Lieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.’
Lieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.’
In his New York Times column today, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol claimed that Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) now-infamous “bitter” remarks sound like Karl Marx’s “famous statement about religion.” On the Brian and the Judge radio show today, Fox News’ senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano asked Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) if Obama is “a Marxist as Bill Kristol says might be the case?”
“I must say that’s a good question,” replied Lieberman, before stepping back to say that he would “hesitate to say he’s a Marxist”:
NAPOLITANO: Hey Sen. Lieberman, you know Barack Obama, is he a Marxist as Bill Kristol says might be the case in today’s New York Times? Is he an elitist like your colleague Hillary Clinton says he is?
LIEBERMAN: Well, you know, I must say that’s a good question. I know him now for a little more than three years since he came into the Senate and he’s obviously very smart and he’s a good guy. I will tell ya that during this campaign, I’ve learned some things about him, about the kind of environment from which he came ideologically. And I wouldn’t…I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.
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April 14th, 2008 at 5:56 pmAnd in a related story, the National Enquirer was asked if Joe Lieberman was as massive a butt plug as he seemed.
April 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pmLieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist
It’s a good question to ask if Lieberman is a moron…
(I think he is)
April 14th, 2008 at 5:58 pm“he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me”
No sh!t, Joe. You’re a right-wing tool.
April 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pmHe’s got some positions that are far to the left of Lieberman? So that would put them about just to the right of center, right?
April 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pm…he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me…
Lieberman tells the truth!… Finally. I’m certainly glad he is willing to admit how far right of center he really is.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:00 pmDo you think Holy Joe knows how quickly the Senate Democrats will strip him of his seniority the second they get a majority that doesn’t depend on pleasing one pissy turncoat?
(Experts speculate that time period as “so quickly it’ll make his head spin”.)
April 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pmWow, he’s a Marxist/Muslim/black-supremacist? That Obama sure is a uniter!
April 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pmfar to the left of Lieberman? So, the center then?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pmJust something else William the Bloody can be wrong about….
April 14th, 2008 at 6:04 pmI can’t keep track of all his affiliations: Muslim, liberal, far left-liberal, elitist, Anti-American, Socialist, Marxist, Anti-Christian, half-frican, smoker, terrible bowler, drug addict, etc., etc., etc.,
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pmIt’s a good question to ask if McCain is a “zionist”, too!
Give this crap a rest! They’re so hot to smear Obama that they’re getting desperate.
I’d like to see the actual numbers of registered Repukes in the state of Penna. who changed their party affiliation to Democrat JUST to vote for Hillary since there’s no race there for them at this point. They’re salivating for Hillary to become the “candidate” because they know she’s not electable. She’s got more skeletons in her closet than your nearest graveyard and they know that she will go down before the contest even gets heated against McBush due to her lying about “sniper fire” and her own dirty deeds.
Of course, this group of sick Reptards in Penna. will stop at nothing to not lose control of the White House - even hold their nose and vote for Hillary JUST TO ATTEMPT TO THWART OBAMA.
CAN SOMEONE AT TP GET US THE NUMBERS FROM THE PA. STATE SUP. OF ELECTIONS ON THE NUMBERS OF REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE CHANGED THEIR PARTY AFFILIATION FOR THIS PRIMARY?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pmBush had almost 6 years with a republican controlled congress to enact his Tax Cuts and his hawkish right wing agenda.
So…. how did that turn out???
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pmNote to LIEbermann: You are so far right that EVERYTHING is far to the left of you.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
April 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
… strip him of his seniority…
I look forward to the day! My guess is there a lot of Dem Senators who will be toasting his irrelevance that evening at the local watering hole.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pmYeah, that’s a freakin’ GREAT question to ask, Joe…
If you’re a complete idiot, that is.
Jebus. What a maroon.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Sounds like someone I’d like to have a beer with!
April 14th, 2008 at 6:08 pmLieberman give me a bitter feeling.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:10 pmLieberZion needs to give it a rest! Everyone knows about his and the neocon’s pro-Isreal agenda.
To understand where Liberlips and his cronies are coming from get a copy of “The Isreal Lobby and US Foreign Policy” by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:11 pmleftcoast: bitter and scuzzy!
April 14th, 2008 at 6:11 pmNow I need to reregister here and change my screen name to HusseinCerberusHussein, the Bitter!
April 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
I can’t keep track of all his affiliations: Muslim, liberal, far left-liberal, elitist, Anti-American, Socialist, Marxist, Anti-Christian, half-frican, smoker, terrible bowler, drug addict, etc., etc., etc.,
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
The kitchen sink approach. And hope that something sticks so they can really trumpet it. Or maybe something for all the disparate groups. Like pick your hate.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pmLieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.’
Yeah , it’s sure a pertinent topic because you , McStupid’s BFF along with that effeminate Southern Belle Graham , claim it is.
It’s much more compelling and significant tha say , asking if your buddy is in violation of the FEC’s public financing laws …………………….
April 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pmJoe is another old piece of sh*t that needs to retire. Why don’t we implement a kind of Logan’s Run here in the US and that would take care of John and Joe?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pmJebus. LIEberman and Liberace Lindsay. What a pair.
