Hundreds of Iraqis flee Baghdad.
By on Apr 7th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hundreds of Iraqis flee Baghdad.
At least 14 Iraqi civilians were killed in clashes in Baghdad today; nine of the casualties occurred in Sadr City, the Mahdi Militia’s stronghold that “has been under siege since last week by about 1,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops.” Three American troops were also killed, and hundreds of Iraqis fled Baghdad “as U.S. and Iraqi forces increased pressure on anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who faces an ultimatum to either disband his Mahdi Army or give up politics.”
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If Iraqis want to be really safe they ought to stick to strolling through outdoor. carpet bazaars.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:13 pmToday it seems that we have now turned from a War of Occupation to fighting in the Civil War among the Iraqi Peoples on behalf of the puppet government supported by the Bush Administration. Absolutely sickening to keep hearing their spin placed on this debacle. This farce will continue with us spending 12 billion dollars a month to keep it going, as well as more deaths and wounding of American soldiers, not counting many many more dead Iraqi people. The lies, arrogance, and deceit continue unbated out of Washington.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pmThat only means there will be more room to vacation in Iraq this summer for America's reich-wing GOPigs.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pmThe best democracy the barrel of a rifle can provide.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:28 pmAn intelligent tactic would be to back al-Sadr, instead of fighting him. He's got the best chance of anyone, to bring Iraqis together.
....But then, we'd have to leave.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pmBut wait, wasn't last week's offensive by Maliki the "Defining Moment" for Iraq and a chance to show the world that the government was able to defend itself from a gang of thugs? That's what Boy George said. Why are American soldiers dying this week? And why did thousands of Iraqi soldiers strip off their uniforms and turn to the dark side?
And the biggest why of all, why does anyone on the face of the earth still support Bush's War?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pmIraqis fleeing Baghdad?
This MUST be good news. I can hardly wait for President Bush to tell us how.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pmOr I could just let mintermd to explain it. He's obviously plugged into the Delusion Hotline™.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pmWow.. kicked Ambar terrorists out (Check)
Not by us.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:38 pmUmmm? I think it's Anbar not Ambar. But hey, trolls don't care. (check)
April 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pmBasra - formerly peaceful, now all cocked up - check!!
Big bunch of dead civilians - check!!
Mr. Wintermd has gotten ahold of some of that fine Afghan H, I see.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pmSewage visible from space - check!!
Crooked contractors all monied up - check!!
April 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pmWow.. kicked Ambar terrorists out (Check)
- - Phew, those guys are as bad as the ones from Amway.
(cough).
April 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm1 Million Iraqis killed - check
4.5 million displaced Iraqis - check
locals taking charge? mmmhhh, that was happening when Saddam was in power, right?
Oh...I forgot: Better killed by us than repressed by others.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pmah… thanks double check…locals taking charge
Twice wrong. They hate us as much as the terrorists.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:46 pmHerr dubyah's economy a complete failure (check)
Dollar at the lowest in US history (check)
Gas prices at the highest in US history (check)
both of herr dubyah's wars are failures (check)
Reich-wingers will be a permanent minority (check)
April 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pmLook like we are doing some house cleaning, before troups rotate out.
Wow.. kicked Ambar terrorists out (Check)
Cleaned .. Mahdi out of the oil port (check)
whats left? Oh Sadar city (Check)
Dem’s plan to “cut and run” now in turmoil (check)
-wintermd
All the more reason to get the f@ck out of Dodge. The Iraqis can decide their own path.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pmThe Surge to get out of Bagdad is working.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pmThe only troops wintermd wants out of Iraq are the dead ones. They've served their purpose, and that way he won't have to pay for their rehab.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pmbeing psychotic enough to comment glibly over lots of dead people - check!!
April 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pmtombaker Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Mr. Wintermd has gotten ahold of some of that fine Afghan H, I see.
