Three U.S. soldiers killed in Green Zone attack.
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Three U.S. soldiers killed in Green Zone attack.
The AP reports that a “rocket attack on the U.S.-protected Green Zone on Sunday killed three American soldiers and wounded at least 31 people, a military official said. The strike came after heavy fighting in a Baghdad neighborhood that left 20 dead and more than 50 wounded in the worst violence here since a cease-fire was declared a week ago.”
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Gonna be just like Saigon 1975.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pmSo???
--Dick Cheney, Vice President of Unamerikkkan TREASON
April 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pmThey can't bring the soldiers home soon enough.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:53 pmWow - that must be good news, huh? Yet another sign that the last throes are almost over, due to the incredible success of the Surge, and the uncanny p.r. ability of General Dave, and the steely resolve of the Cheerleader Prince, and the many closeted gay white guys who have mancrushes on him?
It's probably also a sign that "the terrorists" want the "defeatocrats" to win the Presidency. A sign that more than anything they fear grandpa McMaverick more than they fear Backwater Mercenaries, and a sign that, if McMaverick doesn't take the WH, we will all have our heads chopped off in the streets.
Come on, folks, let's see what other bogus crap we can spin this dose of reality into!!!!
April 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pmMore sad news. This is just going to continue.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pmBush&Co, McCain and Graham can claim the surge is working, but most people don't see anything to back up that claim. Lara Logan said today on Face the Nation that any positive effect of the surge is gone. Something that is no surprise to anyone who has folowed this from the beginning.
Families of the dead will have little consolation for their loss, and I feel so sad for them.
Bush&Co should suffer for all of this. It won't bring back anyone who was lost, but it will add a sort of closure and justice.
To paraphrase Tennyson "Into the valley of death" rode the 140,000. As the Vietnam War and the powerful documentary Sir! No Sir! proved, the best way to halt a war and an occupation is to have it happen from within. It is well past the point that American and coalition soldiers realize that they have been lied to by their governments and that there is no justifiable need to give their lives for their fatherland.
Soldiers-resist-by saying NO to the illegal occupation of Iraq.
April 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pmNeocon William “the Bloody” Kristol has been wrong about nearly everything concerning Iraq since before the 2003 invasion, yet he still manages to proudly sit on the FOXNews panel with that silly smirk on his face, touting the same, fact-free rhetoric. This morning on Fox News Sunday, Kristol once again sings the praises of Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker on the amazing success of the Bush/McCain surge and how they’ve done an exemplary job of turning things around in Iraq.
Mr. Kristol is this your idea of a exemplary job by President Bush of turning things around with two more soldiers dead in the Green Zone and 17 wounded?? Inquiring minds want to know.
All of these guys are a legend in their own minds...
April 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pmI caught a little of that exchange. kristol tried to bait the token dissenter by asking if he wasn't proud of the progress made by our soldiers during the surge.
If you have to lie to have your way.....try to get someone else to go along with it I guess....by hook or by crook.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pmUntil Mr. Kristol has actually experienced death, he has no credit in explaining the merits of same.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pmexplaining s/b extolling. Sorry, senior moment.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:25 pmAs John McCain said while shopping for rugs the Green Zone is the safest place in Iraq. Americans should come and bring their families to shop there. Graham and Lieberman were all smiles as they toured the Green Zone and said the Surge worked and we won. I guess Republican Law Makers don't think the death of three soldiers in the safest place in Iraq is very important. Americans prefer not to hear that kind of news it's to up setting. Well at lease McCain said 100 years in Iraq, while Obama went from 30 days to 10 years but he did that because he got votes saying Hillary was wrong with the 60 years sit up withdrawal. John Kerry the future acting President is now laying out the White House policy for the next 4 years he'll tell Obama about it later, as Obama give those great Dr. King speeches and sells the snake oil.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:38 pmI am just glad they didn't name it the "red zone". Sincere sympathies to all of the families impacted
April 6th, 2008 at 4:47 pm#8 Fred,
I so agree, when TP first posted this it was 2 dead and 17 wounded. Now we have 20 dead and 50 wounded in the most violent attack since the cease-fire.
They must not have received the MEMO from Bush/McCain. Kristol is such an arrogant buffoon lets throw the soldiers under the bus to make ourselves look good. Because if you don't say the soldiers are doing a good job you look unpatriotic. (When in reality it has nothing to do with them or the job they are doing, talk about trying to confuse the point.)
April 6th, 2008 at 4:50 pmFrom the article:
"Nobody claimed responsibility for the Baghdad attacks, but U.S. commanders have blamed what they call Iranian-backed rogue militia groups for launching missiles against American forces."
Drums getting louder.
April 6th, 2008 at 5:25 pmSpeculation is that Petraeus' upcoming testimony will set the stage for attacking Iran, by focusing on phony links between Iran and violence in Iraq.
April 6th, 2008 at 6:05 pmJust in time for the Crocker crock and Petraeus roll.
April 6th, 2008 at 6:06 pmBritish fear US commander is beating the drum for Iran strikes
British officials gave warning yesterday that America's commander in Iraq will declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/05/wiran105.xml
April 6th, 2008 at 6:31 pmAnd yet McCain is neck and neck with both Obama and Hillary, this country is filled with idiots. I'm truly looking into how I can get other citizenship, if this country elects another GOP idiot, I truly don't want to live here anymore.
April 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pmOT but worth it
This is an interesting, as well as really valid view, with background, regarding Petraeus' upcoming appearance before Congress. Here is an excerpt.
General Entrap-Us or General Entrapped?
Democrats Should Treat Petraeus and His Surge as Irrelevant
By Ira Chernus
It was supposed to be a "cakewalk." General Petraeus would come to Congress, armed with his favorite charts showing that the "surge" had dramatically reduced violence in Iraq. He would earn universal acclaim for his plan to "pause" troop reductions from July until after the election in November -- the same plan that John McCain counts on to help him win that election.
Let's hope that report is right, because a debate focused on military success or failure is a trap, with Petraeus's testimony as the bait. After all, no debate in Congress will really be about the level of violence in Iraq. "Has the surge worked?" is just a symbolic way of asking: "Would you rather believe that America is a winner or a loser?" And in any battle over patriotic symbolism, the Republicans always seem to have the bigger guns.
So the Democrats would be smart to refuse the bait and insist that this is not an old-fashioned World War II- style conflict, where force can produce a clear-cut winner. Then they could refocus the debate on two crucial truths: We have no right to be in Iraq; the sooner we get out, the sooner we can begin to heal the terrible damage the war has done to us here at home.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/print/174915/Tomgram%253A%2520%2520Ira%2520Chernus%252C%2520The%2520General%2520and%2520the%2520Trap
April 6th, 2008 at 6:56 pm"DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD"
Mark Penn Resigns
Swampland - 15 minutes ago
After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, ...
