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ThinkFast: April 7, 2008

By Think Progress on Apr 7th, 2008 at 9:00 am

ThinkFast: April 7, 2008


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CNN reports that “President Bush is planning to address the nation Thursday morning about the Iraq war,” following two days of congressional testimony by Amb. Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus. Bush “is expected to discuss the administration’s decision to reduce combat tours of duty from 15 months to 12 months, as well as the future in Iraq.”

Tomorrow on Capitol Hill, Gen. David Petraeus “is expected to call for halting troop reductions that began in December for about six months to assess the security situation.” Petraeus’ recommendation “would keep about 140,000 troops in Iraq — 10,000 more than before the surge of troops last year.

USA Today reports that “[t]he percentage of recruits requiring a waiver to join the Army because of a criminal record or other past misconduct has more than doubled since 2004.” Since last October, “13% of recruits have entered the Army with conduct waivers” compared to 11% for all of last year.

“The national average price for gasoline jumped 5 cents the past two weeks according to the bi-weekly Lundberg Survey of 7,000 stations. The average price of self-serve regular gasoline Friday was $3.32 a gallon, mid-grade was $3.44 and premium was $3.55, according to the Lundberg Survey.”

It isn’t just happening on Main Street.” Roll Call reports that the banking crisis “may have cost 51 Members [of Congress] as much as $13.2 million in stock value during the past 15 months.”

Last year, Congress adopted strict ethics rules “requiring members to disclose when they steered federal money to pet projects.” Lawmakers, however, are still relying on “soft earmarks,” in which they direct “billions of dollars to favored organizations by making vague requests rather than issuing explicit instructions to government agencies in committee reports and spending bills.”

Government auditors are investigating the $2.6 billion Veterans Affairs employees charged to agency credit cards last year, which included “hundreds of thousands of dollars in government credit-card bills at casino and luxury hotels, movie theaters, and high-end retailers such as Sharper Image and Franklin Covey.”

Security officials have extinguished the Olympic flame amid heavy protests” in Paris, the AP reports. The torch was extinguished due to “pro-Tibetan protests” that “broke out along its path.”

President Bush and Vladimir Putin met for a final time in Russia on Sunday. While Bush hailed the conversation as “a significant breakthrough” on the contentious issue of missile defense, “Putin was more cautious, saying it ‘does not provide any breakthrough’ and that ‘the devil is in the details.’”

And finally: While traveling, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice likes to work out on the elliptical machine. White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, however, prefers bowling. While in Romania for the NATO summit, Bolten “sneaked off the first night for an evening of bowling, along with communications director Kevin Sullivan and some others.” In Zagreb, Croatia, he also “hit the local Harley-Davidson store, where he bought a T-shirt. Then, in Sochi, he hit another bowling alley.”

What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.



68 Responses to “ThinkFast: April 7, 2008”

  1. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    The U.S. establishment media in a nutshell

    In the past two weeks, the following events transpired:

    (a) A Department of Justice memo, authored by John Yoo, was released which authorized torture and presidential lawbreaking. (b) It was revealed that the Bush administration declared the Fourth Amendment of the Bill of Rights to be inapplicable to “domestic military operations” within the U.S. (c) The U.S. Attorney General appears to have fabricated a key event leading to the 9/11 attacks and made patently false statements about surveillance laws and related lawsuits. (d) Barack Obama went bowling in Pennsylvania and had a low score.

    Here are the number of times, according to NEXIS, that various topics have been mentioned in the media over the past thirty days:

    “Yoo and torture” – 102
    “Mukasey and 9/11″ — 73
    “Yoo and Fourth Amendment” — 16
    “Obama and bowling” — 1,043
    “Obama and Wright” — More than 3,000 (too many to be counted)
    “Obama and patriotism” – 1,607
    “Clinton and Lewinsky” — 1,079

    …Think about it this way: if you were a high government official and watched as — all in a couple of weeks time — it is revealed, right out in the open, that you suspended the Fourth Amendment, authorized torture, proclaimed yourself empowered to break the law, and sent the nation’s top law enforcement officer to lie blatantly about how and why the 9/11 attacks happened so that you could acquire still more unchecked spying power and get rid of lawsuits that would expose what you did, and the political press in this country basically ignored all of that and blathered on about Obama’s bowling score and how he eats chocolate, wouldn’t you also conclude that you could do anything you want, without limits, and know there will be no consequences? What would be the incentive to stop doing all of that?

