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Limbaugh: ‘Islamofascists’ are campaigning for Democrats.

Media Matters notes that yesterday, right wing radio talker Rush Limbaugh claimed that “liberalism is the greatest threat this country faces, not Islamofascism.” Limbaugh added that the “Islamofascists” are “campaigning” for Democrats this cycle:

[I]f the liberals dominate and win, and are in power for four, eight years or more, they don’t take Islamofascism as a threat. And we know this because the Islamofascists are actually campaigning for the election of Democrats. Islamofascists from Ahmadinejad to al-Zawahiri, Oba — Osama bin Laden, whoever, are constantly issuing Democrat talking points.

Limbaugh’s rhetoric mirrors the conservative strategy around the 2006 elections. At the time, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), Dick Cheney, and the White House all suggested al Qaeda was hoping for a Democratic Congress.

Update Echoing Limbaugh, on the conservative Hugh Hewitt radio show yesterday, the American Enterprise Institute's Michael Rubin said Iran "will do what they can to hurt John McCain ahead of the election."


152 Responses to “Limbaugh: ‘Islamofascists’ are campaigning for Democrats.”

  1. Cal Malenky says:

    Once again the pilonidal cyst speaks.


  2. TheToonGuy says:

    Rush’s butt must be sore from pulling so many “facts” out of it.


  3. goose1 says:

    Bush has done everything OBL wanted him to do. Pull troops from SA, Invade Iraq, Bankrupt the Country! McCain is the same. If they want anyone it would be McCain!


  4. Nevar says:

    Rush just likes the term “islamofascist” because even if he’s doped up and slurring his words, it’s easy to say…


  5. LANGX I says:

    And they support America’s version of Hitler.

    Bite me.


  6. RUCerious says:

    So’k, XianoFascists are not only campaigning for Repellentcans, they ARE Repellentcan incumbents.


  7. hgs3 says:

    Well the Democrats can sure use the help. The liberal press certainly isn’t helping us with our efforts to get our message out.


  8. Buckie Boy says:

    I’ve got nothing to say until TP brings back the abuse link, the trolls have destroyed this site.


  9. RUCerious says:

    Nevar, doesn’t he pronounce it something like

    Ishlemowfashshshishshsts.


  10. WaltinTexas says:

    Yeah, right. All of BushCo’s actions have done nothing but help enable the terrorists, but they’re rooting for Democrats??? Problem is, there are reich-wing lemmings out there that actually believe these lies and propaganda.


  11. RUCerious says:

    Er, Buckster, the abuse link was restored, per your command, hours ago…Is your alarm still ringing?


  12. Buckie Boy says:

    RUC – I just noticed that !!!! Wow, no more spammers…Thanks TP


  13. RUCerious says:

    Dr. HuzzMatt:
    to deflect attention away from XianoFascism, which exerts a powerful influence on the weak minded.


  14. wldj says:

    What a worthless human being Limbaugh truly is. My father spent 2 torture filled years in a North Korean prison camp so this piece of crap can accuse the majority of this country traitors. It’s called sacraficing for your country something neither Limbaugh nor our current President bothered to do, Good Freaking Grief that SOB went AWOL!, could be bothered to do in a time of war. How pathetic.


  15. RUCerious says:

    Welcome Buckie. I have whacked several noisy, smelly trolls already. If it feels good, do it!


  16. gummitch says:

    Buckie Boy Says:

    RUC – I just noticed that !!!! Wow, no more spammers…Thanks TP

    I just thought you were stuck. Or maybe needed to refresh your browser. It’s been fixed for hours.


  17. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Of course the Democrats won’t consider the “Islamofascists” to be a threat since there is no such thing. The word is meaningless. Limbaugh, O’Lieley and their ilk are starting to sound hysterical. And it’s all because they see their world crumbling down around their ears.


  18. ralph the wonder llama says:

    More right-wing projection.

    If there even were such a thing as “Islamofascists” they would surely prefer a leadership that went after terrorists as a matter of law enforcement, and that tried to undermine their safe havens through diplomacy and education, wouldn’t they?

    That’s much better than a regime that bombs civilians in an indiscriminate “War on Terra™” thus providing teeming hordes of potential recruits, willing to die to exact some form of revenge.


  19. dim wit says:

    Its unfortunate the Democrats aren’t smart enough to take this to the people. How simple would it be to show the American people that the NeoCons would rather fight thier own countrymen than foreign terrorists?

    I wonder where VA Voter is…..


  20. tom says:

    Limpballs is a worthless pile of steaming crapola. I listened to him a bit on a long drive today just so I could laugh, swear and be amazed by his spin on things.

    Luckily, The Gasbag Behind the Leaden Microphone at the Irrelevance in Broadcasting Institute is one of the few remaining smoke-screens that the Republicans have left (along with Hannity, Levine, Beck, et. al.). These rant-jockeys can’t possibly keep even the 28-percent dead-enders in the dark much longer.


  21. Winski says:

    If true, at least they have an IQ higher than a grapefruit…WHAT A HACK!


  22. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Should we call Southern Idiot a pot or a kettle?

    I think, technically, SM is the pot. Buckie is the kettle in this situation.


  23. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    Limbaugh is absolutely correct. Why just last night in my little Ohio town, the Minister of Islamic Department Stores of the Republic of Iran gave a glowing endorsement speech for our Democratic candidate for County Commissioner. He made it very clear that the platform promoting the oppression of gay rights, corporate bail outs, merging of religious dogma and legal restraint of personal liberties, torture, and the mandatory purchase of little flag lapel pins by every American citizen was perfectly in keeping with the IslamoFascist agenda. He urged us all to vote the IslamoDemocratFascist Party or else.

    /snark off


  24. Fred says:

    jdc Says:
    Wouldn’t it be nice if real life came with a progressive flag button.

    November will serve as our flag button. Conservative revolution has augered in and is in flames. Back to the minority for 40 more years.

    flagged.


  25. scytherius says:

    Aside from the fact that “Islamofascist” is a complete misuse of the term fascist (but knuckledraggers don’t know that), Limbaugh is one of the great traitors of our time. But what I DO love is that the more they pull this idiocy, the more the Independents want nothing to do with republicans. PLEASE keep talking Pills Limbaugh!


  26. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    jdc Says:
    You guys are over the top imposing the Fairness Doctrine today.

    Why don’t you go over to redstate.com and post something that has a liberal ring to it and see how long you would last there. You are still allowed to post here. The ones who are getting the boot are the trolls that are here for one reason only and that’s to fling feces all over the place. There is nothing in the First amendment or the fairness doctrine that says we have to tolerate that any more than we would tolerate someone yelling fire in the middle of a crowded building.


  27. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Why do right-wingers think that the “Fairness Doctrine” means that lies are protected speech?


  28. KingCranky says:

    Limbaugh’s rhetoric mirrors the conservative strategy around the 2006 elections.

    Smart move Rush, we all remember how well the GOP did in the 2006 elections.

    Then again, when ol’ Rush can be so spectacularly incompetent with his supposed keen grasp of politics at the national level, Limbaugh’s use of a discredited political strategy isn’t that surprising


  29. Uncle Ho says:

    Earlier on a couple of threads I posted a reference to the story of Ronn Cantu getting a promotion from E-5 to E-6, despite his antiwar activities.

    Anyone want to have a pool on when Rush Limpdick will denounce Cantu as a phoney soldier?


  30. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Woo..hoo..they gave JDC the boot. Now, let’s concentrate on S&M. I don’t know about you but I am royally sick of its ramblings and incoherent statements.