Penn, Chief Clinton Strategist, Resigns
TIME - 6 minutes ago
(AP / ALBUQUERQUE, NM) — The manager of Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign says Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as chief strategist of ...
heard on sam seder, via huffpo and ?
April 6th, 2008 at 7:01 pmHow come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pmKaty announces Mark Penn has resigned -- confirmed on CNN 11 minutes ago.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
How come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
Because we should not be in Iraq at all. We have no moral, ethical or legal right to be there. The majority of Iraqis want us to leave their soverign nation. Yet you stupidly talk of "winning" a "war" that is civil not international. Get lost troll
April 6th, 2008 at 7:08 pmAny and all candidates for prez should recuse themselves from committees asking questions of Betrayus testimony. Public report from Betrayus' boss and private report from the General.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pmMarie Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Katy announces Mark Penn has resigned — confirmed on CNN 11 minutes ago.
Why is this so important?
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pmA number of retired generals were on C-Span this morning and they all said we must get out of Iraq. Sooner not later.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
How come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
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Because winning a Civil War is impossible, but idiots can't understand that....apparently. BTW, why aren't you over there helping to "defeat the enemy?" Coward hiding behind his keyboard?
April 6th, 2008 at 7:29 pmHey, cut-and-run Bob. I'm here defending our troops and their efforts by supporting the candidacy of John McCain, while you guys are engaged in a senseless mudslinging campaign that consists of making "cute" plays on Conservatives' names (McSame, Betray Us, etc.)
While you sit in your ivory blue state tower, our troops are on the front lines dying for your right to blog.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:35 pmhref="http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/04/mark-penn-is-fired.html">Mark Penn is fired
green zone cartoon: in a nutshell
April 6th, 2008 at 7:38 pmMark Penn is fired
green zone cartoon: in a nutshell
sry 1 bad link
April 6th, 2008 at 7:39 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
it is safe where you are, isn't it?
and you're happy to put our troops in harm's way, aren't you?
i'm sure our troops wish you'd stop "defending" them.
100 years.
*
April 6th, 2008 at 7:41 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
How come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
Another confrontationalist.
Why are you stuck in the combat and victory/defeat cycle?
Violence is not the solution.
Respect for other humans, their resources, and their beliefs will bring peace.
And before you go off on the "they attacked us first" tangent, try for once to look at WHY these things happen.
Ask yourself the question:"Why are people so desperate that they are willing to kill themselves in the process of calling attention to the abuse and exploitation they suffer.
Warfare and an "us or them" mentality is the antithesis of Balanced Thinking
April 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Hey, cut-and-run Bob. I’m here defending our troops and their efforts by supporting the candidacy of John McCain, while you guys are engaged in a senseless mudslinging campaign that consists of making “cute” plays on Conservatives’ names (McSame, Betray Us, etc.)
While you sit in your ivory blue state tower, our troops are on the front lines dying for your right to blog.
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Cut and run, isn't that so quaint. What other GOP talking point words do you have up your sleeve? This war has made us less safe, has killed 4,000 Americans you claim to support, which is easy to do when you are not serving, and is bankrupting this country. I won't bring up the tens of thousands or Iraqis, because I doubt scum like you care. So stay in your mom's basement. So continue, like your heroes, talk about war as some glorious event because you like them never serve. And yes, I live in New York City, so I guess that is a blue state ivory tower compared to your Ozark trailer/meth lab.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:46 pmNevar Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
thinkbalance, it's newspeak:
War is Peace
April 6th, 2008 at 7:48 pmFreedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Are you saying we should support the militant Iranian backed militia aligned with the US backed government against the other militant, albeit more popular, Iranian backed militia?
April 6th, 2008 at 7:49 pmI'm always amused by the obliviousness of trolls who accuse others of the same tactics on which they build their arguments, such a name-calling.
It's even better when they make the accusation in the same post in which they commit the sin they're condemning.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:06 pmOh, little Bob, your propensity to lower the terms of our discussion into the realm of ad hominem attacks is unsurprising, as I've come to expect this type of cattiness from leftist extremists like yourself.
To circle back to the issues, though:
I sincerely regret the death of every single Iraqi that has died during this war and I must say that our troops are working hard to hunt down and kill the cowards that are responsible for their deaths. While it may not be convenient for you to acknowledge, the Islamofascists hated America long before we got embrioled in the Iraq conflict.
And, I am a patriot who lives in our nation's capital and realizes that Defeatist losers like you and your Limousine liberal friends are cultivating a attitude that might be healthy for civic discourse but bad for our national security.
And, I live in our nation's capital.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:07 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
"And, I live in our nation’s capital."
all safe and cozy.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:10 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Cool. So is there a sushi joint or maybe a tapas spot you might recommend "in our nations's capital"?
April 6th, 2008 at 8:12 pmCase in point:
I suppose you COULD make this stuff up, but why bother, when the trolls provide it so freely?
April 6th, 2008 at 8:13 pmNevar Says:
"Why are people so desperate that they are willing to kill themselves in the process of calling attention to the abuse and exploitation they suffer."
Are you honestly trying to offer a theoretical justification for suicide bombing?
It is a savage, ethically wrong practice. period. no room for cultural relativism whatsoever.
Until the targeting of innocent civilians is abandoned as an acceptable medium of political activism--in palestine, in iraq--the groups perpetrating the brutality should not be engaged in discussion.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:16 pmMore and More blood on the hands of this criminal administration.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:17 pmWhile you sit in your ivory blue state tower, our troops are on the front lines dying for your right to blog
If we pull the troops out I will still be able to blog numbnuts. The troops are fighting for oil and the oil companies. I don't need it. I'll ride a bike or walk to wherever I need to go. When I do drive, I drive my Hybrid, what do you drive idiot.
Lame a$$hole.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:20 pmYo, wonder llama take a break from the hashish and the heady microbrews. I am dignifying you with debate and you insist on marginalizing me as a "troll" (definition: term used to denigrate any commenter who have a remotely dissenting view).
April 6th, 2008 at 8:21 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Are you honestly trying to offer a theoretical justification for suicide bombing?
Where did you read any implication of justification into my post?
Sheeezzzz...
All I did was ask you to start asking yourself WHY, and your response is to project your tendencies upon me.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:22 pmIt's the conflict oriented personages such as yourself who are always trying to justify your theft and aggression.
I wouldn't hold a discussion with anyone which might "dignify" me with one. I feel the same way about all those waspy clubs...
April 6th, 2008 at 8:25 pmOne of those gnats who have infested that city over the last 7 years. One of those people who complain about all the black people that make DC "scary." One of those people that hung out with your other mamaboy friends to celebrate April 4, 1968, not MLK and his life and accomplishments but that they were good shots. Yes, I know you and your ilk and you disgust me and all real Americans. You hate this country, your ACTIONS prove that. So please STFU and just go away.
