Cheney: If U.S. Withdraws From Iraq, Al Qaeda Would ‘Acquire Control’ Of Country’s Oil Resources
Cheney: If U.S. Withdraws From Iraq, Al Qaeda Would ‘Acquire Control’ Of Country’s Oil Resources
Yesterday, Vice President Cheney appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show and fear-mongered about the consequences of withdrawing from Iraq. He told Hannity that al Qaeda may take over Iraq’s oil reserves:
HANNITY: If we pull out too early, what do you believe the consequences would be? […]
CHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource. Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue, there’s no telling the amount of trouble they could get into.
Listen here:
This claim appears to be emerging as an administration talking point about the dangers of withdrawal. On March 19, President Bush also warned that out of “chaos in Iraq” could emerge an “emboldened al Qaeda with access to Iraq’s oil resources.” When a reporter asked White House spokeswoman Perino about Bush’s statement, even she couldn’t believe Bush would make this claim, alleging that the reporter was misrepresenting the President’s comments. (He wasn’t.)
It’s highly unlikely that al Qaeda would take control of Iraq’s oil if the United States redeployed. First, the vast majority of Iraqis are Shi’ites, who want nothing to do with a fringe Sunni group like Al Qaeda. Second, 70 percent of the country’s oil is in southern Iraq — e.g. Basra — where there are strong Shi’ite strongholds.
Despite Cheney and Bush’s claims, U.S. withdrawal would not mean that al Qaeda would suddenly be able to defeat at least three different powerful Shi’ite militias (Mahdi Army, Badr Organization, and Fadhila’s gangs) to seize control over Iraq’s oil.
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Al Qaeda would aquire control of Iraq’s oil.
So?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm“That’s my oil,ra,ra,ra”. Sorry my dad taught me to never trust anyone who talks out of the side of their mouth.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pmGreat. Now the Vice-President is making the same arguments as our trolls for a continued occupation.
I apologize for not being able to cite which TP poster eviscerated this argument when one of the trolls pushed it a few weeks ago, but trajan. or whichever troll it was, couldn’t even make a counter-attack. Just slunk away.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pmOkay, so it is about the oil.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pmHANNITY: If we pull out too early, what do you believe the consequences would be? […]
CHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource. Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue, there’s no telling the amount of trouble they could get into.
Nothing like asking a military expert with 5 deferrments his much-sought-after analysis on what would occur in Iraq were the US to leave ; especially when including his and his group’s 0-for-7+ years record of incorrect assessments……….
April 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pmyet, when it’s convenient, he says that al qaeda is “defeated”.
which is it, Dick
that’s a pretty convenient enemy - one that you can beat all day long, that nonetheless “poses a serious threat” and demands that billions of dollars be spent fighting it.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm“Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day.” Dark Helmet said as he drooled on himself.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmLuckily, Hannity set him straight.
/snark off
April 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmCheney states that “… if al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq…” What Cheney conveniently neglects to mention is what independent journalist Nir Rosen had reported in The Atlantic a while back, which is that both the Sunnis and the Shia despise and loathe the terrorists. As Rosen reported, Iraqis have been placing burning tires around the necks of the foreign jihadists. If and when the U.S. were to finally leave Iraq, the Sunnis and the Shia would unofficially join forces to drive those members of al Qaeda out of their country. Of course, what Cheney has said will receive substantially more coverage than the factual reporting of a Nir Rosen or a Patrick Cockburn.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmIf the US withdraws, the Iraqis will have control of Iraqi oil reserves.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmAnd dicki will pout all the way to jail.
Does that mean I’ll have to fill up at Al-Qaeda-ron from now on?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmC’mon TP
Why is my comment awaiting moderation for using the word “a-n- a-l-y-s-i-s” ?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:24 pmCheney: “Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue…”
- - Umm, Dick, we ARE already funding Petrol-terrorists worldwide.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:24 pmHANNITY: If we pull out too early, what do you believe the consequences would be? […]
CHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource. Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue, there’s no telling the amount of trouble they could get into.