Keep in mind that the troll claimed, on another thread, to have been a Navy pilot that attacked any Soviet nuclear sub trying to get out of port -- and that he'd been "irradiated". Oh, yeah, and that his dear old Dad lost 10 B-52s in WWII.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pmWintermoron, what VP or VS squadrons were you in and when?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pmWill you reich-wingers be wearing your purple heart band-aides this year at the RNC convention in honor of Mc100yearwar.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pmpops is over here too?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pmOh, yeah, and that his dear old Dad lost 10 B-52s in WWII.
Billions of dollars worth of weapons lost in Iraq; what is it with Righties and weapons? They just can't seem to hold onto anything with a trigger.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pmJuan C. I'm sure you must be wrong on that figure -- and I'm sure wintermd will back me up on this -- I've heard that the true number of Iraqi dead over the past five years is maybe fifteen or twenty. Definitely less than a hundred.
Not sure where that number comes from but who cares? It says what we want it to say, right, wintermd?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pmwintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
been a Navy pilot that attacked any Soviet nuclear sub trying to get out of port
you said that…not me
It's either the H or senility.
wintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I did 8 years reg Navy, then 12 reserve. Had a good old time chasing Soviet Nuke Subs. Good, news.. we nailed them every time they went out. I was shot at, radiated, and even jumped by fighters.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pmWill you reich-wingers be wearing your purple heart band-aides this year at the RNC convention in honor of Mc100yearwar.
Oh, yeah, baby! Someone's got to run off a few hundred thousand units, and put them everywhere, with a reminder which party wore them at the convention.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pmWintermoron is moments away from telling us she own 4 cars, lives in gated beach front community, owns a 5000 sq ft house, vacations to Europe 3 times/yr, her kids go to elite private schools, and her business earns 4 million/year.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pmWhile the ladies pick up, why don't you tell us about that time the Ruskies radiated you. Come on Pops. We love that one. Shall with refill that highball glass before you begin?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pmWe're waiting....
April 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pmPerhaps Purple-Heart bandaid concession stands, outside of McCain political events. What are they gonna' say about it? They started wearing them first!
April 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pmthe whole "blood and guts" thing is not only tired as hell, it doesn't apply remotely to the middle east situation.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pmWintermoron has watched one too many Jack Ryan movies.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pmwintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
dear old Dad lost 10 B-52s in WWII.
If you are going to quote me at least get it right.
B24’s…you know..GOOGLE it
Indeed, my mistake. The delusional airplanes were obviously B-24s, not B-52s. Wrong war.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:06 pmWell, 15 minutes have gone by and wintermoron refuses to answer questions regarding her "military service". It's clear she is a fraud, has never wore the uniform, and is just another run-of-mill, lying, chickenhawk reich-winger.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm20 minutes later and wintermoron cannot supply the names of her squadrons and the dates she served.
Exposed as a fraud......
April 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pmNow, now, Dr. Matt -- sometimes the internets don't run so smooth and it takes a few Google searches to land on the right info to fake one's service. Cut wintermd some slack.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pmCome on guys ease up. I just wanna hear about the irradiation. That must have been a hoot!
April 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pmThis madness must end, the constant spin from the Republicans must be challenged, every time the clam is made about Iraqi progress. I don't have answers about how to solve there civil war, but the U.S. isn't going to fix it. When Bush closes his eyes at night, he BETTER pray for forgiveness, if not, he'll surely go to HELL.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pmAs a veteran of the P-3 community, I want YOU to tell us about the Navy.
We're waiting....
April 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pmHow come the trolls try to take every conversation and make it about themselves?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pmThis guy didn't see abc news, yep msm, this evening after a speech by cheney they interviewed a number of our fine soldiers in Iraq.
The question they asked was who are you voting for and why. Not one said they were voting for mccain. They all said Obama or Hillary and the reason was that we need to get out of Iraq.......
So now it looks like you are making disparaging remarks about our soldiers in the field as well as the democrats. Maybe you should re-evaluate the realities that surround you.
Not very patriotic of you really.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pmwintermd bought one of those old Soviet era submarine clocks on E-Bay, and the radium paint caused some irregular bowel movements.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pmI particularly enjoy that troll tactic of responding to pointed questions with derision but no answers. "You people must be so stupid that you don't even understand what I'm talking about."