*eyeroll*
April 14th, 2008 at 6:19 pmJoe Lieberman and Joe McCarthy.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:21 pmLIEberman’s face is right up there with bush and cheney on my list of those that make me wanna barf.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:22 pmThe Republican Slime machine turned the war hero John Kerry into the Unpatriotic Candidate, in his race against our first AWOL president.
They are NOW trying to turn Obama into an elitist …even though he was raised by a single Mother,and Worked for EVERYTHING he has accomplished, in his race against the son and grandson of Admirals who is one of the wealthiest members of the Senate, by virtue of his Lucrative Second Marriage.
Clinton and Obama have released their TAX records. Where are Senator McCain’s???
April 14th, 2008 at 6:22 pmLieBerZion sez so.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:22 pmLieberman owes Barack Obama an apology. The nerve of Joe Lieberman to pose as moral and religious while spreading, however artfully, falsehoods.
Apparently, Holy Joe doesn’t recall the Commandment: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
April 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pmNobody has mentioned that Obama supported Lieberman over progressive anti-war Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senate race.
Infact, Obama has said that Joe Lieberman was his MENTOR.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pmThis kinda tells me that they really got nothin’ and they know it.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pmSome would ask if Joe Lieberman is a traitorous, lying, slimy, unethical, basturd a$$hole.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pmThey would be correct.
When?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:30 pmI’ve got a much better question.
Is Lieberman a Mossad Operative? It’s a fair question to ask, in light of his unwavering support for all things Israeli.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:31 pm#31 - Could you back that up that Obama supported Liebermann over Ned Lamont ? This is the first I have heard that.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:31 pmObama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman
from March 2006
HARTFORD, Conn. –U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman
Full unedited article:
April 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pmhttp://www.boston.com/ news/ local/ connecticut/ articles/ 2006/ 03/ 31/ obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/
2million,
That was before Lamont’s campaign got going. When it came down to it, Obama supported Lamont: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 10/ 26/ AR2006102601187.html
HARTFORD, Conn. — Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, a vocal defender of Sen. Joe Lieberman earlier this year, is urging Connecticut voters to rally behind his rival, Ned Lamont.
The Illinois senator and potential 2008 presidential candidate sent an e-mail message Thursday praising Lamont.
“Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grass-roots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election,” Obama wrote. “Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign.”
The Lamont campaign said Obama’s e-mail went to about 5,000 Connecticut residents.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pmBadger, I like that phrase Lucrative Second Marriage…
Is that the one to the trollop heiress who trowels on her make up, the k*nt???
April 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pmIt’s a good question to ask if Joe Lieberman is a Zionist traitor.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pm…[Obama’s] got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America. — Lieberman
That’s not saying much. Mainstream America IS far to the left of Joe Lieberman.
Lieberman has gone so far to the right that he could not get reelected as a Democrat in Connecticut.
He’s this year’s Zel Miller: an ex-Democrat with no honor, integrity or credibility, who sold his soul in a vain attempt to extend his 15 minutes of fame.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm#38 DB…
I appreciate you bringing the information in the WaPo article to my attention.
I’d have to investigate more fully to understand exactly what happened. I notice the article was from Oct., 2006. Weeks before the election.
I wonder if Obama was simply covering all bases? Did he ever officially say that he’s throwing his support to Lamont? The article is not clear on this point.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:50 pmLieberman represents the Likud socialists, and as such he is derivative of Marx, Lenin, and Strauss-all totalitarians.
Their tactic is to characterize anyone who disagrees with their extremism exactly what they themselves are. That’s standard operating procedure from Pravda to Fox.
Lieberman is out of touch with most Israelis, who want peace and a two-state Palestinian solution, and vigorously oppose the Final Solution common to totalitarians. The Likud is the violent, preemptive faction that has shown itself to be one of the Earth’s most extreme ideologies today.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/ lenin_trotsky_strauss_and_kristol.html
Kristol, a leading Neo Con socialist who has done nothing but attack our Republic, is only acting out his Marxist-Straussian programming.
Google Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol and within ten minutes you will be inundated with both comrade Kristol’s ideology and that of comrade Lieberman.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/birth_of_irving.html
April 14th, 2008 at 6:52 pmWay to promote infighting, you kook indumbpendent.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pmInteresting….considering LIEberman was Sen Obama’s mentor when he first came to town.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pmIs Joe Lieberman still an American?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pmBill Kristol, Andrew Napolitano and Joe Lieberman. Now there’s a threesome that’s a bastion of truth, facts and knowledge. Anyone trying to pawn this shit off as something to be concerned about would immediately be dismissed as a lunatic. But considering the source, it’s no wonder that these 3 imbeciles try mightily to act like this is a serious dilemma. Hopefully, Obama will counter soon with a retort that will make these buffoons like the childish, fearmongering morons that they really are.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:57 pm2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda Says:
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Nobody has mentioned that Obama supported Lieberman over progressive anti-war Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senate race.
Infact, Obama has said that Joe Lieberman was his MENTOR.
April 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
More like his MENTAL(case)
April 14th, 2008 at 6:57 pmDid Hillary write this question? She’s as good at uniting the Democrats as Lieberman. /sarc off
April 14th, 2008 at 6:57 pmLeberman: “I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.”
Well, you’re not exactly even close to the left hand side of things anymore, are you Joe Boy?
And as far as mainstream America goes, how would you know anything about that?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:58 pmYour own little enclave of “Zyonizm” isn’t exactly mainstream…
Shayne Says:
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Is Joe Lieberman still an American?