    Edited from Glenn Greenwald at Salon:
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/05/media/index.html


  2. tom says:

    What did you miss?

    I heard on the radio this morning the results of a survey of a considerable number of historians.

    98 percent said that GDumbya will go down in history as a failed presi-dunce.

    More than 60 percent said that he will go down as the worst presi-dunce in history. An additional 30 percent said that he will go down as one of the worst.


  3. hussein toasterhead says:

    “hundreds of thousands of dollars in government credit-card bills at casino and luxury hotels, movie theaters, and high-end retailers such as Sharper Image and Franklin Covey.”

    Whoa whoa whoa — you mean people actually BUY things at The Sharper Image?


  4. misshusseinmolly says:

    I suspect the reality of our military strength may be starting to set in. On the one hand, we have Petraeus expected to ask that troop withdrawals come to a grinding halt — on the other hand, we also have the military scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill their uniforms. So what will Bush say about the future of Iraq? If he wants to maintain the occupation at the current strength, he’s going to have to find a way to do it with a diminished military, unless he plans to reinstate the draft. Even with stop-loss, there are limits.


  5. misshusseinmolly says:

    Roll Call reports that the banking crisis “may have cost 51 Members [of Congress] as much as $13.2 million in stock value during the past 15 months.”
    _______________________________________

    The cynic in me believes that if there’s a way for Congress to shore up their own stock values while ignoring the needs of Americans just trying to get by, they will.


  6. hussein toasterhead says:

    tom Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am
    What did you miss?

    I heard on the radio this morning the results of a survey of a considerable number of historians.

    98 percent said that GDumbya will go down in history as a failed presi-dunce.
    _____

    But that surey is inaccurate! Historians are biased towards a past-looking conception of history. If they want to know what the future opinion of this administration will be, they need to talk to futurists.

    You know, like the ones who predicted we’d have flying cars and a moon colony by 1998.


  7. celtic cynic says:

    “It isn’t just happening on Main Street.” Roll Call reports that the banking crisis “may have cost 51 Members [of Congress] as much as $13.2 million in stock value during the past 15 months.”

    Oh, BOO HOO


  8. hussein toasterhead says:

    misshusseinmolly Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    I suspect the reality of our military strength may be starting to set in. On the one hand, we have Petraeus expected to ask that troop withdrawals come to a grinding halt — on the other hand, we also have the military scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill their uniforms.
    ______

    Don’t forget about Bush touring Eastern Europe recruiting for NATO. If the draft and stop-loss policies don’t work out, we could import some Ukranian and Albanian troops super-cheap.


  9. cerberus says:

    15 members of congress losing $13.2 million? Guess Bush’s brand of fascism is “coming home to roost”. Maybe now they’ll get off their fat asses and impeach this charlatan?


  10. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    “It isn’t just happening on Main Street.” Roll Call reports that the banking crisis “may have cost 51 Members [of Congress] as much as $13.2 million in stock value during the past 15 months.”

    Too bad so sad. It’s too bad that the Republicans didn’t think this thing through. Why they thought that bankrupting this country and sending it into a recession/depression would not affect them is beyond me. Perhaps they all forgot to take a basic economics class in college.


  11. cerberus says:

    How did Russia fall? What came first – the chicken or the egg? Military failure, political failure, and then financial failure. Looks like we’re hell bent on duplicating Russia’s story.


  12. cerberus says:

    #8 – Add to that “Boo Effin Hoo!”.


  13. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Lawmakers, however, are still relying on “soft earmarks,” in which they direct “billions of dollars to favored organizations by making vague requests rather than issuing explicit instructions to government agencies in committee reports and spending bills.

    There is a simple solution to this earmark problem. Just pass a law that says that there can only be one single subject per bill passed. Then once or twice a year, pass one law for earmarks. Not all earmarks are bad. Many fund very worthy projects. What is bad about them is their lack of transparency. So, the “earmarks” bill should require 1) strict disclosure of who is asking for the money and 2) where exactly the money will be spent.