  31. RUCerious says:

    Er, DixieDude, do you have anything to say that’s on topic today, or just here to fling insults?


  32. Keltoi says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    If there even were such a thing as “Islamofascists” they would surely prefer a leadership that went after terrorists as a matter of law enforcement, and that tried to undermine their safe havens through diplomacy and education, wouldn’t they?

    Correct me if I am wrong, Oh Llama, but isn’t this exactly what our approach was during the 90s? That was a pretty good time for AQ as they essentially took over Afghanistan as a symbiotic parasite to the Taliban.


  33. tom says:

    Fred, the real problem with the republican party is that it has been captured by an odd brand of right-wing reactionaries. I respect and agree with many republicans on some policy issues — the key one being fiscal conservatism.

    Unfortunately, the party has been completely knocked off its foundation by a minority of its membership who are motivated only by their lust for power, religious extremism, judgementalism, blind ethnocentrism, selfishness and greed.

    I long for a time when there can be more cooperation and civil discourse between both politicians and citizens across the political spectrum. We have too many challenges and opportunities to fight amongst ourselves as imbeciles like GDumbya, Darth Cheney, Limpballs and Hannity have been encouraging us to do.


  34. Buckie Boy says:

    Southern Scum – go F yourself punk.

    The Spamming and the Trolls were ridiculous yesterday, and it made the site unbearable to be on. Off topic Troll scum were mucking things up, the were having a great time destroying any discussion at all.

    Glad the flag is back to flag the off topic idiots, like Southern Scum Sucker.


  35. MCMetal says:

    Southern Man Says:
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    Hey Matt. Go flag yourself. I have never flagged anyone. Not even you, when you threatened my wife with violence. You are a real man Matt. A real man/woman takes care of things on their terms. Not go crying to someone else to take care of a problem for them. Typical liberal attitude on your part Matt.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Since when is Chimpy , whose Daddy bailed him out of EVERYTHING and whom you stupidly have excuse-made for these last 7+ years , been a “liberal” , jackass ?

    Do you actually realize the tiniest portion of the enormity of your colossal ignorance and stupidity ?


  36. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    RUCerious Says:
    Er, DixieDude, do you have anything to say that’s on topic today, or just here to fling insults?

    Has it ever had anything to say? Not to my knowledge. Perhaps if we flag it to death TP will finally ban it. Unfortunately it will be back in probably 15 minutes with a new moniker, but I for one would be very happy to never see another post from S&M.


  37. Fred says:

    Southern Man Says:
    A real man/woman takes care of things on their terms. Not go crying to someone else to take care of a problem for them. Typical conservative attitude on your part SM.

    Is that what you were doing in you post to Matt? Taking care of things on your own? Sounded like whining to me.


  38. ralph the wonder llama says:

    King Cranky, thanks for that Limbaugh link. I had never heard that. AWESOME!


  39. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Tom Says:
    Fred, the real problem with the republican party is that it has been captured by an odd brand of right-wing reactionaries. I respect and agree with many republicans on some policy issues — the key one being fiscal conservatism.

    I know what you mean. Even my father who has been a life-long conservative bullet voting the (R) for many years had finally had it with what the Bush Crime Family had done to the Conservative movement. If he had lived long enough, I think he would have voted for Obama this time around. I know at least five former Republicans who have registered as Democrats and are voting for Obama. To a number they feel that the Democrats today are closer to their ideals than the neoCON Republican party is.


  40. MCMetal says:

    Limbaugh’s rhetoric mirrors the conservative strategy around the 2006 elections. At the time, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), Dick Cheney, and the White House all suggested al Qaeda was hoping for a Democratic Congress.

    I could find a group more on the ball and with a better understanding of al Qaeda at a Girl Scout meeting than those mentioned above ………..


  41. slappy magoo says:

    Why do I get the feeling Islamofascists come from the same magical land on which you’ll find champion snipe hunters, Oompa Loompas and compassionate conservatives?


  42. Fred says:

    tom Says:

    I remember those times too Tom, they were when the republicans were in the superminority. That in my opinion is the only place for republicans is as the minority obstrutionist party. After all even liberal would get a little crazy if no one opposed them on anything.


  43. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Keltoi Says:

    Correct me if I am wrong, Oh Llama, but isn’t this exactly what our approach was during the 90s? That was a pretty good time for AQ as they essentially took over Afghanistan as a symbiotic parasite to the Taliban.

    Keltoi, you are not wrong. Except for your assertion that it was a “pretty good time for AQ”. The “pretty good time” for AQ has been in the new millennium, when George’s “War on Terra™” has swelled the ranks of recruits and his invasion of Iraq has given them not only a cause around which to rally, but a fully-equipped training ground to boot.

    Are you really trying to make the argument that invading other nations is the way to combat terrorism?


  44. Uncle Ho says:

    tom, today’s rethuglic party kinda resembles the one in 1964 with Goldwater as their standard bearer.

    remember this little gem?
    “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation is no virtue.”- Barry Goldwater 1964 GOP convention


  45. gummitch says:

    Keltoi Says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    If there even were such a thing as “Islamofascists” they would surely prefer a leadership that went after terrorists as a matter of law enforcement, and that tried to undermine their safe havens through diplomacy and education, wouldn’t they?

    Correct me if I am wrong, Oh Llama, but isn’t this exactly what our approach was during the 90s? That was a pretty good time for AQ as they essentially took over Afghanistan as a symbiotic parasite to the Taliban.

    You’re wrong. Just check with the British, for one thing, who define their entire approach in counter-terrorism exactly as Ralph did, and credit it with all the success they have had. Blowing people up, which is the Bush approach, is a miserable failure.

    You’re wrong, part II. During the period you reference, the terrorists responsible for the first bombing at the WTC were found, arrested, convicted and imprisoned. I’d say that was pretty damn effective.


  46. freedom lover says:

    And keltoi pulls more crap from his ass by conflating Clinton’s successful prosecution of the first WTC bombers with the taliban’s support of Al Qaeda. Limbaugh’s students sure do like them some Big Stupid, don’t they? And, pray tell, little keltoi, what has Bushco accomplished besides swelling the ranks and armories of the enemy? Oh, I guess the deaths of 4300 American soldiers and the devastaing woinding both physically and mentally of another 50,000 should be ignored, as you rightards ignore the disp[lacement and destruction of literally millions of Iraqis.

    But thanks for demonstrating, once again, why wingnuts are so damn bad at governing.


  47. Buckie Boy says:

    Limpballs the ChristoFascist call muslim extremist Islamofascists, that’s rich. When in fact they are hoping for the Repukian War Mongers to stay in power, Bush has been the biggest recruiting tool they have had ever.

    Limpball pulls facts out of his butt all the time, like most of his kind does.


  48. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Southern Man Says:
    The Fairness Doctrine is only an attempt to drown out conservative voices. If the democrats voice was being heard the way conservatives voices are, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But since the fair market dictates what we want to hear, not you, your only hope of denying free speech to those who want to hear conservatives, is to enact a meaningless law.
    Listen to Malloy or Rhodes lately? Talk about lies, start there as well as Limbaugh.

    Hey S & M, would you like a little cheese with that whine? Also, perhaps you could inform us of any lie that either Malloy or Rhodes has told.