They must think it's very effective.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pm"wintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
1 Million Iraqis killed - check
sniff test… check"
Fine, I guess I'll have to post the scatilogical retort: wintermd's undies are full, like a good troll.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pmThinking about it, Purple Heart bandaids are passe'.
We need a symbol; something to represent the callous disregard which republicans show the troops, and bring home the cost of this war to our soldiers. Something... like shoe taps. The Righties can stay home and tap dance around with reasons for not serving, or with tales of fictional past service - but it's a dance many returning servicemen won't be able to perform, with only one good leg.
It would be an easy thing to do, simply nail some taps to an old pair of combat boots, and encourage young war supporters to try them on, outside political rallies.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:24 pmAnd I'm sure the chickenhawk cheerleaders would be able to put a new spin on the "buckwing."
April 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pmArguing over troll boys service record is ignoring the primary topic, which is if things are so peachy in Baghdad, why are people fleeing as fast as they can?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pmSomeone needs to grow some balls and start to stand up for peace.
Stop all this nonsense about how heroic it is to go around killing. It's the 21st century. A new millenium. A time to reach out to build an earth community not an empire.
Don't any of you see how ridiculous it is to continue arguing about how combat is somehow to be lauded and praised. We throw people in jail in this country for violence at a level that harms others.....Domestic violence, child abuse, murder. It is time to break our chains to the military industrial empire. They are enriching themselves and bleeding America dry.
Wintermd, does it occur to you that it was the capitulation and apathy of the German people to question the methods and techniques of Hitler that brought Germany to its knees. Does any part of that sound familiar? We invade a sovereign nation based on lines and then make excuses as to why we need to continue to occupy it?
Stupid foolish Americans who continue to romanticize the military. It's time for some major attitude adjustments. How many bombs and guns will it take to win their hearts and minds huh?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pmwintermd is a traitor check
April 7th, 2008 at 7:36 pmis mr. wintergreen the old bert convy or something?
this kind of hysterical incoherence reminds me of someone....
April 7th, 2008 at 7:37 pmDouble check.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pmcome on wintermd you answer our questions for a change. answer to post # 50 and why you would say our soldiers are cut and run cowards.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pmhey wintergreen - why did reagan cut-and-run from lebanon, instead of allowing the gulf war and 9/11 to happen - he could've cleaned house back then, and wussed out instead.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pmThree American troops were also killed, and hundreds of Iraqis fled Baghdad “as U.S. and Iraqi forces increased pressure on anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who faces an ultimatum to either disband his Mahdi Army or give up politics.”
And they think this kind of bullying tactics are going to work. They obviously haven't learned anything about the Iraqi people. This is just going to make al Sadr stronger and more popular. The Iraqi's don't respond positively to being threatened or bullied.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:43 pmChris Matthews just had a couple of guys on to do the pros and cons of staying in Iraq.
I'm not sure who the "pro" guy was (the other guy was Jon Stoltz) but he was a dweeb and I'm happy to say that Chris was quite hard on him.
At one point they were talking about how the Dems both are saying to leave by summer 2010 and how the pro-war people are saying that that's reckless. So Chris basically challenged the guy to say, if two years is reckless, how many years would be okay with him? The dweeb responded with something like, "Hopefully not much longer than that." Okay, so, again, how many years would be okay?
I guess they think they can get away with saying, "Between 2 years and 100 years".
April 7th, 2008 at 7:44 pmhey wintermind, why did nixon cut and run from hanoi?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pmhow many troops lost in Kosovo?
how much did it cost?
how is geo. bush jr. NOT a scandal??
April 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pmComparing Bosnia to Iraq is so accurate. After all we have 150,000 troops in there, and have set up an unpopular government, and have spent billions for a at best shaky peace while over extending the army.. Oh wait
April 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pmyet another Righty liar/excusemaker.
there's never been any honor in bullying, winterdip, in case you were somehow unaware of that.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:47 pmI'm still waiting for wintermd to tell me why Iraqis fleeing Baghdad means we're winning.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:47 pmFrom the USA Today article:
Facing broad political opposition, key al-Sadr aides went on the defensive Monday, insisting that banning them from politics would be unconstitutional. They proposed talks to resolve the standoff.
