind the deaths of liberal politicians. It's entirely possible. I've not seen conclusive evidence.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:36 amA fair statement that moderates can respect and that doesn’t raise questions about the aims and true feelings of the one who makes it.
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How curious. He seems to be laboring under the impression that somebody here CARES what he has to say.
Not... very... quick... on the uptake, huh?
April 4th, 2008 at 11:36 ammaybe, just maybe, we ARE reaching someone...
April 4th, 2008 at 11:39 ameh?
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Kay Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am
So fantasizing about the Nazi Chimp’s last breath is not moderate. Which I accept.
But this does raise questions about my aims and true feelings.
Not a chance. My true feelings are on the table. Clear and simple.
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It's not your aims regarding Bush that are called into question. It's the liberal claim of the desire for fairness, tolerance, respect for the opinions of others and love for your fellow man. It implies that those things are reserved for those with whom you agree.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:40 amanother good MLK read:
What if the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. had lived?
(AP) -- The preacher in him would have continued speaking out against injustice, war and maybe even pop culture. He would likely not have run for president. He probably would have endured more harassment from J. Edgar Hoover.
Four decades after the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. fell to an assassin's bullet, colleagues and biographers offer many answers to the question: What if he had lived?
April 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am[...]
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/04/03/mlk.what.if.king.lived.ap/
So, DownrightUgly, I guess you and yours were "extremists" for wishing death on Saddam Hussein, eh...?
Or is that ...different?
April 4th, 2008 at 11:44 amIt implies that those things are reserved for those with whom you agree.
And upright's strawman's ragged pants falls to it's ankles...
As always, the concern trolls really attempt to show liberal hypocrisy, and succeed only in showing the bareness of their argument. Thanks for ducking me, Lefty. Nothing else says intellectual cowardice quite like ignoring someone.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:48 amThis is my point: I am not advocating the "speeding up of the process" for the Nazi Chimp to die. I just fantasize about his last breath. Whether it's from the stress of being convicted in front of a World Court for Crimes Against Humanity, what have you or from too much booze. (i.e.)
April 4th, 2008 at 11:48 amPosted thread:
Your Response:
then you say:
sounds like an attack to me....sounds like you are accusing them of being extremists.
I wished Nixon a horrible death which he sorely deserved.....it happened to work out that way...I am glad.
Wishing and waiting for the day are not the same as active participation in making something happen.
You act like you don't believe in capital punishment. I personally believe that there are people who need killing for the crimes they commit but I don't trust any system to be just enough to not make mistakes......I can live with them being in prison for life.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:48 amWishing and waiting for the day are not the same as active participation in making something happen
exactly.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:50 amOn Wednesday, the House voted “to triple to more than $10 billion a year U.S. humanitarian spending on fighting AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa and other stricken areas of the world.” Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Two thinkings come to my mind: 1) There wasn't a war going on against AIDS alredy? 2) AIDS is an incurable disease, present in the USA. Isn't being "for" USA security fighting against AIDS all around the world?
“A bipartisan group of 20 senators unveiled a $6 billion bill that would extend renewable-energy tax credits for one year” that could “save as much as $20 billion in new project investment planned by renewable-energy companies.”
But Bush will veto it. Why? Because environment is too faggy for its voters.
The Senate killed a housing proposal sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) by a vote of 58-36 “that would have provided the most direct aid to homeowners facing foreclosure,” instead “keeping alive a delicate compromise on a sweeping housing bill.”
Americans are so fond of their payed taxes, yet let this idiot deny the money to their legitime owners in times of distress, only to favor his corporate buddies?
“Members of Congress have as much as $196 million collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense Department, earning millions since the onset of the Iraq war,” according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
You know? Responsible countries have laws against this behavior, usually called something like Incompatibility Laws. Because is an acepted immoral and criminal behavior since hundreds of years ago, no matter how is disguised.
And finally: House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) has “returned from Libya with a new pair of sunglasses courtesy of his host, Col. Muammar Gaddafi. … En route to Tripoli, Boehner’s plane was diverted to Surt, Gaddafi’s hometown on the Gulf of Sidra.” Boehner eventually met the colonel inside “a big white tent” in the desert. At one point, a Gaddafi aide “entered the tent with a box of sunglasses.” Gaddafi told Boehner that the “desert [is] not kind to blue eyes.”