Nothing like asking a military expert with 5 deferrments his much-sought-after prediction on what would occur in Iraq were the US to leave ; especially when including his and his group’s 0-for-7+ years record of incorrect assessments……….
April 11th, 2008 at 1:25 pmOkay, to this point, exactly what about Iraq had the Dick predicted accurately?
I rest my case.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pmIf the reich-wingers were concerned about Al-Qaeda, they shouldn’t have invaded Iraq.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pmSounds like something this incompetent administration should have considered BEFORE going in. But then again, if you lie in order to gain the support for invading in the first place, there is no consideration of the outcome. Their only consideration was how to direct our national treasury into the pockets of themselves and their friends.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pm… imagine that.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pmSo, why are we spending $12 billion/week in Iraq?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pmIgnoring facts and fearmongering got Cheney his war, why should be surprised that he’s ignoring facts now and using fear to keep what he wants?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pmHe couldn’t tell the truth about Iraq, even if it would help him. And the only media outlets where he feels safe, obviously, is Hannity and Hewitt.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pmGet these arguments down to simple soundbites:
Chickenlittles - AQ represents less than 5% of the insurgent forces in Iraq. They are hated by the Shiites, the Sunnis have turned on them. And why should we listen to you. There was no AQI until you guys bungled the invasion. No wonder why Cheney skipped out of Vietnam on his deferments. He knew how incompetent he was.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pmIf you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue, there’s no telling the amount of trouble they could get into.
How many boxcutters can you buy with a barrel of oil?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pmThat’s odd; when Cheney were planning to go in there, it was emphatically NOT about the oil. So now we’d better not leave because it IS?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pmIn the first place, Cheney is never right in his predictions.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pmIn the second place, Al Qaeda is Sunni - a minority in Iraq. The Shiites run the government and are the majority population - how Al Qaeda would gain control of Iraqi oil is a fantasy in his own corrupted mind.
In the third place, Iran is the closest ally to Iraq, Maliki, and the government of Iraq - they are also persians whose religion is Shiite muslim.
Cheney is again fearmongering, and lying.
gee, if al-qeada were to take over Iraq’s oil reserves it would be like having a religious fanatical dictatorship in control of all that oil…oh wait…mmmmmm, why did Saudia Arabia just pop into my head?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm“and further more Sean, I believe if Al-Qaeda needs logistical support once they acquire the oil, Halliburton will be glad to help, for the right price of course.”
April 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pmTypo, sorry! (24.) when Cheney were planning to go in there…
I meant to write “when Cheney and Bush were planning to go in there”.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWhat a dick. According to our military there are maybe 1,000 AQ in Iraq. How are 1,000 AQ going to take over Iraq (because that’s what they would have to do to gain control over the oil) when our 160,000 soldiers can’t do it? Anyone who buys this BS is a hopeless case.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pmPretzeldent and Vice Penishead run to FAUX Gnus to continue muttering the same discredited crap repeatedly , and FAUX tries to defend the indefensible ; and they wonder why the the Wonder Monkey has a 19% approval rating ?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWhat lies beneath Cheney’s comments are his own self-interests. He invaded Iraq to gain control of its oil for American oil companies.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWas listening to Ed WSchultz this morning who said USGS has discovered huge reserves in western North Dakota/Eastern Montana. I am sure that plans are being made for immediate invasion/occupation of this area.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pmCheney failed to catch Osama and Zawahiri.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:39 pmNow al Qaeda is gonna get the oil? I thought Iran was the big problem in Iraq?
Would Iran really let a fringe Sunni group control all the oil in Iraq if we left???
I’m so confused…
April 11th, 2008 at 1:40 pmSo FIVE deferments Dick thinks the Iraqi people would let al Qaeda take over their oil fields…you, DICK are a DICK, do you really think the Iraqi’s would let that happen? You are a lying sack of sh!t, but then again we all knew that already, Mr. 18%.
IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY
April 11th, 2008 at 1:42 pmHague Trials for all of them ‘09
Well, back at the end of the Gulf War, Cheney said it would have been a mistake to go to Bagdahd and remove Saddam from power because that would have left the US in a quagmire.
He was right about that.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pmOnly a fool would believe this crap. Case in point:
“When a reporter asked White House spokeswoman Perino about Bush’s statement, even she couldn’t believe Bush would make this claim…”
Need I say more?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pmHow much blood does this man need to bathe in before these last nine months are over?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pmFinally we hear from Cheney it was all about the oil. Our soldiers have died for Cheney’s greed for oil. If we stay we die and still we wont get control of Iraq’s oil. Iraq will have control of their own oil. Now Bush/Cheney said when they illegally invaded Iraq the US oil would be reduced. That didn’t happen as here in Southern Cal. the gas price is above 4 dollars for regular gas. A visitor from Iraq was shocked as he said gas in Iraq is 50 cent a gallon. I must admit the Iraq leaders are smart they get to keep their oil and get 12 billion dollars a month from the US.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:45 pmIf The Dick is that concerned perhaps he and his dry-drunk protege could usefully spend their retirement years (along with Condi, Feith, Perle, Rumsfeld, Addington, Rove and the rest of the braintrust) walking the point in Iraq. If McNutzi thinks we need to be there 100 years we can just extend their tours until “Mission Accomplished” time.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pmSorry for the OT:
Bush personally authorizes torture; Was not ‘insulated’ from NSC decisions:
http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 4/ 10/ 95033/ 2181/ 104/ 493151
NANCY, ARE YOU LISTENING YET?? MAYBE I CAN HELP FIND YOU A DAMN TABLE!!
April 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pmpaleolib Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
If The Dick is that concerned perhaps he and his dry-drunk protege could usefully spend their retirement years (along with Condi, Feith, Perle, Rumsfeld, Addington, Rove and the rest of the braintrust) walking the point in Iraq. If McNutzi thinks we need to be there 100 years we can just extend their tours until “Mission Accomplished” time.
As if McStupid is going to be around for another century after already living through 2 ?
Moses , he is not (obviously).
April 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pmralph Don’t worry. The Dick will probably be on Rush next week claiming we can’t withdraw because Iran will get the oil. If you screw things up this badly you can take your pick.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:50 pmCheney can’t actually believe this crap, can he?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pmThe number of alQaeda fighters is supposedly a few thousand.
And they’re going to take over Iraq?
C’mon, dickhead, come up with something better than that!
It wouldn’t be hard.
Al Qaeda already has Afghanistan’s heroin. Is there some chance they could turn heroin and oil into an explosive like Timothy McVeigh did with fertilizer and oil?
April 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pmCHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if the Iraqis were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWell…at least he’s admitting it’s all about the OIL!
April 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pmCheney’s need to bathe in the blood of younger people (not necessarily virgins; that’s a myth) will not end in nine months; it’s a daily requirement. Along with shielding himself from sunlight, avoiding mirrors and hanging upside down for ten hours a day in his man-sized safe.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pmTo the Right, “al qaeda” just means “dirty muslims we don’t like.” Any more precise definition would be “nuance,” and we all know how nasty “nuance” is.
TP should note that most of the oil not in the Shi’ite south is in the Kurdish-controlled north. The Sunni regions got the short end of the derrick and have essentially no oil.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pmHey, at least he’s starting to actually tell the truth about our presence in Iraq:
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April 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pmshoeless Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
CHENEY: For us to walk away from Iraq I think would have at least that bad an effect, probably worse, because if the Iraqis were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource.
That’s right shoeless, we can’t IRAQIS taking over a big part of IRAQ. Wouldn’t mesh with Bushco’s master plan.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:04 pmwe can’t have IRAQIS
April 11th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWow! Those al Qaedas must be supermen! Just a few hundred of them can take over big parts of Iraq, and control their oil fields! Millions of Iraqis will be powerless to stop them!
Maybe we should just hire al Qaeda to control Iraq for us! It would be cheaper and we could bring our troops home!