"We are calling for dialogue as a way to solve problems among Iraqi groups," al-Sadr aide Salah al-Obeidi told AP Television News in the holy city of Najaf. "Al-Sadr's office affirms that the door is open to reach an understanding regarding these problems."
Another al-Sadr aide, Hassan al-Zarqani, told The Associated Press by telephone from Iran that the Sadrists would consult Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and other top Shiite clerics in Iraq. If they "recommend he disband the Mahdi Army, he will obey," al-Zarqani said.
* * *
Sounds like that goddam al-Sadr's outta control [he said, ironically].
What in the hell are we doing?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:49 pmVinnie Says:
How come the trolls try to take every conversation and make it about themselves?
Because the people here let them do it?
April 7th, 2008 at 7:51 pmYou liberal folks don't even know the right metric. How can you say that Bush's War and the Surge are failing when you don't even know how to measure?
There are over 4,000 american soldiers dead and tens of thousands who will sufer for the rest of their lives for Bush's ego. We will have pissed away several trillion dollars and squandered any honor our country had.
So the fck what?
How many Muslims are dying? How many non Christians are maimed and will suffer for the rest of their lives? Many, many more Muslims are suffering than Christians. Check.
And that, my friends, is the proper metric. Jesus approves of Bush's War, and so shall wintermd.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pm"Bring 'em on" said Bush...
History News Network’s poll of 109 historians found that 61 percent of them rank Bush as “worst ever” among U.S. presidents. Bush’s key competition comes from Buchanan, apparently, and a further 2 percent of the sample puts Bush right behind Buchanan as runner-up for “worst ever.” 96 percent of the respondents place the Bush presidency in the bottom tier of American presidencies. And was his presidency (it’s a bit wishful to speak of his presidency in the past tense–after all there are several more months left to go) a success or failure? On that score the numbers are still more resounding: 98 percent label it a “failure.”
And so they "came on." And on, and on and on. And the surge is working. And the moon is made of green cheese. And the legacy is already in the books. The historians "came on" too.
Jan. 20, 2009=The end of an error!
April 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pmHere's a link to the HNN poll.
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html
Oh yeah, before I forget.
Daily attacks on the Green Zone, "the most secure area in Iraq"? Check and mate.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pmIraqis fleeing their country is a sign of progress, I'm sure. Just ask the Bush Regime! They'll tell ya it is.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pmHow many of these trash even own a passport? I love how they talk about places they have never been. You cannot afford a ticket to go see Walt Disney, so that's why you drive to Branson. To those who visit many countries, you garbage/trash embarrass us.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pmExcellent and accurate depiction of Iraq. Glad to see you're coming around, you POS loser.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:31 pmHerr dubyah didn't protect us from 9/11 or the anthrax attacks following 9/11. herr dubyah = utter failure on national security. Fact.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:33 pmHours and hours later yet wintermoron, the complete and utter failure, has provided no proof or information about her "military service". You've been exposed as a POS liar and fraud.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmIt's not our country and we have no right to be there.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmHow would Americans feel if they had troops and bases over here?
The golden rule is do unto others as.....
It seems to me that if we follow that rule we will be ok,
but nothing good can come from breaking it.
USA getting its ass kicked in Iraq...check
chickenhawks making up stories of their own failed careers...check
American troops killed for no reason in ME...check
GOP finished for decades...check
Green Zone now as dangerous as front lines...check
Bush and betrayus incompetent traitors...check
9/11 Bush's legacy...check
Bin Laden got all he wanted...check
No Americans killed or wounded in Yugoslavia...check
oil prices tripled under Bush...check
wintermd sick psycho liar...check
April 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pmwintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Never owned a passport, the scary foreigners scaring you?? You are trash, please stop talking. You know nothing, contribute nothing and do nothing
April 7th, 2008 at 10:03 pmWow. The trolls just keep getting more stupid and disingenuous. Even if the mistakes of a previous administration were justification for the misdeeds of the current administration (Hint: Such is not the case.), even PNAC isn't silly enough to conflate Bosnia and Iraq. Why? Because the U.S. forces were used in the former Yugoslavia, under U.N. control, in hopes of stopping an ongoing genocide.