  49. MCMetal says:

    Southern Man Says:

    Listen to Malloy or Rhodes lately? Talk about lies, start there as well as Limbaugh.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Umm , not quite , Southern Rube

    Hume , Hannity , O’Reilly , Savage , Beck , Scarborough , Coulter , and many more ; you “start” with the BIGGEST PROBLEM , which are the outright liars for the GOP who have been plying their “trade” for years and years………….


  50. freedom lover says:

    freedomless Says:

    all you’ve shown is your ignorance of foreign languages, and your gullibility when your rightwing liars force their propaganda down your throat. Also your stupidity and narrowmindedness, but that’s assumed with morons of your stature.


  51. Zimzone says:

    Hate Radio has done more than Bush, in some ways, too screw up American opinion.
    They’re good at it, I’ll give them that. In fact, the current 2 word’ mantra to dumb down America worked quite well for awhile.
    Rush, Hannity, Savage, Hewitt, et al have lied, slandered and shouted their crock of BS with no consequences, to date.
    Their time is coming, however.
    Just like Feith, they tend to forget every word they have spoke is archived.
    2009 is going to be fun. President Obama will surely back investigations into misuse of public airwaves, eh?
    Can you hear me now, Limpballs!


  52. 1984 says:

    9/11. Who benefits? The neocons with their PNAC agenda. Don’t expect them to ever win a war against terrorism because:
    1. They need it (just like they needed that New Pearl Harbor)
    2. It’s entirely counterproductive. 1953 Iran coup anyone?
    3. There’s plenty of money to be made from this “war”.
    4. If Osama is still alive he needs US presence in the middle-east for a continuation of the struggle so that recruits are easier


  53. dim wit says:

    Keltoi Says:
    That was a pretty good time for AQ as they essentially took over Afghanistan as a symbiotic parasite to the Taliban.

    And yet Bush invades Iraq…..


  54. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    You’re wrong, part II. During the period you reference, the terrorists responsible for the first bombing at the WTC were found, arrested, convicted and imprisoned. I’d say that was pretty damn effective.

    Especially considering the fact that not ONE person has been tried and convicted for being complicit in the 911 fiasco.


  55. freedom lover says:

    Hey S & M, would you like a little cheese with that whine? Also, perhaps you could inform us of any lie that either Malloy or Rhodes has told.

    southern Man will never be able to back up his claims. he’s held hostage by the right wing, an unthinking, robotic tool, just what they like and need. Without the stupidty of idiots like SM, the conservative movement would have died long ago.


  56. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Southern Man Says:

    The Fairness Doctrine is only an attempt to drown out conservative voices. If the democrats voice was being heard the way conservatives voices are, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But since the fair market dictates what we want to hear, not you, your only hope of denying free speech to those who want to hear conservatives, is to enact a meaningless law. Kind of like camapaign finance laws. You probably thought that was a good idea to. Turns out, democrats are being effected by it more than republicans. It won’t be long until that law is gone.

    Listen to Malloy or Rhodes lately? Talk about lies, start there as well as Limbaugh.

    Well, to be fair, SM, I was mostly referring to the trolls in their shrieking about “Fairness Doctrine” and “free speech”.

    But since you brought it up, how is the Fairness Doctrine “only an attempt to drown out conservative voices”? Are you admitting that, if both sides were presented fairly, conservative voices would be marginalized because of the strength of their arguments?

    Or are you admitting that, if a fairness doctrine required truthful speech, conservative voices would be silenced that way?

    Why is a requirement that the publicly-owned airwaves be used for objective information, and that politically-biased speech on one side be balanced by equal time on the other, a “meaningless law”?

    Do you think a well-informed populace is important to a well-functioning democracy?

    Do you think “what people want to hear” will lead to a well-informed populace?


  57. Fred says:

    Southern Man Says:
    But since the fair market dictates what we want to hear, not you, your only hope of denying free speech to those who want to hear conservatives, is to enact a meaningless law.

    This is false for so many reasons. Huge corp. monopolies own the media and decide who will be heard, period. It has nothing to do with a “fair market”. Remember the advertisers are also…..huge corporations….who do they love?

    try again SM but try to make some sense if you want to be credible.


  58. misshusseinmolly says:

    But…but…but…Sally Kern says that GAYS are the biggest threat this country faces! And now Limbaugh says that liberalism is the greatest threat this country faces! I’m so confused…so many things to be afraid of…


  59. shoeless says:

    Southern Man Says:

    The Fairness Doctrine is only an attempt to drown out conservative voices.

    So, you are saying that conservative voices will be drowned out by fairness? I agree with you that conservatives cannot compete on a level playing field. The internet is a perfect example of that phenomenum.


  60. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Regarding Randi Rhodes (was mentioned so not exactly off-topic), she’s back on my radio station and full of piss and vinegar. She’s back in Florida which makes her very happy and from what she says, she’s on as many stations now as she was with AAR. But, I have noticed one difference in her show and it’s one I hope sticks. She is a lot more respectful of her call-in listeners. It used to annoy me when she would talk over her call-in’s. I know it was mostly because she’s so passionate, but sometimes it grated on me. I have listened to her for the last two days and haven’t heard her talk over someone once! Good on you Randi and welcome back.


  61. freedom lover says:

    Do you believe it needs to be policed as well? You call republicans nazis, but this right to free speech, that you want to deny, is line with nazi thinking.

    Nobody is denying free speech to the right, but the left has been denied free speech for 25 years. In a capitalistic system gone mad, only the money men have the say, and that’s where we are now. You can celebrate the destruction of our democracy all you like, SM, it just shows what a shallow, unthinking tool of the rich you are. And your access to 50 computers means that sooner or later, you will be fired for abusing your employer. Woo-hoo, indeed. Cowards like you are the reason the 9/11 attacks were successful.


  62. Freedom Rebel says:

    Islamofascism is a controversial[1] neologism suggesting an association of the ideological or operational characteristics of certain Islamist movements from the late 20th century on, with European fascist movements of the early 20th century, neofascist movements, or totalitarianism. Critics of the term argue that associating the religion of Islam with fascism is offensive, inaccurate, and in some cases counterproductive.

    Rush is being his usual self; offensive, a liar, hateful, and basically doesn’t pay well with others.


  63. Freedom Rebel says:

    I meant” Play well with others” sorry typo


  64. Badger says:

    The exact OPPOSITE of what Mr. Limbaugh says is True.

    Exhibit A: a month before the 2004 elections, Bin Laden issues a Scarry tape filled with empty threats….and Bush’s poll numbers go UP.

    Bin Laden wanted to LURE America into asymetric Warfare in a Muslim country…and Bankrupt us. He probably thought that country was Afghanistan…but BUSH, the gift that keeps giving, invaded IRAQ….the secular Stop to the spread of Islamic Control in the Middle East.


  65. freedom lover says:

    Southerm Man is a typical redneck, drunken loser, what more needs to be said?


  66. freedom lover says:

    Bin Laden and Bush have been best friends their entire lives. Bush was only too happy to let Osama have his way, it’s all in the family. like Prescott Bush and Hitler, good buddies. The Bush family should have been marched into Auschwitz; the world would be a better place today.


  67. MCMetal says:

    Southern Man Says:
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    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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    Woo..hoo..they gave JDC the boot. Now, let’s concentrate on S&M. I don’t know about you but I am royally sick of its ramblings and incoherent statements.

    I’m not going anywhere Bilbo. I have access to over fifty computers and countless IP addresses that change evry week. Woo..hoo….