April 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Maybe
In downtown Jerusalem…………
April 14th, 2008 at 6:58 pmAnd Hillary, way to court animal rights groups by bragging about pumping a bullet in a duck.
The numbers and endorsements still fall in Obama’s favor. The question of which I ponder: Will this make any significant impression on the superdelegates?
This is already annoying me, because Hillary and McKook are ignoring Obama’s plausible explanation of all of this and pretending that he never explained himself.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:01 pmI guess they have to put up with him for six more months, then he gets tossed. I wonder if agents of zionist Israeli organizations are aloud to be in the senate?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:03 pmQuisling Joe has some views that are far to the left of mainstream sentience.
Quisling Joe’s “Marxism” (paraphrased):
“Remember, you’re fighting for this clown’s honor, which is more than he ever did!”
April 14th, 2008 at 7:04 pmC&L has the kkkristol version of this… with a link to TPs LIEberman version…
this from andrew sullivan, via C&L:
Now He’s A Godless Commie
April 14th, 2008 at 7:06 pm14 Apr 2008 09:48 am
Bill Kristol, trained in the same politics as Hillary Clinton, now argues that Obama’s remarks in a fundraiser q and a are the “real Obama” - and that his voluminous writing and speaking about the sincerity of his own religious faith, and of others, are presumably “masks.” The reason for inferring Obama’s Marxism is the following point Obama artlessly made about the way in which economic distress can alter people’s tolerance for others:
[the bitter quote}
[…]
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ the_daily_dish/ 2008/ 04/ now-hes-a-godle.html
Bomb Iran, is that you Sen. McCain?
-GSD
April 14th, 2008 at 7:09 pmTP, PLEASE RESTORE FLAGGING — THANKS!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:10 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
Like VP Cheney said, “So?”
April 14th, 2008 at 7:10 pmTell us, (trash) BIN, what is your proposal for dealing with the negative aspects of Iran, and how will you pay for it?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:13 pmshould we bomb everyone we “don’t approve of”??
idiot.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:14 pmAre you saying the U.S. should police the world, BIN?
Take it to the U.N. Complain to other human-rights groups.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:15 pmSO, if we’re not going to be able to flag idiot Righty Spamhawks, will we at least be allowed to abuse them with harsh and vulgar condemnation??
…cause I really want to right about now.
braindead jingo asshats.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:15 pmAny explanation from TP as to why we can no longer approve or disapprove of posts?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:16 pm“I’m a Braindead Jingo Asshat, and I think we should kill everyone else on Earth and divide up their stuff because Jesus loves us”
April 14th, 2008 at 7:17 pm68 - Bite a fart.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:17 pmWhat about the “repressive regime” of child-rapists that was allowed to build a whole town in Texas that they could use to screw little girls????????????
Shall we bomb Texas, or just the Mormons?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:19 pmNoone here supports their regime you ignorant fck.
Huury up TP, I want to drop a flag bomb on the idiot BIN.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:20 pmLook at how free the women are. Why do you Leftists support a regime that has imposed an Arab identity on the Persians. You Progressives support Cultural genocide. This video made me almost cry.
And this would be when the Shah ruled Iran. I guess someone is too young to remember how brutal he was. Women also wore similar clothing in Saddam’s Iraq. Don’t you feel their pain, now that they’ve been forced back into burkas? Why do you support a regime that brought Iraq back to a religious theocracy?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:20 pmcheney yourself, asshat
April 14th, 2008 at 7:20 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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tombaker,
Why are you avoiding the issue. You don’t think it’s sad what the regime has done in Iran. I’m not advocating atatcking them. I just want Progressives to admit their regime is evil. I don’t undersatnd how Progressives can support a regime that oppresses women.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Think of it as the same as you GOP/Chimpy backers who support Mormonism and Christianity and see nothing wrong with your imbecilic simian hero dancing and holding hands with the most oppressive Islamic regime in relation to women in Saudi Arabia , knucklehead…………..
April 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pmBTW - Get on topic, or get off thread.
Why are you avoiding the issue of Joe Lieberman calling a Presidential Candidate a “radical leftist” that may be a Marxist???
That’s the topic.
Comment on it, or STFU!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:22 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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barfly,
SO the Ayatollah regime is better than the Shah’s?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
The US was responsible for empowering both ; and , more specifically , it was you imbeciles in the GOP , actually……….
April 14th, 2008 at 7:23 pmI just want Progressives to admit their regime is evil. I don’t undersatnd how Progressives can support a regime that oppresses women.
When you admit the same is going on in Iraq, we’ll talk.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:23 pmbarfly,
SO the Ayatollah regime is better than the Shah’s?
Read some history, before asking stupid questions.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pmNobody here supports violence against anyone. But the U.S. cannot empty its tank to fuel others. Maybe if righties could stop opposing institutions such as the U.N., they could formulate policies to better expand human rights around the world instead of trying to turn it into a war enabler. These countries, individually, need to be responsible for shaping up.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
I don’t like Bush. He’s an ass kisser of the Saudis. I just don’t understand the sympathy Leftists have for the Ayatollahs.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Which “Ayatollahs” ?
Where the hell did you read that here ?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:25 pmWhy is it hard for you Leftists to condemn the Iranian regime. Please explain.