April 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pmHmmm…so the man that said we would be greeted as liberators is now prognosticating on the effects of what might happen if we leave? Why does anyone listen to this ape?
April 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pmOperation Iraqi Liberation…
nuff’ said.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm# GeeDubs Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Hmmm…so the man that said we would be greeted as liberators is now prognosticating on the effects of what might happen if we leave? Why does anyone listen to this ape?
who’s listening?
go fcuk yourself mr. cheney
April 11th, 2008 at 2:08 pm…they would acquire control of a significant oil resource. Iraq has almost 100 billion barrel reserves, producing 2.5-3 million barrels of oil a day. If you take a terrorist organization like al Qaeda and give it that kind of revenue…
Sounds like al Qaeda is branching out. They used to just be in the demolition business. Now, they want to become an oil drilling company.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:11 pmI don’t even think Cheney cares who believes him anymore. He’s as much as admitting that the whole reason for this huge foreign policy blunder is OIL. He doesn’t care who dies, he doesn’t care how deep in debt our government goes, he doesn’t matter how much we trash our standing in the world — as long as he gets his OIL.
Cheney isn’t about to walk away from the black gold without a fight. Only his weapons are getting more and more pathetic. He can’t serious believe that Americans are going to buy his little fantasy that a bunch of disorganized rag-tag terrorists are going to somehow wrest all this oil away from the Iraqis? The Iraqis so far have been doing a pretty decent job of keeping the oil away from US. I can’t imagine AQI will be much of a problem for them.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pmpretending that the war criminal isnt speaking total nonsense, so al qaeda has iraqs oil. why do we have to buy it? hmmm?
April 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
He can’t serious believe that Americans are going to buy his little fantasy that a bunch of disorganized rag-tag terrorists are going to somehow wrest all this oil away from the Iraqis?
Well, maybe not now. But after Iranian operatives take al-Qaeda into Iran, train them and send them back…
April 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pmCheney has a heart just like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons - a tiny, little calcified black nugget straining to continue pumping. And it isn’t pumping blood, it’s pumping bile. (Either that or venom.)
April 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI’m thinking of Walter Sobchak from The Big Lebowski.
If you’ll allow me to paraphrase:
Cheney: No, dude, we can’t allow al Qaeda to control Iraqi oil. That fu(ks up our plan.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pmYou know, I can’t even look at Cheney’s face or Shrimpy’s face without actually getting physically sick. It’s worse than trying to watch Will Ferrell in a movie.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pmSit down and shut up.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pmMCMetal: McNutzi may not be Moses but as you know The Dick can never die (but I’m planting garlic in my garden this year just in case).
April 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pmI may be sitting down, but I ain’t about to shut up. Cheney has ruined this country…ruined for our kids, ruined it for our grandkids, hell..ruined it for US. I don’t know if we’ll ever get it back.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pmThese people said anything to convince Congress, the UN and the American people that invading Iraq was a noble cause. All the reasons they gave at that time have been proven wrong. And now they will say anything to keep us there. They lied then and they are lying now. Nothing is apparently going to begin to change until this gang of criminals is out of office. And I have my doubts that they will actually leave if a Democrat wins the election.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pmif al Qaeda were to take over big parts of Iraq, among other things, they would acquire control of a significant oil resource.
And, Mr. Cheney? Isn’t responsibility of Iraqi people to worry about their own resources? Well, at least, some of our trolls can understand why 4,000 of their soldiers are dead now.
I don’t mention the one million Iraqis, because nobody really cares…It’s not like the UN is really worried about that.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pmCan’t they even keep their story straight anymore?
March 19: Perino Falsely Claims Bush Never Warned That Al Qaeda Could Gain ‘Access To Iraq’s Oil Resources’
April 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pmTheir running on fumes. They can’t get their story straight because they never had a coherent one to begin with.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pmAssuming that his argument is correct (which isn’t due to the non logic of it)- a simple question. Who would buy Oil Al Quaeda????????
Pakistan? China? That would be extremely doubtful.
Who would supply them with materials and resources (maybe um…Haliburton who did after all give Iran some)?
