McCain’s war cabinet wants a war museum.
McCain’s war cabinet wants a war museum.
Writing in the New York Post today, Ralph Peters, a member of Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) war cabinet, blasts the “massive egos” he sees behind the “Newseum” opening in Washington, DC today, a museum chronicling the history of the American news industry. Peters argues that an an American military museum would be better:
There’s no museum in the vicinity of the National Mall dedicated to our military. Tells you a lot about the vanity and priorities of today’s governing and informational “elite,” doesn’t it? Ignore the blood, enshrine the ink. A Pulitzer Prize outranks a Congressional Medal of Honor.
Max Boot, another McCain advisor, agrees that we need an American military museum “— or better still (because less politically correct) an American War Museum — in our nation’s capital.”
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A war museum – because nothing shows how far we’ve advanced like our ability to destroy.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pmMax boot? Seriously? Thats his name?!!
McCain belongs in a war museum. He is a relic of a past generation and a patriotic war hero. Encase him in glass, stat.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pmWhy not build a fun-house, with a bubble machine, wacky maze, and circus mirrors?
American’s are just too busy to be bothered by death.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pmSure, why not? But for god
April 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pms sake don;t mention the Inidian War, the Spanish-American Warm the Korean War or the Vietnam War!
Oh and don’t reserve any space for the Afghan War or the Iraq War.
Actually, just put McFlip-flop in his WalMart greeters vest and place him at the entrance…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pmcrap, my typos kinda ruin my comment. Darn it!
April 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pmthis is militarism run amok
April 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pmthis is militarism run amok
We are becoming modern day Romans – and we know how THEY turned out.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pmTo the best of my knowledge, every single Army post CONUS has its own museum of the post itself and units assigned to that particular post.
I would suggest as “military museums” that we designate our National Military Cemetaries to remind all of us of what the cost of war is.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pmWill this War Museum state that so many Americans, especially after World War II, died not for a noble cause but rather for the lies and the propaganda that they were given by their government? This proposal seems like something right out of Orwell’s novel 1984. Another attempt to glorify and justify American militarism.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pmHow do you design a museum where every wing is a right wing?
April 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pmThere’s no museum in the vicinity of the National Mall dedicated to our military. Tells you a lot about the vanity and priorities of today’s governing and informational “elite,” doesn’t it? Ignore the blood, enshrine the ink. A Pulitzer Prize outranks a Congressional Medal of Honor.
Hence the expression “The pen is mightier than the sword,” moron.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pmcelebrating war is the same as celebrating death. Surely they should be building a peace museum, showcasing all the best peace deals created through negotiation around the world. Man, i should have lived in the 60’s…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pmThe WAR PRESIDENT America’s been waiting for.
/S N A R K
April 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pmA war museum… Good! Put MacCaine there as one of the exihbits! That old piece of s…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pmRalph Peters, a member of Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) war cabinet, blasts the “massive egos”
Massive egos!? I can think of no greater “massive egos” than the elite who sit behind their mahogany desks and order the spilling of blood as if they were asking their secretary to bring another cup of coffee.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pmFACISM and its glorification of WAR…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pmThere’s no museum in the vicinity of the National Mall dedicated to our military. Tells you a lot about the vanity and priorities of today’s governing and informational “elite,” doesn’t it? Ignore the blood, enshrine the ink. A Pulitzer Prize outranks a Congressional Medal of Honor.
Funny , seeing as how the present clusterfu(ks in Iraq and Afghanistan are an attempt at enshrining an unintelligible imbecile in history as being a “great leader” and “war president” at the expense of other’s blood……….
BTW
He is neither.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pmThere’s the National WWII Museum, only its in New Orleans, so.. There’s the American Military Museum in Charleston, SC.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pmThere’s Civil War museums and monuments throughout the country, and they’re all fine establishments. Its regretable that McInsane isn’t satisified with all this. Please, sir, I want some more war! Consider that the party of Lincoln will now endorse the Manchurian Candidate. Lincoln must be rotating in his tomb!
Impeach Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution.
They could call the War Museum it for what it is, The Museum of the United States Congressional Industrial Military Complex, depleting the treasury and making the world a sh!t hole one country at a time.
They could have the War Mongers Hall of Shame, The Lying War Criminals Wing, The Wall of Might Makes Right, The Dick Cheney Hall of Deferments, The Bush Desertion Cafeteria…the possibilities are endless.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pmAre they going to include the List of USA’s War Criminals? Bush, Chenney, Rice (…and her torture program), Rumsfeld (He looks like a mumy already!), Wolfowitz (Another mumy) and all the rest of their administration, including Gates and Negroponte?