Um, Ronald Reagan sold them weapons. How bad can they be, if the greatest conservative in American history chose to sell them weapons?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pmLieberman is A shande far di goyim ( ??? ???????? ??????? ???? ?????)—-”A shame in front of the goyim.”
April 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Carter was in power when the Ayatollahs took over. Why is it hard for you Leftists to condemn the Iranian regime. Please explain. I’m being civil here and I just want an answer. I want to understand how Progressives who support women’s rights support the a regime that oppresses and kills them.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Why is it so hard for you GOP stooges to admit and understand that the garbage GOP empowered almost everyone now that is our so-called “enemy” ?
Remember Iran-Contra ? The arms for hostages exchange/agreement ?
The arming of the Taliban , Bin Laden and al Qeada ?
Was that done by “progessives” you GOP tool ?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:28 pmIt’s good to ask LIEberman if he is a NeoCon Fascists.
FREAKING weasel!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:28 pmProgressives support the Mahdi Army which is trying to import this type of regime in Iraq.
Strawmen aren’t indicative “dialog.”
Why do you think Iran is so bad, if Reagan didn’t?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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barfly,
Progressives support the Mahdi Army which is trying to import this type of regime in Iraq.
So you are saying the Ayatollahs are better than the Shah, explain please? I’m not name calling here. I just want dialogue with Progressives.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Hey chowderhead
The Ayatollahs came into being because of the garbage GOP’s idiotic and inane decision to remove the democratically elected president of Iran , in favor of the Shah …………
April 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pmLie-berman has a little over 200 days left before he becomes totally irrelevant…as you can see he is already wrinkled up, soon he’ll turn to dust and blow away.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pmWe’re finding out a hell of a lot more about Hussein Obama these days. He’s NOT the person he was pretending to be. He has absolutely NO chance in winning in Nov and Hillary’s career is about over.
Mc Cain will easily win although he’s not my first, second or third pick!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pmOnly after Righties have put their own house in order, which should take a generation or two, they can comment on what the Lefties have to think, say or do.
Until then, no Conservitard or Republican’t has any standing on any issue - you guys had your turn, and you used it to turn everything you touched to pure shit.
And quit pretending to know dick about history. You never did, and sure as hell don’t now.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pmBoth GOP and Dems are responsible for this.
Dems didn’t sell them weapons…
April 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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So you are saying the Ayatollahs are better than the Shah, explain please? I’m not name calling here. I just want dialogue with Progressives.
You don’t want anything to do with those who were right the last 7+ years. You don’t want to talk to a progressive, you can barely find your way out of the house most mornings. Why are you here at TP? Our side was right, your side was (and still is) wrong. How about an apology before you dialog with anybody. This thread has to do with Lieberman and Obama and the ‘Marxist’ tag. Do you have something helpful to add? If not, please go to Red State or O’reilly’s site. you will find food and drink there, plus cots in the basement for your naps.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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barfly,
Carter also convinced thge Shah to step down and initially supported the Ayatollah Khomenei. Both GOP and Dems are responsible for this.
I’m reffering to the support the Iranian Regime has from the Left. It makes no sense.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
The Shah didn’t “step down” you clueless wonder ; he was friggin’ OVERTHROWN during the Islamic Revolution in 1979.
Get a clue.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pmIgnore this piece of shit.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pmMCMetal,
So you support the Ayatollahs?
I thought you asserted that we DO support the “ayatollahs.”
And now you ask? You’re loopy.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pmWhy do trolls have such a difficult time sticking to the topic?
Is it because their positions are so bankrupt that they are desperate to change the subject?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:34 pm“I must say that’s a good question,” replied Lieberman, before stepping back to say that he would “hesitate to say he’s a Marxist”
It must really rankle Obama that he stuck by his “mentor”, LIEberman when Lamont beat him in Connecticut. That’s one thing that puzzles me about Obama, how he ever could have considered LIEberman to be a mentor.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:35 pmbarfly,
Yes they did. In the 80’s the House was under Dem control.
Also the arming iof the Mujahadeen in Afgahnistan was started by Jimmy Carter.
The House had nothing to do with Iran/Contra. The dems tried to stop it, by legislating the Boland Amendment. Your version of history has some pretty big gaps.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pmStratRat, you ask why the troll is here?
It’s because he has no friends, no life, and enjoys hanging around people who neither like nor respect him.
He likes it so much, in fact, that he’s got 400 names registered with TP, so that as soon as they ban one, he’s back with the next.
Sad, huh?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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Was that done by “progessives” you GOP tool?
The Taliban was never armed by Reagan. That’s a lie. The Taliban wasn’t around till 93/94. Bill Clinton initiallty supported the Taliban’s rise. As for Al-Qaeda that was the ISI from Pakisatn. The CIA backed what would become the Northern Alliance.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Yeah
From the same jackass who claimed the Shah of Iran “stepped down” ; guess you call it that when you’re OVERTHROWN during a revolution…….
Though there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan and “by 1987 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war”.
1994 , eh chuckles ?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pmWhat I don’t get is why so many intelligent TPers fell for the troll’s obvious derailing tactic.
How did this thread become a debate about Carter’s involvement in arming the Ayatollah?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:38 pmBomb Iran Now:
Why do conservatives want more war? Why can’t they sacrifice their own families? Why do conservatives hate the troops?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:38 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Carter withdrew support for the Shah and convinced him to leave.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
What the hell are you talking about ?
