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	<title>Comments on: Lieberman: It&#8217;s &#8216;a good question&#8217; to ask if Obama is &#8216;a Marxist.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: dropdeadcharisma</title>
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		<dc:creator>dropdeadcharisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm...McZion is PART of the New World Order you idiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;McZion is PART of the New World Order you idiot!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5358074', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: charisma</title>
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		<dc:creator>charisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Barack Obama - The Marxist Mole&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Planning to Bring About Communism in America&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Angelina Lazar&lt;/strong&gt; commenting on AIM Report and Accuracy in Media Editorial.

This is HARD CORE READING for my Real Readers AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACTS for my American Voters. McCain MUST WIN as THAT is the BEST BET Americans and Canadians have of fighting the New World Order (right now), Communism, Fascism, a Military Dictatorship and Martial Law in an unfolding North American Union - God Almighty Forbid!

See: http://www.canadaka.net/forums/canadian-politics-f17/canadian-action-party-thread-t67936-540.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Barack Obama &#8211; The Marxist Mole</strong><br />
<em><strong>Planning to Bring About Communism in America</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>Angelina Lazar</strong> commenting on AIM Report and Accuracy in Media Editorial.</p>
<p>This is HARD CORE READING for my Real Readers AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FACTS for my American Voters. McCain MUST WIN as THAT is the BEST BET Americans and Canadians have of fighting the New World Order (right now), Communism, Fascism, a Military Dictatorship and Martial Law in an unfolding North American Union &#8211; God Almighty Forbid!</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.canadaka.net/forums/canadian-politics-f17/canadian-action-party-thread-t67936-540.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.canadaka.net/forums/canadian-politics-f17/canadian-action-party-thread-t67936-540.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5319288', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: charisma</title>
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		<dc:creator>charisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/angelinalazar

(reposted here as this was deleted off of Obama&#039;s official website within 10 minutes of my posting)

&lt;strong&gt;Angelina Lazar&#039;s Blog&lt;/strong&gt;

Sorry, Guys, hate to rain on your parade, but Obama is a GAY, SOCIALIST, MUSLIM KENYAN; a typical smooth-talking African SCAMMER, DRUG ADDICT, and just as EMPTY as he is SHREWD! Voila!

&lt;strong&gt;Angelina Lazar vs Barack Obama&lt;/strong&gt;
By Angelina Lazar - Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm EDT

&lt;em&gt;Ok, Guys,
Listen up &amp;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WAKE UP!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I need to post here as this is where people MOST need to get their heads screwed on straight!

Obama is CLUELESS about macroeconomic issues, what are you people thinking??
He IS a socialist, NOT a capitalist! - WAKE UP!
I thought you guys believed in &quot;the American dream&quot;! - You can KISS THAT GOOD-BYE!

You work your butt off, some of you 2 or 3 jobs,

and he believes in taking YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY,

and literally just GIVING IT ON A SILVER PLATTER to ILLEGAL ALIENS!
&lt;em&gt;
NEXT: &lt;/em&gt;

He is NOT a born American!

He would be FLASHING THAT in front of McCain&#039;s nose, scratching his very nostrils with it, if he HAD ONE! He doesn&#039;t, folks!

Which means: he is a SEETHING LIAR!
A TYPICAL AFRICAN SCAMMER!

Whom Arabs and Secret Society Members are PROTECTING!

He is MUSLIM, not Christian!

And America is Christian!

This is NOT the Middle East, where we KNOW Islam is the leading religion.

This is America, where Christianity is the leading religion! - WAKE UP! 

He&#039;s a HATER!
How could a TRUE, REBORN CHRISTIAN even ATTEND SUCH A CHURCH

and listen to SUCH PRO-MUSLIM, ANTI-AMERICAN, HATE RHETORIC!
And that, for 20 years! - WAKE UP, FOLKS!

... Especially, when HE IS IN POLITICS!
- It can ONLY BE because he AGREES WITH THE VERBIAGE!

Don&#039;t forget: it all ADDS UP WITH HIS Support of Ayers and Company!

&lt;em&gt;C&#039;mon, People!&lt;/em&gt;
You are all MESMERIZED, HYPNOTIZED, PROGRAMMED &amp; BRAIN-WASHED!
What do you even HEAR in this bogus fella&#039;?!
- NOTHING HE SAYS even resonates with me!
It&#039;s ALL EMPTY RHETORIC!

And MEANS NOTHING!
And MAKES NO SENSE!
He&#039;s AS BOGUS AS CAN BE!
AND NONE OF HIS ARGUMENTS HOLD WATER!!!

WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!

 Are you people SO SLEEPING OUT THERE?

 Then, the fact that he&#039;s GAY!

WHY didn&#039;t he just  MAKE THAT PART OF HIS PLATFORM

so you REALLY KNOW WHO HE IS?

- I mean: WHY HIDE IT, right?