It's curious how Republicans dismiss diplomacy with allies but are really cozy with all the dictators, despots and seriall killers they find. It's the way to be isolated when these dictators bite the hand of the USA, and you find your (former) allies are really pissed at you, because you rejected to hear half an hour more their words.
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L. Hussein Annie Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
So, DownrightUgly, I guess you and yours were “extremists” for wishing death on Saddam Hussein, eh…?
Or is that …different?
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I wanted Hussein removed from power and tried for the horror that he inflicted on the Iraqi people and the world. That was done. I wouldn't object to procedings against Bush. That's different than wishing he was dead.
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April 4th, 2008 at 11:52 amOh, puhlease. Mere semantics.
You're just another tiresome, hypocritical troll attempting to hold we on the left to a different standard than the hatemongers on the right.
Take your stupid sanctimonious fingerwagging over to Rush Limbaugh, to Michael Savage, to Ann Coulter, chastize all the hatemongers on the right - and then maybe - just maybe - we'll take you seriously.
Until then, STFU.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am115 Annie
Like we could ever attain their level of hatred even if we wanted to. They are called the party of hatred and death for a reason.....
April 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pmOh, and the next time and idiot says "But Obama is muslim", here you have a new that will mute the bigmouthed:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/17253794.html
And a better picture:
http://www.elperiodico.com/vivo/recursos/fotos/foto_279/foto_279300_CAS.jpg
Yes, its Obama degusting Spanish cured (with salt) PIG ham. Curiourly, muslims don't eat or touch pig, much less not cooked one.
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Fred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
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My use of the word extremist was meant to show how moderates react to people who wish for, or express joy about, the death of someone with whom they disagree politically. I don't oppose the death penalty. Neither do I experience happiness at the death of the criminal, no matter how heinous the crime.
Tony Snow made no policies regarding Iraq, yet libs were gleeful over his cancer diagnosis and apparent suffering. Even if he knowingly lied for Bush, he isn't personally responsible for the suffering or death of anyone. Yet libs felt completely justifed in wishing him continued suffering and death. That's not the desire of a person who cares for his fellow man. That's the desire of a hateful person who reserves his caring for those who agree with him and those who can be used by him. Libs claim to be all about caring. Seems there is more than enough hypocrisy to go around. ;)
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L. Hussein Annie Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Oh, puhlease. Mere semantics.
You’re just another tiresome, hypocritical troll attempting to hold we on the left to a different standard than the hatemongers on the right.
Take your stupid sanctimonious fingerwagging over to Rush Limbaugh, to Michael Savage, to Ann Coulter, chastize all the hatemongers on the right - and then maybe - just maybe - we’ll take you seriously.
Until then, STFU.
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The usual response of libs when someone points out their hypocrisy regarding how caring they are and how they are so different from the extreme right. I thought you held yourselves to a higher standard than the extreme right. The truth is uncomfortable sometimes, eh, Annie? ;)
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April 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pmupright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
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Fred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
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My use of the word extremist was meant to show how moderates react to people who wish for, or express joy about, the death of someone with whom they disagree politically. I don’t oppose the death penalty. Neither do I experience happiness at the death of the criminal, no matter how heinous the crime.
Tony Snow made no policies regarding Iraq, yet libs were gleeful over his cancer diagnosis and apparent suffering. Even if he knowingly lied for Bush, he isn’t personally responsible for the suffering or death of anyone. Yet libs felt completely justifed in wishing him continued suffering and death. That’s not the desire of a person who cares for his fellow man. That’s the desire of a hateful person who reserves his caring for those who agree with him and those who can be used by him. Libs claim to be all about caring. Seems there is more than enough hypocrisy to go around. ;)
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In fact, your use of the words extremist and moderate. As the usual use of "angry" on the Democrats by the Republicans when voice their dissent. Republicans are more war prone and like to act tough, and favor "tough love" doctrines, and are far less kind rejecting oppostion ideas, and these are facts, and facts that Republican pride themselves of practice at every minute. Frankly I find these behaviors far more violent, yet the Republicans aren't described as often as "angry" as the Democrats. Why? Thanks to a PR campaing crated by the Republicans to distort and picture the Democrats in a disfavorable light.
