That’s hardly a justification for making an immoral act legal.

All one would have to do to apply the same standard of permissibility to any other immoral samsung p10 battery,samsung p20 battery act is to concoct a hypothetical in which the immoral act could be employed for a noble aim.

This is like his 100 years in Iraq thing.

However, we can transfer a prisoner to the “care” of a foreign country which has no qualms about torture ????

Absolutely right. We are protected from cruel and unusual punishments, which is a synonym for torture, by the 8th amendment to the US Constitution.

Just like the 4th amendment protects us from unreasonable searches.

With the Bill of Rights and a government built around checks and balances, what could possibly go wrong?

Oh, wait…silly me, I remember now. That’s right — they classified Padilla as an “enemy combatant” which meant that they no longer considered him to be an American citizen and therefore did not have to honor his constitutional rights. I’ve always considered that to be a remarkably convenient and self-serving justification on their part. Perhaps that’s what McCain really means, hmmmm? “We cannot torture Americans” — we’ll simply strip them of their constitutional rights and have them classified as “enemy combatants”, and then it will be perfectly all right to torture them. After all, strictly speaking, we won’t be lying when we say that we don’t torture Americans because these people technically won’t be Americans any more once we’ve decided that they’re “enemy combatants”…right?

He is far more dangerous than Bush. That this mole hid in our democracy for so many years only to express absolute unAmericanism should disturb even many true Conservatives. Its amazing that someone with an apparent Republican background would now serve Marxist-Straussian Neo Con masters.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/McBush.html

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1729891,00.html

I have no doubt that as president, McCain would interpret his own legislation as it was intended. It’s the Bush admin. that has perverted the meaning of anti-torture legislation.

John Sydney McCain III said:And we cannot ever, in my view, torture any American, that includes waterboarding.

Campaign promises are soon forgotten.

right, and thank god we have the wonderful phenomena of jury nullifaction to keep the dashing lawbreaker from jail. i get sick of people acting like making something illlegal means that if you do it, you automatically explode or get aids or something. if someone really saved the world by torturing someone, A) no prosector would prosecute, and even if they did, B) no jury of 12 people would unanimously vote to find them guilty, and in the near improbable likelyhood they could find 12 people to vote guilty, C) no president would miss a chance to pardon anyone who may have commited such noble legal violations.

ticking timebomb scenarious are red herrings that try to lead us down a path that common sense never would.

theres one reason why people in power want torture to be legal.. so they can order it anytime they want, or allow others to do it at thier discretion, and not face criminal conspiracy charges from some later administration with more morals. a guy who saves the world with his torturing has nothing to fear from a jury…. but a man who tortures the children of a taxicab driver who just happened to give the wrong person a ride has MUCH to fear from an idential jury.

April 14th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Yes , we do

You and the rest of the GOP/Chimpy leg humping d-bags say stupid things on top of repeating White House lies and rhetoric……..

McWars Says:
A shitstain who has backed the worst and most imbecilic president in US history these last 7 years , is laughably attempting to call the 2 Dem candidates running for president “idiotic” ; this after the wrinkled old moron who this dope supports now and is supposedly a “foreign diplomacy expert” as well as a “national security expert” , erroneously states our supposed No #1 threat’s ethnic background………….

Give McCain a break Mr. Wars.

He made his verbal gaffs under stress while taking sniper fire from bitter, angry, typical white people clinging to their guns and religion.

April 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Really ?

Al 7 times he said it he was under that type of duress , skid mark ?

Try smiling next time.

I fly all the time and don’t see the BS you are trying sell.
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In that case, you’re probably white. White people tend to take for granted that they can drive around town and not get pulled over, unless they are flagrantly breaking some law. That they can shop without being followed around the store by the store detective. That they can eat a meal in a restaurant without being ignored by their waiter. And that they can fly without being treated like a terrorist.

Because we white people have lived with these perks our whole lives, we don’t see racism from where we stand — as typified by your remark “I fly all the time and don’t see the BS you are trying to sell.”

However, non-whites have always had to put up with this, and middle-easterners and south asians have had it racheted up several notches since 9/11. And to pile insult onto injury, if they complain about it, white people will just tell them that A) it’s not a racial thing, B) they should “try smiling”, or C) it’s all just their imagination.

Because you are a rather narrow-minded soul whose only purpose for being here is to derail threads and drop troll turds, I don’t expect you to try to see anything from another point of view.

Yes, for the record, I’m on the terror watch list and it has nothing to do with my not smiling. Again, you are making assumptions based on how I appear. I do not wear a head scarf, but my name identifies me as a Muslim. I get flagged for security even before I show up at the airport and before they look at me or any facial expression I might have. And I fly quite frequently too, at least once a month.

Why don’t you get lost and go post on a Fox News forum or something?

Racist sexist mo*therF*ing pig.

Doesn’t McCain realize that by torturing non-Americans, he’s pretty much allowed other countries to torture Americans? Has he no shame?
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I’m not sure it’s a case of no shame, ToonGuy.

More likely a lack of healthy, functioning neurons and synapses.

ThinkOutsideTheBush Says:
(Can having some butchy looking woman squeezing your boobs and molesting you to find those hidden explosives that weren’t picked up by the 5 metal detectors be construed as a form of torture?)

Post your picture and I’ll tell you if the butchy looking woman squeezing your boobs was tortured or not.
April 14th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

That is offensive to me on so many levels, and shows what kind of racist and sexist you are. I don’t know what I ever did to you, but if you think this type of attitude is Christian, you are certainly not one.