When he&#039;s PRO-GAY; why not just introduce himself to the American people for the homosexual that he is! Then, let people VOTE - straight up! (Do excuse the pun...) 

And the fact that he&#039;s STILL TAKING DRUGS!
&lt;strong&gt;
What a LIAR!&lt;/strong&gt;
He didn&#039;t just experiment in college!

Check out Press Conference at National Press Club with Larry Sinclair.

&lt;em&gt;OPEN YOUR EYES!
AND EARS!
ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL CLOSET DEMS?!!&lt;/em&gt;

 
And what about the death of Donald Young - the gay choir boy from his church,

and Obama&#039;s &#039;lover&#039; ? 

WHY do you people REFUSE TO PEEL THE CAKED ON CRUST OFF OF YOUR EYES &amp; EARS?!!!

WHY are you SO AFRAID to SEE &amp; HEAR the TRUTH?!!

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WAKE UP, AMERICA!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

With a coming North American Union - God Almighty Forbid,

Canada is MOST CONCERNED &amp; SHOULD BE INVOLVED as YOUR VOTE AFFECTS US ALL!

Praying in Jesus&#039; Name that you people WAKE UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF BED EACH DAY UNTIL ELECTION DAYwith YOUR EYES, MINDS and EARS WIDE OPEN, and EXPERIENCE A REVELATION! 

&lt;em&gt;Most Charismatically &amp; Sincerely Yours! 

Angelina Lazar&lt;/em&gt;
Defender of Human Rights
A Proud Canadian
And A True Friend of America

GOD BLESS &amp; ENLIGHTEN!!! +

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<p>(reposted here as this was deleted off of Obama&#8217;s official website within 10 minutes of my posting)</p>
<p><strong>Angelina Lazar&#8217;s Blog</strong></p>
<p>Sorry, Guys, hate to rain on your parade, but Obama is a GAY, SOCIALIST, MUSLIM KENYAN; a typical smooth-talking African SCAMMER, DRUG ADDICT, and just as EMPTY as he is SHREWD! Voila!</p>
<p><strong>Angelina Lazar vs Barack Obama</strong><br />
By Angelina Lazar &#8211; Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm EDT</p>
<p><em>Ok, Guys,<br />
Listen up &amp;</em></p>
<p><em><strong>WAKE UP!</strong></em></p>
<p>I need to post here as this is where people MOST need to get their heads screwed on straight!</p>
<p>Obama is CLUELESS about macroeconomic issues, what are you people thinking??<br />
He IS a socialist, NOT a capitalist! &#8211; WAKE UP!<br />
I thought you guys believed in &#8220;the American dream&#8221;! &#8211; You can KISS THAT GOOD-BYE!</p>
<p>You work your butt off, some of you 2 or 3 jobs,</p>
<p>and he believes in taking YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY,</p>
<p>and literally just GIVING IT ON A SILVER PLATTER to ILLEGAL ALIENS!<br />
<em><br />
NEXT: </em></p>
<p>He is NOT a born American!</p>
<p>He would be FLASHING THAT in front of McCain&#8217;s nose, scratching his very nostrils with it, if he HAD ONE! He doesn&#8217;t, folks!</p>
<p>Which means: he is a SEETHING LIAR!<br />
A TYPICAL AFRICAN SCAMMER!</p>
<p>Whom Arabs and Secret Society Members are PROTECTING!</p>
<p>He is MUSLIM, not Christian!</p>
<p>And America is Christian!</p>
<p>This is NOT the Middle East, where we KNOW Islam is the leading religion.</p>
<p>This is America, where Christianity is the leading religion! &#8211; WAKE UP! </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a HATER!<br />
How could a TRUE, REBORN CHRISTIAN even ATTEND SUCH A CHURCH</p>
<p>and listen to SUCH PRO-MUSLIM, ANTI-AMERICAN, HATE RHETORIC!<br />
And that, for 20 years! &#8211; WAKE UP, FOLKS!</p>
<p>&#8230; Especially, when HE IS IN POLITICS!<br />
- It can ONLY BE because he AGREES WITH THE VERBIAGE!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget: it all ADDS UP WITH HIS Support of Ayers and Company!</p>
<p><em>C&#8217;mon, People!</em><br />
You are all MESMERIZED, HYPNOTIZED, PROGRAMMED &amp; BRAIN-WASHED!<br />
What do you even HEAR in this bogus fella&#8217;?!<br />
- NOTHING HE SAYS even resonates with me!<br />
It&#8217;s ALL EMPTY RHETORIC!</p>
<p>And MEANS NOTHING!<br />
And MAKES NO SENSE!<br />
He&#8217;s AS BOGUS AS CAN BE!<br />
AND NONE OF HIS ARGUMENTS HOLD WATER!!!</p>
<p>WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!</p>
<p> Are you people SO SLEEPING OUT THERE?</p>
<p> Then, the fact that he&#8217;s GAY!</p>
<p>WHY didn&#8217;t he just  MAKE THAT PART OF HIS PLATFORM</p>
<p>so you REALLY KNOW WHO HE IS?</p>
<p>- I mean: WHY HIDE IT, right?</p>
<p>When he&#8217;s PRO-GAY; why not just introduce himself to the American people for the homosexual that he is! Then, let people VOTE &#8211; straight up! (Do excuse the pun&#8230;) </p>
<p>And the fact that he&#8217;s STILL TAKING DRUGS!<br />
<strong><br />
What a LIAR!</strong><br />
He didn&#8217;t just experiment in college!</p>
<p>Check out Press Conference at National Press Club with Larry Sinclair.</p>
<p><em>OPEN YOUR EYES!<br />
AND EARS!<br />
ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL CLOSET DEMS?!!</em></p>
<p>And what about the death of Donald Young &#8211; the gay choir boy from his church,</p>
<p>and Obama&#8217;s &#8216;lover&#8217; ? </p>
<p>WHY do you people REFUSE TO PEEL THE CAKED ON CRUST OFF OF YOUR EYES &amp; EARS?!!!</p>
<p>WHY are you SO AFRAID to SEE &amp; HEAR the TRUTH?!!</p>
<p><em><strong>WAKE UP, AMERICA!</strong></em></p>
<p>With a coming North American Union &#8211; God Almighty Forbid,</p>
<p>Canada is MOST CONCERNED &amp; SHOULD BE INVOLVED as YOUR VOTE AFFECTS US ALL!</p>
<p>Praying in Jesus&#8217; Name that you people WAKE UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF BED EACH DAY UNTIL ELECTION DAYwith YOUR EYES, MINDS and EARS WIDE OPEN, and EXPERIENCE A REVELATION! </p>
<p><em>Most Charismatically &amp; Sincerely Yours! </p>
<p>Angelina Lazar</em><br />
Defender of Human Rights<br />
A Proud Canadian<br />
And A True Friend of America</p>
<p>GOD BLESS &amp; ENLIGHTEN!!! +</p>
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		<title>By: cowboyneok</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboyneok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lieberman needs to go back under his bridge.  What a troll tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman needs to go back under his bridge.  What a troll tool.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5310156', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nfdel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nfdel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey kcar27: 