  14. Mr. Evil says:

    Tomorrow on Capitol Hill, Gen. David Petraeus “is expected to call for halting troop reductions that began in December for about six months to assess the security situation.”

    A guy goes to the doctor and the doctor says he only has 6 months to live. The guy couldn’t pay his bill, the doctor gave him another 6 months.

    You see how ridiculous this merry-go-round is? “We need 6 months to assess the situation.” So after 4-5 years they’ll say they need another 6 months to reassess the situation. Someone needs to stop this insane bullshit now!


  15. tom says:

    Here’s the link to the historian survey I noted in #3 –> http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

    Here are a couple notable quotes from the article:

    One historian indicated that his reason for rating Bush as worst is that the current president combines traits of some of his failed predecessors: “the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover. . . . . God willing, this will go down as the nadir of American politics.” Another classified Bush as “an ideologue who got the nation into a totally unnecessary war, and has broken the Constitution more often than even Nixon. He is not a conservative, nor a Christian, just an immoral man . . . .” Still another remarked that Bush’s “denial of any personal responsibility can only be described as silly.”

    “It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent.

    “George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”


  16. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Government auditors are investigating the $2.6 billion Veterans Affairs employees charged to agency credit cards last year, which included “hundreds of thousands of dollars in government credit-card bills at casino and luxury hotels, movie theaters, and high-end retailers such as Sharper Image and Franklin Covey.”

    Wow, it appears that the Bush Administration took office and then told everyone, go have a ball on the government’s dime. There will be no accountability whatsoever.

    Can anyone remember anything this administration has done to find anyone accountable for any action?


  17. Chocolate Jesus says:

    > It was revealed that the Bush
    > administration declared the Fourth
    > Amendment of the Bill of Rights to
    > be inapplicable to “domestic military operations”

    Normally I’m a strong supporter of an attorneys right to give his honest legal opinion about any matter, but Yoo’s “opinions” are so delusional I beleive they cannot be recognized as legitimate legal advice. In Yoo’s bizarro world, any government official who wants to violate the constitution can do so as long as he labels his actions in a certain way. Want to search without a warrant? Just call it a “scan” instead of a “search” and you’ll be ok.. I’m sure this guy would have done a good job as a lawyer for hitler, stalin, or saddam..


  18. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    Iran to OPEC: Stop Oil Sales in Dollars

    War Drums Beat Louder

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is urging OPEC members to form a joint bank and stop pricing oil trades in U.S. dollars.
    According to the Iranian government’s Web site, Ahmadinejad told OPEC the cartel “should establish a joint bank as well as having joint currency.”

    Oil is priced in U.S. dollars on the world market, and the currency’s depreciation has concerned producers because it has contributed to rising crude prices and eroded the value of their dollar reserves.

    Iran has repeatedly urged OPEC members to shift sales away from dollar. But Iran’s proposal to trade oil in a basket of currencies is not supported by enough OPEC members, which include staunch U.S. allies such as leading producer Saudi Arabia.

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32525

    ** Don’t forget the Iranians opened their own trading bourse just weeks ago that does NOT accept U.S. dollars.


  19. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    Chocolate Jesus Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Normally I’m a strong supporter of an attorneys right to give his honest legal opinion about any matter, but Yoo’s “opinions” are so delusional I beleive they cannot be recognized as legitimate legal advice. In Yoo’s bizarro world, any government official who wants to violate the constitution can do so as long as he labels his actions in a certain way. Want to search without a warrant? Just call it a “scan” instead of a “search” and you’ll be ok.. I’m sure this guy would have done a good job as a lawyer for hitler, stalin, or saddam..
    ———————–
    And the entire media mentioned it only 16 times. It must not be too important?


  20. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    The cynic in me believes that if there’s a way for Congress to shore up their own stock values while ignoring the needs of Americans just trying to get by, they will.

    Why do you think Congress sat idly by watching the Feds pour billions of our tax dollars into bailing out Bear Sterns. It’s in their own financial best interest to bail out the institutions, but not the ailing homeowners.