BTW, I doubt you actually live in DC, give me some good bars to visit.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:26 pmI am sure Kristol's column tomorrow will be spinning McCain confusion or American deaths in Iraq or the sainthood of the oil companies. The American people need to stand up and say enough. How many more years will we be sacrificing our children to stupid wars? How many more years will Americans be buying the crap put out daily by the MSM to justify the military industrial complex profits? As long as Murdoch funds Fox? As long as every millionaire in this country has made a pile from investments in the oil companies? Question everything.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:29 pmthink"fairandbalanced" is full of unflattering assumptions about those who point out the flaws in its arguments, isn't it?
Good thing it doesn't engage in those ad hominem arguments it so detests.
But I suppose we should be grateful that it dignifies us with generalizations and put-downs while thinking itself engaged in meaningful debate. It's not every troll who does so.
Oh, wait -- yes it is.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:35 pmMerlin Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Marie Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Katy announces Mark Penn has resigned — confirmed on CNN 11 minutes ago.
Why is this so important?
Hillary's campaign is disintegrating.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:37 pmThinkBalanced claims that he "sincerely regret[s] the death of every single Iraqi that has died during this war..." A war against whom, the 2 per cent of the foreign jihadists that are fighting against the American and coalition forces in Iraq? One knows that this number is true because it has been mentioned by not only Congressman John Murtha, who has the closest connections of any congress member to the Pentagon, as well as military reporter Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post. It would be remiss not to mention Sen. Evan Bayh, who asked James Jones if this was true. Who is James Jones? James Jones was the former commandant of the United States Marine Corps, who confirmed the number of 2 per cent as being accurate.
As Nevar at #32 wisely points out, what super patriots like ThinkBalanced never wish to examine is why the resistance fighters are willing to blow themselves up against the occupying power. The United States has had troops in the Middle East at least since the early 1990s. What the flag wavers like ThinkBalanced never wish to ask themselves is how would they feel if they saw a tank on the road that they lived or worked or a foreign soldier walking on his street or where he shops, wearing battle fatigues and especially carrying an assault rifle. Would he feel anger, fear, loathing, contempt, bitterness, rage,hostility at that foreign soldier? In all probability he would, which is exactly how the average Iraqi feels toward the Americans who are illegally occupying their country.
The people of Iraq are doing the same thing that the Vietnamese did against the United States in the 1960s and 1970s, the Irish did against the British throughout their long history, the Algerians did against the French in the 1950s through 1962, the Vietnamese did against the French for a decade, the Afghans did against the Russians in the 1980s, etc., and that is that they will continue to blow themselves and the Americans up until the U.S. military is finally gone from their soil. Again, if ThinkBalanced actually possessed the word empathy in his vocabulary, he would logically realize that the Iraqis are never going to stop fighting until the Americans have stopped occupying their country, stopped beating down their doors, and stopped committed atrocities against the people of Iraq.
Empathy, a trait which so many Americans today seem to be so utterly lacking.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:40 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
(definition: term used to denigrate any commenter who have a remotely dissenting view).
source?
April 6th, 2008 at 8:44 pmLie #1(on this thread anyway)
If you wish to dignify us with debate this is a good place to start.
Exactly how are we defending freedom in Iraq?
April 6th, 2008 at 8:44 pmMan, I hope you come back and just apologize for this one. Either you are too ignorant to be here trying to discuss this issue or you are just plain dishonest.
In the first place the Iraqi people are the ones who are killing us in Iraq, not your precious Islamofascists. So how can you say you regret every Iraqi death?
April 6th, 2008 at 8:47 pmFred says:
Man, I hope you come back and just apologize for this one. Either you are too ignorant to be here trying to discuss this issue or you are just plain dishonest.
He's still busy looking up DC bars and restaurants on the internet to prove he lives there : )
April 6th, 2008 at 8:50 pmNot too sure if you can call this one a lie but it is like b kristol speak....
The notion that you would discuss suicide bombers indicates that you are trying to justify it. Man your reality sucks, please don't drag me into it.
You would think that rational, sensible people who were being assulted by suicide bombers would start trying to figure out a way to get that stopped.
A good method might be to try to figure out what is causing it and address it from that direction but that would take effort and dedication to really trying to find a soluton. Besides, confrontational methods such as ours and Israel's have worked so well in the past.
April 6th, 2008 at 8:53 pmErroll, I've become convinced an underdeveloped sense of empathy is one of the two traits of psychology that most strongly correlate to right-wing thinking.
The other is a propensity for black-and-white thinking (black/white, up/down, win/lose, "you're either with us or against us").
April 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pmLie #3 or 4...I get confused(on this thread anyway)
I'm really missing the dignity part of your contributions here tonight.......seriously, you start out by insulting someone and then follow it with a statement where you claim to have some dignity...
sorry all, I am done......unless..../snark
April 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pmThe notion that you would discuss suicide bombers indicates that you are trying to justify it. Man your reality sucks, please don’t drag me into it. FRED
If this is directed towards me, your notion is simply that. Yours, and no more than a mere notion.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:03 pmI am by no means attempting to even remotely suggest justification for suicide bombings.
I never mentioned "Fred" in my post either, so where did you get the notion I was dragging you into it.
You usually have more thought out postings than this one, sir.
If this little notion was not directed my way, nevar mind!
ralph the wonder llama Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Erroll Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Empathy, a trait which so many Americans today seem to be so utterly lacking.
Erroll, I’ve become convinced an underdeveloped sense of empathy is one of the two traits of psychology that most strongly correlate to right-wing thinking.
The other is a propensity for black-and-white thinking (black/white, up/down, win/lose, “you’re either with us or against us”).
Ralph, this is a drive by comment, I am playing hooky from the house, but I am emphathetic to a fault and see the world in so many shades of Grey I make Tevye look like an absolutist.
I have also just scanned this thread, but you seem to be wielding your Mallet with extra glee...just ignore.
Cheers!
April 6th, 2008 at 9:10 pmIt absolutely was not directed at you Nevar, and I apologize humbly that my communication skills were poor enough that you though it might. I merely quoted you in referece to the absurd staement made by ThinkBalanced about your quote.....I'm sorry
April 6th, 2008 at 9:15 pmNevar, my interpretation of your quote in my post was that you too were questioning why people do this....as we all should be I think.
It was to keep in context the distainful remark of ThinkBalanced to your post.....
April 6th, 2008 at 9:19 pmThis War should long have been over, The United States is an Army of Occupation of a sovereign country and these guerilla tactics will continue until we leave. This debacle was based on lies, deceit, and total arrogance from the beginning and influenced by complete incompetence. This War and Occupation of the country of Iraq will be the largest blunder in history that the United States has ever made. Not counting the cost in human life, which no one seems to care about, because they are expendable, it is costing 12 billion $ a month. Thanks
April 6th, 2008 at 9:23 pmThanks Fred, we're cool!
April 6th, 2008 at 9:28 pmZooey Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Merlin Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Marie Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Katy announces Mark Penn has resigned — confirmed on CNN 11 minutes ago.