&quot;Put your monkey-in-chief back on his leash and let the adults run the country.&quot;

Are you referring to G.W. Bush or Barack Heusein Obama as a &quot;monkey in chief&quot;?

By the way..McCarthey was right! Learn your history hippy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey kcar27: </p>
<p>&#8220;Put your monkey-in-chief back on his leash and let the adults run the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you referring to G.W. Bush or Barack Heusein Obama as a &#8220;monkey in chief&#8221;?</p>
<p>By the way..McCarthey was right! Learn your history hippy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5014510', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: desmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>desmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama IS a Marxist. So is Hillary. They are also classic Fascists. Look it up ! I hope someone else, such as the MSM starts calling Obama a Marxist. If the shoe fits-wear it. McCain and his cap and trade will have the same effect as Marxism. State contrrol of everything. Statism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama IS a Marxist. So is Hillary. They are also classic Fascists. Look it up ! I hope someone else, such as the MSM starts calling Obama a Marxist. If the shoe fits-wear it. McCain and his cap and trade will have the same effect as Marxism. State contrrol of everything. Statism.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5003434', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: americanscream</title>
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		<dc:creator>americanscream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That&#039;s a good question&quot;?

Isn&#039;t that &lt;strong&gt;exactly&lt;/strong&gt; the same thing McCain said when asked &quot;how do we beat the b!tch&quot;?  Does it border on paranoia to suspect these q&amp;a&#039;s are scripted in advance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s a good question&#8221;?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that <strong>exactly</strong> the same thing McCain said when asked &#8220;how do we beat the b!tch&#8221;?  Does it border on paranoia to suspect these q&amp;a&#8217;s are scripted in advance?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4915372', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, Obama has to get over at least one more life-story hurdle: his Muslim Marxist black as black father (who he basically never knew) impregnated white women on several different continents and left each of them (or something like that). Scary motherfckr, that BOSr.&quot;
  Iteration, the &quot;Papa was a rolling stone&quot; argument like the song will get a lot of airplay. The Marxist problem is more serious than I had realised, because what Obama said was paraphasing Marx&#039;s view on why people turn to religion, as Kristol pointed out. People disillusioned economically turn to religion, and while this may be true to some degree people don&#039;t want Marxist ideology explaining why they go to church. Especially since Marxism failed so badly itself.
  I agree that the left needs some kind of progressive candidate. Most democracies in the world seem to have no trouble finding good quality candidates and getting national health care, welfare gains, consumer protection, and minimum wage rises for their base. The US is the exception here which is why this Obama problem is so frustrating. If this blows up into another swiftboating it will humiliate Democrats for a long time. The Republicans will say Democrats know how to criticise from the back seat but as soon as they want to drive they produce all these flawed candidates. 
  Of course this was the problem with Marx himself, he had a lot of valid criticisms of capitalism, Brad DeLong is even quoting Marx on his blog to explain the current housing bubble. However Marx had nothing to substitute for capitalism that worked, which is why a presidential candidate talking to poor whites like a Marxist is so toxic. In the same way bloggers have made all these criticisms of Bush&#039;s policies but when it comes to offering an alternate vision they usually have no ideas. 
  I think one of the main problems Democrats have is that somehow winning the cold war is supposed to have discredited socialism itself, but socialism in the mixed economy works well on other democratic countries like Europe. I think to some degree Obama was trying to point this out, that socialist subsidies of poor whites (and whoever) can help depressed areas like PA more than laissez faire capitalism will. That&#039;s a good point and it is well proven to help in Europe for example where PA would be showered in money like Ireland was, and most of these people are probably originally Irish. Because of this Ireland is doing very well now. 
  So people like in PA have been turned against economic aid that has helped people like them elsewhere. Some people say that&#039;s what Obama meant but what he actually said was Marxist reasoning on religion and his father was a radical Marxist. 
  Calling Lieberman and Kristol names is satisfying but it doesn&#039;t solve the problem because they are just the messengers, and there are plenty to replace them with the same message. 
  Democrats should be calling for a kind of Marshall plan for these depressed areas, to shower them with money for retraining, public works and try and build new industries. That will get their votes and win the election. But Democrats have the limousine liberal disease now, and really don&#039;t want to help the poor any more, because white Democrats don&#039;t want to pay higher taxes to do so. 