    Let’s get one thing straight. Rush is not screaming fire in a theater. A lot of what he says is garbage(I know, I was forced to listen for a year during training)but some of what he says is the truth. We do have an enemy. I know many of you don’t believe there are people out hrere who want to do us harm, but it’s true. If you want to drown his voice for what he believes, are you ready to do the same to Rhodes and Malloy. How about the internet. Do you believe it needs to be policed as well? You call republicans nazis, but this right to free speech, that you want to deny, is line with nazi thinking.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    You expect me to believe yourself , a 2 time Chimpy voter who still apologizes and excuse-makes for the documented worst president in US history , along with a fat , lying , drug addicted life-long shill for the horseshit GOP on whom and what is America’s “enemy(s)” ?

    Chimpy and Co (including yourself) , are 0-for-7 years in terms of predictions /assessments on EVERYTHING ; and you and that retarded brood should be believed based upon what ????????

    Name 1 VALID THING AND I MAY CONSIDER IT.

    I


  68. MCMetal says:

    Southern Man Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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    Woo..hoo..they gave JDC the boot. Now, let’s concentrate on S&M. I don’t know about you but I am royally sick of its ramblings and incoherent statements.

    I’m not going anywhere Bilbo. I have access to over fifty computers and countless IP addresses that change evry week. Woo..hoo….

    Let’s get one thing straight. Rush is not screaming fire in a theater. A lot of what he says is garbage(I know, I was forced to listen for a year during training)but some of what he says is the truth. We do have an enemy. I know many of you don’t believe there are people out hrere who want to do us harm, but it’s true. If you want to drown his voice for what he believes, are you ready to do the same to Rhodes and Malloy. How about the internet. Do you believe it needs to be policed as well? You call republicans nazis, but this right to free speech, that you want to deny, is line with nazi thinking.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    You expect me to believe yourself , a 2 time Chimpy voter who still apologizes and excuse-makes for the documented worst president in US history , along with a fat , lying , drug addicted life-long shill for the horseshit GOP on whom and what is America’s “enemy(s)” ?

    Chimpy and Co (including yourself) , are 0-for-7 years in terms of predictions /assessments on EVERYTHING ; and you and that retarded brood should be believed based upon what ????????

    Name 1 VALID THING AND I MAY CONSIDER IT.

    I


  69. j swift says:

    I disagree I think Fatassofascists are the greatest threat to Americans, at least to rational ones anyway.


  70. dim wit says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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    But, I have noticed one difference in her show and it’s one I hope sticks. She is a lot more respectful of her call-in listeners.

    maybe you could learn something from her example. There is no need to “flag” ever person you disagree with.


  71. shoeless says:

    Badger Says:

    The exact OPPOSITE of what Mr. Limbaugh says is True.

    Exhibit A: a month before the 2004 elections, Bin Laden issues a Scarry tape filled with empty threats….and Bush’s poll numbers go UP.

    Now, now. Let’s not be a conspiracy theorist. The fact that Osama bin Laden always releases a tape in October of even numbered years is merely a coincidence caused by his video production schedule.


  72. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Southern Man Says:

    I know many of you don’t believe there are people out hrere who want to do us harm, but it’s true. If you want to drown his voice for what he believes, are you ready to do the same to Rhodes and Malloy. How about the internet. Do you believe it needs to be policed as well? You call republicans nazis, but this right to free speech, that you want to deny, is line with nazi thinking

    There’s a whole army of straw men here, SM.

    I’ve defended you in the past, but you seem to be slipping badly.

    First of all, none of us here “don’t believe there are people out hrere (sic) who want to do us harm”. At least, no one I’ve read. Our argument is that invading nations that were no threat to us is the WRONG WAY to go about dealing with those who want to harm us. When you morph that position into one that you feel better attacking, you’re being dishonest.

    Next, most of us would be content if Limbaugh would be forced to own up to his lies. But the insulation with which he’s surrounded himself (and I don’t mean the excess body weight) won’t permit it, and his listeners won’t demand it. Yet right-wingers often claim that our call for tolerance means we should tolerate lies told about us.

    Third, no one here wants to deny the right to free speech. The difference between free public speech (such as wearing a t-shirt with a message to a political event) and speech on an internet chat forum shouldn’t really need to be explained to you, but apparently it does.

    Like I said, SM, i’ve defended you in the past, but you’re really sounding like a troll today. Maybe you’re just conforming to the expectations of those who call you a troll, but I had hopes that you could rise above it.


  73. ennealogic says:

    Poor Rush. He never would listen to anyone, and now he can no longer hear. I guess nobody can tell him that “Islamofascism” is an imaginary boogie-ism, and that liberal is no longer a dirty word.

    Too much Viagra will getcha!


  74. RUCerious says:

    I know, I was forced to listen for a year during training)

    What the FU(K kind of training requires one to listen to Dirtbag Limbaugh? Carjacking School? GooseStepping drills?


  75. MCMetal says:

    freedomless Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    I think one reason conservative radio is so massively successful. They poke fun at liberals. Like the Obama thing with small town folk clinging to there guns and Religions. That kind of arrogates make it very easy to hate liberals. Its fun to listen to someone call em out on it everyday. Your group has a PR problem!

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    0-for-7-years in predictions/assessments along with the worst president in US history on your side isn’t “good PR” , stupid ass ………..Your beloved GOP got ousted from majority rule in 2006 ; and that is nothing compared to the tsunami awaiting your moronic , lying , gullible backwards asses in November.

    Have fun with the next 30 years of your and GOP insignificance , you GOP leg humping tool……….


  76. Fred says:

    freedom lover Says:

    You are making some excellent points along with the rest of the “our gang”….hold thier feet to the fire.

    We can’t continue to let them fabricate the truth to suit their needs.


  77. ralph the wonder llama says:

    freedomless Says:
    I think one reason conservative radio is so massively successful. They poke fun at liberals. Like the Obama thing with small town folk clinging to there guns and Religions. That kind of arrogates make it very easy to hate liberals. Its fun to listen to someone call em out on it everyday. Your group has a PR problem!

    Yeah, I can see where someone with your education level would find it fun to laugh at someone more eloquent and well-educated. Probably makes you feel better about yourself, huh?


  78. RUCerious says:

    Whut the heil is an arrogate?


  79. Keltoi says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Keltoi, you are not wrong. Except for your assertion that it was a “pretty good time for AQ”. The “pretty good time” for AQ has been in the new millennium, when George’s “War on Terra™” has swelled the ranks of recruits and his invasion of Iraq has given them not only a cause around which to rally, but a fully-equipped training ground to boot.

    They made plenty of recruiting videos in the 90’s too, Ralph, and their training camps were run with the consent and support of a sovereign state. In the 90’s, OBLs main recruiting tool was US troops in SA and the plight of Iraqis suffering under UN sanctions. Both those are gone now and guess what? He found new things to b*tch about.

    Are you really trying to make the argument that invading other nations is the way to combat terrorism?

    Well, in the case of the Taliban, I think you could make that argument, yes. They were an extreme case, admitably.


  80. ralph the wonder llama says:

    RUCerious Says:
    I know, I was forced to listen for a year during training)

    What the FU(K kind of training requires one to listen to Dirtbag Limbaugh? Carjacking School? GooseStepping drills?

    Oh, come on, RUC, isn’t it obvious? Troll School isn’t the two-week ice-cream social it used to be. This is war!


  81. MCMetal says:

    Keltoi Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Keltoi, you are not wrong. Except for your assertion that it was a “pretty good time for AQ”. The “pretty good time” for AQ has been in the new millennium, when George’s “War on Terra™” has swelled the ranks of recruits and his invasion of Iraq has given them not only a cause around which to rally, but a fully-equipped training ground to boot.