April 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pmOn the one hand, if we have a museum dedicated to the wars we’ve fought, we honor those who have died or gotten injured for our country — some for worthy causes, some not. There have been battles where our freedoms were truly on the line, and then there have been battles that served no purpose but to further somebody’s political power.
On the other hand, if we have a museum dedicated to the history of journalism and the role it’s played in American life, we celebrate one of the fundamental freedoms we have fought for.
Both are good to have. Both would show their usefulness and service to the people in earlier days, as well as how both have become mere pawns for political interests in recent times.
But if I can only choose one, I’d choose the nod to the news industry. I see it as a more direct illustration of freedom.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pmHow fasinating — Ralphy Peters, a cushy military officer craving and devouring war because he’s immune from fighting one. He can draw his fat pension and act as a neocon tough guy, all while there are 19-year-olds out in the field working overtime, in danger.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pmLittle Freep Goofballs Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
How do you design a museum where every wing is a right wing?
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I think you have to design it in the shape of a swastika.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pmThe National Mall already has the Korean War Veterans Memorial, the Vietnam Memorial, the World War II Memorial, and the Holocaust Memorial Museum. Not to mention the National Museum of American History which I’m sure covers the wars occasionally. And, the National Air and Space Museum which documents at least some of the ways we kill people from above.
The Newseum doesn’t appear to be sponsored by the government or for that matter actually on the National Mall.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pmJournalists’ deaths by Nationality in Iraq since 2003
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm• Iraqi: 105
• European: 13
• Other Arab countries: 3
• United States: 2
• All other countries: 5
How many congressman and senators died in Iraq?
They should give this man an award for his heroic journalism :
http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx?articlepath=APNews/General%20World%20News/20080411/Detained_Photographer_20080411.xml&cat=world&subcat=&pageid=1
April 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pmSo the World War I Memorial and the World War II Memorial and the Korean War Memorial and the Vietnam War Memorial that are already on the Mall don’t count as honoring our military? Or the Iwo Jima statue and Arlington Cemetary or the Women in Military Service for America memorial across the Potomac? Or the military-based exhibits in the Air and Space Museums and the Museum of American History?
McCain is just pandering. Go figure.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pmDamn. Owned by fletc3her. :(
April 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm“I think you have to design it in the shape of a swastika”
Hey. That was borderline genius.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pmfletc3her Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Don’t forget the Marine Corps Museum at Quantico, Virginia.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
No more calls, please – we have a winner.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm“an American War Museum”
April 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pmAny war museum is a monument to failure.
McCain belongs in a war museum. He is a relic of a past generation and a patriotic war hero. Encase him in glass, stat.
Gotta gut and stuff him first…
I would suggest as “military museums” that we designate our National Military Cemeteries to remind all of us of what the cost of war is.
Bingo!
Ralph Peters, a member of Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) war cabinet, blasts the “massive egos”
There is no human being on earth whose ego surpasses that of your basic “Lieutenant Colonel.” Think Ollie North. I would bet that more coups d’etat have been led by Lt. Cols than by any other military rank.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pmMilitary is supposed to be for defense. We honor those who fought with memorials. We do not glorify military aggression. Thus the saying, “speak softly and carry a big stick”.
Besides if we have a military memorial for mccains service it would be a pile of wrecked jets and an illogical document from johnny that supports torture……
No wonder we’re on the wrong track.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pmWhat, you’ve got a better idea on where to throw piles of money — education, health care, infrastructure — frivolities like that, I suppose? Too complicated and too time-consuming. Construction of a war museum would take, oh, I don’t know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pmNO! NO! Max HeadButt misspoke! He meant to say we need a WART museum for all of McCain’s jowl warts, once they’ve been removed…
April 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pmleftcoast Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Journalists’ deaths by Nationality in Iraq since 2003
• Iraqi: 105
• European: 13
• Other Arab countries: 3
• United States: 2
• All other countries: 5
How many congressman and senators died in Iraq?
Politically ?
Hopefully the entire GOP along with the “Blue Dog” Dems…………….
April 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pmWe may mourn and remember the fallen of wars by monuments built in their tribute. But there is no purpose for a Museum of War other than to say we are un-civilized.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pmThe problem is they view the military as the military industrial complex. As a vet, the only memorials I need on the Mall are the ones that are currently there. …Although we may need to make room for a monument the sacrifice of our Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan vets.