    What I would like to know is where the Feds got the authority to spend our taxpayer dollars without going through Congress. I thought that Congress was the only governmental body that could spend our taxpayer funds.


  21. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    manicare Says:
    Most of all the US oil refiners lost money last fiscal quarter! Just a heads up for TP to give us more info on the subject!

    Well, since you think this is a fact, why don’t you link to the reliable news source you read it on. Only thing I have read is the gross profits the US oil companies have been reporting for the last year.


  22. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Clinton Chief Strategist Pushed Out — ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, Jake Tapper and Eloise Harper Report: Mark Penn has been pushed out as chief strategist of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign after his work on a Colombian free-trade agreement that Clinton opposes, sources tell ABC News.

    Does that mean she doesn’t have to pay him the millions she owes him? That’s a clever way to reduce your debt load. Just fire the people you owe lots of money to.

    Clinton should have done this a long time ago. That man has been nothing but an embarrassment to her.


  23. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    Chocolate Jesus Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:36 am
    ———————–

    From Glenn Greenwald at Salon dot com on John Yoo:

    The fact that John Yoo is a Professor of Law at Berkeley and is treated as a respectable, serious expert by our media institutions, reflects the complete destruction over the last eight years of whatever moral authority the United States possessed. Comporting with long-held stereotypes of two-bit tyrannies, we’re now a country that literally exempts our highest political officials from the rule of law, and have decided that there should be no consequences when they commit serious felonies.

    John Yoo’s Memorandum, as intended, directly led to — caused — a whole series of war crimes at both Guantanamo and in Iraq. The reason such a relatively low-level DOJ official was able to issue such influential and extraordinary opinions was because he was working directly with, and at the behest of, the two most important legal officials in the administration: George Bush’s White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales, and Dick Cheney’s counsel (and current Chief of Staff) David Addington. Together, they deliberately created and authorized a regime of torture and other brutal interrogation methods that are, by all measures, very serious war crimes.

    If writing memoranda authorizing torture — actions which then directly lead to the systematic commission of torture — doesn’t make one a war criminal in the U.S., what does?


  24. Tawdry says:

    #3, tom – there is an article in Harper’s Monthly titled Worst.President.Ever. Here is a quote by one of the historians and it says it all – “No individual president can compare to the second Bush. Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”


  25. Ike_Skelton says:

    What did you miss???:

    Report: US no closer to Iraq goals

    BAGHDAD, Iraq – The United States is no closer to achieving its goals in Iraq than it was a year ago but a quick military withdrawal could lead to massive chaos and even genocide, according to a report released Sunday by a U.S. think tank.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_no_closer


  26. CitiDC says:

    Bowling?

    Nice to know we’re spending taxpayer dollars to send the White House staff clique to bowl in Croatia. Shouldn’t they be talking to their foreign counterparts?

    Really.


  27. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    What did we miss?

    Clinton Under Fire Over False Story Of Health Care Horror

    Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee.

    The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.[...]

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clinton-under-fire-over-f_n_95218.html

    Oh gee, imagine that. Another Hillary “misstatement”.


  28. Mr. Evil says:

    Hey Bilbo, do you ever get the impression that Hillary is as dilusional as George?


  29. Erroll says:

    Will Bush announce on Thursday that his daughters will be joining the army in order to help out with the surge? FDR’s four sons were in the military during World War II yet neither Bush nor Cheney [five deferments "other priorities"] have encouraged their daughters to join up and fight for their cause, a cause for which they were mysteriously absent during something called the Vietnam conflict. Those in power are quite content to advocate and wage war as long as they can call upon other people’s children to fight their wars.


  30. Chocolate Jesus says:

    >Iraq – Sadr Party Faces Rising Isolation

    Yep, the squelching of democracy in iraq. Lets call it what it really is. Sadr has massive popular support in the Shia populace, and the Maliki government knows that if his movement isnt repressed, it will gain alot of political power in the upcoming elections since Sadr boycotted the previous ones.

    So thanks Kilo for reminding us that we’re spending our blood and treasure in iraq supporting a government trying to suppress legitimate democracy .

    We’ll see what comes of it.