Why I say all this? Because you're trying to make the same with the world extremist, trying to pin it to the ones on the left of you (by now the 81% of Americans).
Frankly, your many posts only show a thing, and it's not that Democrats here are "angry" or "extremists", but that you're a dishonest debater.
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Frankly, your many posts only show a thing, and it’s not that Democrats here are “angry” or “extremists”, but that you’re a dishonest debater.
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I know, evil, anyone who doesn't agree completely with the liberal line is a dishonset debater. I believe Kay, who appears to be a liberal, was even called a troll by a fellow liberal for failing to follow the accepted lib line on an issue. You didn't address my original point, which was that most people wish for the removal, rather than the death, of politicians with whom they disagree. Most of the "by now the 81% of Americans" would find wishing death to politicians to be distasteful.
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April 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pmYou say that like it is true and you can prove it......please do. I personally believe snow's cancer is appropriate karma for the choices he made.
Don't lecture lib's as you call us (funny when you try to come off as a moderate) about caring. You are standing on shifting sand.
Your party is the party of hatred and death and you hold a patent on hypocrocy.......you just want to attack because if you try to defend you wind up in a corner......
Tony Snow was and is a propaganda outlet for this criminal administration. There will be no true justice where these criminals are concerned and what you out of choice interpret as hatred is in fact frustration at the lack of justice.....
April 4th, 2008 at 12:23 pmupright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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Frankly, your many posts only show a thing, and it’s not that Democrats here are “angry” or “extremists”, but that you’re a dishonest debater.
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I know, evil, anyone who doesn’t agree completely with the liberal line is a dishonset debater.
Thanks for proving my point so quickly.
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Fred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
You say that like it is true and you can prove it……please do. I personally believe snow’s cancer is appropriate karma for the choices he made.
Don’t lecture lib’s as you call us (funny when you try to come off as a moderate) about caring. You are standing on shifting sand.
Your party is the party of hatred and death and you hold a patent on hypocrocy…….you just want to attack because if you try to defend you wind up in a corner……
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I see no need to go back through the Snow threads and copy comments for you. We all know they are there and are readily available to you if you somehow managed to miss them all. The new search feature works much better than the old one. It won't take you long at all. Is the karma comment meant to excuse happiness at the suffereing of others? Not very caring, I must say.
As for my party, I was unaware that there is a moderate party. I thought we just have to try to find suitable candidates among the Dems, Repubs and the ocassional sane Independent.
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Evil Spaniard Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
upright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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Evil Spaniard Says:
Frankly, your many posts only show a thing, and it’s not that Democrats here are “angry” or “extremists”, but that you’re a dishonest debater.
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I know, evil, anyone who doesn’t agree completely with the liberal line is a dishonset debater.
Thanks for proving my point so quickly.
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I'll attribute that to the language difference and leave that one alone. ;)
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April 4th, 2008 at 12:38 pmfrom swimming freestyle:
Two disappointing and, undoubtedly, related statistics. And stinging indictments of a Bush Administration that is so ideologically bent on deregulation, they've given up any stewardship of the American economy. As a consequence, we continue to drift towards an economic downturn European analysts refer to as depression-like while Mr. Bernanke dances nervously in Congressional hearings afraid to say the "R" word and President Bush goes AWOL to a NATO conference. It will require some real Houdini like moves on the part of the Administration and their minions to squirm out of accountability for this gigantic mess.
Democrats need to loudly remind voters the consequences of leaders allowing outdated and disproven ideological considerations to interfere with the business of managing the government and the, now obvious, implications for the American people.
Loudly. Very loudly.
http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com
April 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pmRighties have a very badly messed-up backyard to take care of before they can start looking around to their neighbors' yards launching criticisms.
Real conservatives should have their public mouths shut, and their private ones working overtime to clean house and restore some of the tons of credibility they've lost in recent years.
Until that is done, judgemental sanctimony directed from Right to Left will be no more than laughed at, and taken as confirmation that whomever is flinging it from the right is merely an asshat wingnut dittohead.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:54 pmOn Wednesday, the House voted “to triple to more than $10 billion a year U.S. humanitarian spending on fighting AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in Africa and other stricken areas of the world.” Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now said that he will block the bill in the Senate, calling it “irresponsible” to spend so much on these humanitarian issues “in the middle of a war.”