Dick is a total nut jib who finally in a obtuse way has explained why he wanted ti invade Iraq in the first place.
OIL.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pmTheir = they’re
April 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pmGood point, Squidbilly! It does point up the absurdity of having this resource run everything imaginable. And if we bombed Iran, you can bet there would be a lot less to use. I guess we’ll have to take over those sand/oil fields in Alberta. Damn what the Canadians might think!
April 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pmWhy does Al Queda need oil? They have all the heroin, via record opium crops, from Afghanistan. Twice now we have participated in the destruction of Afghanistan, and twice we have left with helping them to rebuild.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm59 - so you’re as ignorant as John McCain as to the nature of Sunni and Shia, Arab and Persian - -good for you, I guess.
you win the “Credulity” Award. grab your dictionary and enjoy.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pmOh, dear…I thought 59 was being funny! However, on a second read…
April 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pmpaleolib Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
MCMetal: McNutzi may not be Moses but as you know The Dick can never die (but I’m planting garlic in my garden this year just in case).
The Dick is running on a source that will short-circuit near any well-placed microwave oven ……………
April 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pmshoeless WAS being funny in post 59.
shoeless is having a rough day. Maybe trowelling on the snark a bit too thick. Like Cindy McCain’s makeup?
April 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pmI keep saying this: There is NO such thing as Al Qaeda in Iraq! There is an orginization called ‘The Organization of Jihad’s Base in the Country of the Two Rivers’ (QJBR) but no AQI. The media gave the group this name and the Cons just love it. Why? Because when you shorten it ‘for brevity’s sake’ it has the convenient added benefit of conflating a rag-tag groups of Iraqis that want the US out of their country with the people that committed the crimes of 9/11.
We need to stop calling this group by the wrong name. Until we use the write words we can’t ahve a reasonable discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq
April 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pmWhen they talk about “protecting American interests overseas” (which the founding fathers drew up quaint documents to prohibit us from even having), what do we think they are talking about?
Black gold. Texas tea.
It is and always was about oil, blood for oil. Don’t put in enough troops, we don’t want to oiverthrow Saddam Hussein and hand a freed country over to the Iraqis. We need a “continuous presence” while we build a massive “embassy complex” for ourselves, and the only way to guarantee that is another Vietnam, only better, a truly losing proposition that we can’t withdraw from (and agent Michael Ware to back us up on that, disguised as a virile “real person” scud stud). The result: Obscenely juicy, yummy, international defense contracts, while we get control of the oil, and keep anyone else from getting it. (By “we” I mean “them.” We are just the means to that end.)
I’m an Obama supporter and my heart is sick every time he utters those words, “Protect our interests in Iraq.” Hillary says it too, of course. All the candidates who DIDN’T say it are long gone, weeded out by the voters months ago.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pmif shoeless is troweling, and not trolling, then i apologize.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pmsquidbilly Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Assuming that his argument is correct (which isn’t due to the non logic of it)- a simple question. Who would buy Oil Al Quaeda????????
Yeah, next thing you know we would all have an al Qaeda gas station right down the street. I think I will still fill up at Citgo instead.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pmKudos to #78. Agree.
Even with a young son in the military, who’s been to Iraq and must return later this year, my greatest rage is for the million Iraqis. This is a holocaust. For us and them.
What would Americans have done if confronted with a Hitler, like the Germans were? They used to say “we will never know.”
I think we know now. We would have followed Hitler by doing nothing, just like the Germans did. It’s what we’re doing now.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pmAh yes. I forgot about Al-Queda’s ability to refine and produce crude oil. Perhaps Iran is equiping them with drilling equipment aswell as weapons. This entire 8 year period in American History should be entitled “so?”
http://www.soultv.net
April 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pmFIVE TIME DEFERMENT DICK, THE COWARDLY WARMONGER.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pmCarly Corday Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Kudos to #78. Agree.
Even with a young son in the military, who’s been to Iraq and must return later this year, my greatest rage is for the million Iraqis. This is a holocaust. For us and them.