  31. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Petraeus’ recommendation “would keep about 140,000 troops in Iraq — 10,000 more than before the surge of troops last year.

    But it’s a SURGE, not an escalation! A surge, I tell you!


  32. Chocolate Jesus says:

    this is what Maliki’s really aiming for.. denying Sadrists the vote..

    http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32890320080407

    anyone who thinks Sadr is the only political figure with a militia in iraq is incredibly naive.

    apparently sadr is seeking advice from the Iranian cleric Sistani now, who is someone even the united states wont cross.

    i predict sadr will say “we disbanded” but not much will change, much like the governments Total Information Awarness program was officiall killed by congress yet continues under many different names today..


  33. Freedom Rebel says:

    GOP WISHES THE INTERNET HAD NEVER BEEN INVENTED

    It makes it way to easy for someone to document their crimes.
    An internet agitprop artist publishing the website “Republican Offenders dot com” has produced a list of 272 Republicans charged with criminal activity, 60 of which are pedophiles. Each name is linked to a group heading of the type of crime alleged or convicted. (Among the categories are rape, bribery and “assorted felonies”.)

    The list really has to be seen to be appreciated.

    Republican presidential campaign official Matthew Joseph Elliot was arrested for outstanding warrants in regard to his status as a sex offender and a 2006 case of sexual exploitation of a child. He briefly joined the Iowa Presidential Campaign staff of Mitt Romney before leaving to run for Iowa state legislature.

    Can you say background check… It lists Corruption, Bribery, Fraud, Rape, Felonies and more. The list in very long but you have to see it to appreciate it. Very tragic list, great Watchdog site.


  34. freedom lover says:

    Looks like we missed a bunch of rightwing lies and progaganda, according to Kilo.

    Oh, well, Kilo=Koolaid.


  35. Chocolate Jesus says:

    >Iraq – Sadr Party Faces Rising Isolation

    Really is amazing, actually, that just about the only thing
    the iraqi government can reach a consensus on is that, much like iranian elections, certain political groups shouldnt be allowed to have candidates…I guess those purple fingers come with an asterisk..

    Was banning inconvient political parties one of the benchmarks the “surge” was supposed to be buying time for?


  36. Freedom Rebel says:

    Government auditors are investigating the $2.6 billion Veterans Affairs employees charged to agency credit cards last year.

    No wonder they can’t update the Veterans Hospitals across the country. Every single one of them that have bogus charges should have to pay it back and apologize to all the Vets that suffered because it. Will the greed and uncaring never end?


  37. katy says:

    Radio host Ed Schultz: ‘I’m sorry … John McCain is a warmonger’

    “I’m sorry, John, the label sticks. John McCain is a warmonger,” liberal radio host Ed Schultz said a few minutes ago on CNN’s American Morning.

    Schultz called McCain a “warmonger” on Friday as he was warming up the audience at a fundraiser for the North Dakota Democratic Party in Grand Forks. Sen. Barack Obama, who later addressed the audience, was not in the hall when Schultz made his remark.

    On Saturday, McCain called on Obama to condemn Schultz’s words. The Democrat’s campaign issued a statement saying that “John McCain is not a warmonger and should not be described as such. He’s a supporter of a war that Senator Obama believes should have never been authorized and never been waged.”

    Sunday, McCain said the matter was settled by the Obama campaign’s statement.

    But this morning, Schultz showed he’s not going to apologize or tone down his words.
    [...]
    http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/radio-host-ed-s.html


  38. stewarjt says:

    White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, however, prefers bowling.

    Happy to see the usual amount of attention by this administration is paid to the affairs of state.


  39. Chocolate Jesus says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/07/iraq.main/index.html

    Apparently when the Iraqi government reaches a consensus that inconveent political parties should be banned, thats acceptable to thier overlords..BUT if the iraqi government says Blackwater isnt allowed in thier country anymore.. well..tough luck fellas..

    America, bringing “democracy”* to Iraq


  40. katy says:

    … government credit-card bills at … high-end retailers such as Sharper Image…

    and STILL sharper image is going bankrupt? … yes, it is…


  41. katy says:

    BIG SURPRISE!!!