HE WAS OVERTHROWN , YOU CLOWN.
Various controversial policies were enacted, including the banning of the Tudeh Party and the oppression of dissent by Iran’s intelligence agency, SAVAK; Amnesty International reported that Iran had as many as 2,200 political prisoners in 1978. By 1979, the political unrest had transformed into a revolution which, on January 16, forced the Shah to leave Iran after 37 years of rule. Soon thereafter, the revolutionary forces transformed the government into an Islamic republic.
The above sure doesn’t say anything about Carter nor of the Shah “resigning”…….
April 14th, 2008 at 7:39 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
McWars,
I’m not proposing anything. I just want Progressives to open their eyes at the nature of a regime they support.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Jeebus wept. Because “Progressives” don’t support yet ANOTHER RW war of aggression, they “support” the Ayatollahs. Feh.
If Iran becomes an “imminent threat” (to Israel, of course — NOT the USA,) the Israelis are perfectly capable of turning Iran into a black-glass parking lot all by themselves.
But, no — the USA has to start a war. If ya ain’t WITH us, yer AGIN us.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:40 pmGrow up and realize both parties are corrupt.
I’m more experienced than you in many things, so stuff your condescending tone, pinhead.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:41 pmJeez, even Daryll at least has the integrity to stick to a topic.
Trajan doesn’t even have the courage of his own convictions. Even Trajan is embarrassed by Holy Joe Lieberman. So much so that he needs to derail the thread.
Sad.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:41 pmDid anyone read Kristol(clear)Bill’s column in the Times, where He compared Obama to Marx? How in hell can anyone take this right wing chicken hawk seriously. Bumbling Bill has been so wrong on Iraq, now he’s advising us “unwashed voters”, go away Kristol, you little war mung-er.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:42 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
You are putting words in Progressives mouths here. You are not being honest about wanting a serious discussion. You are sneakily trying to inflame and disrupt this thread. Therefore you are a troll. Stay on topic or stop commenting.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:42 pmI read up on all this controversy about what Obama said about people being better and I was shocked what I found. Apparently someone named Mayhill Fowler, who writes for Huffington Post (that surprised me). She brought a mp3 recorder into the “no press allowed” private fundraiser and that’s where this whole thing started. It turns out that this woman’s husband has given $25,000 to Clinton while Ms. Fowler is claiming to be an Obama supporter (even after her hit job). Then there is the timing. She had that tape recording for a week, but didn’t write her column until Friday, right in the middle of all the publicity about Bill’s shady dealings in his tax returns and the resurgence of the Bosnia flat. And, amazingly enough, Hillary showed up with “I’m not bitter” bumper stickers the very next day. How convenient.
How this site can support a woman who is doing her best to split the Democratic party and to possibly give the election to John McCain is beyond me. Sometimes it makes me so mad I want to just walk away from TP and never come back.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:42 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Sad, huh?
Sad indeed. Although it did derail the thread, which was probably the goal to begin with. The thing is, I believe we (TP bloggers) think trolls like ‘Bomb Iran’ are not just loose boweled, underworked shills for the idiot in chief. We think maybe - just maybe - they are here to learn from ‘the other side’. After all, we were right about everything the last 7 years, and they have been wrong about everything the last 7 years. We are incorrect in thinking the troll is here to learn - they are here to remind us that evolution in some species has not evolved far enough.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:42 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
April 14th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Since when is “major military activity” synonymous with “birth” and “all other previous activity” ?
BTW
Though there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets.
“Early 1980’s” means the same as “1994″ , does it ?
EARLY 1980′S , you Ronnie Retard loser fan……….
April 14th, 2008 at 7:43 pmbarfly,
I was reffering to arming of the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan.
And I was referring to the traitorous republican Ronald Reagan, who made a deal to gain release of the hostages after the election. You cannot point to any actions by a democrat that are even close to Reagan’s perfidy.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:44 pmbarfly,
What are you experienced in?
Chumping piss-soaked trolls - like you!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:45 pmgo on - git, ya mangy righty varmint!!
where’s mah scatter-gun!?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:46 pmbarfly,
Bill Clinton giving China Military Technology for Campaign Cash.
Never proven. Try again.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pmRighties molest children and steal medicine from Grandmas.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pmRighties support child molesters and wife beaters.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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StratRat,
You guys are wrong about Islamism. That’s why many here support the Ayatollahs.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Yeah
You rubes who voted for a bad actor who became an even worse president , topped only by voting for a life-long failure who didn’t even know the difference between the sects of the people in the country he was about to (illegally and stupidly)invade , sure can claim “knowledge” on so many different levels…………………Especially Islam.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmRighties want to create a feudalistic theocracy.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmRigthies are mortgaging the future of the Nation to Chinese Communists.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmNow one here supports the Ayatollahs you idiot. Now go away or get on topic.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmBill Clinton giving China Military Technology for Campaign Cash.
Compared to the guy who sold weapons to our enemies, while they were holding Americans hostage? Come on.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
StratRat,
You guys are wrong about Islamism. That’s why many here support the Ayatollahs.
So it comes down to just another racist troll throwing feces.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pmHow predictable.