    They made plenty of recruiting videos in the 90’s too, Ralph, and their training camps were run with the consent and support of a sovereign state. In the 90’s, OBLs main recruiting tool was US troops in SA and the plight of Iraqis suffering under UN sanctions. Both those are gone now and guess what? He found new things to b*tch about.

    Are you really trying to make the argument that invading other nations is the way to combat terrorism?

    Well, in the case of the Taliban, I think you could make that argument, yes. They were an extreme case, admitably.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Maybe it would have helped had not the deity of the garbage GOP , Ronnie Retard , not armed everyone ………..


  82. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    Or are you admitting that, if a fairness doctrine required truthful speech, conservative voices would be silenced that way?
    Why is a requirement that the publicly-owned airwaves be used for objective information, and that politically-biased speech on one side be balanced by equal time on the other, a “meaningless law”?
    Do you think a well-informed populace is important to a well-functioning democracy?
    Do you think “what people want to hear” will lead to a well-informed populace?

    Ralph – you are wasting your time asking S&M intelligent questions. He won’t answer them. Like most trolls, when they are challenged on their stupidity, they either leave or change the subject.

    Regarding the Fairness Doctrine. I would agree that we didn’t need it if it was truly a level playing field out there. S&M seems to think that since conservative radio has so many more listeners than liberal radio it’s because that’s what the market is saying. But, since there are maybe three times as many conservative radio stations than there are liberal radio stations it is hardly a level playing field.

    S&M brought up Randi Rhodes. Well I’m sure it wouldn’t want to know that she beats every conservative that is on the air in her time slot in every market where she goes head to head with them. Now that’s a level playing field and one where liberal talk radio wins.


  83. StratRat says:

    If the right side were smarter, they would realize the limbaughs and o’reilly’s of the world offer nothing to anybody but the bottom feeders who would like to see the US become a monarchy. All the right side pieholes spout the same ‘rovian’ talking points – no differences between them.

    The neocons needed the assistance of the clinton haters to move their agenda to the extreme – and they did that largely through right side radio. How pathetic does a person have to be to see limbaugh as anything other that a mouthpiece for a failed ideology?


  84. freedom lover says:

    let’s face it, massive lies and ignorant pride are all they have left on the right. All the facts show them to be wrong, weak, ineffective, incompetent, antiAmerican, hypocritical and whiny. Any accusation made by a wingnut can be thrown back in their face as a lie or irrelevancy. The tidal wave of republican corruption is a case in point: there are maybe a handful of actual Democratic corruption cases, yet the republicans have so much corruption that it takes a dozen pages just to list them. The conservative movement should be stampoed out and flushed, before it achieves its goal of destroying the greatest country that ever existed. It has very nearly done that, and another term or two of Republican chicanery will send us down the toilet.


  85. gummitch says:

    RUCerious Says:

    Whut the heil is an arrogate?

    Isn’t it like one of those scandals? You know, Watergate, Travelgate. Hell, Wikipedia has an entire page on the subject and they completely missed Arrogate.


  86. Keltoi says:

    gummitch Says:
    You’re wrong. Just check with the British, for one thing, who define their entire approach in counter-terrorism exactly as Ralph did, and credit it with all the success they have had. Blowing people up, which is the Bush approach, is a miserable failure.

    The Brits have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, for starters. They also have had domestic terrorist attacks more recently than we. They also have grown into a surveillance society more intense than our own…I also believe their legal system is slightly more permissive as to what the government can do vis citizens privacy. Not sure I am ceding the Brits to you as a refutation, Gummitch.

    You’re wrong, part II. During the period you reference, the terrorists responsible for the first bombing at the WTC were found, arrested, convicted and imprisoned. I’d say that was pretty damn effective.

    And the second attack was planned, as well as the Cole, Khobar Towers, African embassy bombings….I don’t think you will find it easy to substantiate that AQ had it tough in the 90s.


  87. freedom lover says:

    “Are you really trying to make the argument that invading other nations is the way to combat terrorism?

    Well, in the case of the Taliban, I think you could make that argument, yes. They were an extreme case, admitably.”

    And the invasion was unsuccessful, as is usual with republican operations.


  88. shoeless says:

    RUCerious Says:
    I know, I was forced to listen for a year during training)

    What the FU(K kind of training requires one to listen to Dirtbag Limbaugh?

    They used to be called “reeducation camps”.


  89. freedom lover says:

    “And the second attack was planned, as well as the Cole, Khobar Towers, African embassy bombings….I don’t think you will find it easy to substantiate that AQ had it tough in the 90s.”

    and your fantasy Al Qaeda wouldn’t have existed without Reagan and Poppy, so blow it out your fat ass. Your pride in your stupidity is fascinating.


  90. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Keltoi Says:

    They made plenty of recruiting videos in the 90’s too, Ralph, and their training camps were run with the consent and support of a sovereign state. In the 90’s, OBLs main recruiting tool was US troops in SA and the plight of Iraqis suffering under UN sanctions. Both those are gone now and guess what? He found new things to b*tch about.

    Are you really trying to make the argument that invading other nations is the way to combat terrorism?

    Well, in the case of the Taliban, I think you could make that argument, yes. They were an extreme case, admitably.

    Keltoi, you compose better sentences than most of the contrarians on this board, and I frequently fall for the trick of assuming you will make more sense.

    I am almost always disappointed when I read your responses. The fact that AQ “made recruiting videos” in the nineties says nothing about how successful those recruiting efforts were. The US Army was extremely successful in recruiting in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Why? Because a ruthless enemy had reared its head. Confrontation nourishes hatred. Bush’s invasion of Iraq gave terrorists’ hatred of the US a friggin’ booster shot.


  91. L. Hussein Annie says:

    Huh. Rush Blimpblob spews forth so much air pollution that he is now officially the 2nd largest source of greenhouse gases on the planet.

    After China, of course.


  92. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    dim wit Says:
    maybe you could learn something from her example. There is no need to “flag” ever person you disagree with.

    I don’t flag people because I disagree with them, I flag people who are here only to disrupt and stink up the place. If someone wants to get into an intelligent debate on an issue, I am more than happy to do so. But a large majority of the trolls here (you included) are here only to disrupt, call people names and attempt to derail threads.


  93. misshusseinmolly says:

    Islamofascists are “campaigning” for Democrats? Do we have evidence of this? Have Obama and Hillary been getting campaign contributions from the Islamofascist PAC? Have the Islamofascists been volunteering for telephone and envelope stuffing duty?

    Oh wait — Limpwad says that Islamofascists are “constantly issuing Democrat (sic) talking points.” Well, perhaps he could be a little more specific? Which “talking points” is he talking about, and when/how were they issued? I suspect that Rush doesn’t want to get bogged down with details, since they can be refuted. He’s much more in his element just randomly flinging poop and hoping some of it sticks with his audience.


  94. freedom lover says:

    “That means our opinions and ideas are guranteed under the First Amendment.”

    Wrong, SM. The republicans have destroyed those rights. look at the evidence. Try to demonstrate against the Deserter-In-Chief, if you dare. As usual, you are a simpleton without any knowledge of the facts.


  95. Fred says:

    Southern Man Says:
    We do have an enemy. I know many of you don’t believe there are people out hrere who want to do us harm, but it’s true.

    We know your methods and policies have created enemies for our country. We are looking for real solutions, not just a way to make a buck and turn the US into a militaristic facist nation.

    How are you helping….encouraging more invasions of countries that can’t get along with bush?