    Putin to become PM and United Russia leader after stepping down UPDATE
    Forbes – 2 hours ago
    MOSCOW (Thomson Financial) – President Vladimir Putin is to become prime minister of Russia on May 8, the day after stepping down from the Kremlin, and will also be asked to head Russia’s ruling party, the speaker of parliament said.
    Putin to be confirmed Russia’s new PM on May 8 Hindu
    Putin may head Russia’s dominant party, lawmakers say Monsters and Critics.com

    NOT.


  42. Exit Stage Left says:

    #16 Bilbo…
    Because your excellent suggestion would give the necessary transparency and accountability to all earmarks, is precisely the reason we won’t see it in my lifetime.


  43. Erroll says:

    #50-The Right Stuff

    You neglected to mention that McCain was shot down while attempting to bomb a light bulb factory, which is a civilian target and not a military installation. This, of course, is in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions and which makes McCain a war criminal for committing war crimes.


  44. Keith H. says:

    I still can’t believe war criminals are allowed to run this country.


  45. Uncle Ho says:

    Bushitler: worst president -EVER!

    Never in the history of this country have so few have done so much harm to so many in so short a time.


  46. ralph the wonder llama says:

    The_Right_Stuff Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Erroll Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 10:08 am
    Those in power are quite content to advocate and wage war as long as they can call upon other people’s children to fight their wars.
    ___________________________________

    You forgot to mention that McCain’s son is in fact on the front lines in Iraq, and that McCain himself was a POW.

    Wrong_Stuff recognizes that McCain is quite content to advocate and wage war.

    Either that, or Wrong_Stuff decided to erect a straw man.

    Either possibility seems equally likely.


  47. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Kilo Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    If they weren’t immunised against prosecution in the US, they would be immunised against prosecution in the Hague.
    _________________

    I don’t F-in’ believe it. Here we go agaon.

    Can ANYBODY hear understand what this blithering idjit is saying here?

    If they WEREN’T immunized against… in the US, they WOULD BE immunized… in the Hague?

    I know I shouldn’t taunt this cretin, but… WTF????????????????


  48. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    katy Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 10:27 am
    Radio host Ed Schultz: ‘I’m sorry … John McCain is a warmonger’
    ————————————

    Our Progressive Radio hosts are under attack. Randi Rhodes was suspended last week for calling Hillary an ‘F” ing whore at a private event and Ed Schultz is under fire for calling MCain a “Warmonger”.

    Whether you like these two personalities or not the fact remains that they speak to more Progressives per week than anyone else.

    Meanwhile, Minnesota right-wing radio host Chris Baker is suggesting KILLING peace protesters:

    “So we’ve been talking about police protection during the upcoming convention when all those stinky protesters are coming. There seems to be a big debate over whether or not police officers will be able to wear helmets, carry shields, use pepper spray and tasers on this crowd. You know, I’ll tell you what works on a crowd like this–a machine gun, that always works very well.”

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32517

    “Mow ‘em down, baby!” excitedly adds Baker’s co-host “Jordan”.

    So calling Hillary and John McCain names off-air is unacceptable. But advocating the KILLING of peace protesters over the public airwaves is just fine?


  49. ralph the wonder llama says:

    And Kilo offers the comforting thought that, as long as one has “legal opinions resulting in a legal framework” one is able to ignore any law one chooses.

    Hence the BushCo Reign of Error.

    Torture? No problem. “Legal opinions resulting in a legal framework”.

    Spying on Americans without a warrant? No problem. “Legal opinions resulting in a legal framework”.

    Using the Justice Department to pursue political goals? No problem. “Legal opinions resulting in a legal framework”.

    Lying to the American people to pursue a war against a nation that was no threat? No problem — he’s the Commander in Chimp.


  50. katy says:

    i hear ya, 2 million…

    but – randi WAS at an AAR affiliate for a sponsored event and it IS the company’s
    policy, yadda yadda yadda… you know…
    don’t have to agree with it, but that’s how it is…

    support randi here feedback@airamerica.com

    maddening that it was her own “progressive” employer who came down on randi… but i bet the publicity is great for business…

    i’m glad that ed schultz is not backing down, and that his company, JONES, is not forcing him to do so… he’s on in about 40 minutes – should be good radio…

    the wrong-wingers are hate filled trouble makers, that’s for sure…

    i heard tavis smiley, on maher, call pat buchanan a “racial arsonist”…
    include them all and their ideas under the label “HATE ARSONISTS”…
    .