Bomb Iran Now Says:
jonny,
I’m not calling for war. …
April 14th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
“Bomb Iran Sometime, Somebody.” ‘Cuz bombin’ ain’t war.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pmI’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.
Far to the left of Liebermann? But the left of Liebermann is far right…
April 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pmRighties sell landmines to warlords who blow childrens’ legs off with them.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:50 pmYou’re repeating an Urban Legend.
And what is “Clinton sold technology to China for campaign cash?”
(reputable) Link?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:51 pmBomb Iran Now is quite incessant. The only reason the neocon republicans want to bomb Iran is to steal their oil and to make an even more obscene amount of money via the military industrial complex (Halliburton, Bechtel, KBR, etc.). How much stock do you own in any of these companies BIN? Why don’t you enlist so you can be the first to go into Iran and kill for your fuhrer, George Bush. This false compassion for Iranian women is such a crock of shit.
Here’s a message for you I’m sure most all here will agree with me on… Change your diaper and then go swallow a turd!
April 14th, 2008 at 7:51 pmCorrection, robbez: same troll, spewing a new day’s feces under a different name.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:52 pmConnecticut should be penalized one senate seat for electing that jerk….the seat can be donated to Guam or Puerto Rico. Never in the history of representation has an official so woefully neglected his duty to the will of his constituents.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:52 pmRighties have run up the National Debt to 900 BILLION dollars.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:52 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
The Taliban wasn’t around in the 80’s. I’m reading from the same source you are. That Paragraph was discussing the help the CIA was giving the Mujahadeen. The Taliban came later. I can link you more sources. You’re repeating an Urban Legend.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Though there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:53 pmThe question above is whether the CIA was directly involved in aiding the Taliban in the 1980’s , you twit ; there is (obvious to those of us capable of reading and comprehension that are not Ronnie Retard fans) no question as to their existence…………
Bomb Iran Now Says:
I’m not calling for war. I just want Progressives to condemn the Iranian regime with the same fervor they condemn, Israel, The US, Th UK, China and other countries. That’s all. I want the Left to be against this regime.
Why, when is the last time that Iran killed thousands of people (what was the final death count the last time Israel attacked Palestine? Also, why in the hell do you think we should care what you want. You are obviously a right wing tool and the only reason why you are still here is because TP forgot to give us back the ability to flag your sorry a$$.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:53 pmbarfly,
China has nukes pointed as us and their Military consider us future adversaries. Clinton knowing this gave them technology to help with their Missiles, Planes, Telecommunications and Subs. That’s worse than selling weapons to free hostages.
Except you can’t prove the Clinton crap, while I can prove Reagan stuff.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:53 pmTP… sometimes you just go over the top. You lose a lot of credibility when you inject a title like that into a story. Ever heard of a fallacy? I think you just made one. -Barack Obama 2k8
April 14th, 2008 at 7:54 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Groups of taliban (”religious students”) were loosely organized on a regional basis during the occupation and civil war. Although they represented a potentially huge force, they didn’t emerge as a united entity until the taliban of Kandahar made their move in 1994. In late 1994, a group of well-trained taliban were chosen by Pakistan to protect a convoy trying to open a trade route from Pakistan to Central Asia. They proved an able force, fighting off rival mujahideen and warlords. The taliban then went on to take the city of Kandahar, beginning a surprising advance that ended with their capture of Kabul in September 1996.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Hey ignoramus
You are referring to when the Taliban came out from their virtual anonymity ; not their birth.
You don’t have a clue you brainless wonder………Stop posting crap from GOP-friendly sites.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:55 pmFrom bomby’s link - in fact thevery first paragraph: A Chinese aerospace official, believed by some to be a key link in the chain of funds that allegedly flowed from Chinese government officials to the Democratic Party, denied Thursday she ever gave money to any political party in the United States.
This is your proof? You’re laughably inept.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:56 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
China has nukes pointed as us and their Military consider us future adversaries. Clinton knowing this gave them technology to help with their Missiles, Planes, Telecommunications and Subs. That’s worse than selling weapons to free hostages.
This one is too stupid for words. It thinks that China would want to nuke us. Why would they want to nuke a country they pretty much own and a country that buys more than 50% of the crappy goods they produce. Wouldn’t that kind of be like cutting off their nose to spite their face? Just another neocon talking point.
TP, please give us the flag button back. I liked it much better here when you did a regular cleanup.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pmBomb Texas Now
…makes about as much sense as bombing Iran would.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI’m too tired to read all 100+ posts, but has the new idiot troll Bomb Iran posted anything but off-topic posts to this one?
April 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI always enjoy it when a troll, faced with evidence of his paymaster’s corruption, desperately shrieks that “both parties are corrupt”!!!
I guess in the binary mind, moral equivalence is pretty easy to come by.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pmtombaker Says:
Bomb Texas Now
…makes about as much sense as bombing Iran would.
Actually, it makes more sense to me.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pmNo.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pmIf this is the “new and improved” comment system, I’m done with this place.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pmtombaker Says:
Bomb Texas Now
…makes about as much sense as bombing Iran would.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
HAW! Texas has PROVEN itself to be an imminent threat to freedom. Bush, DeLay, Gramm (McSame’s stooge,) etc., etc.
Wall it off.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:00 pmI support the TP regime to blow your ass out of here.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:00 pmSince the Democrats and the Republicans pretty much account for the US government the question must be asked; why does Trajan hate America?
