Comments on: McCain repeats false claim ‘Sadr declared the ceasefire.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:20:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteries http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-5284648 batteries Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:29:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-5284648 Who can these messages possibly be for except the loyal 20% who will believe anything mccain and fox tell them…..they won’t question anything. Beyond that who do they hope to fool? I know there are a lot of people who aren’t paying any attention and get all of their info from the TV but mccain can’t get away with these lies for much longer on msm because there will be democratic pundits who will expose lies like this…… Is this just desperation? I think it must be. I would be more concerned if the 2006 election <a href="http://www.batteryfast.com/toshiba/satellite-m40.htm" rel="nofollow">toshiba satellite m40 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batteryfast.com/toshiba/satellite-m45.htm" rel="nofollow">toshiba satellite m45 battery</a> was not behind us as a marker that the American people are now paying more attention. Who can these messages possibly be for except the loyal 20% who will believe anything mccain and fox tell them…..they won’t question anything.

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]]> By: paulw http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4791452 paulw Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:44:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4791452 When the crack down on Basra began, al-Maliki vowed there'd be no backing down, that <i>the Basra campaign would be seen through to military victory.</i> Clearly, and by <i>most</i> people's standards, Basra represented an embarrasing defeat for al-Maliki and the fact that McCain could declare otherwise proves yet again that he believes only what he wants to believe and is not about to let <i>facts get in his way. http://progressiveworldreview.com</i> When the crack down on Basra began, al-Maliki vowed there’d be no backing down, that the Basra campaign would be seen through to military victory. Clearly, and by most people’s standards, Basra represented an embarrasing defeat for al-Maliki and the fact that McCain could declare otherwise proves yet again that he believes only what he wants to believe and is not about to let facts get in his way.

http://progressiveworldreview.com

]]> By: thirdparty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4785362 thirdparty Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:59:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4785362 As to McCain's point on the Iraqi army performance, I don't think his comment is wholly unreasonable. While TP rightly notes the desertions and the fact that the army needed US backing, they were reportedly very successful in some areas that we often overlook. For instance: <blockquote><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/32055.html" rel="nofollow">In Basra Mahdi Army militants fought to keep their strongholds but were overrun by Iraqi Security Force in the eastern neighborhood of Tanuma.</a></blockquote> As to McCain’s point on the Iraqi army performance, I don’t think his comment is wholly unreasonable. While TP rightly notes the desertions and the fact that the army needed US backing, they were reportedly very successful in some areas that we often overlook. For instance:

In Basra Mahdi Army militants fought to keep their strongholds but were overrun by Iraqi Security Force in the eastern neighborhood of Tanuma.

]]> By: thirdparty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4785328 thirdparty Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:56:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4785328 I would also keep this in mind: <blockquote><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/32055.html" rel="nofollow">Ali al Adeeb, a member of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's Dawa party, and Hadi al Ameri, the head of the Badr Organization, the military wing of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, had two aims, lawmakers said: to ask Sadr to stand down his militia <strong>and to ask Iranian officials to stop supplying weapons to Shiite militants in Iraq.</strong></a></blockquote> I would also keep this in mind:

Ali al Adeeb, a member of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki’s Dawa party, and Hadi al Ameri, the head of the Badr Organization, the military wing of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, had two aims, lawmakers said: to ask Sadr to stand down his militia and to ask Iranian officials to stop supplying weapons to Shiite militants in Iraq.

]]> By: thirdparty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4785294 thirdparty Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:53:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4785294 <blockquote>Fred Says: April 6th, 2008 at 3:16 pm thirdparty What is it about facts that elude you? Nowhere on you link does it say that Sadr called for the ceasfire. It only says that he ordered his army to stop fighting.</blockquote> Read the headline.

Fred Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

thirdparty
What is it about facts that elude you? Nowhere on you link does it say that Sadr called for the ceasfire. It only says that he ordered his army to stop fighting.

Read the headline.

]]> By: Chris L http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4774254 Chris L Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:34:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4774254 thirdparty: That was only after the deal had been set in place between him and the Dawa Party. He only declared the cease fire after Maliki had agreed to his 9 conditions, including the release of JAM prisoners. thirdparty:

That was only after the deal had been set in place between him and the Dawa Party. He only declared the cease fire after Maliki had agreed to his 9 conditions, including the release of JAM prisoners.

]]> By: Ditch Mitch KY http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4774214 Ditch Mitch KY Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:31:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4774214 Who will ask the hard questions when Petraeus appears before Congress on Tuesday and Wednesday? Not Sen. John McWar -- he doesn't have a freakin' clue about what is going on in Bush's colony of Iraq. Who will ask the hard questions when Petraeus appears before Congress on Tuesday and Wednesday? Not Sen. John McWar — he doesn’t have a freakin’ clue about what is going on in Bush’s colony of Iraq.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4774040 Fred Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:16:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4774040 thirdparty What is it about facts that elude you? Nowhere on you link does it say that Sadr called for the ceasfire. It only says that he ordered his army to stop fighting. thirdparty
What is it about facts that elude you? Nowhere on you link does it say that Sadr called for the ceasfire. It only says that he ordered his army to stop fighting.

]]> By: thirdparty http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4773386 thirdparty Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:20:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4773386 Technically speaking, Sadr did declare the ceasefire. <blockquote><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/alsadr-calls-ceasefire-after-six-days-of-clashes-802735.html" rel="nofollow">Muqtada al-Sadr called on his Mehdi Army militia to stop fighting Iraqi government forces in a surprise move after six days of clashes. The Shia cleric also demanded that the government cease arresting his followers and release those detained.</a></blockquote> Technically speaking, Sadr did declare the ceasefire.