  51. 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda says:

    katy Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 11:20 am
    i hear ya, 2 million…

    but – randi WAS at an AAR affiliate for a sponsored event and it IS the company’s
    policy, yadda yadda yadda… you know…
    don’t have to agree with it, but that’s how it is…

    support randi here feedback@airamerica.com

    maddening that it was her own “progressive” employer who came down on randi… but i bet the publicity is great for business…
    ———————-
    Mark Green, who was her boss until recently, is an ultra Hillary supporter. I don’t think Randi has the best relationship with him. Hillary is, in my opinion, a conservative Republican. Take all this into consideration and it’s evident that Randi was not suspended by a Progressive. She was suspended by a Republican.


  52. Chocolate Jesus says:

    >And once again, the problem is that you understand literally >nothing about the topic of discussion,

    Right, we’d be better off just speaking incredibly cryptically about what knowledge we do have, while ignoring anything and everything that doesnt mesh with bs we’re spewing. Blurring what other people dont know with what you refuse to acknoweldge is great for community college philosophy courses and not much else..


  53. L. Hussein Annie says:

    Good grief. These reichwingers are STILL defending torture?

    Still defending warrantless spying on Americans?

    Still defending war criminals?

    Kilo, Wrong_stuff: What the fresh HELL is wrong with you?


  54. Fred says:

    Kilo Says:
    And once again, the problem is that you understand literally nothing about the topic of discussion, yet pretend the people discussing it is the issue.

    Once again you attack others for what is your own charactor flaw. Your self-serving, arrogant and ignorant posts are dishonest and I am tired of you attacking everyone here and never entering into discussions which you profess to be so adept at…..flagged.


  55. barfly says:

    You forgot to mention that McCain’s son is in fact on the front lines in Iraq, and that McCain himself was a POW.

    Since no links were offered, I’ll assume its more baloney. The military couldn’t take the chance of having the son of a sitting senator in combat, as it would present too great a target to insurgents. he’s probably another rear-echelon type, like Duncan Hunter’s son.


  56. barfly says:

    If they weren’t immunised against prosecution in the US, they would be immunised against prosecution in the Hague.

    Without a link to prove it – more baloney.


  57. jb says:

    The WARMONGER comment seems to be perfectly accurate….”bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran” can only be described as WARMONGERING. The F-ing Whore comment is not necessarily true in the most literal sense, but still not an unreasonable statement. Yoo is a war criminal, no doubt.


  58. RUCerious says:

    The only way to reduce tours in Iraq/Afghanistan to 12 months, while keeping 140K+ troops in Iraq and boosting the troop level in Afghanistan is to reinstate the draft. After all, it’s only your children and grandkids being let to the slaughter.


  59. Chocolate Jesus says:

    >If they weren’t immunised against prosecution in the US, >they would be immunised against prosecution in the Hague.

    he’s vaugely correct, although again, the way it was phrased was unncessarily combersome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

    “The Court is designed to complement existing national judicial systems: it can exercise its jurisdiction only when national courts are unwilling or unable to investigate or prosecute such crimes.[9][10] Primary responsibility to investigate and punish crimes is therefore reserved to individual states.[11 ”

    however, it is questionable whether the current government immunizing someone means they will forever be beyond the reach of future governments from that country..

    once again, this is all a distraction.. the real point is the utter insanity and legally unsound-ness of the administrations beliefs about the scope of thier power.
    lets not forget this adminsitration has asserted its right to sexually torture children. that assertion defies all logic and reason in a civilized democracy…


  60. Zooey says:

    A round up of the British newspapers’ reaction to Mark Penn’s resignation from Hillary Clinton’s campaign — at TheZoo.