Iraq on the other hand, no matter how vile the Hussein regime, was a stable, prosperous, nation. And Bushco forbade ANY U.N. involvement. In fact, that was the first red flag I saw.
I asked myself, "If this is legit why is the U.N. being cut out of the loop"? The answer, of course, is that there was nothing legit about our invasion of Iraq. Colin Powell was sent to deliberately lie to the U.N, and force a hands off policy, to the detriment of all involved.
If anyone is too stupid to see the difference I humbly suggest you take a deep breath and count to a thousand. Since you are obviously too stupid to manage such a task, and remember to breathe, we will no longer be plagued by your idiocy.
April 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pmBTW. I'm quite sure that Iran doesn't feel "surrounded". Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, ARE surrounded, pinned down, and cut off. That might be why at least a quarter of them are suffering from serious stress induced maladies.
Surrounded. Pinned down. Cut off. No relief in site.
And all the while the blood of our youth is soaking into the sand to protect the profits, and egos, of criminals.
April 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pmwintermd Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
"...out why the USA has been safe for the last 6 years.
Priceless to have the Dems so clueless."
Oh - I think we know all about clueless - thanks for the demonstration Mr. Wintermd. Who could foget the veritable siege we were under for so many years before the Mayberry Machiavellis, led by the glorious Cheerleader Prince, cheated their way into Washington to loot the treasury for their taskmasters. That was awesome the way the blew off pre-9/11 intelligence that could have thwarted the attack, and even better the way they let OBL trot off to wherever the hell he mocks them from now. Yes, I am really f'ing impressed with them, I'll tell ya.
You are a certifiable idiot, son, for buying into what the Cheerleader Prince and his gang of used car salesmen are selling. A Grade AA, Select Premium Rube, sucker, patsy and pigeon. You've been had in ways that crack whores would say no to, and you're too g*ddammed dumb to know it.
With citizens like you, why would any Country on Earth need enemies?
April 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmThanks for that, tombaker. I will be using that over and over again.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:16 pmwell put!
USA now surrounds Iran
And this is some kind of a good thing for why?
April 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pmFor how smart Repubicans think they are, they actually believe they have a chance of winning the election. They must be one of the most ignorant and self absorbed people to (dis)grace this planet let alone the US.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pmI just saw on cnn, nic Roberts (a reporter)witnessed Iraq troops stopping in battle to take a launch break. It took the American Captain to convince the troops go back in battle. HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND TO TRAIN THESE TROOPS?
April 7th, 2008 at 11:38 pmNoLies, it's not only how much we spent, it's how much we're bribing them not to shoot us in the back as well.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:49 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/badvoodoo/
April 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pmI thought McCain and Lieberman declared Mission Accomplished in Basra already. Could the military geniuses have been misinformed?
April 8th, 2008 at 12:26 amINDICT IMPRISON IMPEACH CHENNEY AND BUSH. HAGUE 2009!
April 8th, 2008 at 1:08 amApril 8th, 2008 at 1:09 am
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FOUR MORE $URGE$!
FOUR MORE $URGE$!
... er...
FOUR MORE WAR$!
FOUR MORE WAR$!
... er...
FOUR MORE THOU$AND!
FOUR MORE THOU$AND!
... er...
stay the course?
THER'$ A KILLING TO BE HAS AT MAKING WAR$!
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April 8th, 2008 at 1:39 amThe bloodshed needs to end. If Bush and Cheney were convicted for all the lives lost on both sides, Life in prison doesn't seem good enough.
All their assets should be seized also. Hurt them were it will do the most damage to guys like that, in their wallet.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:29 amBillions of dollars worth of weapons lost in Iraq; what is it with Righties and weapons? They just can’t seem to hold onto anything with a trigger.
Kilo:You know, I read shit like this in every thread, every day, but it’s that damn Kilo I just can’t understand.
Talking to yourself? Seek help. Too bad you can't figure out a joke.
April 8th, 2008 at 7:48 am