Muqtada al-Sadr called on his Mehdi Army militia to stop fighting Iraqi government forces in a surprise move after six days of clashes. The Shia cleric also demanded that the government cease arresting his followers and release those detained.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4773084 Doc Rock Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:53:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4773084 Let's call him <strong><em>St. John the Revisionist</em></strong>! Let’s call him St. John the Revisionist!

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4772954 tombaker Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:41:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4772954 "My friends - I <em>just say</em> things. Because I am a "hero", no one can question the things I <em>just say</em>, and no one should. Behold my boundless vanity, and understand that I will, necessarily, be your President." (because lots of crooked defense contractors want it that way, and enough Americans are dumb enough to believe the things I just say). “My friends – I just say things. Because I am a “hero”, no one can question the things I just say, and no one should. Behold my boundless vanity, and understand that I will, necessarily, be your President.” (because lots of crooked defense contractors want it that way, and enough Americans are dumb enough to believe the things I just say).

]]> By: Jaded Prole http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4772266 Jaded Prole Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:51:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4772266 <a href="http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=1265&thisview=item#" rel="nofollow">the real story</a> the real story

]]> By: Jaded Prole http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4772240 Jaded Prole Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:49:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4772240 Here is a better take on the ceasefire. Here is a better take on the ceasefire.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771966 Badger Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:27:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771966 Sorry... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/6/11438/33254/238/490991 Sorry…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/6/11438/33254/238/490991

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771928 Badger Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:23:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771928 From: "Is Petraeus trying to start war with Iran?" The violence in Iraq was stopped. Not by Maliki, but by Al Sadr. And who brokered the deal? An Iranian general! Now why would he do that? Maybe he knows why the violence was started in the first place. http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 4/ 6/ 11438/ 33254/ 238/ 490991 From: “Is Petraeus trying to start war with Iran?”

The violence in Iraq was stopped. Not by Maliki, but by Al Sadr. And who brokered the deal?

An Iranian general! Now why would he do that? Maybe he knows why the violence was started in the first place.

http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 4/ 6/ 11438/ 33254/ 238/ 490991

]]> By: williamf http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771918 williamf Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:23:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771918 I have read some materials (forgive me I can't remember the blog-If I do I'll post the name of it) that indicate the Maliki government approached a high profile religious leader in Iran to help with the Basra situation. It appears that this highly respected religious Shiite was a major factor in arranging a cease fire. Where "Snow Job" and McClone get that someone won or lost or quit first, I don't know, but they are so desparate for their politics to win in Iraq that they'll just pee all over themselves if they can grab a situation and make a good sound bite out of it. These guys, especially McCain are so obvious they look like fools. If they think this Iraq think is anywhere near over they are totally deluded. I have read some materials (forgive me I can’t remember the blog-If I do I’ll post the name of it) that indicate the Maliki government approached a high profile religious leader in Iran to help with the Basra situation. It appears that this highly respected religious Shiite was a major factor in arranging a cease fire. Where “Snow Job” and McClone get that someone won or lost or quit first, I don’t know, but they are so desparate for their politics to win in Iraq that they’ll just pee all over themselves if they can grab a situation and make a good sound bite out of it. These guys, especially McCain are so obvious they look like fools. If they think this Iraq think is anywhere near over they are totally deluded.

]]> By: Mugsy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771846 Mugsy Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:17:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771846 Another point that deserves to be made about McCain's comment: "<em>If you're winning, you typically don't call for a cease fire.</em>" By that definition, the U.S. isn't winning in Iraq either. I'd also like to point out the dichotomy of McCain and Lyndsey Graham going on all the Sunday shows talking about "Iran aiding & arming extremists" while the reality is that <strong>Iran is brokering peace in Iraq on behalf of the Maliki government.</strong> Iran is brokering peace talks in Iraq. What are WE doing? Another point that deserves to be made about McCain’s comment:

“If you’re winning, you typically don’t call for a cease fire.”

By that definition, the U.S. isn’t winning in Iraq either.

I’d also like to point out the dichotomy of McCain and Lyndsey Graham going on all the Sunday shows talking about “Iran aiding & arming extremists” while the reality is that Iran is brokering peace in Iraq on behalf of the Maliki government.

Iran is brokering peace talks in Iraq. What are WE doing?

]]> By: nekoooo http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771778 nekoooo Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:13:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771778 looks like we've found ourselves Bush #2 looks like we’ve found ourselves Bush #2

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771634 Fred Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:05:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771634 <blockquote>dasm Says: April 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pm How many times will McAin lie and get away with it? The media should be all over him for his ignorance about Iraq.</blockquote> He is the media's candidate. Fairness doctrine is the only thing that would change this. We have a big job in front of us.

dasm Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
How many times will McAin lie and get away with it? The media should be all over him for his ignorance about Iraq.

He is the media’s candidate. Fairness doctrine is the only thing that would change this. We have a big job in front of us.

]]> By: dasm http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-4771588 dasm Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:01:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/06/mccain-ceasefire-sadr/#comment-4771588 How many times will McAin lie and get away with it? The media should be all over him for his ignorance about Iraq. How many times will McAin lie and get away with it? The media should be all over him for his ignorance about Iraq.

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