  I think Obama supporters need to look very clearly at what is happening now, and whether Obama has much chance of surviving this swiftboating. I know they want a progressive candidate, but having one that is doomed is not going to help progressive issues. People can have nay sayer like arguments against that, or resort to slandering Lieberman and others, but this is a serious problem here. Obama should have been happy with VP where he could make all these inspiring speeches and since the VP has no real power he would be shielded from swiftboating. Then if he did well he could run for president later with experience to prove he can do the job. I know progressives don&#039;t like that because they want &quot;teh change&quot; and want it now, but one has to be practical about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, Obama has to get over at least one more life-story hurdle: his Muslim Marxist black as black father (who he basically never knew) impregnated white women on several different continents and left each of them (or something like that). Scary motherfckr, that BOSr.&#8221;<br />
  Iteration, the &#8220;Papa was a rolling stone&#8221; argument like the song will get a lot of airplay. The Marxist problem is more serious than I had realised, because what Obama said was paraphasing Marx&#8217;s view on why people turn to religion, as Kristol pointed out. People disillusioned economically turn to religion, and while this may be true to some degree people don&#8217;t want Marxist ideology explaining why they go to church. Especially since Marxism failed so badly itself.<br />
  I agree that the left needs some kind of progressive candidate. Most democracies in the world seem to have no trouble finding good quality candidates and getting national health care, welfare gains, consumer protection, and minimum wage rises for their base. The US is the exception here which is why this Obama problem is so frustrating. If this blows up into another swiftboating it will humiliate Democrats for a long time. The Republicans will say Democrats know how to criticise from the back seat but as soon as they want to drive they produce all these flawed candidates.<br />
  Of course this was the problem with Marx himself, he had a lot of valid criticisms of capitalism, Brad DeLong is even quoting Marx on his blog to explain the current housing bubble. However Marx had nothing to substitute for capitalism that worked, which is why a presidential candidate talking to poor whites like a Marxist is so toxic. In the same way bloggers have made all these criticisms of Bush&#8217;s policies but when it comes to offering an alternate vision they usually have no ideas.<br />
  I think one of the main problems Democrats have is that somehow winning the cold war is supposed to have discredited socialism itself, but socialism in the mixed economy works well on other democratic countries like Europe. I think to some degree Obama was trying to point this out, that socialist subsidies of poor whites (and whoever) can help depressed areas like PA more than laissez faire capitalism will. That&#8217;s a good point and it is well proven to help in Europe for example where PA would be showered in money like Ireland was, and most of these people are probably originally Irish. Because of this Ireland is doing very well now.<br />
  So people like in PA have been turned against economic aid that has helped people like them elsewhere. Some people say that&#8217;s what Obama meant but what he actually said was Marxist reasoning on religion and his father was a radical Marxist.<br />
  Calling Lieberman and Kristol names is satisfying but it doesn&#8217;t solve the problem because they are just the messengers, and there are plenty to replace them with the same message.<br />
  Democrats should be calling for a kind of Marshall plan for these depressed areas, to shower them with money for retraining, public works and try and build new industries. That will get their votes and win the election. But Democrats have the limousine liberal disease now, and really don&#8217;t want to help the poor any more, because white Democrats don&#8217;t want to pay higher taxes to do so.<br />
  I think Obama supporters need to look very clearly at what is happening now, and whether Obama has much chance of surviving this swiftboating. I know they want a progressive candidate, but having one that is doomed is not going to help progressive issues. People can have nay sayer like arguments against that, or resort to slandering Lieberman and others, but this is a serious problem here. Obama should have been happy with VP where he could make all these inspiring speeches and since the VP has no real power he would be shielded from swiftboating. Then if he did well he could run for president later with experience to prove he can do the job. I know progressives don&#8217;t like that because they want &#8220;teh change&#8221; and want it now, but one has to be practical about it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4913594', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MOONBAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MOONBAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the false flag attack occurs just before the elections this fall Lieberman will be in his glory. The was I think it will happen will be from the US warships off of Iran firing conventional warhead missles into Israel, probably into unpopulated areas. The Israelis wil retaliate and turn Teheran into a glass parking lot and any nuclear mfg. sites they know about. It wont be pretty and the Bush admin. will just sit back and smirk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the false flag attack occurs just before the elections this fall Lieberman will be in his glory. The was I think it will happen will be from the US warships off of Iran firing conventional warhead missles into Israel, probably into unpopulated areas. The Israelis wil retaliate and turn Teheran into a glass parking lot and any nuclear mfg. sites they know about. It wont be pretty and the Bush admin. will just sit back and smirk.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4913370', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: lthuedk</title>
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		<dc:creator>lthuedk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three heads and one flavor.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/soda_jerk.html