    Explain why most if not all of our problems could have been resolved without invasions if you can.

    Remember, Powell was in Afganistan in July 2001. Talking to Al Quiada……Think he did enough? I don’t. I think he threatened them and they exercised what has come to be known as a pre-emptive strike. I don’t like it one bit but that is how I see it.


  96. Witch1 says:

    Great, the only person I know of with 3 butt’s is spewing his hate and lie’s again..That’s right I said three butt’s, one in his face and two on his ass….Every time I see or hear about this wack job I think of rove, they resemble one another, ugly and evil….Are all these people related.?….~Blessings~


  97. MCMetal says:

    Keltoi Says:

    And the second attack was planned, as well as the Cole, Khobar Towers, African embassy bombings….I don’t think you will find it easy to substantiate that AQ had it tough in the 90s.

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    All those other attacks happened outside of US soil ; the one that did happen on US soil happened during a GOP dominated government and with a GOP sitting president , and has never been resolved properly.

    Keep trying to blame the majority of terrorism on Clinton , carnival boy…………


  98. L. Hussein Annie says:

    Yeah, MissMolly – ol’ Rushie really ought to wipe those “facts” off after he pulls them out of his ass…

    Blech.


  99. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Keltoi Says:
    gummitch Says:
    You’re wrong. Just check with the British, for one thing, who define their entire approach in counter-terrorism exactly as Ralph did, and credit it with all the success they have had. Blowing people up, which is the Bush approach, is a miserable failure
    .

    The Brits have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, for starters. They also have had domestic terrorist attacks more recently than we. They also have grown into a surveillance society more intense than our own…I also believe their legal system is slightly more permissive as to what the government can do vis citizens privacy. Not sure I am ceding the Brits to you as a refutation, Gummitch.

    Jeezus H. Christ, Keltoi, this is just a lame response. The fact that the Brits have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan has no bearing on the way in which the British government has acknowledged is the best way to combat terrorism — with law enforcement tools and strategies. The fact that Tony Blair followed his big buddy Bush into Iraq (which may have contributed to the anger behind the recent attacks and near-attacks, rather than dissuaded any) is in no way the argument for your position that you think it is.


  100. NOLIESPLEASE says:

    I have healt care 100% – no deductables or co-pays

    I only have to pay 25% of my tuition for school

    I live where we have had only 68 murders last year in a city of 4million.By the way, we have the most gun owners per capita in North America.

    The unemployment is the lowest in decades.

    My bank has no problem.

    My home has increased in value and is continuing to increase, no mortgage problem here.

    Average starting sallery for a teacher – $34,000

    We have one of the lowest poverty rates in the world.

    All this Liberal crap really scares me. You see, I live in Canada. One of the most liberal countries in the world. How many Americans would like to have the same problems we Canadians have? God I hate being a LIBERAL.

    Us Canadians think American are CORPORATE SLAVES. Even after you take home your pay, you still OWE the corporations….in effect, Paying the master.

    It’s time for Americans to set themselves free.

    If you are wondering why I care? My cousins are very “bitter” about living in OHIO and six hours away, my world is totally different. We’re actually living the dream.

    Lets get Rush


  101. JBaddo says:

  102. MCMetal says:

    Southern Man Says:

    No outrage here Matt. I have yet to get outraged at anyone at TP for anyhing they have said. I’m to busy laughing. I enjoy life. It’s part of the reason I come here. I see so many of you who clearly are not happy, and express it everyday. You sit in here and regurgeatate the same mantra day in and day out. Please tell me what it accomplishes?

    Everyone in this country has the right to voice their opinions. Rush believes liberals are cowards and Malloy believes republicans are war mongers. Whomever you agrre with is up to you. They are opinions that either you agree with, or you don’t. We have the right to any opinion we choose. Go ask the A.C.L.U. about opinions. We are a free nation and have the freedom of speech. That means our opinions and ideas are guranteed under the First Amendment.

    April 16th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Know what the difference is ?

    Malloy spouts FACTS AND/OR NUMBERS ; Limpballs spouts his “beliefs” which are worth even less than his fat carcass.

    “Liberals are cowards” ? According to whom ?

    The same fat slob who skirted the draft due to a g-damn boil on his humungous ass ? Are you kidding me ?

    And it’s the self-same porcine shitstain who railed for years that drug addicts were “criminals” ; that is , until he was caught , incarcerated and revealed as one ………..

    Nice to see you’re consistent , SM ; you constantly back and defend hypocrites , whether it’s a Limpballs or typically a GOP politician………..


  103. gummitch says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Jeezus H. Christ, Keltoi, this is just a lame response. The fact that the Brits have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan has no bearing on the way in which the British government has acknowledged is the best way to combat terrorism — with law enforcement tools and strategies. The fact that Tony Blair followed his big buddy Bush into Iraq (which may have contributed to the anger behind the recent attacks and near-attacks, rather than dissuaded any) is in no way the argument for your position that you think it is.

    Ah, Ralph, thanks. I’ve got nothing to add.


  104. dim wit says:

    bilbo,

    SM makes a respectable argument in his last comment. While I will note some of his prior notes on this threas were not of the same calibur, his points are usually well thought out and he provides a logical thought process.

    I can’t say I agree w/ many of SM’s comments (I do agree with 5:01pm comment) he provides a different point of view and I don’t think the label “troll” applies.

    You, on the other hand, like to cry “troll, troll, troll (myself included)” all day long whenever someone disagrees with you. The truly ironic part is that you’re so rabidly pro-Obama, yet you exude none of his characteristics.

    Feel free to flag me.


  105. galmud says:

    Al Qaeda wants McCain for president. Bush stupid invasion of Iraq fit bin Ladens agenda perfectly. And here comes another ignorant warmongering Republican promising four more years of the same or worse. Islamic terrorists all over the world rejoice!

    If Bin Laden or anyone else of his minions publically “endorses” Clinton or Obama they of course know thats gonna hurt the Democrats and benefit McCain.

    These Islamic terrorists may be evil but they are way smarter than most Republicans


  106. Fred says:

    Southern Man Says:
    I have yet to get outraged at anyone at TP for anyhing they have said. I’m to busy laughing. I enjoy life. It’s part of the reason I come here. I see so many of you who clearly are not happy, and express it everyday.

    Heck of a reason to live SM, especially since you are part of the group that brought so much misery to America in such a short time.

    Your mother must be so proud.


  107. Keltoi says:

    Ralph says
    I am almost always disappointed when I read your responses.

    You wound me.

    The fact that AQ “made recruiting videos” in the nineties says nothing about how successful those recruiting efforts were.

    True on its face. However, after 9-11, I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis had gone through AQs camps in the 90s. ‘Bout out of time, no time to find you a link, but he was definitely recruiting AND training.

    Confrontation nourishes hatred. Bush’s invasion of Iraq gave terrorists’ hatred of the US a friggin’ booster shot.

    Notice I did not say invading Iraq helped. Do you think invading Afghanistan was not a good idea? I thought I had heard you say different in the past.


  108. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Keltoi Says:
    However, after 9-11, I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis had gone through AQs camps in the 90s. ‘Bout out of time, no time to find you a link, but he was definitely recruiting AND training.

    You know, if you stopped reading all the right winger crap on right winger sites, perhaps you would come across sounding a little more intelligent.

    “I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis”….

    Well, I read that the moon is made of green cheese, so it must be true.


  109. boreas says:

    Sure, didn’t you all see that photo of bin Laden at that Obama rally?


