It is very easy for a confused young man or woman to find justification in their religious for acts of violence (which is done with Islam and was done for asus a42-w1 silver battery,asus a32-s5 white battery centuries with Christianity). We should not be scared to criticize religion.

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April 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pm Add Karma Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

Hey, when did McCain start posting in here under a pseudonym?

No way, he didn’t dig even a half.

Moron.

No thanks — I’m just getting ready to head out the door. I might be tempted to engage in some dialog if I believed it would be an intelligent exchange. However, your ONE bit of “proof” that ISNA is an extremist Wahhabist organization comes from a very biased wingnut site — hardly convincing.

I will throw out a couple of things before I head out. One — progressives don’t have anything against religion. We don’t even really have anything against religious fanaticism. Where we get a bit testy is when religious fanatics attempt to tell everyone else how to run their lives — and this goes for fanatic Muslims, fanatic Jews, and fanatic Christians.

Two — just because we agree with ISNA that conflating “Islam” and “terrorists” merely catapults propaganda at the expense of decent people who don’t deserve it doesn’t mean that we embrace everything every member of ISNA believes in.

Three — ISNA is a group made up of all Muslims, which can be a rather diverse group. Yes, this diversity includes some Wahhabists, but they have hardly “taken over” the group, and your claim that Wahhabists have taken control of 80% of the mosques in this country is pure fiction.

Four — Wahhabism is a very strict orthodox interpretation of Muslim law, which has more to do with the living of daily life than terrorism. Some terrorists are Wahhabists (and some are not) — but not all Wahhabists are terrorists.

And five — since you have taken us on this Kevin Bacon tour through these degrees of separation (Islam = ISNA = Wahhabism = terrorism = Saudi Arabia), why are you not advocating we should be bombing Saudi Arabia? Or haven’t your GOP talking heads issued that talking point yet?

OK — gotta go. Later, everyone.

But it’s impotant not to conflate Islam itself with Islamic terrorists.

And it’s important not to conflate Islamic terrorists with the people we are fighting in Iraq. Iraq’s problems are caused by numerous groups fighting for control of Iraq, the smallest of which is “al Qaeda in Iraq.” These diverse and disparate groups are all IRAQIS (they are also Muslim, but they are fighting in the name of control of Iraq, not in the name of a distorted view of Islam).

But the existence of Islamic extermists/terrorists is real and it’s silly to pretend otherwise.

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Geez, toasterhead — whatever you’ve said or done has caused this guy to turn into a raving loony. Who knew that simple logic would pack such a punch?

One more dose and he will probably implode completely.

April 21st, 2008 at 4:02 pm

No you don’t, because I’m not justifying terror attacks. But that’s not stopped you from claiming falsely that I do.

Which is fine by me. When fascists like you hate me, it means I’m doing something right.

April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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No, Trajan. I’d rather stick to the thread topic, not some six degrees of separation bullshit.

1. You claim that this is a global War of Terror. Is this against all terrorists in the world regardless of religion? He will look like a fool if he says yes. If he says no, then ask him to define who those terrorists are.

2. Do you believe that this is a war against Islamic terrorists only? Which organizations associated with Islamic terrorism and which countries do you include in the list of enemies against whom we are at war? (Further narrow it so that we exclude Syria, Iran, the Sudan situation. Are we at war with Hamas?)

3. Are we at war with Pakistan? If not, then why have we not attacked AQ there?

4. Is the United States saying that any Shiite or Sunni group opposing the US occupation is a terrorist organization seeking to attack the United States and destroy it as a Nation? (Sadr as an example) By the time that we eliminate those factions fighting for control of Iraq, is it not true that less than 5% of the fighting forces are AQ? Does that not account for about 1000 personnel?

5. Are you stating that we are in a state of war with Iran? Are you stating that Iran is seeking to destroy the United States of America and its way of life?

April 21st, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Christian and Jewish extremists don’t need to strap bombs to themselves or drive car bombs into buildings in order to terrorize populations. They have some very well-funded armed forces who can do this for them.

I guess it’s all about how you think about things, John McSame.

As a Christian, I have the following comments:

1) I have never heard any presidential candidate, elected official, or mainstream media outlet refer to these criminals as “Christian extremists”.

2) I do not recognize anyone who commits such un-Christianlike behavior to be a Christian.

3) If anyone conflated Christianity with these violent acts by referring to the perpetrators as Christian extremists, I would be very offended (as would most Christians). Most Christians are decent people just trying to live the way God wants them to and don’t deserve to be conflated with bombers and terrorists.

So if the term “Christian extremist” to describe a criminal who claims his criminal act is justified as part of his religion is beyond the pale for everyone, why is “Muslim extremist” or “Islamic extremist” acceptable?

I can understand why ISNA wants these criminals to be treated as criminals without tarring the billion-plus Muslims of the world with the same brush. Unfortunately, McCain sees that the only way Bush got re-elected in 2004 was by trotting out wedge issues about gays and flag-burning, and by ramping up the fear against scary brown people. He thinks that’s going to play again.

How about his Nikita Kruschev impersonation?

What in the hell is McCain doing in that picture???

He is wishing everyone a happy and joyful New Year.