Clinton, McCain, and Lieberman all want what the Likud and it&#039;s Marxist socialist ideologues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three heads and one flavor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.light-to-dark.com/soda_jerk.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.light-to-dark.com/soda_jerk.html</a></p>
<p>Clinton, McCain, and Lieberman all want what the Likud and it&#8217;s Marxist socialist ideologues.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4913236', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kcar27</title>
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		<dc:creator>kcar27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s right Joe. Barack Obama is a Marxist. Thank God we have you to sniff out that treacherous Red in our midst. He would have let the Soviets walk right in...

Are the GOP and its fellow travelers like Lieberman so desperate that they have to drag us back to the days of Reagan and even McCarthy? This is pathetic. What a horrible failure of a political party. Put your monkey-in-chief back on his leash and let the adults run the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s right Joe. Barack Obama is a Marxist. Thank God we have you to sniff out that treacherous Red in our midst. He would have let the Soviets walk right in&#8230;</p>
<p>Are the GOP and its fellow travelers like Lieberman so desperate that they have to drag us back to the days of Reagan and even McCarthy? This is pathetic. What a horrible failure of a political party. Put your monkey-in-chief back on his leash and let the adults run the country.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4912070', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: christopher wiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopher wiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Joe Lieberman is a puppet for the reich wing who will do and say anything to get into old man Johnny`s cabinet to give more $$$$$ to Israel.I think it is time to cut Israel loose and let them fend for themselves. We all know Kristol is a neocon tool, he was weened on neoconsevatism from his father and his fahther was suck titting Leo Stauss.Kristol is an instigator and a neocon mouth piece,he has had the ear of Dubya for the last eight years and it will continue with old man Johnny.These disgusting neocons will say and do anything to get abd keep the White House and Hillary is helping with her attacks on Obama with this Gaffe of his.Our MSM is also not helping because they are running this into the ground just like the rev. Wright story. Phuck old man Johnny and leiberman and Kristol and the rest of these Neocons and their neocon Dogma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Joe Lieberman is a puppet for the reich wing who will do and say anything to get into old man Johnny`s cabinet to give more $$$$$ to Israel.I think it is time to cut Israel loose and let them fend for themselves. We all know Kristol is a neocon tool, he was weened on neoconsevatism from his father and his fahther was suck titting Leo Stauss.Kristol is an instigator and a neocon mouth piece,he has had the ear of Dubya for the last eight years and it will continue with old man Johnny.These disgusting neocons will say and do anything to get abd keep the White House and Hillary is helping with her attacks on Obama with this Gaffe of his.Our MSM is also not helping because they are running this into the ground just like the rev. Wright story. Phuck old man Johnny and leiberman and Kristol and the rest of these Neocons and their neocon Dogma.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911342', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: spd</title>
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		<dc:creator>spd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note the coincidence of policy between AIPAC, the Neocons, Lieberman, Bill Kristol, and Senator Hillary Clinton. Clinton and Lieberman are quick to agree with AIPAC on the necessity to invade Iran. They are all puppets of AIPAC and not independent thinking representatives of their constituents. They can not be counted on to speak the truth but they will speak policy dictated by AIPAC, hence the comments of Lieberman on Obama.
Recently, Senator Hillary Clinton addressed an AIPAC gathering in New York City where she was not shy about threatening Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU

The Neocon movement is basically a Jewish founded group based on Leo Strauss political philosophy out of university of Chicago. http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html
AIPAC was instrumental in leading the US into war with IRAQ, and they have now set their sights on IRAN.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-arthur-waskow/aipac-iran-presidenti_b_43814.html

It seems unfair to me that a small minority of the US population should dictate such a large proportion of US military spending toward their own ends. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
It seems AIPAC can take much of the credit for spending the US into a deep hole with total disregard for the consequences of said spending on the US economy. 