April 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmSanta Klaus is not real???
April 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmbarfly,
I provided other links. But you’re so brainwashed that you can’t concieve the Democrats are as bad as the Republicans. Grow up and see reality. They are both evil.
Gee, the big thinker is sucking on the thought of another big loss in november, so now, “everybody’s crooked.”
I have a cousin in the House, and he’s definitely no crook, or no republican. Stuff your assertion.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pmDon’t you beleieve (sic) it!
April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
They came after the Soviet invasion and had nothing to do with the CIA. So you’ve been bunked. Can’t argue with facts. But you have a right to believe an Urban Legend.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
And do you know when the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan occurred , chuckles ?
NINTEEN SEVENTY NINE - 1979
“After” that would be the 1980’s , assbag.
You have proven a pretty sorry little GOP/Ronnie Retard/Chimpy leg humping pissant , who is horribly ignorant of history……….You have presented no “facts” , other than claims that do not corollate with what is actually printed in any link.
You lose………….
April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pmIt’s the troll equivalent of getting his ass kicked in “Battleship” and then claiming that it’s a “stupid game anyway”.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:04 pmWhy do you support the Regressive regime in Iraq?
Fixed it for you, free of charge.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pmI don’t vote anyway so I’m clean and could care less about both parties. I just like coming here and see the self righteousness Progressives have. You guys are really idealists and are Naive.
Comedy gold! I haven’t been “naive” since last week.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:07 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
jonny,
So you would support attacking fellow Americans? Why do you support the Regressive regime in Iran?
April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
I’d say you were snark-challenged, but it’s obvious that you’re sentience-challenged. No worries, though, relax.
I would never support attacking invertebrates.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:11 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
The Taliban didn’t rise until the 90’s. They fought the Mujahadeen which became the Northern Alliance. Get your facts straight.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
And let’s see now :
The Taliban movement began when Afghanistan was in crisis. The origin of the Taliban Movement lies in the Jihad against the Soviet Union and in the refugee camps in Pakistan.
And now you’ve revealed yourself to be totally clueless and stupid……………The “Northern Alliance” …….??
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Stop posting you ignorant GOP d-bag.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pmhysterical incoherent ninny.
petit demagogue.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:13 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Your own post says nothing about the CIA and Taliban. The Taliban cam about in the 90’s. That’s a fact.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
A “fact” from where ?
The same stinky stupid ass that also claimed the Shah of Iran “stepped down” , when he was dethrowned by a revolution ?
Stop posting ; you have no idea what the hell you’re talking/typing about , moron……….
April 14th, 2008 at 8:14 pmTP is messing up again.
I’m out of here.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:17 pmIt may have been hijacked by a complete gasbag, but this thread is one of the funniest I’ve followed in a while. BIN will post a bullshit link from the Rush Limbaugh rectal database in 3… 2… 1…
April 14th, 2008 at 8:20 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Just cauhght you in a lie. Read very carefully.
Most of the fighters in the movement are too young to have actively fought against the Russians. Rather, they grew up in the refugee camps outside Afghanistan (Marsden 34-35).
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/MidEast/05/cochran/
There you go!
Liar! You lost!
April 14th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
“Most” does not mean “all” ; and you still need to explain this sentence :
“The origin of the Taliban Movement lies in the Jihad against the Soviet Union and in the refugee camps in Pakistan.”
That is not what you claimed , moron ; you claimed :
“The Taliban didn’t rise until the 90’s. They fought the Mujahadeen which became the Northern Alliance. Get your facts straight.”
LIAR
April 14th, 2008 at 8:20 pmHmmmm… it appears that SOMEBODY got into Mummy’s little pills this afternoon while she was at work…
April 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
Nice try but you lost.
Read again.
The origin of the Taliban Movement lies in the Jihad against the Soviet Union and in the refugee camps in Pakistan.”
Here’s the answer.
“Rather, they grew up in the refugee camps outside Afghanistan”
Get that. They weren’t around in th 80’s. They were Kids. It was in the 90’s they came about. Look you can believe the Urban Myth but I posted facts.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Are you learning impaired ?
What does “origin” mean ?
And the line(s) you laughably posted and tried to use against me to erroneously call me a “liar” (when you yourself are) , was in referrence to the Taliban of that day , at the time when the article was written ; not the actual birth of the Taliban itself , you reading and comprehension challenged buffoon.
Wow ………You’re a colossal moron as well as being completely full of shit…….Congrats.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pmIf I actually had to listen to this moron I would have been forced to stick a pen into my ear and puncture my eardrum. So, I decided not to listen to this blithering, dangerous a$$hole.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pmBomb Iran Now Says:
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MCMetal,
You’re trying to slither out of being trapped in a corner. The Taliban were kids in the 80’s. Explain how they fought and were aided by the CIA when they were 8 or 10 living in Pakistan Refugee camps. They didn’t get organized until 93/94. You lost get over it!
April 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Hey moron
The Taliban of “THAT DAY” were kids when the TALIBAN MOVEMENT 1ST ORIGINATED FROM THE SOVIET INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN.
What word don’t you understand , you Ronnie Retard backing , GOP worm ?
You “LOST” , JACKASS………….