I’ll wait for 2009 for a discussion of the merits of honoring those who faught knowing they had an obligation to serve even in the face of a war built on lies.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pmMCMetal- Wouldn’t be great if political misfortune would befall those who make war. Unfortunately, it would seem the blood of war is the chief donor to most campaigns over the generations of America.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pmOur cemitaries are the Museums of WAR. All you need to see is the names of the young soldiers who died. Black Sabbeth had it right with the WAR PIGS. How about a peace museum…but that wouldn’t be in the best interest of the nation, would it? They better not spend one red cent of Tax payer money to build the stupid monumment. Why is McCain even in the running. Either we are the most stupid people on this earth, or the media has been flat lying to the American people. In November we will find out.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pmWe do not need a “war museum”. There are many, many memorials in Washington DC and all over the country that commemorate those who fought and/or died in the many wars in which our nation has been involved.
Ladies and gentlemen, please hear me: THIS IS NOT THE USSR. THIS IS NOT NAZI GERMANY. THIS IS NOT SOME TWO-BIT THIRD-WORLD DICTATORSHIP. We do not need to glorify war!!
Honor their service, yes. Respect their committment, yes. Hell, use the money that would be used for a museum to actually SUPPORT THE TROOPS by giving them the medical and mental care so many of them need so badly.
We’re fighting an unnecessary war of choice with a military that is undersupplied, overstretched and overstressed. Give them the resources they need, not a museum they don’t.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pmleftcoast Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
MCMetal- Wouldn’t be great if political misfortune would befall those who make war. Unfortunately, it would seem the blood of war is the chief donor to most campaigns over the generations of America.
Why is a Neanderthal/warlike mind considered some type of a “wonder” or necessity for a president , as opposed to someone who is a deep , real intellectual thinker ?
One smart enough can avoid having others spill their blood over their own vanity…………….
April 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pmApparently the National WII Memorial, Vietnam War Memorial, the statue of Korean War Soldiers, the Washington Monument, (old George was a soldier, wasn’t he?), the Lincoln Memorial, (the Civil War must not come to mind for these people when they climb the steps), The U.S. Grant Memorial, the FDR Memorial, (that somehow neglects or fails to conjure WWII to mind despite its design), the National Air and Space Museum, (wonder if there are any pics of war planes there?), the numerous paintings, photographs and artifacts in possession of the Smithsonian, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, the White House, (which was torched by the British), the entire city itself, (created as a Capital for a new country having just finished a Revolutionary War), and the close proximity of Arlington Cemetary, Andrews Air Force Base just don’t remind this guy of the glories of war. By the by, many of the above mentioned are located on the traditional Mall, (between the Capital and Old George’s Envy Tower, (Wash Mem). Others are within a stone’s throw or on the non traditional Mall, from Georgie’s Big White Phalanx to the Lincoln Memorial, and others are a short drive out of the city. Just not enough to go around, I know.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pmoops left out “and the Pentagon” after “Andrews Air Force Base”.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:02 pmSo moral that it deserves repeating:
Hell, use the money that would be used for a museum to actually SUPPORT THE TROOPS by giving them the medical and mental care so many of them need so badly.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:04 pmMCMetal, you seem to be implying that the most redeeming qualities that a leader of a country can have are wisdom, compassion, responsibility and restraint. What about the more pertinent issue of who you’d rather have a beer with?
April 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pmFYI, Max Boot:
“on 11 October 2001, the Honorable Thomas E. White, Secretary of the Army, designated Fort Belvoir as the site for the National Museum of the United States Army (NMUSA)…
Secretary White selected Fort Belvoir as the most appropriate site best fitting the Army’s overall selection criteria that included public access, educational impact, accessibility for national leaders, commercial access, logistics and maintenance support, the facilitation of public law with respect to invaluable artifacts, and appropriate site physical characteristics.”
If you don’t like the location choice, take it up with Secretary White.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pmrobertoroberto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hey. That was borderline genius.
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Only borderline? ;-)
Well, it IS getting late on a Friday afternoon…
April 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pmHow about a torture museum? There’s already one in Amsterdam. Maybe we can show ‘em a thing or two about how to make people talk.
Maybe GW Bush can design the exhibits and put his sense of romance to work in the battle dioramas.
McCain’s priorities:
New GI Bill- no
War Museum -yes
So Bill O, Sean H, Rush L aren’t “elite” even though they have a national audience and are paid annually more than most of us will earn in a lifetime.