What would Americans have done if confronted with a Hitler, like the Germans were? They used to say “we will never know.”
I think we know now. We would have followed Hitler by doing nothing, just like the Germans did. It’s what we’re doing now.
Who is this “we” ?
I’m not in Iraq , slaughtering civilians …………..
April 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pmshoeless is having a rough day.
Yea, and I carelessly pounced on shoe too. Sorry, but when one is enraged as we are, it’s sometimes hard to feel the snark.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm“I think I will still fill up at Citgo instead.”
Is that the one owned by Venezuela’s government? I find Hugo Chavez hard to hate very much, with so much else to hate so much more. It’s just me. Hard to hate someone for not liking bush much better than I do. It’s just an effort, that’s all. I’d rather expend the effort elsewhere, for now.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pmrobertoroberto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Ah yes. I forgot about Al-Queda’s ability to refine and produce crude oil.
Surely you didn’t forget about Bush’s old oil drilling partner!
BUSH-BIN LADEN
The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pmHow’s that predicting about iraq going for you, dick?
April 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pmDieNowForPeace Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
shoeless is having a rough day.
Yea, and I carelessly pounced on shoe too. Sorry, but when one is enraged as we are, it’s sometimes hard to feel the snark.
That’s OK. I don’t mind. I’ve just got my snark waders on today.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm“I think I will still fill up at Citgo instead.”
It’s still the cheapest gas in Dallas.
Besides, what difference does it make as to which “dealer” you get your fix from? They’re all crooks anyway.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pmBut Shoeless, Bin Laden isn’t Al Queda and vica verca. I once heard from an Egyptian friend of mine that Bin Laden himself hasnt even heard of anything called Al Queda.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pmWas listening to Ed WSchultz this morning who said USGS has discovered huge reserves in western North Dakota/Eastern Montana. I am sure that plans are being made for immediate invasion/occupation of this area.
No, what will happen is that we (meaning our government) will give the oil reserves to our major oil companies, then we will subsidize their pumping the oil out of the ground and getting it to the gas stations, then we will have the privilege of paying $4.00 a gallon for the gasoline that really belongs to us in the first place. What a sweet deal for the oil companies.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm“Who is this “we” ?
I’m not in Iraq , slaughtering civilians …………..”
Your point extremely well-taken. Bugs the crap out of me when people comment to the effect that “we” and “Americans” are killing people in Iraq, etc. Makes me furious.
That’s why I said (typed clearly, in English) that “By ‘we’ I mean ‘they’– because we are just the means to that end–” meaning Americans are bearing the entire burden and blame for what Cheney is doing. We are paying. Dearly.
Come on, McMetal, don’t fight with me, we’re on the same side (for now). Let’s just arm wrestle. LOL.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pmCarly Corday Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
“Who is this “we” ?
I’m not in Iraq , slaughtering civilians …………..”
Your point extremely well-taken. Bugs the crap out of me when people comment to the effect that “we” and “Americans” are killing people in Iraq, etc. Makes me furious.
That’s why I said (typed clearly, in English) that “By ‘we’ I mean ‘they’– because we are just the means to that end–” meaning Americans are bearing the entire burden and blame for what Cheney is doing. We are paying. Dearly.
Come on, McMetal, don’t fight with me, we’re on the same side (for now). Let’s just arm wrestle. LOL.
I’d prefer you sit your boy down and tell him what he’s doing is wrong ……….
April 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pmCarly Corday Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
“I think I will still fill up at Citgo instead.”
Is that the one owned by Venezuela’s government?
Yes. It’s the only place I buy gas. The profits go to build schools and hospitals, not only in Venezuela, but also in other poor Latin American countries.
I would rather push my car than buy gas at Shell, Exxon, or BP.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pmMCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’d prefer you sit your boy down and tell him what he’s doing is wrong ……….