  110. Keltoi says:

    gummitch Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Jeezus H. Christ, Keltoi, this is just a lame response. The fact that the Brits have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan has no bearing on the way in which the British government has acknowledged is the best way to combat terrorism — with law enforcement tools and strategies. The fact that Tony Blair followed his big buddy Bush into Iraq (which may have contributed to the anger behind the recent attacks and near-attacks, rather than dissuaded any) is in no way the argument for your position that you think it is.

    Ah, Ralph, thanks. I’ve got nothing to add.

    Guys, cmon! The Brits are using military power AND law enforcement and so are we. You can’t say “The Brits think law enforcement is the way to go” when they also have troops in the field and pretend that they don’t see the uses of both. It makes it look like you are disregarding an important contradictory fact, which is what you accuse Trolls of doing. No poaching our techniques! :)


  111. Keltoi says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Keltoi Says:
    However, after 9-11, I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis had gone through AQs camps in the 90s. ‘Bout out of time, no time to find you a link, but he was definitely recruiting AND training.

    You know, if you stopped reading all the right winger crap on right winger sites, perhaps you would come across sounding a little more intelligent.

    “I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis”….

    Well, I read that the moon is made of green cheese, so it must be true.

    Remind me tomorrow I’ll see if I can link it, if I can’t I’ll retract it, I read only newspapers in 2001.


  112. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Notice I did not say invading Iraq helped. Do you think invading Afghanistan was not a good idea? I thought I had heard you say different in the past.

    Well, since we didn’t invade Afghanistan… If I remember correctly, we were more or less invited in by the “government in Afghanistan what was resisting the Taliban. They were only too happy to have us help them get rid of the Taliban and AQ.

    That’s a big difference to what we did in Iraq.

    Following the September 11, 2001 attacks the United States launched Operation Enduring Freedom, a military campaign to destroy the al-Qaeda terrorist training camps inside Afghanistan. The US military also threatened to overthrow the Taliban government for refusing to hand over Osama bin Laden and several al-Qaida members. The US made a common cause with the former Afghan Mujahideen to achieve its ends, including the Northern Alliance, a militia still recognized by the UN as the Afghan government.

    And then, of course, don’t forget that we have completely screwed up Afghanistan since the Taliban are back bigger and better than we were when we went there to find Osama, again something we were unable or unwilling to accomplish.


  113. Fred says:

    Keltoi Says:

    I have watched you guys try to talk to this guy. It’s like trying to explain nuclear physics to a 4 year old. He doesn’t listen to what you say because he is too busy trying to get you to address his needs….


  114. Luis M says:

    Keltoi Says:
    Guys, cmon! The Brits are using military power AND law enforcement and so are we.

    Yeah, but they’re doing it efficiently and effectively.


  115. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    dim wit Says:
    Feel free to flag me.

    done!


  116. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Keltoi Says:

    The fact that AQ “made recruiting videos” in the nineties says nothing about how successful those recruiting efforts were.

    True on its face. However, after 9-11, I read an estimate that said tens of thousands of Jihadis had gone through AQs camps in the 90s. ‘Bout out of time, no time to find you a link, but he was definitely recruiting AND training.

    Confrontation nourishes hatred. Bush’s invasion of Iraq gave terrorists’ hatred of the US a friggin’ booster shot.

    Notice I did not say invading Iraq helped. Do you think invading Afghanistan was not a good idea? I thought I had heard you say different in the past.

    Your first point, an unsourced rumor, demonstrates that AQ were in fact recruiting all through the nneties, and would have proven wrong any claim I had made to the contrary. Sadly, I made no such claim. I did claim that Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a boon to such recruiting efforts, something that your response does not address. The fact that they were recruiting then and are recruiting now says nothing about which counter-terrorism tactics served our interests best and which better served the interests of the terrorists.

    I never said invading Afghanistan was not a good idea. I thought and still do, that, although unfortunate, it was a necessary response to the attacks on 9/11. But in general, I think it’s clear that military action is a poor second or third choice of strategy in combatting terrorism, and military action alone is downright counter-productive.

    I am sorry for the wounding. I’m just trying to push you to do better.


  117. RUCerious says:

    I am certain the Bhuddo-Utopians pose a much more viable threat to Amurikka than Islamo-Fascists.


  118. gummitch says:

    Keltoi Says:

    Guys, cmon! The Brits are using military power AND law enforcement and so are we. You can’t say “The Brits think law enforcement is the way to go” when they also have troops in the field and pretend that they don’t see the uses of both. It makes it look like you are disregarding an important contradictory fact, which is what you accuse Trolls of doing. No poaching our techniques! :)

    The British themselves are the ones who reference the effectiveness of law enforcement. The primary reason they participated in the invasion of Iraq was the special relationship with the US, and particularly Blair’s relationship with GWB. You’ll notice they’re getting out as rapidly as possibly and you’ll also notice that their strategies in the south were very different than those used by the US.

    However many trainees went through Al Qaeda’s camps pales compared to the number of insurgents, terrorists, suicide bombers, jihadists (you choose) that have been inspired by the invasion of Iraq.

    And, finally, Afghanistan has only proven that with sufficient force you can bring down a State. The Taliban scattered into the countryside and across the border into Pakistan and have scarcely been destroyed. Much of the remainder of Afghanistan has been restored to its traditional powers, the warlords. And opium production has exponentially increased. That’s been terrifically effective, no?


  119. Keltoi says:

    Ralph, Gummitch, gotta go, thanks for the exchange.


  120. tombaker says:

    The only joke sadder and less funny than Rush Limbaugh is the fact that there are people who listen to him, who are evidently educated in places Special Ed is not offered.


  121. ralph the wonder llama says:

    gummitch Says:
    Keltoi Says:

    Guys, cmon! The Brits are using military power AND law enforcement and so are we. You can’t say “The Brits think law enforcement is the way to go” when they also have troops in the field and pretend that they don’t see the uses of both. It makes it look like you are disregarding an important contradictory fact, which is what you accuse Trolls of doing. No poaching our techniques! :)

    The British themselves are the ones who reference the effectiveness of law enforcement. The primary reason they participated in the invasion of Iraq was the special relationship with the US, and particularly Blair’s relationship with GWB. You’ll notice they’re getting out as rapidly as possibly and you’ll also notice that their strategies in the south were very different than those used by the US.

    However many trainees went through Al Qaeda’s camps pales compared to the number of insurgents, terrorists, suicide bombers, jihadists (you choose) that have been inspired by the invasion of Iraq.

    And, finally, Afghanistan has only proven that with sufficient force you can bring down a State. The Taliban scattered into the countryside and across the border into Pakistan and have scarcely been destroyed. Much of the remainder of Afghanistan has been restored to its traditional powers, the warlords. And opium production has exponentially increased. That’s been terrifically effective, no?

    Nicely done, gumm. I think we make a pretty good tag team, don’t you?


  122. regular_joe says:

    Rush Limbaugh claimed that liberalism is the greatest threat this country faces…

    Do people still listen to that moron?

    As usual, Rush is Wrong! Dead wrong.

    Since 9/11, Rush and host of other wingnuts have been cynically exploiting the fear of terrorism to benefit the Republican party. They made up scary sounding oxymorons like “Islamofascists” to frighten people into voting against their own best interests, and it worked like a charm — for a while.

    But now the charm is starting to fade and America is waking up to the stench of Republican corruption. The treasury is empty, our national debt has doubled and our standard of living is rapidly declining, yet we’re still prosecuting an illegal, immoral, and ultimately pointless war in Iraq — without so much as a definition of victory from our Commander-in-Chimp.