In GOP speak-
Billionaire George Soros – elite
Billionaire Sheldon Adelson – not elite
Only “liberals” can be elite
April 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pmMaybe Mr. Pussy Boots should encourage McCain to drop out of the presidential race, retire from the Senate, dress up in his old uniform, and travel around the Washington Mall with his own little “Mobile Military Museum”.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pmcazzie russell Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
MCMetal, you seem to be implying that the most redeeming qualities that a leader of a country can have are wisdom, compassion, responsibility and restraint. What about the more pertinent issue of who you’d rather have a beer with?
That would be with me ; I’m not a phony “reformed” drinker , ala Chimpy the Wonder Monkey.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Maybe Mr. Pussy Boots should encourage McCain to drop out of the presidential race, retire from the Senate, dress up in his old uniform, and travel around the Washington Mall with his own little “Mobile Military Museum”.
Would make a lot of sense to have McStupid as a part of it , seeing as how he looks like he’s made out of wax to begin with………………..
April 11th, 2008 at 4:31 pmIf elected president, McCain vowed to invade and occupy the Newseum for 100 years.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pmPeters argues that an an American military museum would be better:
War is a necessary evil, even when it is necessary to protect human rights it is still evil. War hurts both sides of the conflict. The ones that don’t parish in the war are left forever changed in many ways. The men and women that gave their lives and served in these wars, yes, we should honor them for the rest of their lives but not in this manner.
One of the ways we honor them is on Veterans Day. The most important way to honor them is by giving them better benefits for the rest of their lives. Improving all the VA Hospitals nationwide. These are tangible things that will improve their lives. What better way to honor them, than to give something back for the tremendous sacrifice they have made to us and our country.
April 11th, 2008 at 4:41 pmNettles Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Why the fear? This is why Denver will turn out to be utter turmoil, because the far left has highjacked the Democratic Party with their whining ways.
Yeah , as opposed to the “heroic” GOP , who are ruled by fearmongering neocon chickenshit chickenhawks ; good point ya’ got there , chucklehead………
April 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pmThere’s the San Jacinto Monument in Houston, the Alamo in San Antonio, yep, we have war museums all over the country. McCain made F’s in school. Maybe his closest associates are dumb lazy underachievers too, as sort of a requirement for being part of the team that intends to bring us Four More Years.
Along the lines of the Holocaust Museum, we need one for the Vietnam War and Iraq War–and they should be combined.
(I can’t wait for the general election.)
April 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pmNettles Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
If anyone read the Peters article, they would know that Peters is campaigning to have a museum honoring our military like the one that opened this week to honor our media.
He’s doing more than that. He’s denigrating someone else’s attempts to have a museum about journalism. Typical either-or thinking. And all those memorials on the Mall do honor our military.
Who said anything about “War Museum”?
Max Boots. If you read the thread.
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Not worthy of comment
April 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pmThis is why you fail here for sure and probably in the rest of your life too.
hint: they are “journalists”
April 11th, 2008 at 5:47 pmPerhaps leftcoaster’s point is that the deaths of those journalists was totally superfluous while the congress members and senators who have allowed this war to continue did not have to worry in the least that their lives were in any possible danger from a conflict that most of them have so fervently advocated and/or have done nothing to bring about the end of this totally needless and unjustified occupation.
April 11th, 2008 at 6:04 pmYeah, and kids should ride to school in APC’s instead of those wussy buses!
Anyone smelling the torches of a Nuremburg rally if McCain is elected.
April 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pmWhy do you think they will honor the Iragi veterans?
April 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pmBushbaby hasn’t been to one military funeral, and they are blacking out the press.
I don’t know, maybe as Americans who died in action while volunteering in a war zone. Your argument goes downhill from there. Are you going to imply that they were not contributing anything worthwhile?
April 11th, 2008 at 7:00 pmIf you want to wander about a war museum in DC walk across the bridge and go to Arlington Cemetery. It has a fine collection of dead Soldiers.
April 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pmKilo at #66
Since you seem to place a premium on words and the meaning that they convey, you may wish to acknowledge that your statement that “…when you factor in the people McCain suggested honouring instead” is not accurate. Actually, the post makes no specific mention of McCain suggesting that an American military museum be built. Rather, it is his advisors, Ralph Peters and Max Boot, who have put forth this suggestion.
Leaving that aside, a more relevant question that should be raised is the use of the word honor. According to The American Heritage Dictionary, the word honor is defined primarily as meaning something that merits glory or recognition or as a source of credit or high respect. I submit a much more appropriate word should be used regarding the deaths of American and coalition soldiers in Iraq as well as Afghanistan and that is the word lament, which means an expression of sorrow or regret. Liberals are just as prone to fall for this patriotic nonsense as are their flag waving colleagues.