April 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pmBomb Iran Now
Thanks for playing , you lying , ignorant GOP backing shitstain ……….. YOU LOSE.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:48 pmActually, Bomb Iran, the Taliban movement has Pashtun and Sunni roots that go back some 250 years.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:49 pmAccording to the Wikipedia article on the Taliban, the US was sending an awful lot of money and weapons to all of the “freedom fighters” as Reagan once called them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
here is a sparkling quote for good old Ronnie
“The Afghan Mujaheddin are the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers of America.”
April 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pmXisithrus Says:
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Actually, Bomb Iran, the Taliban movement has Pashtun and Sunni roots that go back some 250 years.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Not according to Bomb Iran’s (lying) ass , it doesn’t …….
April 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pmWhen someone suggests that a need for religion is driven by the failure of the state, it sure sounds like at least a hint of Marxism, no?
And I’m surprised that no one’s come out here and say, “What’s so bad about Marxism anyway?”
April 14th, 2008 at 8:54 pmWell, Potfry, Americas left is not Communist left. I am a moderate yet I have noticed the American left detests Marxism, Stalinism. Nietzsche and also Straussianism.
Ironically it is the [supposed] right that has embraced neo-conism
April 14th, 2008 at 9:01 pmPotfry Says:
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When someone suggests that a need for religion is driven by the failure of the state, it sure sounds like at least a hint of Marxism, no?
And I’m surprised that no one’s come out here and say, “What’s so bad about Marxism anyway?”
April 14th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
No
It sounds like he’s describing GOP backing rubes to a “T” , actually………
April 14th, 2008 at 9:01 pmSo, Potfry,why has the ‘right’, and I use those directionist terms loosely, embraced the ‘left’?
April 14th, 2008 at 9:03 pmWhy is my question being answered with a question?
April 14th, 2008 at 9:08 pmLieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.’
Groucho, Harpo, or Chico?
April 14th, 2008 at 9:09 pmThis is as intelligent an argument as The Doughy Pantload arguing that the Left reveals its fascism when it embraces the organic food movement, because Nazis were into “the organic whole”.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:09 pmWhy is my question being answered with a question? -Potfry
When someone suggests that a need for religion is driven by the failure of the state, it sure sounds like at least a hint of Marxism, no?
Because your injecting your opinion into the question.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:10 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
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Lieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.’
Groucho, Harpo, or Chico?
April 14th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Schizo ……….
April 14th, 2008 at 9:24 pmObama’s father was a Marxist economist though. People have already dug up some of his old papers taling about nationalising industry and banks.
“Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:
1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)
2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)
3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)
4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of “African Socialism” negatively with the well-defined ideology of “scientific socialism”, i.e. communism. Obama views “African Socialism” pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only “a little” from the capitalist system. (p. 26)
5. Obama advocates an “active” rather than a “passive” program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) “While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. ” (pp. 29-30)
6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)
7. Obama advocates government owned and operated “model farms” as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)
8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a “non-aligned” status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)”
Here are some other problems Obama has with his family:
“Soetoro-Ng describes her mother as being an agnostic, who gave the kids “all the good books,” and mentions the Bible, and Hindu and Buddhist scripture. Solomon jumps on that, wondering why she didn’t mention the Koran, since Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation. Soetoro-Ng replies, “I should have mentioned the Koran. Mom didn’t really emphasize the Koran, but we read little parts of it. We did listen to morning prayers in Indonesia.”
“Barack Obama’s cousin Raila Odinga is charged with ethnic cleansing by Kenyan officials.
Barack Obama’s cousin and Kenyan Opposition Leader Raila Odinga (BBC)
The BBC reported:
President Mwai Kibaki was declared the winner of the 27 December poll, but the results were rejected by the opposition and called into question by international observers.
More than 600 people have died in unrest since, and another quarter of a million have been driven from their homes.
In an interview last week with the BBC’s HARDtalk programme, Ms Karua said the government had suspected that Mr Raila Odinga’s ODM party was “planning mayhem if they lost”.
But she said they had not expected “the magnitude [of the violence] and for it to be ethnic cleansing”.
I like Obama but he has no chance of being elected with all this baggage, even if it is just used in an exaggerated way to swiftboat him. Fox news will have this on 24 hours a day and there is enough of it to keep on continuously through the election. They have enough to describe him, rightly or wrongly, as a former Muslim, a Marxist (from his father’s influence), hating white people (from his book), pretending to not be angry at whites (from his book), hating the white blood in his veins (from his book), having a cousin who is a mass murderer, a sister who is a devout Muslim, an elitist, prefers orange juice to coffee (they will find a way to spin even this), etc.
A lot of this is no doubt unfair, but this is far more than what beat Kerry and Gore. The only reason they haven’t swiftboated him already is they are waiting for Hillary to have no chance to getting the nomination either.
Unless the Obama supporters wake up to what is coming McCain has this in the bag.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:25 pmPotfry Says:
When someone suggests that a need for religion is driven by the failure of the state, it sure sounds like at least a hint of Marxism, no? ….
April 14th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Pfui. When someone says that a need for religion is driven by the failure of the state, someone is pandering to magical thinking for political purposes.
As was ever thus. It’s just that in modern politics, aside from fundy theocrats, magical thinking is a non-factor.
Modern politicians, aside from the Huckabee-Robertson-Mullah dingdongs, recognize that Divine Right won’t wash. In Western Democra