I wish Israel would foot the bill for their defense themselves.
I wish there were more dialog on this topic to get the truth circulating about our motives for war.
This situation has potential for huge backlash against the Jewish population.
As our economy tanks, the foreclosure rates rise and people get wind of multi trillion in military spending to protect Israel as they are put out of their own homes, history could start to repeat itself.
I do not wish for that, I wish for dialog to diffuse a potentially explosiveness of situation.
I wish to caution the Jewish community from pursuing a reckless and potentially self destructive course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note the coincidence of policy between AIPAC, the Neocons, Lieberman, Bill Kristol, and Senator Hillary Clinton. Clinton and Lieberman are quick to agree with AIPAC on the necessity to invade Iran. They are all puppets of AIPAC and not independent thinking representatives of their constituents. They can not be counted on to speak the truth but they will speak policy dictated by AIPAC, hence the comments of Lieberman on Obama.<br />
Recently, Senator Hillary Clinton addressed an AIPAC gathering in New York City where she was not shy about threatening Iran.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU</a></p>
<p>The Neocon movement is basically a Jewish founded group based on Leo Strauss political philosophy out of university of Chicago. <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html</a><br />
AIPAC was instrumental in leading the US into war with IRAQ, and they have now set their sights on IRAN.<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-arthur-waskow/aipac-iran-presidenti_b_43814.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-arthur-waskow/aipac-iran-presidenti_b_43814.html</a></p>
<p>It seems unfair to me that a small minority of the US population should dictate such a large proportion of US military spending toward their own ends. <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html</a><br />
It seems AIPAC can take much of the credit for spending the US into a deep hole with total disregard for the consequences of said spending on the US economy. </p>
<p>I wish Israel would foot the bill for their defense themselves.<br />
I wish there were more dialog on this topic to get the truth circulating about our motives for war.<br />
This situation has potential for huge backlash against the Jewish population.<br />
As our economy tanks, the foreclosure rates rise and people get wind of multi trillion in military spending to protect Israel as they are put out of their own homes, history could start to repeat itself.<br />
I do not wish for that, I wish for dialog to diffuse a potentially explosiveness of situation.<br />
I wish to caution the Jewish community from pursuing a reckless and potentially self destructive course of action.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911088', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Druthers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Druthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone asked if Lieberman is a nitwit?  No doubt about the answer and an underhanded nitwit who successfully conned Conn. and now wants to play quit or double.
This oily man is like a piece of very old cheese, he will stay around until someone finally decides to throw him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone asked if Lieberman is a nitwit?  No doubt about the answer and an underhanded nitwit who successfully conned Conn. and now wants to play quit or double.<br />
This oily man is like a piece of very old cheese, he will stay around until someone finally decides to throw him out.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911078', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cabeza de Vaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cabeza de Vaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who better to make those comments than two traitors to our country.  Both of whom ALWAYS place the interest of Israel before those of America.  LIEberman has never seen a BILLION dollars he didn&#039;t want to send to Israel while neither of them have never seen any more conflict than a paper-cut while they do not hesitate to send our troops into conflict.