I simply fail to comprehend why soldiers who have died for lies given to them by their government and who are illegally occupying other countries should be “honored.” There is nothing honorable in breaking down doors of Iraqis and Afghans and committing atrocities at Abu Ghrib and taking part in an occupation that has killed anywhere from 1,000,000 to 1.3 million innocent Iraqi people.
As mentioned above, a more suitable word that should be used regarding their needless deaths would be the word lament, as expressing sorrow and regret would seem much more appropriate for these lives that have been snuffed out [as well a those whose lives have been mangled and broken, both psychologically as well as physically, when they return back to this country] for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever. Honoring would seem to me to imply that these soldiers should be cheered for what they have done. I suggest that if the politicians in this country actually believe this nonsense to be true, that they take the next plane to the Middle East and ask the average citizen in any of those countries [with the possible exception of Israel]if they would agree with those sentiments. Five will get you ten that they most certainly will not.
April 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pmbentley1 Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Why do you think they will honor the Iragi veterans?
Bushbaby hasn’t been to one military funeral, and they are blacking out the press.
There will be homeless shelters opened, hospital wings added, and the right wing will forget about their service and go back to blaming them for wanting “handouts” in the form of VA benefits. At sometime in the future, probably 10 years or so, when the PTSD really kicks in, and the realization that they have been cast aside, some will snap and there will be a rash of mass shootings, like what happened in post offices (many of those postal workers who went nuts were Vietnam vets) and then Jay Leno and his ilk will make fun of them.
April 11th, 2008 at 7:29 pmA war museum? This country doesn’t have dime to its name after being drain of money being funded to the war in Iraq. If McCain needs a war museum that bad, get his GOP buddies to use their rebate checks coming May to fund his museum. I am sure the American people won’t mind.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:03 pmKilo, you just assume that I am never responding to you directly. You are so full of it that no one ever really knows what the heck you are talking about……I assume that includes you.
3 big wordy posts that no one will ever read. You want to compare numbers of dead when deciding who to honor…..you are pathetic.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm#75-Kilo
Bravo, pseudo expert! You managed to less than skillfully avoid addressing the point that I had raised, which is why soldiers who have taken part in an illegal and immoral occupation of a sovereign country should be “honored” for killing innocent Iraqis and Afghanis. Like so many other flag wavers and super patriots, you allow your emotions to overrule whatever intellect that you may possess.
As for your bizarre suggestion that I post my comments on a military blog [assuming that is what you meant by milblogs], are you seriously proposing that those over flowing testosterone robots who are or have been in the military would actually seriously dare to question the military [with the few exceptions such as the VVAW and the IVAW] or the government and whether the military or the government could actually be wrong in sending its soldiers to die for lies that they were given [as I was in a place called Vietnam]? If you actually believe this, then you are more out of touch with reality than I had previously thought.
As for your comments at #76, to quote that hero of the conservatives, Ronald Reagan, there you go again. You ask “Name one decorated hero from Iraq or Afghanistan.” You again seem to be assuming that these soldiers died performing some heroic deed. I tried to explain this to you on a different post but apparently it bears repeating. Only 2per cent to 6 per cent of those who are fighting against U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq could be considered members of that amorphous organization called al Qaeda. Again, we know this [at least any informative, intelligent person should be aware of this] because this has been confirmed by Congressman John Murtha, who has the best connections of anyone with the Pentagon, Thomas Ricks, military reporter of the Washington Post has stated the same numbers, as have Senator Evan Bayh and James Jones, the latter only being the former commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps. Or are you calling James Jones [a top military expert] a liar?
Like so many people, you are very quick to accept that heroes are always what they claim to be. They certainly would have merited that title if the Iraqis had been storming the shores of the United States. I am sorry to break the news to you but that did not happen. Despite what you seem to believe, the U.S. military is not fighting any Iraqis within the confines of this country. In fact, the reverse is true. The U.S. illegally and with no justification attacked Iraq, causing the deaths of anywhere from 1,000,000 to 1,200,000 innocent Iraqi people. As I stated at comment #71, you may want to try asking the average Iraqi or Afghani whether they believe that the actions of an American soldier should be considered heroic. Your myopia simply confirms that actions should be considered heroic only if those actions are performed by an imperial power against a defenseless sovereign country. One can also be certain that that view will hardly be tolerated on the military blogs [which you believe are so praiseworthy] that believes that the United States can never do wrong.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pmNo one wants to climb bullshit mountain. You can smell it from the ground.
April 12th, 2008 at 12:10 pmApril 12th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I meant:
April 12th, 2008 at 1:17 pm