Actually, it's irresponsible to spend so much on war when we're in the middle of dealing with humanitarian issues.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pmUpright, you just go ahead and chase your tail. I'm through with your slant on things.
You want to make liberals out to be hateful human beings compared to what? Republicans!! Seriously. Give it up, that is a fools errand. Oh yeah.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:57 pmMembers of Congress have as much as $196 million collectively invested in companies doing business with the Defense Department, earning millions since the onset of the Iraq war,” according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
Which is why we're still in Iraq -- there's profit to be made!
April 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pmFred
April 4th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
There is no one better suited to a fool's errand than upright left.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pmZooey Says 127
Hey Zooey, how come it wasn't irresponsible to issue huge tax cuts in the middle of a ""WAR""
April 4th, 2008 at 1:02 pmFred Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Zooey Says 127
Hey Zooey, how come it wasn’t irresponsible to issue huge tax cuts in the middle of a “”WAR”"
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April 4th, 2008 at 1:07 pmupright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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Evil Spaniard Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
upright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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Evil Spaniard Says:
Frankly, your many posts only show a thing, and it’s not that Democrats here are “angry” or “extremists”, but that you’re a dishonest debater.
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I know, evil, anyone who doesn’t agree completely with the liberal line is a dishonset debater.
Thanks for proving my point so quickly.
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I’ll attribute that to the language difference and leave that one alone. ;)
upright hussein left
So you believe blanket statements aren't dishonest or maybe you believe I don't see your duplicity over the language barrier?
He, dishonest and pedant.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:25 pmupright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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As for my party, I was unaware that there is a moderate party. I thought we just have to try to find suitable candidates among the Dems, Repubs and the ocassional sane Independent.
upright hussein left
Oh, and this is really rich. Matey, you've being posting here for years now, and the adjective that I would choose for ideology isn't moderate. And, "moderate" what? This simple adjective means nothing, and everything if you don't describe to what is related. You want "moderate" tax cuts? Or "moderate" tax hikes? Etc.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:29 pm*ideology* = *your ideology*
April 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pmNot for the faint of heart:
What would you do with your first Social Security check?
April 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pmHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) has "returned from Libya with a new pair of sunglasses courtesy of his host, Col. Muammar Gaddafi. ... En route to Tripoli, Boehner's plane was diverted to Surt, Gaddafi's hometown on the Gulf of Sidra." Boehner eventually met the colonel inside "a big white tent" in the desert. At one point, a Gaddafi aide "entered the tent with a box of sunglasses." Gaddafi told Boehner that the "desert [is] not kind to blue eyes."
So now the House Minority Leader is visiting, and accepting gifts from, a proven terrorist? The man Saint Reagan proclaimed to be, "the mad dog of the Mideast".
But, as a friend pointed out to me, "we have always been at war with Eurasia".
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Evil Spaniard Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
upright left Says:
April 4th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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As for my party, I was unaware that there is a moderate party. I thought we just have to try to find suitable candidates among the Dems, Repubs and the ocassional sane Independent.
upright hussein left
Oh, and this is really rich. Matey, you’ve being posting here for years now, and the adjective that I would choose for ideology isn’t moderate. And, “moderate” what? This simple adjective means nothing, and everything if you don’t describe to what is related. You want “moderate” tax cuts? Or “moderate” tax hikes? Etc.
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Evil, I'm sure your definition of far right is anyone who is a Christian and who opposes abortion. I'm moderate because I want the govt to do more to help those who can't care for themselves while requiring that those who can, do. I want our people out of Iraq. I want taxes on the wealthy increased but not dramatically. We don't need to punish success, we just need everyone to pay their fair share. I want taxes increased slightly overall to get rid of the deficit. I want the govt to help everyone get healthcare without putting govt in charge of healthcare. I want the govt to take decisive action on the immigration problem so that we don't have huge numbers of people crossing the border illegally and we do provide work permits for the millions that want to work here. I do believe that abortion is murder, but I accept the fact that our society has chosen to protect the right to kill unborn children. I have never based my vote on that issue. I accept the fact that there are some areas where govt interference and regulation are necessary. I don't think bigger govt is the key to all our problems. Perhaps one of the main positions that makes a person moderate is not demonizing people who hold opposing views. ;)
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April 5th, 2008 at 1:15 am