Why is this so important?
Hillary’s campaign is disintegrating.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:30 pmIgnore #65 hit the wrong button.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:31 pmZooey Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Merlin Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Marie Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Katy announces Mark Penn has resigned — confirmed on CNN 11 minutes ago.
Why is this so important?
Hillary’s campaign is disintegrating.
I have heard that they were trying to oust him for some time so they could go in a better direction than his counsel has pushed them. So, I assumed this would be a "positive" for the Clinton campaign, becoming less devicive and more cohesive for the final push.
But, perhaps you are right. From my view, I hope you are.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:36 pmThanks for the drive-by, Keltoi, but you seem to have confused a useful generalization for an absolute.
And, no offense to you -- I'm sure you are empathetic to a fault -- but many of the right-wingers that I know personally would not recognize a lack of empathy in themselves. They just think that the way they see the world is the way everyone sees the world. (Perhaps if they were more empathetic, they would wonder a bit more about how others see the world, but they don't.)
April 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pmHey Think Balanced- Watch Fahrenheit 9/11, It will show you exactly how some of the people in Iraq feel about us. Especially the woman that lost 5 members of her family in one week, the backdrop behind her is a house blown apart. I think she use to live there.
She prays to Allah everyday for us to leave. Most likely she will hate us forever for killing most of her family. Me personally, I can't even imagine what that would be like. I lost my father and grandmother 3 months apart and that just about killed me.
I hope she finds peace after we leave her country.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:45 pmNevar Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Ask yourself the question:”Why are people so desperate that they are willing to kill themselves in the process of calling attention to the abuse and exploitation they suffer.
An astute and heavy question! As indicated above, it takes someone reality based and with empathy to even see the relevance of the question. Never mind answering it. Posed to a troll... Need more be said than the answer you received from it?
April 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pmI'm guessing Think Balanced was another one of Mr. Pee's chamber pots, and he just got emptied.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm"It's so romantic being on the front lines. I really envy them."
George W. Bush
April 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pmHi gang. This particular troll isn't even worth bashing. However, If you would like some insight into Reichwingers, I once again offer this link. It's a rather long read but it explains the authoritarian mindset in detail. The short version is that they are fully invested in imposing their beliefs on others regardless of reality. You can't cure them, just outvote them.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
April 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pmpete
April 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Another good read on the same subject is "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John Dean.
Excellent information on the authoritarian submissive. Terrifying, as well.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:57 pmThe complete marginalization of any points of view beyond the extreme left is disgusting and dangerous. Fostering the type of ideological conformity promoted by tossing around phrases like "trolls" and "you can't cure them" and "Reichwingers" speaks to the type of thought control enacted by the fascists.
If you really want to make a difference, then engage in meaningful debate.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:02 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
The complete marginalization of any points of view beyond the extreme left is disgusting and dangerous. Fostering the type of ideological conformity promoted by tossing around phrases like “trolls” and “you can’t cure them” and “Reichwingers” speaks to the type of thought control enacted by the fascists.
If you really want to make a difference, then engage in meaningful debate.
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You are disgusting and dangerous and your positions put you in the 29% of the population who are idiots, the same 29% who don't believe in evolution, global warming or science. But thank you for playing, pick up your rice-a-roni parting gift and get back to mom's basement, we're still waiting for places to frequent in DC.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pm>the groups perpetrating the brutality should not be engaged >in discussion.
what if those groups are democratically elected by the people? what if the iraqis decide to elect a government run by Hamas or a similar radical islamist group? does that fall under your defintion of "victory"? .
how many of our soldiers should die for the sake of a country where "no law shall contradict islam"?
April 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pmSee what I mean? Anyway, I just dropped by for a quick fix. Thanx for the recommendation Zooey. I was planning on stopping by the library tomorrow. I just might check it out.
G'night good people.
You too trolls.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pmBush's General Petraeus and Amb. Crocker are busy at this very minute spinning today's disaster -- The Green Zone was attacked -- into their neverending fantasy about how "the surge is working."
We are now 5 Years, 19 Days into Bush's unmitigated god-awful disaster of an illegal immoral war. Wanna bet that Petraeus will blame Iran? I'll put my money on it.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:10 pmIs this you, leading by example. You toss around phrases like "The complete marginalization of any points of view beyond the extreme left is disgusting and dangerous."
Then attack the left for "Fostering the type of ideological conformity promoted by tossing around phrases"
pitiful.........flagged for off topic
April 6th, 2008 at 10:11 pmHey Bobby--it depends what's your scene: if you are into grungy/fratty places, might want to hit up adams morgan, gay bars would be dupont, and the preppy/waspy would put you in georgetown--more on this if you want me to elaborate further on something that might be more up to your speed.
I believe in evolution, am pro-choice, and don't really care about gay marriage. I simply cannot tolerate people not providing our troops any allowance to succeed in Iraq. Your "29 percent" comment is a perfect case-in-point: you are lumping all those who don't share your points of view into a specific "idiot" category that includes all non-democrats.
Very shortsighted.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:15 pmGreat, Pete..."flagged off topic"--another marginalization tool used to censor views you disagree with.
I thought you were about free speech and constructive debate.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:19 pmThink, what does this mean?
I simply cannot tolerate people not providing our troops any allowance to succeed in Iraq.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:20 pmNow there is a topic that you are an expert on.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:22 pmWriting off the soldiers' effort as a doomed enterprise, with no potential for improvement or success.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:22 pmWatch that "29 percent" elect another Republican to the presidency. I expect all of you to carry out your promise to leave the country. Might I suggest France?
April 6th, 2008 at 10:23 pmWell despite every opportunity, you have posted here no less than 10 times in this thread alone and you have not engaged in any kind of constructive debate whatsoever......guess you have exercised your right of free speech but you seem to have totally wasted that.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:25 pmHey guys--That Guy 5--just posted a dissenting comment.
Don't worry I'll flag him for improper use of the board and we can get his type of views silenced forever.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:25 pmThink?Balanced, how many more years would you sentence the troops to?> And 'as many as it takes' doesn't count.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:27 pmEvery time I seek to deepen the level of discourse--about suicide bombing, about the war in Iraq, about McCain--I get bombarded by a slew of personal attacks that I have to fend off, side tracking the narrative.
I'd be happy to enter into an email exchange with any who wish to pursue these arguments further.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:28 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I believe in evolution, am pro-choice, and don’t really care about gay marriage. I simply cannot tolerate people not providing our troops any allowance to succeed in Iraq.
You are still a troll! Here to inflame and disrupt, (the definition of a troll-check out wiki) no matter what you're beliefs are. Go away.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:29 pmI believe in evolution, am pro-choice, and don’t really care about gay marriage. I simply cannot tolerate people not providing our troops any allowance to succeed in Iraq. Your “29 percent” comment is a perfect case-in-point: you are lumping all those who don’t share your points of view into a specific “idiot” category that includes all non-democrats.