They both make me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who better to make those comments than two traitors to our country.  Both of whom ALWAYS place the interest of Israel before those of America.  LIEberman has never seen a BILLION dollars he didn&#8217;t want to send to Israel while neither of them have never seen any more conflict than a paper-cut while they do not hesitate to send our troops into conflict.</p>
<p>They both make me sick.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911074', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Iteration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iteration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RCH,
In some ways, hasn&#039;t the entire existence of the Obama campaign been built on the premise: this guy has an unconventional (and what would have historically been damning) background, but his stunning rhetoric, record of sound judgment, and desire to &quot;transcend&quot; typical stale political paradigms are so obvious that REJOICE! he can still win in the heartland? In some ways the whole thing relies on his dialectical, nuanced manner of participating in the national political discourse. Of course you could say that any campaign, local or national, that relies on nuanced arguments is doomed. But a lot of us really believe that this one could be the exception. And that possibility- of defeating the Republicans and their dastardly politics once and for all with a candidate who is in many ways the perfect target for exploiting irrational American prejudices- is what has made this presidential campaign so thrilling to so many of us. 
The reasons this campaign can be different? For one, just by virtue of being the furthest ahead in the course of history, we are in some ways as a society more progressive than we ever have been. Yes, I understand that it might seem otherwise in less urban (and, in some cases, even urban) corners of the country. But, really, even people in Peoria, or in Greensville, or Scranton, have the internet (for example). They are less prejudiced than the last generation. And, of course, most importantly, they know about the current President and will vote with there pocketbook. People are really coming to understand that the neocons aren&#039;t too far from Fascists (not withstanding the Nazi&#039;s economic competence), or at least they understand that this is a more reasonable thing to assert than that Obama is a Marxist (he lectured at the University of Chicago for over a decade, for goodness sakes). 
And by the way, I think Lieberman is a scary and treacherous  politician as much as the next guy, but I don&#039;t think he was responding to &quot;is obama a marxist&quot; when he said &quot;it&#039;s a good question&quot;. I think that was about the elitist remarks of Clinton. Let&#039;s not attack the man for inciting the marxist claim: the Times and FoxNews are responsible for that.
Yes, Obama has to get over at least one more life-story hurdle: his Muslim Marxist black as black father (who he basically never knew) impregnated white women on several different continents and left each of them (or something like that). Scary motherfckr, that BOSr. I&#039;m sure Jr. will handle the moment those attacks come gracefully, and with nuanced explanation. What he needs to do more now (as, I think, the entire left needs to do) is emphasize how much he really does love this country, and her culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCH,<br />
In some ways, hasn&#8217;t the entire existence of the Obama campaign been built on the premise: this guy has an unconventional (and what would have historically been damning) background, but his stunning rhetoric, record of sound judgment, and desire to &#8220;transcend&#8221; typical stale political paradigms are so obvious that REJOICE! he can still win in the heartland? In some ways the whole thing relies on his dialectical, nuanced manner of participating in the national political discourse. Of course you could say that any campaign, local or national, that relies on nuanced arguments is doomed. But a lot of us really believe that this one could be the exception. And that possibility- of defeating the Republicans and their dastardly politics once and for all with a candidate who is in many ways the perfect target for exploiting irrational American prejudices- is what has made this presidential campaign so thrilling to so many of us.<br />
The reasons this campaign can be different? For one, just by virtue of being the furthest ahead in the course of history, we are in some ways as a society more progressive than we ever have been. Yes, I understand that it might seem otherwise in less urban (and, in some cases, even urban) corners of the country. But, really, even people in Peoria, or in Greensville, or Scranton, have the internet (for example). They are less prejudiced than the last generation. And, of course, most importantly, they know about the current President and will vote with there pocketbook. People are really coming to understand that the neocons aren&#8217;t too far from Fascists (not withstanding the Nazi&#8217;s economic competence), or at least they understand that this is a more reasonable thing to assert than that Obama is a Marxist (he lectured at the University of Chicago for over a decade, for goodness sakes).<br />
And by the way, I think Lieberman is a scary and treacherous  politician as much as the next guy, but I don&#8217;t think he was responding to &#8220;is obama a marxist&#8221; when he said &#8220;it&#8217;s a good question&#8221;. I think that was about the elitist remarks of Clinton. Let&#8217;s not attack the man for inciting the marxist claim: the Times and FoxNews are responsible for that.<br />
Yes, Obama has to get over at least one more life-story hurdle: his Muslim Marxist black as black father (who he basically never knew) impregnated white women on several different continents and left each of them (or something like that). Scary motherfckr, that BOSr. I&#8217;m sure Jr. will handle the moment those attacks come gracefully, and with nuanced explanation. What he needs to do more now (as, I think, the entire left needs to do) is emphasize how much he really does love this country, and her culture.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911058', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: richcpl</title>
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		<dc:creator>richcpl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh when will the good people of Connecticut recall this idiot?</description>
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		<title>By: timothyt0102</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothyt0102</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Liberman disappoints me really. His views on Iraq has totally clouded his professionalism, and I think it has also impaired his judgment. To implicitly accuse Obama of being a communist, and an elitist, when Obama is  far from it are all low blows, unbecoming of a senator.

So yeah, if the Democrats do win a larger majority and manages to break the 60 seat majority in the Senate and the equivalent percentage in the House, Liberman will be gone, and he will have to turn into a GOP guy, whom he really is these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Liberman disappoints me really. His views on Iraq has totally clouded his professionalism, and I think it has also impaired his judgment. To implicitly accuse Obama of being a communist, and an elitist, when Obama is  far from it are all low blows, unbecoming of a senator.</p>
<p>So yeah, if the Democrats do win a larger majority and manages to break the 60 seat majority in the Senate and the equivalent percentage in the House, Liberman will be gone, and he will have to turn into a GOP guy, whom he really is these days.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911046', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;RCH,
You are saying he got Marist influence from his father when his parents separated in Honolulu at the age of two!

His wife said she was not “really patriotic”
before. That is a far cry from the lie you give that she said she hated America.&quot;

Keith you are missing my point. Gore spent most of the election trying to convince people he wasn&#039;t a wimp for wearing earth tones and a flip flopper for changing suit colors. He was instrumental in developing the internet but all it got him was mockery. I happen to think Gore would have done a far better job than Bush did. I even think Kerry would have done a far better job, not compared to all Republicans but better than Bush.