We are no longer on the same side, McMetal. I have no interest in who you are or what you think. You are a nasally hateful sociopath who has never even stubbed a toe. An un-person incapable of thinking a thought through to its sane, rational, logical conclusion. A getter of the wavering republican vote for McCain, a taker away of wavering Republican votes from Obama. A self-pleased ruiner of things. A smug, stupid hater, as small as they come.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pmNo, what will happen is that we (meaning our government) will give the oil reserves to our major oil companies,
Who will then sell it on the open market to the highest bidder.
There’s absolutely NO guarantee that it would be used for domestic gasoline consumption.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pmThis is a story that should be covered more by mainstream media - They are trying to hide the story because it shows that perhaps this whole war in Iraq is not going so well :
http://www.mail.com/ Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews/ General%20World%20News/ 20080411/ Detained_Photographer_20080411.xml&cat=world&subcat=&pageid=1
April 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pmAnyone else see the recent story of Israel buying Iranian oil??
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ richard_silverstein/ 2008/ 04/ israels_tehran_connection.html
April 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pmCarly Corday Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
MCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’d prefer you sit your boy down and tell him what he’s doing is wrong ……….
We are no longer on the same side, McMetal. I have no interest in who you are or what you think.
When did I ever claim to be on the “same side” as your imbecilic self ?
I make the decision(s) of whom and what I side with and for ; not a banshee-like delusional lunatic who believes themself to be some sort of “all-seeing” being when they are actually a moronic ignoramus…………
April 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pmU.S., Iraq Negotiating Security Agreements
The first is a “status of forces agreement,” or SOFA, defining and protecting the legal status of U.S. military personnel and property in Iraq. Negotiated and signed under executive authority, it is a binding commitment but does not require congressional approval.
Among aspects unique to the proposed SOFA, Senate Democrats said, are that it would allow U.S. forces to unilaterally initiate military operations and to detain Iraqis, and would immunize civilian U.S. contractors from prosecution in Iraq.
The second agreement is a long-term “strategic framework” the administration has said will establish “cooperation in the political, economic, cultural and security fields.” A “statement of principles” that Bush and Maliki signed in December said the framework, which they plan to sign by July 31 to take effect Jan. 1, included “security assurances and commitments to the Republic of Iraq to deter foreign aggression against Iraq that violates its sovereignty and integrity of its territories, waters, or airspace.”
LINK
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
We are NOT being represented, so why should I pay my taxes????
April 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pmI wondered how long it would take this week before Cheney would be sent out by the incapable Bush to counterattack the questioning by the dems of Petraeus’ during the hearings.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pmWe don’t have a president or a commander-in-chief. America has a sniveling, arrogant, posturing fool who sends out others to do what he is incapable of doing.
He uses AQ as a bugaboo so he can equate Iraq with 9/11 and tap into the reptilian brains of the last 25% who still believe him.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pmSo photogenic, Dick.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pmDoes there exist a picture of Dickhead Cheney that doesn’t make him look the frumpy, fanged, evil old turd that he is?
Shoeless, you’d better watch the snark trowelling, somebody’s going to call you a c**t…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pmocta~ There is a name for the disease of the soul that infects Cheney. It is called sanpaku. Look it up in the googles. This explains why his head is always tilted down.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pmIf there is any justice in the world, we will be able to watch McCain choke on Dick…
Cheney’s disastrous foreign policy.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pmCan anyone tell me the difference between this man and hitler?
April 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pmrobertoroberto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Can anyone tell me the difference between this man and hitler?
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I think Hitler had better posture.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pmI really think the Dickster is in his ‘last throws’ . . if you will . . .
April 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pmSomeone just throw him in prison already.
The entire world will rejoice when he begins his dirt nap.
Can-I-get-an-a-men . . . ?
robertoroberto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Can anyone tell me the difference between this man and hitler?
Hitler never claimed Germany to be a democracy ; nor that he was bringing that to another nation using his “Blitzkreig” strikes …………..
April 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pmShoeless has written, perhaps the greatest, most intelligent come back comment to a troll I’ve read.
It was a thread where people (regulars) were saying “plus one” to mean that they were in favor of some issue (can’t remember). Then good golly enters the scene by saying: “minus one”. And shoeless says: “I overestimated you. I think you were a zero” Pure genius.