    So what does Rush do? He trots out his original boogeyman, “liberalism.” But in light of the horrendous mess that “conservatives” have made, liberalism doesn’t seem so scary any more — not nearly as scary as the prospect of more conservative “governance.”


  123. Keltoi says:

    Argh, see you both responded but I am out of time, to be continued.


  124. Keltoi says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    Nicely done, gumm. I think we make a pretty good tag team, don’t you?

    THIS I must make time for – you do indeed make a fiendishly effective tag team; throw in Toasterhead and I inevitably wind up covered in spitballs and pelted with erasers, but it is fun. Thanks.



  125. Zooey says:

    Keltoi Says:
    April 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    And yet, you still manage to learn nothing.


  126. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Keltoi Says:

    THIS I must make time for – you do indeed make a fiendishly effective tag team; throw in Toasterhead and I inevitably wind up covered in spitballs and pelted with erasers, but it is fun. Thanks.

    The spitballs must be gummitch; I’m strictly an eraser man.


  127. MCMetal says:

    Keltoi Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    Nicely done, gumm. I think we make a pretty good tag team, don’t you?

    THIS I must make time for – you do indeed make a fiendishly effective tag team; throw in Toasterhead and I inevitably wind up covered in spitballs and pelted with erasers, but it is fun. Thanks.

    April 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Wonderful

    Now shut the hell up and stop goofing off and get back to the job I gave you in shoveling up the elephant shit , carnival boy …………..


  128. dim wit says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    dim wit Says:
    Feel free to flag me.

    done!

    And yet I’m still here.

    BTW, nice retort to Keltoi. You really made a strong point there. A 2yr old couldn’t have said it better.


  129. ebbAndflow says:

    RUCerious Says: Whut the heil is an arrogate?

    arrogate (?r’?-g?t’) tr.v., -gat·ed, -gat·ing, -gates.

    To take or claim for oneself without right; appropriate: Presidents who have arrogated the power of Congress to declare war. See synonyms at appropriate.
    To ascribe on behalf of another in an unwarranted manner.


  130. Fred says:

    freedomless Says:

    And so islamofacist like commies are not terms of endearment thrown around by Republicans?


  131. MCMetal says:

    freedomless Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    galmud Says

    These Islamic terrorists may be evil but they are way smarter than most Republicans

    The problem you have is not with Republicans. Your problem is the same affliction as the terrorists. HATE!!

    Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation, or creed.
    Bertrand Russel

    Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated.
    George Bernard Shaw

    I shall never permit myself to stoop so low as to hate any man.
    Booker T. Washington

    If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn’t part of ourselves doesn’t disturb us.
    Herman Hesse

    April 16th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    What would you call the feeling where a group of the most dim-witted morons ever crapped out in America , the retarded 19% Chimpy Adoration Brigade , still feel compelled to back an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation who had never provoked nor attacked us , and has since been proven to have been nothing but a group of lies that led us into it all along ?

    Compassion , understanding and love ?


  132. MCMetal says:

    BTW brainless

    Do you see the tremendous irony in a GOP/Chimpy suckhole such as yourself claiming “hate” exists in others in a thread where the topic is about Fat Bastood Limpballs ?

    Probably not ……………….


  133. RUCerious says:

    Thanks ebbster, but that can’t possibly be what the intent of the troll was, I believe they meant to say arrowgunt.


  134. Loonie says:

    Well, what do you expect. Limbaugh and Rubin are still waiting for their shared brain cell to divide, so they can have one each.


  135. JMOHR says:

    Bin Laden and his Islamofascist group have been clear from the beginning as to what they expected from the trade center attack.
    They wanted to provoke the United States into a rash attack that would bleed the US dry in the Middle East. Lo and Behold, they have been successful. The right wingers and the Limgaughs are the ones preaching the gospel of Bin Laden. We would have looked unbeatable had we stopped with Afghanistan. World opinion was on our side, costs were low and Bin Laden was cornered. Then we did exactly as Bin Laden and his followers wished.


  136. Hawkeye says:

    Rush is living proof that the only real threat to America is from the far right wing. Never trust anyone who lies as much as he and his ilk do.


  137. Fred says:

    Talk about pulling facts out of their ass:

    we know this because the Islamofascists are actually campaigning for the election of Democrats. Islamofascists from Ahmadinejad to al-Zawahiri, Oba — Osama bin Laden, whoever, are constantly issuing Democrat talking points.

    How do you know? Oh yeah, you know stuff we don’t know so we have to trust you. Where are these statements made by these Islamofacists? I don’t think I have ever heard one.

    the American Enterprise Institute’s Michael Rubin said Iran “will do what they can to hurt John McCain ahead of the election.”

    And what exactly would that be. Iran has influence in America? Where exactly, what exactly could/would they do that could influence our elections?

    Sounds like they are already making excuse for why they lose so badly in November.


  138. Badger says:

    Where exactly, what exactly could/would they do that could influence our elections?

    How about Al Sadr winning Big in the October Provincial Elections in Iraq….and then voting to ask the US to Leave.

    And why might Al Sadr win Big in October???

    From NPR’s Morning Edition yesterday :

    “There are nearly 3 million internally displaced people in Iraq ,and the government has done little to help them. A new report by Refugees International indicates militias, like the one loyal to Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, are stepping in to help displaced communities. The militias also find this a fertile recruiting field.”


  139. jb says:

    The GOP continues to play into the hands of Bin Laden. They are either stupid or intentionally trying to destroy the USA.


  140. helenahandbasket says:

    Bin Laden ? G.O.P.


  141. helenahandbasket says:

    Meant: Bin Laden L-O-V-E-S G.O.P.


  142. RUCerious says:

    Watch Out! The Mormo-Oligarchists are trying to get a Veep nomination!


  143. gummitch says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    THIS I must make time for – you do indeed make a fiendishly effective tag team; throw in Toasterhead and I inevitably wind up covered in spitballs and pelted with erasers, but it is fun. Thanks.

    The spitballs must be gummitch; I’m strictly an eraser man.

    Erm, entirely possible, although it’s been many years. Paper airplanes, though, paper airplanes I’m still confident about.


  144. DieNowForPeace says:

    …and big fat lying lunatics are campaigning for the Repukes.

    Next,

    Guys, cmon! The Brits are using military power AND law enforcement and so are we.

    Kel-toy, Ya might want to check the numbers. Something like 3% of the total troops in Iraq are British.

    But that’s not important to a tool with propaganda to dispense.


  145. dictatortot says:

    Limbaugh, on the other hand, is working for the PETROfascists.

    Newsprism


  146. shaun says:

    jeez limbaugh is a f**khead!! – someone should tell rush that the islamofacists probably don’t care who wins in november just as long as their bribe money keeps rolling in to stop killing people in baghdad.


  147. Max-1 says:

    .

    Well,

    The Fascist Neocons have their Loyal Christian(R) Cultists…

    .


  148. Neocon says:

    You folks are delusional if you don’t think Iran wants to deal with Obama rather than McCain…


  149. Robt says:

    Can someone ask Rush at his next Islamofascist meeting to ask them why they would be for McCain because republicans are paying them cash tax dollars in Iraq…..


  150. Robt says:

    The Rush Limbaugh Show is the number one radio show listened to by Al Qaida. They need a laugh once in a while too. Terrorism is hell.


  151. opchaos says:

    Darn Rush….he is right again. Many does he know libs or what!



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