Very shortsighted.
Short sighted? What is success? Will one of you people please explain what the fcuk success is? How can there be success being involved in another country's civil war. We have been there 5 years, where has been the success? Fine, Saddam is gone, but things are so bad that Iraqis would welcome Saddam's rule back. Iraq was not a terrorist state, there was no al-Qaeda there before 2003, they are there now (though still a small % of the Iraqi resistance). Our national standing is in the toilet around the world (along with the dollar, and there is a big correlation). I travel abroad a lot, it really is sad how much we are now despised throughout the world, Europe, South America, Asia, doesn't really matter. So, please, where is the success? How can success be achieved, what will be different in 5 years besides tens of thousands more dead and wounded US soldiers and Iraqis? So, please, unless you can define success, shove it up your poo hole or pie hole, or both.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:30 pmThis from the troll who proudly contributed the following gems to this meaningful debate:
7:35 pm: Hey, cut-and-run Bob.... you guys are engaged in a senseless mudslinging campaign...you sit in your ivory blue state tower
8:07 pm: ...cattiness from leftist extremists like yourself...Defeatist losers like you and your Limousine liberal friends...
8:21 pm: take a break from the hashish and the heady microbrews
10:02 pm: The complete marginalization of any points of view beyond the extreme left is disgusting and dangerous.
We should all thank "fairandbalanced" for its thoughtful contributions to this meaningful debate.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:31 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Every time I seek to deepen the level of discourse–about suicide bombing, about the war in Iraq, about McCain–I get bombarded by a slew of personal attacks that I have to fend off, side tracking the narrative.
More troll talk. You have not come here to question or discuss. You are here to inflame and disrupt. Period.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:32 pmThat Guy 5 Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Watch that “29 percent” elect another Republican to the presidency. I expect all of you to carry out your promise to leave the country. Might I suggest France?
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If this country and morons like you do manage to elect McCain, France will look pretty good.
BTW, Freedom fries and the France bashing is so 2003, please get some new material.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:33 pmThat Guy 5 Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Watch that “29 percent” elect another Republican to the presidency. I expect all of you to carry out your promise to leave the country. Might I suggest France?
Ah look! Yet another troll has joined the deep conversation with thinkbalanced. Maybe they could converse about their point of view and keep us entertained.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pmSucess in Iraq: providing the Iraqi government with the military, political and infrastructure support to promote a democractic state with domestic tranquility.
Success can be acheived through maintaining an active military presence in Iraq until the Iraqi military is able to stand strongly on its two feet. Then, with a phased partial withdrawl, we will be able to simultaneously bolster the Iraqi legislature and promote greater internal stability.
More will die, more will be wounded--we must concede that. But, in light of our noble goals, we should work to minimize casualties and provide our military with the best support possible.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
We should all thank “fairandbalanced” for its thoughtful contributions to this meaningful debate.
Thank you, ThinkBalanced! Without your input, this comment thread would likely turn into a debate on the best internet cafe in San Francisco.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pmSan Francisco has the internets?
April 6th, 2008 at 10:41 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
You conveniently did not have anything to say about my comment to you earlier in this thread. Here it is again. Care to dispute it now? If so, refute it point by point.
Merlin Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
ThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
How come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
Because we should not be in Iraq at all. We have no moral, ethical or legal right to be there. The majority of Iraqis want us to leave their soverign nation. Yet you stupidly talk of “winning” a “war” that is civil not international. Get lost troll
April 6th, 2008 at 10:43 pmLooks like we've got a case of "Dumb Troll/Thinks He's Smarter Than He Is Troll"
Oh, well, I guess we can't expect much more than this from them on a Sunday night.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:44 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Sucess in Iraq: providing the Iraqi government with the military, political and infrastructure support to promote a democractic state with domestic tranquility.
Success can be acheived through maintaining an active military presence in Iraq until the Iraqi military is able to stand strongly on its two feet. Then, with a phased partial withdrawl, we will be able to simultaneously bolster the Iraqi legislature and promote greater internal stability.
More will die, more will be wounded–we must concede that. But, in light of our noble goals, we should work to minimize casualties and provide our military with the best support possible.
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Success as you described it cannot be achieved, and your callous dismissal of soldier's deaths is truly revolting. And as for "noble goals???" That's more bat sh!t crazy that success. There was nothing noble in any goal of this administration and its policies in Iraq, not a single one. If you really believe that, truly believe that, seek medical/mental health help, you need it.
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That's not success
April 6th, 2008 at 10:45 pmHow come a country with 90% of the worlds military might can't do that in a country with .01% of the worlds military might in a time frame that is longer than it took to win WWII?
By now,a sane person would start to rethink this fools errand that they were never asked to do in the first place.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:46 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
That's a joke, right? We've been trying for five years to get the Iraqi army up and running, and our puppet Maliki can't control even his own milita.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:48 pmHOW MANY YEARS!? And 'as long as it takes' is not an answer.
It is pretty damned obvious that BinkyThalanced has never experienced the 'glory' and 'nobility' of combat.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:49 pmOkay, Merlin...
Even though Saddam didn't have WMDs, we had strong reason to believe that he did. A man who had previously posessed them and had established a record of acting as an irrational political actor (who thought he would invade Kuwait?) needed to be neutralized.
We also had an ethical responsibility to the Iraqi people to topple a cruel despot. We also had an economic interest in the country because of oil (yes, I think it's acceptable for America to go to war to protect its economic interests). All these factors combined to make a compellig case for war.
By helping Iraqis help themselves we can come as close as possible to "winning this war" ("winning" being fostering the development of a peaceful democratic state and withdrawing our troops).
April 6th, 2008 at 10:51 pmThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:51 pmdomestic tranquility.
How thankful do you think they are, really? Statements by people like you make me think that you really don't have any idea what you have done.....
Merlin Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Because we should not be in Iraq at all. We have no moral, ethical or legal right to be there. The majority of Iraqis want us to leave their soverign nation. Yet you stupidly talk of “winning” a “war” that is civil not international. Get lost troll
Regardless of whether we should have gone into Iraq in the first place, we can't just pack up and leave overnight. I did buy into the hype that there were WMDs in Iraq, and I'll concede the fact I supported invading a sovereign nation to keep 240 million people safe from mass death and destruction. You say that the majority of the Iraqis want us to leave their sovereign nation, so we should do just that. But when the majority of the public wants George W. Bush elected to office a second time, your logic goes out the window.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pmso, NOW i read the comments... well, mostly scan for the relevant posts...
sorry about the hit and run post earlier... thought it was important enough
for an OT... i'd just finished watching/listening to sam's show online, and wanted to catch 60minutes, then MLK on history channel, AND john adams!
whew! ... almost political overload... enough anyway for tonight...
not sure what the dispicable penn leaving hillary's campaign will mean for her,
at the least she may be able to leave gracefully now... at best, she will leave
those underhanded tactics behind while finishing out her campaign with class
and dignity... (did that make sense?)