  61. Zooey says:

  62. Erroll says:

    Let us begin with The Right Stuff at #58. Did you actually bother to read the link that you wished to bring to my attention? Nowhere in McCain’s narrative does McCain state what “the target”, as he put it, actually is. If McCain, the war criminal, had been truthful, he would have told his readers that the target was, as I wrote in comment #52, a light bulb factory, which, as I wrote, is a civilian target and therefore in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.

    Next up we have the pseudo expert known as Kilo at #57. You refer to what I had written of McCain at #52 as swiftboating. What Kerry had done to him by the Swift Boat veterans were lies told by veterans who did not serve with Kerry. What you conveniently did not address were the comments that I had accurately written describing the target that McCain had attempted to bomb while on his last mission. After McCain had been shot down, Vietnamese peasants who had belonged to the village near the target that McCain was trying to bomb attempted to [justifiably] beat McCain to death. Fortunately for McCain, a security guard named Mai Van On [who worked at the same light bulb factory that McCain was attempting to destroy] interceded on McCain’s behalf and prevented the crowd of about 40 people from killing him.

    As I previously mentioned, attempting to bomb a civilian target during war time is in direct violation of the Geneva Convention, which makes McCain not a war hero but rather a war criminal. John McCain- war criminal then, war criminal now, war criminal forever.


  63. DieNowForPeace says:

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki blasted the U.S. State Department for renewing its contract with the Blackwater security firm, saying the company

    The Iraqi government was not consulted on the State Department decision, he said.

    “No judicial action has been taken and no compensation has been made,” al-Maliki said Sunday. “Therefore, this extension requires the approval of the Iraqi government, and the government would want to resolve the outstanding issues with this company.”has yet to answer for what he called a “massacre” last year.

    LINK


  64. Bullsmith says:

    Kilo believes Sadr’s popularity has dropped in Iraq, because Sadr’s political rivals say so. And he’s glad that Yoo helped immunize war crimes, because it allows the war criminals to evade justice in both the US and at the Hague, where they will never submit themselves for justice.

    Iraq goes to hell, America goes with it, and Kilo provides the ponies.


  65. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Interesting strategy that Kilo employs: produce unintelligible variations of standard talking points, then when no one can see any sense in them or understand even what his point is, accuse others of being “not too bright”.

    I wonder if Kilo actually believes it. No one else does.


  66. Freedom Rebel says:

    WHY OUR FEITH-BASED IRAQI POLICY FAILED

    Here we go again. Another architect of the Iraq war’s disastrous aftermath has written a spine-tingling tell-all that basically reads as a had-you-listened-to-me-none-of-this-would’ve-happened fairy tale. Douglas Feith, a neo-con from the Henry “Scoop” Jackson School for War Mongering Idealists and former No. 3 man at the Pentagon, insists had we followed his plan, Iraq would be a thriving, oil-rich and IED-free democracy with Baghdad its shining city upon a hill. His plan? Install Ahmed Chalabi as leader and more or less get out of Dodge. The discredited former Iraqi exile would have calmed sectarian nerves and kept a civil war from erupting. Right on, Doug.

    That someone with so warped a view of the Middle East could have held so high a post in the U.S. government is chilling. Here is a man who ran a clandestine office in the Defense Department with the Orwellian title “Office of Special Plans.” Its mission was to stovepipe intelligence stemming from the CIA (which was supposed to be run by one Paul Wolfowitz but he kept on getting caught having extramarital affairs with staffers). Feith was especially keen on proving a link existed between Saddam and al-Qaeda while over-hyping Iraqi links with Niger on the sale of yellowcake uranium and a supposed meeting in Prague between Mohammad Atta and an Iraqi spook.

    Only under the Bush Administration could Feith be praised, in any other administration he would have been shown the door..


  67. tom says:

    Erroll Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I find a certain poetic symmetry in the fact that a dim bulb like Little Johnny McNumbNuts was shot down while attempting to bomb a light bulb factory.


  68. regular_joe says:

    Roll Call reports that the banking crisis “may have cost 51 Members [of Congress] as much as $13.2 million in stock value during the past 15 months.

    Now I know we’ll see legislative action on this important issue! They’ll probably pass a law that protects Members of Congress who lose money in the stock market — and Vegas too. It goes along with their health care plan…



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