Gore&#039;s supporters talked just like you at the time, and couldn&#039;t understand why he lost. Perceptions are everything, facts are unimportant. Having a Marxist father looks bad which is enough. They will take comments he made about looking up to his father in other ways and ask why he didn&#039;t look up to Marxism as well. Your reply doesn&#039;t address smearing and swiftboating. Like most Democrats your plan seems to be hope swiftboating won&#039;t happen then look like a deer in the headlights when it does. Democrats will never be on top until they develop comprehensive plans to beat swiftboating.

Bill Clinton did it so it can be done. I&#039;m not sure just how he did which is why I&#039;m asking people. If you look at all the blogs over the last 6 months I don&#039;t think you will find one serious discussion as to how Obama will overcome swiftboating. Yet the odds are overwhelming he will lose to it unless he has the audacity of a plan not just the audacity of hope. 

McCain lost to Bush in the primaries from rumours of having a black baby. The baby was adopted but the smear was impossible to fight against. It&#039;s possible McCain may be too decent to use the same tactics, but I wouldn&#039;t bet on it if he starts losing, besides most swiftboating is independantly funded. 

Bittergate was the second swiftboat attack, his pastor was the first. In both cases he folded like a cheap tent. People are very disturbed by his refusal to wear a flag pin. They won&#039;t like the explanation of hardly knowing his father because most voters want a candidate who has a strong familly background, so Obama has to point that out to distance himself from his bad father, like his bad mass murdering cousin and his bad Muslim half sister. So maybe they will ask does the apple fall so far from the tree? Bill Clinton had to overcome a similar stigma with his family so it can be done, but how?

I think they will call him the Manchurian Candidate, or perhaps the Kenyan Candidate. He looks ok but is he a secret Marxist, along with his cousin the dictator and his sister will be made to look like a terrorist. 

I really find it hard to believe this is a serious candidate for president. Hillary might not be that great but at least she can demonstrate they survived swiftboating. She&#039;ll probably be impeached as well, they&#039;ll find something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;RCH,<br />
You are saying he got Marist influence from his father when his parents separated in Honolulu at the age of two!</p>
<p>His wife said she was not “really patriotic”<br />
before. That is a far cry from the lie you give that she said she hated America.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keith you are missing my point. Gore spent most of the election trying to convince people he wasn&#8217;t a wimp for wearing earth tones and a flip flopper for changing suit colors. He was instrumental in developing the internet but all it got him was mockery. I happen to think Gore would have done a far better job than Bush did. I even think Kerry would have done a far better job, not compared to all Republicans but better than Bush.</p>
<p>Gore&#8217;s supporters talked just like you at the time, and couldn&#8217;t understand why he lost. Perceptions are everything, facts are unimportant. Having a Marxist father looks bad which is enough. They will take comments he made about looking up to his father in other ways and ask why he didn&#8217;t look up to Marxism as well. Your reply doesn&#8217;t address smearing and swiftboating. Like most Democrats your plan seems to be hope swiftboating won&#8217;t happen then look like a deer in the headlights when it does. Democrats will never be on top until they develop comprehensive plans to beat swiftboating.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton did it so it can be done. I&#8217;m not sure just how he did which is why I&#8217;m asking people. If you look at all the blogs over the last 6 months I don&#8217;t think you will find one serious discussion as to how Obama will overcome swiftboating. Yet the odds are overwhelming he will lose to it unless he has the audacity of a plan not just the audacity of hope. </p>
<p>McCain lost to Bush in the primaries from rumours of having a black baby. The baby was adopted but the smear was impossible to fight against. It&#8217;s possible McCain may be too decent to use the same tactics, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it if he starts losing, besides most swiftboating is independantly funded. </p>
<p>Bittergate was the second swiftboat attack, his pastor was the first. In both cases he folded like a cheap tent. People are very disturbed by his refusal to wear a flag pin. They won&#8217;t like the explanation of hardly knowing his father because most voters want a candidate who has a strong familly background, so Obama has to point that out to distance himself from his bad father, like his bad mass murdering cousin and his bad Muslim half sister. So maybe they will ask does the apple fall so far from the tree? Bill Clinton had to overcome a similar stigma with his family so it can be done, but how?</p>
<p>I think they will call him the Manchurian Candidate, or perhaps the Kenyan Candidate. He looks ok but is he a secret Marxist, along with his cousin the dictator and his sister will be made to look like a terrorist. </p>
<p>I really find it hard to believe this is a serious candidate for president. Hillary might not be that great but at least she can demonstrate they survived swiftboating. She&#8217;ll probably be impeached as well, they&#8217;ll find something.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911028', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: zuch</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Have you no sense of decency, Joe, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Have you no sense of decency, Joe, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4911026', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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