...
this "Green Zone attack" could very well be the excuse the CONS are looking for
to provoke them into a foolish attack on iran... sooner or later, i fear...
nothing surprises me...
especially after watching doug feith on 60minutes tonight... completely, totally,
unashamedly oblivious to the facts - historical and current...
sam had an amazing interview with Sinan Antoon, who had been on charlie rose
last week talking about the ruins of his country... hopefully, sam will post a
link to his talk today on his website http://samsedershow.com/ ...
g'nite all...
April 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pmOkay, guys. Have a good night and thanks for indulging me with conversation, seriously. i just wouldn't take this blogging business too seriously, you know?
I will leave you with the following words:
WE'RE AMERICANS, AND WE'LL NEVER SURRENDER...THEY WILL
-our next president, John MCCain
April 6th, 2008 at 10:54 pmIt is sad to read this low level of discourse, while our soldiers are dying in Iraq. For what? Remember people, the Green Zone is under attack. If you think Bush or any his equally incompetent officials have a plan to offset this violence, think again.
Watch on Tuesday for Petraeus and Crocker to blame Iran.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:56 pmThinkBalanced
I never though he had WMD and most people outside the US agreed. UN inspectors were waving their arms as they were ran out of Iraq, yelling......there are no WMD's......but you went anyway.
We had no obligation to the Iraqi people and we are not the worlds police. The rest of your statement reads like someone from imperialist Russia in the 40's and 50's
You are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Your methods are failing as we speak, all of them.
April 6th, 2008 at 10:57 pmThinkBalanced Says
and then you say this:
I think we can suss out what you really mean....
April 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pmWhat really scares me, I must say, is that though only 29% of Americans support this awful administration (there will always be a third of people in this country who are knuckle dragging morons like these trolls tonight), I seriously think McCain can win. I know usually pretty intelligent people who seem to buy into this "he's different than Bush" BS and plan to vote for him (at least now). We need to attach Bush to McCain like they are conjoined twins. We cannot be too over-confident, this sadly will be close election IMHO. Shouldn't be, but god/flying spaghetti monster I'm afraid it will be....
April 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pmFred Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
ThinkBalanced Says
I’ll concede the fact I supported invading a sovereign nation to keep 240 million people safe from mass death and destruction
and then you say this:
We also had an economic interest in the country because of oil (yes, I think it’s acceptable for America to go to war to protect its economic interests).
I think we can suss out what you really mean….
Fred-
I said that first part, not ThinkBalanced. No fact checking? You must work for MoveOn.org. I guess "us people" being a little more right than yourself seem all alike, just like blacks, jews, and asians, right?
April 6th, 2008 at 11:05 pmThat Guy 5
Could be that your posts are indistinguishable from each other........you both use talking points from the same playbook.....
April 6th, 2008 at 11:10 pmThat Guy 5:
There are 300 million Americans you moron, so what 60 million don't you care about? Is it the blacks, Latinos, which race don't you care about?
BTW, I live in NYC, we don't need your "help." Death and destruction will not come to your trailer, no matter what happens. Sort of like roaches and rats.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:16 pmIt's funny, the US presumably was shaking in its shoes over the danger which was Saddam's Iraq, yet Jordan, right next door was begging us not to invade. If Iraq really was a threat you'd think it's neighbors would have been the loudest in calling for an attack. I can't think of a single ME country, excepting perhaps Israel, that was egging on the invasion.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:22 pmblue state bob Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Your fears may be right. However I would prefer to wait until I see how Obama deals with McBush.
He has a lot more depth and moxie than many people give him credit for. McBush's message (philosophy), like Hillary's, is not aligned with the public's view at this time (this cycle). His philosophy stems from confidence in our future (along with the emotion, hope, which registers in this time of economic and foreign policy disaster.) His speech on "race" was beyond brilliant, indicating his depth of thought and understanding. I sense no fear in him. I also believe he will handle the right wing smear machine's crap head on, as well as play offense very well. (Note that speech as answer to the attacks on his pastor. A powerful answer.) i believe the Dems, this cycle, no longer under the disasterous leadership of the DLC which believes in triangulating and waffling, is prepared now to deal with McBush, as opposed to kerry in 2004 being prepared for BushCo.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:23 pmFred Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Could be that your posts are indistinguishable from each other……..you both use talking points from the same playbook…..
So not true. He mentioned gay marriage as not being an issue. I firmly believe that gay couples should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as straight people.
We also support the presence in Iraq for different reasons. I firmly believe we should stay there purely to maintain healthy access to abundant, low-cost oil and to maintain a large military presence in the Middle East in the event of further/escalated conflict. He was talking about ethics and moral obligations.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:23 pmThat Guy 5 Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
I firmly believe we should stay there purely to maintain healthy access to abundant, low-cost oil
Oh man, that's a good one. I am literally rolling on the floor laughing.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:29 pm#
# blue state bob Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
That Guy 5:
There are 300 million Americans you moron, so what 60 million don’t you care about? Is it the blacks, Latinos, which race don’t you care about?
BTW, I live in NYC, we don’t need your “help.” Death and destruction will not come to your trailer, no matter what happens. Sort of like roaches and rats.
I was discounting Obama supporters.
The funny thing about your "I live in NYC" bit is that the Islamofacists hate your way of life the most. I came to live in DC a few years back with no political affiliation and have since registered as Republican. I don't live in a trailer. In fact, I live in the clean, "gay" neighborhood of DC, Dupont Circle, despite my preference of having sex with (relatively unattractive) women.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:31 pmLow cost oil, oil is over $100 a barrel for the first time ever?? Gas has hit an all-time high, and keeps going up. Where is this low cost oil of which you speak, hanging out with the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and Saddam's WMD?? Sweet Jeebus do the trolls get dumber and dumber, it truly does amaze me.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pmfunny thing about your “I live in NYC” bit is that the Islamofacists hate your way of life the most. I came to live in DC a few years back with no political affiliation and have since registered as Republican. I don’t live in a trailer. In fact, I live in the clean, “gay” neighborhood of DC, Dupont Circle, despite my preference of having sex with (relatively unattractive) women.
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Yes, I know. That's my point. NYC and DC, two places actually attacked don't buy this administration's BS. But it's the red state morons who will never be attacked who make us less safe and I'm sick of it. They are scared little children most of whom have never even been to New York. Take your flags on your pick-up trucks and stuff them.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pmblue state bob Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Low cost oil, oil is over $100 a barrel for the first time ever?? Gas has hit an all-time high, and keeps going up. Where is this low cost oil of which you speak, hanging out with the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and Saddam’s WMD?? Sweet Jeebus do the trolls get dumber and dumber, it truly does amaze me.