I guess that shoeless, dbadass and badmoodman have the best satire here.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pmBTW Carly
I was laughing so hard at your idiotic and ignorant post , I completely missed this comment by you :
A getter of the wavering republican vote for McCain, a taker away of wavering Republican votes from Obama.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m one of the biggest opponents of McStupid here ; anyone and everyone here could tell you that.
And you’re a bigger idiot than I 1st believed ; you’re actually under the laughable impression that any Republicans are going to vote for Obama ?
Wow ……….You’re so gullible , I wouldn’t be surprised if gypsies and snake-oil salesmen start camping out at your door-step……
April 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pmTo be fair, MCMetal, lots of “republicans” will vote for Obama. Of course, over the last 7 years, they have changed their affiliation to Independant or Democrat. Personally, though once a republican, when I’m asked what party I support I say, “the opposition”.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pmpete Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
To be fair, MCMetal, lots of “republicans” will vote for Obama. Of course, over the last 7 years, they have changed their affiliation to Independant or Democrat. Personally, though once a republican, when I’m asked what party I support I say, “the opposition”.
And did or could I , in any way , change your mind as to whom to vote for as Carly so stupidly and lyingly claims ?
April 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm#93 Bilbo,
April 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pmI have always been of the mind that certain things like minerals and oil and so forth should belong to the people of a country, I recognize and accept that corporate expertise is allowed to process the natural resource AND they should be allowed to make a profit doing so, but they must be regulated by the federal government.
IF there is a new source of oil in ND (and I am somewhat suspicious of the timing of this news) it will be an uphill battle should this be determined to be regulated as I prefer, because precedent has been set. The oil companies will set up shop there and the taxpayer will subsidize their efforts but get nothing in return except, as you say, increased prices at the pump and elsewhere.
MCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I’ll reserve comment on Carly’s comments. It’s not my pissing contest.
But, the words and deeds of Bushco have resulted in my unflagging opposition. No power on earth could make me vote for ANY candidate, with an (R) after their name, in the foreseeable future. If I live another 30 years, the neocons are a bitter memory, and persons of high moral fiber reclaim the party? I’ll still think twice. I would probably have to meet them in person to convince me they are worthy of my vote. I’m not holding my breath.
April 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pmpete Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
MCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I’ll reserve comment on Carly’s comments. It’s not my pissing contest.
But, the words and deeds of Bushco have resulted in my unflagging opposition. No power on earth could make me vote for ANY candidate, with an (R) after their name, in the foreseeable future. If I live another 30 years, the neocons are a bitter memory, and persons of high moral fiber reclaim the party? I’ll still think twice. I would probably have to meet them in person to convince me they are worthy of my vote. I’m not holding my breath.
Dealing with the mentally inept and feeble , isn’t any type of “contest”……….
April 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pmMCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I stand corrected. I still ain’t never gonna vote for no Republicriminal no matter what you, BillO, TP, Mother Theresa, or the FSM say. And I think that most people, pro and con, have made up their minds. Though it’s therapeutic to release some of the outrage.
April 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pmpete Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
MCMetal Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I stand corrected. I still ain’t never gonna vote for no Republicriminal no matter what you, BillO, TP, Mother Theresa, or the FSM say. And I think that most people, pro and con, have made up their minds. Though it’s therapeutic to release some of the outrage.
I’m sure if Mother Theresa had something to say , a lot of people would pay big money to see that , regardless of whether you listened to her or not……….
April 11th, 2008 at 6:10 pmWow..I just wonder if there will be a way to indict bush and darth after they leave office for all the “stuff” the dems will find about torture and the run up to war.
I still firmly believe that cheney should be immediately arrested to await trial for plame outing. i feel gitmo would be appropriate place alongside some al-qaeda type who will whisper bin laden’s name into his ear every 5 seconds. then, mercifully, darth will have his 5th heart attack and be as brain dead as he is now.
we are living history and we don’t know it.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:14 pm