Oil prices could be much higher. We've done nothing significant to diversify transportation fuels, save for Renewable Fuel Standards. Why does the automotive industry vote for Democrats? Because they are just as friendly to big oil as Republicans? Isn't John Dingell the one who wants to raise the gas tax by 50 cents?
April 6th, 2008 at 11:38 pmBlue State Bob-
Disparaging Americans who have just as much a right to vote based on their own opinions is pretty low. Maybe they don't have the culture and sophistication as you New Yorkers, but at least they're willing to vote in a way they think will ensure you suffer another 9/11.
I don't really mind the name-calling of this comment thread, but your posting just pushed the limits of acceptability.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:42 pmexcuse me, i meant "in a way they think will ensure you DON'T suffer another 9/11"
April 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pmI'm done, dealing with Dumb and Dumber has made me tired.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pmReally ? There’s a lot of people on the planet who say the same thing. So you probably could have picked someone who hasn’t yet been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a corruption probe and who’s had a good part of a PBS Frontline investigation dedicated to their lies about Iraq.
Hasn't yet been named is a strong indication of the weakness of your argument. Once again, you prove the bankruptcy of your morals.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:46 pmwhen are you war apologists going to come up with some new material??
i don't think there are any iraqis who would agree with 1% of what you guys throw around as excuses for staying there.
how many dead people and how much spent (borrowed) money is enough for you???
why/how!?!? are you surpised to be called insane when you post that crap here?
April 6th, 2008 at 11:48 pm"Oil prices could be much higher. We’ve done nothing significant to diversify transportation fuels, save for Renewable Fuel Standards. Why does the automotive industry vote for Democrats? Because they are just as friendly to big oil as Republicans? Isn’t John Dingell the one who wants to raise the gas tax by 50 cents?"
Please. Bush and cheney are corrupt, sociopathic oilmen, and you want to single out Dingell? The automotive industry doesn't vote for Democrats; it funds Republicans. Your lies are transparent, your morals nonexistent. Shame on you.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:50 pmThat Guy 5 Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
excuse me, i meant “in a way they think will ensure you DON’T suffer another 9/11?
You're good and wrong about that as well. They voted for the failure that allowed the 9/11 attacks in the first place. They are extraordinarily stupid and fearful, the lousiest of Americans, worthless in a fight.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:52 pmTheir support for this administration makes this country less safe. That includes New York, of course, as that's target #1 with DC and a few other cities. It's simple, those who support Bush are simplistic morons who live in fear, and I simply stated that the most fervant supporters of Bush seem to congregate in places that were never attacked and likely never will be, unless it's by a fellow right winger, home grown terrorist like OK City.
After 7 years, I am beyond giving these knuckle dragging cretins any benefit of any doubt. 2004 was bad enough, three years later and still support this moron, his chickenhawk administration, this war where troops are on their 4th tour, attacks on science, the economy in the toilet. Forget it, no more being nice. You are ruining my country, I am no longer saying please stop.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:52 pmFREE IRAQ!
April 6th, 2008 at 11:57 pmblue state bob Says:
They are scared little children most of whom have never even been to New York. Take your flags on your pick-up trucks and stuff them.
Rednecks are flag-wavers and disregard the Constitution, while Patriots of both the Left and the Right live by The Constitution.Rednecks blindly follow what any government (except Clinton and Carter) says without questioning their supposed authority.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:57 pmSo leave, Bob. I'll stay in/with the United States through thick and thin, no matter who our next president is. Its not your country either, it belongs to all of us.
April 6th, 2008 at 11:57 pmThat Guy 5 Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
So leave, Bob. I’ll stay in/with the United States through thick and thin, no matter who our next president is. Its not your country either, it belongs to all of us.
but you'll do anything to avoid service, won't you, bigmouth, worthless coward? You should be exiled; you don't deserve this country. You will be the one to leave, not we patriots. You will be driven out. History is against you. Your kind: the greedy, the traitorous, the racist, the hateful, always lose. Always.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:11 amAll these right-wing posters here are trash, cowards, racists, and just plain dumb.
Why don't you leave That Guy 5, you're the people who ruined this country. Why should I leave, I pay more taxes than you, contribute more, am a better person? You leave you POS.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:22 amThat Guy 5
When the republicans in congress had control they literally told the democrats to sit down and shut up that they(republicans)were in power.
That was a sad but true fact as evidenced by the decisions made by a government controlled by the right. Immoral war, economy going in the ditch, health care crisis, ect, etc.
Soon the shoe will be on the other foot and guess what my suggestion to the right is? The right has failed America at every turn in the last 7 years and the evidence can no longer be hidden.
A perfect example is this thread which you use to rationalize your greed and violence is about the loss of two more American soldiers to your Imperialist adventure.....and never needed to happen.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:22 amI am shocked and amazed that neither of the war advocates on this thread would answer my question of how many more years we should spend American lives in quest of empire.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:23 amShocked, I tell you!
The republicans were in the minority in this country for 40 years. There is a reason for that.
Over the years as the democrats fairly competently ran things the repubs convinces a few more people at a time that they would be better at running things.
The fallacy of that statement is before our eyes today. The only thing the conservative party in America can contribute is to play the part of the minority obstrutionist party........because even democrats can become drunk with too much power I suppose......It would be hard to come up with at comparison to what we have witnessed these last 7 years though.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:27 amWhat gives here. Two rocket attacks leave 3 American soldiers dead and another 31 injured. Was this two lucky hits or are the Madhi Army now using more powerful rockets. More powerful rockets would be a disturbing development but not one that comes as a surprise. It would be part of the surge success, after all.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:48 amJust a quick comment before bed.
I must take a minor exception to your calling the Republicriminals the "conservative" party. There is nothing conservative about the reckless radicals who have seized the Republican party and our government. They are dangerous ideologues who have gained the blind support of religious fanatics. That's the combination which has squandered the youth, treasure, honor and reputation of our country. Calling the neocon scum "conservative" perpetuates a myth and does a diservice to many fine, real, conservatives both past and present. It's really just semantics, but, I don't like seeing the guilty parties legitimized in even the smallest way.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:52 amThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
How come none of the discourse on the comment board is centered on how American troops can combat the threat and defeat the enemy?
Because staying in Iraq isn't "Balanced".
April 7th, 2008 at 5:16 amThe complete marginalization of any points of view beyond the extreme left is disgusting and dangerous.
Too bad I missed this thread yesterday. An ugly, mean little troll came here to pick a fight. I would have been happy to give it one. Anyone who describes 70% of America as "the extreme left" has completely exhausted his rhetorical ammunition.
This troll sounds like a real deadender to me, seething with bitterness that its world of Neocon propaganda and lies has been exposed, dooming its gang of fascists to defeat by the forces of good that remain in this country.
Listen up, freak: your time is coming to an end. Start getting used to the idea of permanent minority status for your broken political party.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:36 amSo you probably could have picked someone who hasn’t yet been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a corruption probe and who’s had a good part of a PBS Frontline investigation dedicated to their lies about Iraq.
I haven't yet been named as an unindicted co-conspirator either. Kilo, do you ever read your posts, before hitting the "enter" key? That one was a real doozy.
What exactly are you trying to say, by calling Murtha "someone who hasn't yet been named in a corruption probe?"
April 7th, 2008 at 7:00 amblue state bob Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 12:22 am
All these right-wing posters here are trash, cowards, racists, and just plain dumb.
Why don’t you leave That Guy 5, you’re the people who ruined this country. Why should I leave, I pay more taxes than you, contribute more, am a better person? You leave you POS.
Oh I get it. You pay more taxes than me so you "own" more of this country than I do. I'm sure I could earn more and pay more taxes if I hadn't spend three years in the peace corps. I guess I'll just pack my things, break up with your mom over a seafood dinner, and leave the country that I love. I'm sorry I "ruined" your country by voting.
Fred Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 12:22 am
That Guy 5
When the republicans in congress had control they literally told the democrats to sit down and shut up that they(republicans)were in power.
Speaker Pelosi and Majoriy Leader Reid have been doing a great job doing nothing. Its their strategy to elect a Democratic president: show that they are completely ineffective with Bush in office, and hope their frustrations will help gather votes.
I forget who asked how much longer we should spend in Iraq, so I'll just give my answer: 36 years. Seems like a good number. Us "republicriminals" don't need justification for opinions, right? Because we're fundamentally flawed in our logic?
VerbalKint Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 5:36 am
Listen up, freak: your time is coming to an end. Start getting used to the idea of permanent minority status for your broken political party.
I know you're talking about ThinkBalanced, but I just couldn't resist this one. The Republican party isn't broken, just out of favor. Principles like low taxes, strong national security, and the sanctity of the family as an institution aren't ideas that will just fade away. The Democrats, on the other hand, can't decide who should be their nominee for President. Last week's polls show 28% of Hillary supporters will vote for Senator McCain if Obama gets the nomination. That sounds like you don't have a firm grip on your base (read: broken).
April 7th, 2008 at 8:42 amblue state bob Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
And yet McCain is neck and neck with both Obama and Hillary, this country is filled with idiots. I’m truly looking into how I can get other citizenship, if this country elects another GOP idiot, I truly don’t want to live here anymore.
You said it, not me.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:52 amBlue State SOB,
The only reason this country would elect "another GOP idiot" would be if the majority of the people supported one--again. Let's see how well your 29% theory holds up come election time.
I'd give little boy Barak 10 states, max.
Experience matters, plain and simple. I think Barak might have a good chance at the Presidency when he earns his stripes.
For now, the country is really looking for a serious president who can get things done. Obama has been pretty good on the stump and is a very well-spoken young man. However, you'll see that America is really looking for a strong guy who can roll up his sleeves and get the job done.
You'll see.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:51 amKilo at #126 discredits Congressman John Murtha for stating that only 2 per cent of those who are fighting against American and coalition forces in Iraq are foreign jihadists. The pseudo expert curiously has nothing to say about military reporter Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post also making the same claim as well as Senator Evan Bayh and former commandant of the Marine Corps James Jones. It is the United States presence that is exacerbating the violence and bloodshed in Iraq and this will continue to happen as well as drawing more members of Al Qaeda into the region as long as the U.S. continues to stupidly pursue its belligerent policy in the Middle East.
What the pseudo expert does not say [because he cannot intelligently make that claim] is why all those people would come up with the figure of 2 per cent. Is he claiming that the former commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps is lying as well as Thomas Ricks? What do they have to gain by lying? It should be obvious that the pseudo expert has zero credibility who has no reservations about presenting his false claims as if they are true.
April 7th, 2008 at 10:28 amThinkBalanced Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Writing off the soldiers’ effort as a doomed enterprise, with no potential for improvement or success.
ThinkB. You really need to get off this stupid idea that liberals don't support the troops, and that we should stay in the war to support the troops. Its such a transparent fallacy that you just sound as stupid as the idea. Troops are in Iraq because of their leadership, military and civilian. What liberals are against is the leadership which keeps them there. If the leadership ordered the soldiers home do you think they would stay? If you gave the solkiers an option to go or stay, do you think that to a man they would stay? Would even 5% stay?
Here is my deal. YOu stop this fallacious tripe, and I will stop asking the chickenhawks to prove their bravery by signing up for Iraq. Just aa stupid as your claim. I would though, like to see the war supporters contribute my share of the taxes needed to support the war. Seems logical and possible....
April 7th, 2008 at 10:36 amJust to be clear, the overwhelming majority of those people who are aligned against the U.S. and coalition forces are the Iraqi resistance fighters, not members of Al Qaeda that Mr. Kilo seems to be implying are the ones that are fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.
April 7th, 2008 at 10:37 amI know this thread is dead but I just couldn't resist this one. You may be right but you sure read indicators differently than everyone else to make such an assessment.
lower taxes during a recession which the right not only allowed to happen but basically happened by thier design will no longer be on the table. No matter who is in office next they will raise taxes. The only difference is who will bear the brunt of those taxes....
strong national security under this admin has proven to be a joke.....any kid could have planned better than this. You don't put inocompetent people in charge of serious matters and seriously expect positive results do you.....well it appears that you do.
Strong family values.....ha, like the right knows anything at all about that. It is just a convenient flag for you to wave to get your way like patriotism(fake in your case).
get used to being in the minority.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:32 amFred Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 11:32 am
lower taxes during a recession which the right not only allowed to happen but basically happened by thier design will no longer be on the table. No matter who is in office next they will raise taxes. The only difference is who will bear the brunt of those taxes….
And also the degree of taxation. I think you are right that the next president will raise taxes, but without a doubt Obama or Clinton would raise it more than McCain to support their socialized medicine plans. And the degree of taxation on carbon dioxide emissions will be higher with a Democrat. As for the comment regarding the "design" of our recession, maybe Democrats should be more responsible with their mortgages.
strong national security under this admin has proven to be a joke…..any kid could have planned better than this. You don’t put inocompetent people in charge of serious matters and seriously expect positive results do you…..well it appears that you do.
We haven't had a domestic terrorist attack since 9/11.
Strong family values…..ha, like the right knows anything at all about that. It is just a convenient flag for you to wave to get your way like patriotism(fake in your case).
At least we're waving flags and not burning them.
get used to being in the minority.
It hasn't been that bad so far considering Democrats have completely bowed to every Republican demand. Name a single major legislative victory the Democrats have had in the 110th session of Congress without having compromised key goals to the Republicans. I won't hold my breath.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:47 amThat Guy 5 Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 11:47 am
At least we’re waving flags and not burning them.
Which is a clear sign of patriotism...right.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:12 pmSurely patriotism isn't threatening to leave the country and renounce your citizenship if your preferred Presidential candidate isnt elected.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm